Valerion - VisionMaster Max

Ignore those deluded Valerion fans. Tbf if you only consume non subtitle dark content then maybe Valerion ebl will be the better choice for you. Assuming you're not sensitive to rbe, under $3k the best is dangbei s7 ultra max, then it's a tossed up between xgimi horizon 20 max and nebula x1. For ust, nexigo ap mk2 is better than valerion and has no rbe / speckle issue too.

Valerion Max yes for contrast due to iris but not the pro2, xgimi 20 max is like 50% brighter along with same contrast. Also, has h+v lens shift.

I have the valerion visionmaster max and I highly recommend it and with a 100 dollar deposit, you can get it for only 4000 before novenmber 2nd. only downside is there is a waitlist, so probably a long shipping wait.

Nexigo Aurora Pro Mk II + an ALR screen (Nothing projector makes a seamless 132 inch if that fits on the wall, or a 120). A side benefit is that you wouldn't have to rip out the ceiling lights and fans since the projector would be on the floor in front of the screen. Without building a fake wall in front of the window you can't have an in-wall center anyway so you don't need something like a perforated screen. If you can't fit bigger than 120 (or less) I'd concur with ProjectionHead (aka Brian from Projectorscreen) that a floor-rising motorized ALR screen that comes up over the window would let you keep this room way more general use and then have a fantastic home cinema time anyway. You'd need blackout curtains over the window(s) instead of actually doing work to seal them. Alternatively if you prefer longer throw, a Valerion Pro 2 or Max, with the appropriate fresnel based ALR screen they sell. There are somewhat better projectors around the $5 grand mark but you're not buying just half the solution, you need to factor in the screen which can run $1-2 grand (or vastly more than that, you want a Screen Innovations Black Diamond in their Zero G motorized form it's more like five figures). But sure, you could go with a white screen and black everything but imo you absolutely don't need to. The clincher in my view is the available wall real estate you have to work with. If you could fit a 150, 175 or some other honking huge screen then a long throw and black walls would be the way to go. If you're limited to sub-150 anyway, why not UST?

Since I really like UST projectors I'd have said "Nexigo Aurora Pro MK II" - $3 grand + $1 grand for an UST specific ALR screen, but with the ceiling mount and screen already there I guess that's out. Although not necessarily, still; it's still $4 grand and you could just dismount that screen and remove the ceiling mount. For long throw the Valerion projectors are hard to look past at this price point, they're embarrassing more established brands right now. However, I'd still replace the screen with Valerion's long throw Fresnel ALR screen. Also, what is that, a screen for mice? 100 inches in that space? Get a 150 and drop it low. This screen is mounted too high anyway.

The Valerion Max has a mode where they increase the speed of the color shifts. According to Chris Majestic that caused his projector to emit a buzzing noise but it also baslically eliminated RBE. But the Max is also quite expensive. But still a really cool projector, not least because you can put an anamorphic lens on it and project in 21:9 if you so wish. I'd wish... if I were in the market. Which I'm not right this second.

The QB1000 is ludicrously overpriced for what it is, an LS12000 with tweaked dynamic contrast and slightly more light. Also, the Valerion Max makes it look bad, especially at thousands less in purchasing cost.

Valerion Visionmaster Pro 2 visits a 320 inch cinema: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTPAM13Lon0 - so of course it depends on what level of lumens you really want, but I wonder just how much a Valerion Visionmaster Max could do. Certainly it would shit on the likes of an Epson QB1000 which is just a minimally uprated LS12000. The Max claims 3500 lumens, and the 3000 the Pro 2 has looked like that on 300+ inches. Even a JVC only hits 2000 or 2300 lumens. Here's Youthman shining the Pro 2 at a wall at 300: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhVqxINzqxs So yeah, obviously I'm just spitballing here. I don't know what you deem acceptable either. But the Max with an anamorphic lens (which is in the works, I believe - the Max has interchangeable lenses) on a 180 inch 21:9... I can't imagine that would disappoint. The Max also has the Iris to further get black level and contrast, it does something like 25000:1 which a big JVC will obviously beat... but not by as much as one might imagine, I believe. But, good luck figuring out which way to go. But it sounds kind of silly to say, but to me the Valerion Max has kind of rendered most other consumer long throws irrelevant. I have an Epson UST, and nothing Epson has in the sub-$10 grand range makes any sense vs the Max. JVC's D-ILA models, sure, you give up brightness but gain contrast and absolute black level, and lower brightness is an issue if you want to go large.

