Epson - Home Cinema 5050UB (V11H930020)

Honestly a room this nice you might want to just hire an integrator. It’s more expensive but it will be done right. The other option is to set up a video call with audio advice or dream media and show them the room and have them give you options. If you’re hands on and somewhat tech savvy it’s not hard to diy especially if the wires are already run Edit on second glance it doesn’t look like there’s runs for Atmos speakers or even surrounds. I guess the better question is what is your budget and what are you looking for? Edit 2: I read some of your other replies The cheapest projector I would reccomend is an Epson 5050ub. It’s 4k but with pixel shifting. It’s decent but you can do much better and it will run you about 2-3k. You can definitely go cheaper but you’re better off asking in r/projectors than here. Most of us are snobs about our image quality here. The next step up gives you real 4k wnd HDR and much better image quality. The Epson LS1200 is the most affordable of these at 4 grand. The new Sony projectors and JVC are fantastic if you can spend more

I run a 5050ub at 135” in my living room. I game, watch movies, YouTube, anything and everything. I’ll likely never use a tv for my primary screen again.

Plenty of options on a projector, and the Valerion is well reviewed. No way to know how bad the laser speckle may be and if it bothers you or anyone in your family. Rainbow Effect (RBE) is another thing nobody knows about until they see it themselves. I am RBE sensitive, but it typically doesn't bug me much and I get used to it at a point I don't complain except very rarely. A safer model may be something like the Epson 5050UB, which is larger and has a lot more lens it is working with. Hard to call that out as 'better' overall, but definitely won't have laser speckle or RBE issues.

Either the 5050UB or the BenQ X500i. If you can find a Valerion, it may do a really good job as well. The contrast is going to be okay at best with the BenQ or a model like the Epson 3800.

You will be very underwhelmed with the lifestyle options when coming from a solid home theater designed model. DLP may match the contrast of your old 8350, but the most comparable model to the 8350 today would be the Epson 4010. Better is their 5050UB, or LS11000/LS12000 series of projectors. Those are the direct upgrades to the 8350. The lack of zoom and lens shift means you are basically using keystone correction and digital zoom to make the image fit your screen. This loses resolution as well as light output when in use. Always. And should be avoided. It is still a personal decision, but I wouldn't expect you to feel like it is an upgrade in the least. But, you may be happy to live with it so you can put the projector where you want it.

In my opinion, your throw distance is a massive issue. You've locked in some variables which will increase your cost. For a 130" screen from 19.6 feet, this is the list of projectors which can do it... [https://www.projectorcentral.com/projectors.cfm?g=2&ar=16%3A9&t=6&exp4=1&td=19.6&is=130&oop=1&sort=%24#list](https://www.projectorcentral.com/projectors.cfm?g=2&ar=16%3A9&t=6&exp4=1&td=19.6&is=130&oop=1&sort=%24#list) The Epson 5050UB probably is the best deal overall. A really good image with good black levels and very well respected. It is a LARGE projector, and has been a top favorite for several years now. That said, it uses traditional lamps, which will be tough to get in the EU in upcoming years. There are a lot of lifestyle projectors which have been giving very good image quality and have had really strong reviews, but they rarely have a zoom lens and rarely have a long enough throw distance to hit a 130" diagonal from such a long distance. This video covers some of them... [https://youtu.be/ClIboELoz74?si=nopTpMVdGZ-a0ZM2](https://youtu.be/ClIboELoz74?si=nopTpMVdGZ-a0ZM2) Models like the very well reviewed Hisense C2 are strong options, but need between about 8-14 feet for a 130" screen diagonal... [https://www.projectorcentral.com/Hisense-C2\_Ultra-projection-calculator-pro.htm](https://www.projectorcentral.com/Hisense-C2_Ultra-projection-calculator-pro.htm)

Whats the budget? I have had good luck with Epson, BenQ and JVC Projectors! I currently run an epson ub5050 in my space.