You'd probably be better off with a 5050ub even though it's bulb fed. It has considerably better black levels. They're cheaper too (well.. same ballpark). Or, you could look into the Valerion projectors, the Pro 2 model almost certainly gives you a better image in just about every way. Or the Max, better yet. Since you're talking about in-wall speakers, UST projectors are out (can't combine UST ALR screen with perforations) otherwise one of those would have been a choice, at 120 inches; a $2000-ish Nexigo Aurora Pro provides a better image and better dark room viewing than the LS11000 (haven't seen it with my own eyes, have seen a comparo online by The Hook Up). Epson projectors also all have loud fans; I'm an Epson owner myself. I have to run mine on 70% power to shut the fan up otherwise it sounds like a vacuum cleaner.

That's your call, obviously, pick what you think is the best choice for you. Personally if I could have one handed to me for free, the Valerion Max or a QB1000 I'd pick the Valerion 11 times out of 10 at this point. The QB1000 is an LS12000 with slightly better dynamic hdr processing - and I do better dynamic HDR processing with madVR filters already - and they're very similar. Fine projectors (like I said, I have an Epson, not like I dislike the brand or anything) but imo value for money with the QB1000 is absolutely not there. You're just a hair's breadth away from JVC's entry level.

Image quality wise, they're outstanding especially the Pro 2 and the Max. Price-wise they've gone up a bit. Quality wise... that's where it may start to get lackluster, they're still Chinese and AWOL which is the sister company (or some such) to Valerion hasn't exactly covered themselves in glory these past few years in that department. Mind you this is just me speculating, don't really have any data to back it up, for all I know they're great at that too. I somewhat doubt it. But the top models can go toe to toe with pricier models on image quality. If you do go that route, I would personally also cough up the dough for Valerion's fresnel based ALR screen for them.

Not true "all DLP projectors have it" Seen any IMAX or Dolby movies lately? No RBE there. They use DLP. Rainbow effect is caused by single chip DLP (one chip for all colors) and the use of a Color wheel to split the light into RGB, or in Valarion's case an RGB laser that modulates between the 3 primary colors. The color wheel is the worst, and RGB laser light tends to be better, but still shows up in very dark scenes with super bright highlights, during fast motion. Now not all Epson projectors have no RBE, but what are you looking for if you don't want that is 3 Chip products. The home cinema Epson uses 3LCD panels. JVC projectors use D-Ila panels (again 3, 1 dedicated to each color) All theater projectors and high end home models will use DLP chips but have 3, 1 for each color and do not have any issues with RBE. DLP isn't the problem. That being said, I own an Epson 3800, BenQ tk850, Optima HD27, JVC-Nz700, and the Valiaron Pro2 and MAX (not yet released) I currently have been using the Pro2 for everything and absolutely love it. Yes it's worth it and best in its class.

Yeah I don't have my MAX yet. but reviews have been very good on its RBE reduction. Black levels are really good on the Pro2 but supposed to be also even better with teh MAX. JVC is a great projector but its also a lot louder and kind of needs to be put in a doghouse. ( box enclosures ) But at this point its just not worth the Money when I can get almost as good for a 1/3 the price. ( even cheaper for me because I got it for the Kickstarter price of $2k)

We have a 65 inch oiled in the living room. I got a Valerion vision master max and a 150 inch screen in the loft about 2 months ago. I have not been to the living room in 2 months. 😂

Another quality video from Rob. I’ll never be able to afford a JVC or Sony but was curious how the Valerion would compare. I backed the Valerion Max at the Kickstarter price of $2200 so if it’s just a little better than the Pro 2 I will be VERY happy. It’s going to have a better lens and some other upgrades so should be great for the price I got it at.