I actually think the 5050 has better contrast. The LS is brighter for longer, and a little sharper. 5050 is tough to beat without spending a lot. If you had a lesser projector I’d be right there with you

The contrast of the 12000 and 6050 are very close with edge going to 6050.  The 12000 is sharper with better hdr handling, laser light source, and you can change brightness in small steps with it being silent at 80%.  There is a new qb1000 which costs a lot more and I haven’t seen yet

I’ve got 3 boys, 5,3,and 2, and I love them but nothing is safe from them to be honest. I’ve got the Epson 5050ub in the basement theater, it’s completely light controlled, and it’s an awesome projector if you’ve got the space for a long throw projector and you can adequately control the light. In my old house we used remote controlled blackout shades on the windows because the room had 3 large windows, and that did the trick. They were $75 each from Amazon and surprisingly it was one of the things that helped sell the house. In our main den though we have a 75 inch tv mounted above the fireplace, way too high for them to reach unless they throw something. A projector isn’t a great solution for your main family room.

I honestly think you’d be delighted with the LS12000 from Epson.  The QB1000 is slightly better, but without having them side by side you wouldn’t be able to tell. Hell my jaw drops whenever I turn on my Epson 5050ub.

I got a used 5050ub on eBay last week. Fairly happy and the lens shift / zoom is amazing but not blown away with the image.…..perhaps simply because I’ve gone from 80” on a 4K optoma to 120”.

I got a used Epson 5050ub and it's fantastic. You can probably buy it at around $1,100-$1,300. Found it on Offer up/Marketplace.

Love my Epson

I was considering the LS12000 and ended up going with the 5050UB. I decided it was worth waiting to see what other updates come down the road with laser projectors. The 5050UB is excellent. I've been completely blown away by it on a 120" screen. 

no frame by frame tone mapping, right? Also, man they are pushing higher in price than I was expecting... 5050UB for $3K is / was such a good deal. Not sure about this for 2x the price.

I have a Epson 5050UB https://youtube.com/shorts/pmT7KNF0LHo?si=EG2Uquq3wZ5rI59k Thats what it looks like on just a plain wall. No screen at the time I made the video.

Last year, I set up a projector in my basement using a 110 inch screen. I first tried the BenQ 3560 and it was OK for its price, but I wanted better. So I went ahead and picked up the BenQ 4550i. While it was brighter then the 3560 and colors were a little better, the contrast was better then the 3560 but still meh. So, I then picked up the epson 5050ub because of all the fantastic reviews. Well, the Epson 5050ub crushed the other 2 projectors in CONTRAST. While, even the BenQ 4550i looked like mud in space scenes and any dark scene. The epson is brighter in HDR, and the black floor as well as blacks are just so much better. Maybe the DL] with 4k pixel shift was a little sharper and the 4550i had slightly better color in HDR BUT it doesnt matter because the epaon 5050ub 3lcd was much better in where it really counts. I would get a 5050ub if you can snag one for cheap. I sent all the other projectors back and I kept the epson.

The smart money is on the Epson 5050. I love mine and I’m pretty sure I’m not getting the best picture from it yet

I’ve had the 5050 for 5 years now. It’s an absolute beast. Don’t feel the need to upgrade any time soon. Excited to hear your feedback comparing that two.

For your application, I would recommend an ALR screen so that you have a better picture contrast under different lighting conditions. Get a motorised retractable screen so that the screen is not down when not in use. That will protect it from accidental damage. Look at the Elite CineGrey, a motorized 106” is just under $1300 US on Amazon. Don’t use a short throw projector set up. Short-throw setups usually assume the projector is sitting on a console under and in front of the screen. Get a standard throw Epson like the UB5050 or a 3800 if you’d like something even more budget friendly. Ceiling mount the projector overhead so that the projector is also protected from damage.

I looked at the LS11000 for a while then found an Epson Cinema 5050 used at a great price. Can’t recommend it enough and the price delta upgraded my subs.

Possibly. It depends if you have the money to drop. I was looking at them and ended up buying a great condition Epson Cinema 5050UB as an upgrade. I’m thrilled with the performance bump over my old projector and kept over $8500 in my packet. That $8500 has turned into sub and atmos upgrades. I still have money left over and my theatre experience is 100% changed for the better.