I pledged for the Valerion Max because of the Kickstarter pricing, as an early adopter I’m all in for around $2K. If I had your budget I’d probably go for the LS12000. Proven performer, solid company with worldwide support, parts. Epson is in the holy trinity of HT projector manufacturers for good reasons.

Valerion will offer great 4k/60hz gaming experience with good colors and contrast. But if you want to get 4k/120hz then it's either Epson or JVC/Sony and those will be above 4-5k if new and slightly lower if used. I would probably get Valerion unless you 100% need 120hz and have spare cash to burn.

One thing many people miss is the terrible uniformity of large TV's including OLED's but LCD based models are even worse. If you have ever noticed dirty screen effect of vertical banding a 98" TCL will look like a nightmare, if you don't notice those then it could be a n option if you want a lot of pure brightness and above 60hz refresh rate at 4k. On projector side something like Valerion visionmaster max or a JCV will give you the best picture quality without the issues of large TV's, the only real downside will be significantly lower max brightness and theoretically lower contrast but in real life it will look almost as good or even better.

You do realize that AVS forums is full of people that that have the Pro 2 and are not paid "advertisers". There are multiple people that have both the Pro 2 and the C2. You could have asked them directly for a comparison. In any case the Valerion with the black levels and tone mapping comes out ahead. The C2 and C3 the differences are not that big. A lot of people are noticing this

The C2 is fine projector. My point is that your gripe could have been alleviated by asking a forum full of people with the projector which are not "paid advertisers" Valerians secret sauce is the software which to this point has not been matched.

Please it's better than both those. It has better tone mapping and the EBL function Hisense has yet to counter with anything as effective clearly not in those two projectors

They provide the base. The software which is the real secret sauce is done by Valerian ie: Tonemapping and EBL. You do know that right? That is the difference and it's big.

Furthermore, you realize that the same OLED panels are used by different manufactures. It DOES not mean that then all the OLED's are the same. The difference again is the software. By the way Valerion is a subsidiary of Awol not Hisense

The Max will absolutely close the gap between NZ and Epson. Some may in fact prefer it. It's amazing how much that little box punches above it's weight. Paying just under 2k for the Max at the Kick starter price has to be one of the best tech deals of recent times

That is mainly for People overseas. I got mine the first week of January. I'm part of that group and read the threads daily. The Max is supposedly going to hit with the Iris 30k -40k in contrast not native but it will absolutely close the gap and compete with projectors it has no business competing with

And there's more people without problems. Furthermore, just about every projection company has had those issues but I noticed there's a group of people that just don't seem to like this projector and are always only saying the negative things about this product.

I pulled the trigger after all of the positive reviews on youtube. The max is going to be even better!

I am likely going with the Valerion Max. I see not reason to not have Dolby Vision built into the projector. I am concerned about Laser speckle though. I got a refund for this POS as well.

Just because you said that you actually want to play video games I can just recommend the Valerion vision master MAX. If it were just for movies then the JVC should be better. Also that epson that you put in your Post is trash.

I currently have the 5050ub and am a backer for the Valerion VisionMaster Max. Assuming no major issues with rainbow effect or speckle, this projector should beat out these Epson's. Color volume is greater, tone mapping is better, it's brighter, and black levels are comparable. And it's cheaper.