I have a 5050ub and also can't help the itch for an upgrade. It's obviously the best in its class and price point. But what in your guys opinion would be a worthy upgrade that's the next step up from it (without breaking the bank) I was thinking possibly a JVC NP5 but when I auditioned one I wasn't that impressed and thought my 5050ub looked as good if not better. I think I could rest peacefully if I knew I had a native 4k projector. If Epson had a native 4k projector at the 5050ub or ls12000 I would be done with upgrade itch. I love the 5050ub color and brightness is fine. My goal is sharpness I'm used to from my oled tv or as close as possible.

The 5050UB is 1920x1080 native, 3840x1080 shifted. The 665ES is 3840x2160 native, but is also significantly dimmer at 1800 vs 2600 lumens. It’s also several years older than your 5050UB, so you might want to research how good its HDR reproduction is. It also may be a unit affected by panel degradation.

Either the Epson 5050UB (bulb) or the Epson LS11000 (laser) would be my recommendation. I had a 5050UB for 5 years and it was fantastic. Just upgraded to a QB1000 myself.

I have an Epson 5050UB I purchased in November 2020. Since then I've replaced the bulb once when it got to 3,500 hours. The second bulb (OEM from Epson) is currently at 2,900 hours. Last week it started not turning on. When I power on it shows the logo and within 5 seconds the status and temp light flash, fan spins up to full speed, and motorized lens shuts. According to the manual this means that there is a sensor or fan issue. I tried putting another bulb in it. New from Epson, OEM. Didn't work. I don't want to pay to have it repaired. So now I'm looking for a new projector. I was looking at the Epson LS12000 but for the price and not a lot more it looks like there's a lot of other options. This is my home theater. https://www.avsforum.com/threads/september-2022-home-theater-of-the-month-powered-by-anthem.3256659/ The throw distance is 21' 4" onto a Silver Ticket 158” 2.35:1 Acoustically Transparent WVS Fixed Frame. Room is fully light controlled with no windows. I can go to around $5000 or maybe somewhat more. I'm most concerned with the likes of the JVC and Sony options Lumens being less than that of the Epson. At a 21' 4" max throw distance and Acoustically transparent woven screen with 1.1 gain, and without a anamorphic lens, raw lumens are important for me. Not sure if it's something to really worry about though? Appreciate any help!

I have been using an Epson ex3240 for a few years now to project a 105" screen. Ran across a local guy selling their 5050ube and decided to take the chance. It feels like I'm at a real movie theater now! Size difference between the two is insane... Even optimized my computer with the help of AI to get all the settings perfect with MPC and MadVR. Right now it's sitting on a projector table but will probably ceiling mount and eventually increase the size to a 150" 4k screen, and get a Dolby Atmos setup vs the 5.1 I have now. Either way I'm super happy with the upgrade. Hopefully I can sell the old one for $50 or something, haha! Just wanted to share. Thanks!

I did a ton of research and best bang for buck was the Epson 5050UB. About 1/3 the price used and about 90% of the picture quality of the LS12000.

DLP projectors often overstate their lumen specs and Optoma tends to be especially egregious about this. I’d honestly be surprised if that 4500 lumen Optoma was putting out more than 2000 real ANSI lumens in any mode you’d actually want to watch. I’m also dubious the lamp is the issue. You say it’s acting wonky? What’s wonky? I’ve had several lamp based projectors and, yes, the lamps do go bad but they are fairly easily replaced. All that said: I really DO like DLP especially for outdoor applications. You don’t have to worry about filters or dirt getting into the light path. They are comparably compact and efficient. Lastly, there is such a wide variety of DLP make/models out there that almost everyone can find something to fit their needs. I also really like the idea of solid state. While lamp has a cost advantage we’re at the point where LED and laser projectors are getting reasonably priced and offer a substantial upgrade in terms of longevity and picture quality. The Epson you picked out seems to be a nice model for high brightness applications. But like AV said: these high brightness, business use models tend to have a reputation for pretty mediocre contrast/blacks. That extends to both 3LCD and DLP but a comparable price/performance DLP like the $1300, 1080p BenQ LH730 would probably do a bit better here and be sharper to boot. I run a projector outside on a 120” Elite screens yardmaster. But I prefer to stick with 4K these days. If I’m traveling I take a BenQ TK700STI which is a 3000 lumen (but not really) short throw, lamp based, gaming projector. I love that thing for how compact and convenient it is and how you can throw a big image without needing a lot of space. Built in wifi streaming and Bluetooth audio out in a package that weighs less than 7 lbs. At home my upstairs sometimes outdoor projector is a BenQ X3000i (replaced with the X3100i now in BenQ’s lineup). That projector is even brighter and a lot more colorful and has the benefit of LED so no lamp to fuss with. But at 15lbs and requiring more throw I wouldn’t exactly call it portable. For reference my home theater projector was a BenQ HT4550i, then an Epson 5050UB (temporarily) and I’m now using a BenQ W2720i in that space.

We have a 77 inch Samsung S 95D in our family room for daily viewing(TV shows, sports, news, etc.) However, we do have a dedicated light controlled home theater. 142 inch scope screen with an Epson 6050 UB projector, 7.3.4 Atmos speaker system. This is used primarily for movies and cinematic streaming. For us, the projector is the way to go for viewing movies.

I have a 65" LG Oled and a 106" screen w/an Epson 5050UB. I LOVE the projector and it has a great picture even when there is some ambient light. But as good as the projector picture is, all things being equal I'd pick the LG's picture quality every time, so if I wanted a screen <100" I would go TV; it's just so much more flexible as it excels in any conditions. I'd do a 77" OLED, although I'm in the States and not sure how close to your thousand pound mark you can get.

My thoughts with your budget: The Epson projector would be my choice as well. But this means you will need to get power and a good hdmi cord to the device on your ceiling. I am assuming your room is deep enough to mount the projector far enough back to handle the throw distance needed for your screen size. If the power and cable run are beyond the scope of work you want to deal with, consider getting a short throw projector and put all the equipment and center speaker on a stand under an appropriate screen. I would go with the cheaper Silver Ticket screen. Get a screen size that is appropriate for your seating distance. Some folks like to sit close, but others find it disorienting. If your eyes are 10’ from the screen, my preference would be a 110” screen, but you may be really different. I went to a Best Buy Magnolia room and measured the distance I preferred on their demo screen. As mentioned, I would probably go with the Denon 3800, and otherwise I would look at the 760 to spend less and get just enough to make it all work. Speakers are a really personal choice. I have become a fan of KEF because their speakers have really great dispersion across the room. On the cheaper side, Monoprice, SVS, and PSA have well regarded speakers for the price. I would probably save some money on LCR and surround speakers so I could get two subwoofers. This will let you even out the bass across the room. Accessories: Since you have selected a long throw projector, you will need a much longer HDMI cable, and you will pay more for that. There are different options depending on where your equipment will be located. I put my equipment on the other side of an interior wall to isolate the heat, light, and noise (and make it easier to keep cables tidy). And figure out how much speaker wire you will need once you know where the equipment will go. In addition to your list: You should budget for some acoustic treatment in the room. This will improve sound clarity and make dialog easier to understand. You might want to paint the ceiling black to reduce light reflections. I lined the screen wall with black velvet to improve perceived contrast, and many folks will suggest covering the first few feet of ceiling as well.

Those are both good projectors. The Benq is sharper and the epson has better blacks. Let us know your findings

Used 5050UB, Epson LS11000, Epson LS12000

5050UB all the way.

Epson 5050UB. Can still get on sale for $2,500 before the price increase goes into effect in July https://www.projectorscreen.com/epson-powerlite-home-cinema-5050ub-lcd-projector-with-2600-lumens.html

If you want a shorter throw you will need to look at DLP projectors. I purchased an epson 5050 about 6 months ago and it’s fantastic. If I was unable to make the 5050 throw distance workin my room I was going to get the BenQ 4550. It has a short throw, is brighter than 5050, WCG, lens shift, and uses a LED light source instead of a bulb. Check out the reviews on You Tube. It may meet your needs.