If you're already used to the DLP look the Max could be a fine option. There will be some rainbow effect but if you're not noticing it on the HT1075 then chances are you won't see it on the Max. In terms of overall picture quality they will probably trade blows depending on the scene. The Max should be a bit brighter and punchier with the wider gamut in bright scenes but there will probably be some cases where the LS12000 wins with the higher dark intrascene contrast. HDR tonemapping seems to be much better on the Valerion and the only way the LS12000 will compete here is with something like a lumagen or madvr. Laser speckle is also a consideration. The Valerion projectors like most 3 laser models are prone to it especially if using a higher gain screen. The LS12000 can use just about any screen without any speckle. If your room is untreated or a light color the LS12000 would be able to use ALR screens without worrying about laser speckle while the Max may have issues with some screens. For gaming DLP has much better motion resolution in my experience compared to other projection technologies, but the LS12000 does support 4k 120hz output so it may be somewhat close. The Max does support 1080p 240hz which the LS12000 does not for fast paced games, but I don't think the PS5 will output that so you'd be limited to 1080p 120hz.

My first thought too. The Hook Up has a comparison video including many of these exciting new lifestyle projectors that have some impressive ways of boosting contrast while remaining quite bright. Valerion came in #1 and #2. You'll need to decide if Max features like Iris are worth the price difference (it is a stunner of a projector, but I got mine at Kickstarter price...).

Mine has arrived and it is glorious!

Be sure to check the throw distance with those projector options, they're all longer throw than the UHD50X. I looked at the LS12000 to replace my UHD50X and it would not have worked because of the throw distance required. I ended up with the Valeron VisionMaster (Pro2 soon to be Max) and it was a huge upgrade from the UHD50X. Otherwise check projector central for reviews, which includes input lag. Random thought about the front speakers, the towers are pretty high, I'm guessing the tweeters are 5 feet high? Maybe they could be turned upside down so the tweeter is closer to ear level when seated. Also there might be crazy reflections off the cabinets on the sides from the L and R, packing that area with acoustic treatment may make it sound a bit better.

https://preview.redd.it/2vpjw8abhprf1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bb66bde4cf2cf77e457acc9ec3f4cd0a585b024e Can’t go wrong with the Valerion, I got the stream master 2 a few weeks back, it was on sale! But the gaming experience is by far one of the best!

They are excellent, there is no real competition in terms of quality/price ratio except maybe the Nebula X1. However they are not perfect: they’re subject to speckle and RBE. You’ll need a matte white screen  for the speckle. If you want to avoid RBE there is only Epson, all DLP projectors have it.

That’s gonna be so sweet. I’d say keep the screen, grab a nicer projector, and enjoy the big screen experience. The Valerion is considered a steal right now, but if you wanna keep the price sub 1000, the benq HT2060 does NOT disappoint. Obviously no projector is going to have the black levels of an OLED, but imo the much larger theatrical screen of a projector makes it so worth it. You have the space, you’re planning on controlling the light with black paint anyway, you might as well make the most of that space and keep the projector setup.

If you don’t need extra brightness, Valerion is a better option than Nexigo. Just be aware you may have to choose the screen carefully for RGB laser projectors. But if your room has all-white ceilings, the black level may not differ too much. The extra brightness, almost doubled, could give you a better HDR/DV experience. XGIMI is great if you need more flexible position with its optical zoom and lens shift.

The Valerion would be my pick just now but I tend to watch dark content at night.

I got the valerion when it was still on kickstarter, best thing ever! Took forever to come tho. It was such a difference from my old projector (benq)

The internal speakers are surprisingly good. We used them for a hot minute before placing it in our theater room. It worked for sure, and was very comfortable for watching content, but nowhere comparable to a proper audio setup of course. A good soundbar would likely provide a “better” sound, but then you need to figure out placement and running a cable to it. I wouldn’t feel the need to rush into buying an audio solution right away after getting your projector if you go with a Valerion. If you *did* spend the money on a sound solution, I’d easily invest in a receiver and proper speakers over a soundbar. Look for used deals, lots of people unload old speakers for cheap, and buy a good refurbished denon or marrantz receiver.