I doubt prices will come down because the Epson 5050 has been $3000 to $2500(sale) forever. The Q series is for $8000 to $30,000 custom integrator market. I do agree it’s hard to beat the 5050 picture quality without spending a fortune 😉

Qi have the 5050 and love it.

A refurbished Epson 5050UB is an excellent option. Retail price for new is $3,000, but you can find refurbished around $2,200. You may also be able to call an independent store or small chain and get a price in the low-mid $2k range. I got a refurb four years ago directly from Epson for $2,100 and am very pleased with it. Rich colors, super low input lag for gaming, no DLP rainbow effect, good blacks, crazy good zoom and lens shift. It’s also an extremely popular model, so there is ample support and knowledge online for calibration and troubleshooting. 

The short answer to your question is to buy an **Epson 5050UB** while it is still on sale for $2500: https://epson.com/For-Home/Projectors/Home-Cinema/Home-Cinema-5050UB/p/V11H930020 The sale is ending very soon, so you should make your decision sooner rather than later. But at ~100", a **TV is a real contender** as well: https://www.bestbuy.com/site/tcl-98-class-q6-series/6579447.p?skuId=6579447 https://www.bestbuy.com/site/tcl-98-class-qm7-series/6580694.p?skuId=6580694 With projection, I personally don't think it is worth it anymore these days unless you're able to fit a 120" screen in your room. Also account for the cost of the screen as well in your budget, not just the projector: https://www.amazon.com/STR-169100-Silver-Ticket-100-Diagonal/dp/B00HZRM9K0/ > Also, what are the advantages of DLP vs laser vs. 3 LCD This question is framed incorrectly. DLP vs 3LCD would be the two main display technologies within projectors in this price range. Laser or lamp is the light source. The display type and the light source type are two different things. There are LCD projectors with lamps or lasers. And there are DLP projectors with lamps or lasers. LCD-based projectors (at least in the way that Epson implements it) has better contrast, colors, and motion than DLP projectors in this price range. They also tend to charge more for what looks like inferior specs on paper but is better picture quality in real world performance. DLP is much easier and cheaper to implement because all the various companies making DLP projectors are just buying off-the-shelf solutions from Texas Instruments. Some DLP projectors are better than others. Some of them even come pretty close in quality to Epson's LCD projectors. But I am yet to see any DLP projector under $5000 that looks better than the Epson 5050UB. The JVC NZ30 comes very close. It produces a sharper image than the Epson. But its contrast, colors, and motion are all still a bit worse. Laser vs lamp deals with the light source. The Epson 5050UB uses a lamp which get a bit dimmer over time and needs to be replaced every 3000 hours. The replacement lamps are not that expensive though: https://www.myprojectorlamps.com/projector-bulbs/Epson/ELPLP89.html With laser projectors, they have a much longer life span. 20,000 hours instead of 3,000 hours. But once the laser dies, there's no way to service it. You're chucking the whole projector in the trash at that point. You can't just swap out a $100 lamp.

People get mad at me and accuse me of being elitist when I tell them that the floor these days is an Epson 5050UB. $3000 new or $2400 for refurb: https://www.bestbuy.com/site/epson-home-cinema-5050ub/6344895.p?skuId=6344895 https://www.amazon.com/Epson-Projector-Advanced-Balanced-Brightness/dp/B0857B1DGC The issue is that I'm not being elitist. I just can't in good conscience tell them that what they want to do is possible for the price they want to do it. You've already experienced first hand want $1000 gets you in projection. Do you really think that was worth spending $1000 on? There's plenty if better options that cost more than the Epson 5050UB. And if that's your price range, we can discuss those. But I have an extremely difficult time recommending the options that cost less than that. All the good projector makers have pretty much decided they no longer want to make competitive budget projectors, including Epson. That's why this model hasn't been refreshed since 2019. So we are left with a bunch of cheap DLP projectors that recycle the same two Texas Instruments chips and cannot match a 5 year old Epson in color accuracy or contrast. If you desperately need to spend less than the Epson 5050UB and are willing to give up some contrast, the Epson 3800 is not terrible for the price. It's certainly better than the alternatives in its price range: https://www.bestbuy.com/site/epson-home-cinema-3800/6366530.p?skuId=6366530 But on the whole, if you can reach a bit further and afford the open box 5050UB instead, that's the much better route to go.