I think its iffy to be honest. I love my projector, but there are definitely some drawbacks. Ambient light and placement are the real challenges you'll be navigating. Can you darken your room? If not, go TV. What's the space you'll be using it like? Have a dedicated setup or will you need to work around existing furniture? If you use a screen on a tripod, you'll inevitably be dealing with some issues getting the projector square with the screen. If you're fine using a lifestyle projector and throwing it on a blank wall, it's easier but you will sacrifice some clarity and color (with a pro of GREAT movability). If you want a mounted screen (ceiling or wall) then you'll likely need to think through wall or ceiling mounting the projector too. I love the lifestyle projectors as I can easily camp out with movies, take it to a friends for "the big game", or point it at the ceiling and play games from bed while laying on my back. Budget friendly options would be Highsense C2 Ultra, a lower budget Valerion, or a Nexigo Trivision Ultra. Im not an expert on UST options, but I'm sure someone can chime in with a few options. Pros for a TV: It's easy and you wont have to worry about light in the room. Cons: TV is now the focal point in the room. One thing to consider on "movie night", how are you about sound?

The Valerion or Hisense C2 may be the best option for you. Great native and dynamic contrast with awesome brightness and colors. Also with great gaming input lag.

I just got it and playing PS5. Looks great with next to no lag. Coming from an Epson 3800. The valerion is fantastic.

Valerion does not have VRR. LS12000 has 5000:1 native contrast (25k:1 dynamic) vs the Valerion 2000:1 native (10k:1 dynamic). Epson won't have RBE for people who are sensitive to it. Valerion is a great value, but there are still benefits Epson can offer.

The best projector under that budget is the Valerion which will blow those two out of the water.

I m impressed by the pcture quality of it versus the price i paid for. EBL is a hit or miss , most of my content works great with it but some show color shifting. Even with it off, the black are pretty good. Im coming from a jvc x30 so older and 1080p, blacks are better than it. However cannot compare to newer jvc unit. I m impressed by the color mapping, brightness ,contrast and sharpness, its super sharp even if its currently keystoned to hell while i m waiting for some brackets. My ps5 pro,pc,4k and br player look amazing. Dv and HDR seem as good as my tv (tcl 625 miniled which had a good implementation of it). No issue either with streaming app on google tv. Had to change my 20' hdmi cable though,sound was cutting and no issue with the new cable rated at 48gbps. Also and the most important its be wife approved, she says it looks like a huge tv due to the color/brightness/sharpness i think, she was initially very doubtful about why i backed this or even wanted to change the projector. For the price its a no brainer however i m pretty sure the ls12000 is bit better in some aspects. https://preview.redd.it/bwgi02npm6je1.jpeg?width=4000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6b36657be043c802c5026b3827032278bc24ae8b I

I just LOVE how the Valerion punches so far above it's weight. Such a great projector at a pretty damn good pricepoint IMO.

I don’t have any experience with the Hisense so I can only speak about the Valerion. It’s super bright and the colors pop, which I think is pretty common with DLPs. The black levels are pretty damn good. It’s not the inky blacks that my LG OLED produces but honestly it’s good enough for me and the huge image it produces more than makes up for it. I’m using it in a room that is not light controlled and my setup is far from optimal but it looks fantastic. It runs super quiet and the build quality and design is impressive. I feel like if Apple made a projector it would be something like this (just in terms of material and attention to detail). No major downsides so far. 3D has been okay, nothing mind blowing. Lack of vertical lens shift isn’t great but I knew that going in. Even though it has built-in Google OS, I feel like my ONN dongle works better for consuming content. Overall I’m really happy with the purchase. Only slight regret is that maybe I should have waited for the Max but I’m too impatient for that.

Any of these not have RBE? I have the Valerion and the RBE is very pronounced. I am sensitive to it and for me it is almost un-watchable.

I have the Valerion Pro 2.

The LS12000 has over 2x the native contrast of the Valerion. It also has no rainbow effect while the Valerion has quite a bit. That’s 2 big things the LS12000 has over the Valerion off the top of my head.