I personally think that the middle 80% of projector buyers should get an Epson 5050UB: https://www.bestbuy.com/site/epson-home-cinema-5050ub-4k-pro-uhd-3-chip-hdr-projector-white/6344895.p?skuId=6344895 Models that are cheaper than this make pretty significant compromises that are not worth the few hundred dollars you save IMO. And models above this will require spending several thousand more for relatively minor improvements. > I don’t need the highest quality or have a few grand to drop You need to drastically readjust your expectations for how much decent projection costs. The $100-200 Chinese projectors that have flooded Amazon over the past couple years has completely broken people's brains for how much they think projectors cost. They've never seen how these super cheap projectors actually look in person, but now they have all these opinions about pricing on something they've never even seen. > and won’t break the bank. This clarifies absolutely nothing. But my advice is if you're not willing to spend at least $1500 or buy used, then don't bother with a projector. You're not going to get the results you want anyway. You're just going to end up wasting several hundred dollars.

Not well versed in this stuff but I got the Epson 5050 and didn't like it, switched to NP5 and liked it a lot more. Both a model below the ones you're looking at.

Building a theater in the house we just bought and needed to decide on a a projector. I Read all over that the Epson 5050ub is the best projector under $3000, and I was able to find one for $1700 with only 100 hours on it. Only an hour after I bought that I found a BenQ HT3550 for $300 with only 500 hours on it. I figured if I keep the epson I can sell the benq for at least what I paid. With the $1400 in savings I could budget a ton more to audio so I’m hoping the benq is good enough. Time to do some testing!

So I watched an animated spider man show and severance yesterday with both of them. I do not have a screen yet so I’m stuck watching these on a beige wall. Biggest differences is the epson is so much more viewable with the ambient light. I had several lights on in my room and I could see the image perfectly fine. The benq isn’t really bright enough to do that and looks really washed out with the lights on. Secondly, the lens shift on the epson is insanely good. I can move the image like entire feet instead of inches. When it comes to lights off is when it gets a lot closer. Without a proper screen it’s hard to say if the epson is $1400 better. They both look very good to me in dark viewing. I also need to look up the best settings for them so I’ll have to do another round of testing.

Id go for a Lasertv —> ust like formovie Theater premium BUT prefer Hisense px 3 pro, Epson EpiqVision Ultra LS800 Id go for one of them. Personaly im using actually using epson 5050ub in living room 120“ and laserTv (formovie theater) in mencave 120“

Skip the 3800. It has well known soft focus issues in its corners. I am DLP rainbow sensitive, so I can offer no advice on the BenQ model. 2k budget is pretty much buy a refurbished Epson 5050 and call it a day.

Either get the glasses and see or research that specific projector. I had 3D with the Panasonic AE8000 and had fun with it but was annoyed at how dim it was. I got the Epson 5050 recently and it was a huge upgrade and I love it. Big tech difference between my 2 projectors but went from what you fear to what I think you want. Don’t know your projector tho. Good luck. Also, you can get 3D blurays from Amazon uk and Germany for a fraction of the cost of the us site even with shipping, exchange rates and vat if you order a few of them.

I have owned and used both. At the end of the day the specs mean absolutely nothing to me. What matters is the image I am looking at and again, I owned the 5030,5040,5050 (and the LS11000 for a couple of days) and yes, the JMGO outperforms them without question. If you can get a chance to see both I suggest you try cause you will be blown away. https://preview.redd.it/7rlbdueas6ze1.jpeg?width=5712&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a4eb60122f39d00e2208c72bbf7148ceee195fe8

Yep on a high end Epson 4K HDR LCD projector at 120 inches Looks so damn good.