Valerion - VisionMaster Max

That would work for the pro2 or the max, but not the plus or plus2. here is a chart that shows all the throw distances for each projector: [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UrFmVceDFaevY77I4FgQ9VtDtrG1uoCr/view](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UrFmVceDFaevY77I4FgQ9VtDtrG1uoCr/view)

Nexigo Aurora Pro Mk II + an ALR screen (Nothing projector makes a seamless 132 inch if that fits on the wall, or a 120). A side benefit is that you wouldn't have to rip out the ceiling lights and fans since the projector would be on the floor in front of the screen. Without building a fake wall in front of the window you can't have an in-wall center anyway so you don't need something like a perforated screen. If you can't fit bigger than 120 (or less) I'd concur with ProjectionHead (aka Brian from Projectorscreen) that a floor-rising motorized ALR screen that comes up over the window would let you keep this room way more general use and then have a fantastic home cinema time anyway. You'd need blackout curtains over the window(s) instead of actually doing work to seal them. Alternatively if you prefer longer throw, a Valerion Pro 2 or Max, with the appropriate fresnel based ALR screen they sell. There are somewhat better projectors around the $5 grand mark but you're not buying just half the solution, you need to factor in the screen which can run $1-2 grand (or vastly more than that, you want a Screen Innovations Black Diamond in their Zero G motorized form it's more like five figures). But sure, you could go with a white screen and black everything but imo you absolutely don't need to. The clincher in my view is the available wall real estate you have to work with. If you could fit a 150, 175 or some other honking huge screen then a long throw and black walls would be the way to go. If you're limited to sub-150 anyway, why not UST?

Backed the Valerion Visionmaster Max on day 1 of the Kickstarter. This makes me feel even better about backing this for my first projector!

I might have some FOMO but getting in on a $4,000 USD (future MSRP) projector for $2,200 (I signed up before the Kickstarter launched) was too good a deal to pass up. Even if it ends up retailing at $3,000-3500 that would still be out of my price range. Other pjs in the $2-3k range are tempting but for me some are not available and others just don’t have the features most important to me. I will be ceiling mounting mine and didn’t really want something with an integrated stand that couldn’t be removed. It also has HDR 10+, Dolby Vision, IMAX Enhanced. Licensed Google TV OS. Which many don’t care about but according to Valerion it can pass through lossless DTX/Dolby Master Audio so no need for me to upgrade my 2017 Shield.

Another quality video from Rob. I’ll never be able to afford a JVC or Sony but was curious how the Valerion would compare. I backed the Valerion Max at the Kickstarter price of $2200 so if it’s just a little better than the Pro 2 I will be VERY happy. It’s going to have a better lens and some other upgrades so should be great for the price I got it at.

I pledged for the Valerion Max because of the Kickstarter pricing, as an early adopter I’m all in for around $2K. If I had your budget I’d probably go for the LS12000. Proven performer, solid company with worldwide support, parts. Epson is in the holy trinity of HT projector manufacturers for good reasons.

You do realize that AVS forums is full of people that that have the Pro 2 and are not paid "advertisers". There are multiple people that have both the Pro 2 and the C2. You could have asked them directly for a comparison. In any case the Valerion with the black levels and tone mapping comes out ahead. The C2 and C3 the differences are not that big. A lot of people are noticing this

The C2 is fine projector. My point is that your gripe could have been alleviated by asking a forum full of people with the projector which are not "paid advertisers" Valerians secret sauce is the software which to this point has not been matched.

Please it's better than both those. It has better tone mapping and the EBL function Hisense has yet to counter with anything as effective clearly not in those two projectors

They provide the base. The software which is the real secret sauce is done by Valerian ie: Tonemapping and EBL. You do know that right? That is the difference and it's big.

Furthermore, you realize that the same OLED panels are used by different manufactures. It DOES not mean that then all the OLED's are the same. The difference again is the software. By the way Valerion is a subsidiary of Awol not Hisense

The Max will absolutely close the gap between NZ and Epson. Some may in fact prefer it. It's amazing how much that little box punches above it's weight. Paying just under 2k for the Max at the Kick starter price has to be one of the best tech deals of recent times

That is mainly for People overseas. I got mine the first week of January. I'm part of that group and read the threads daily. The Max is supposedly going to hit with the Iris 30k -40k in contrast not native but it will absolutely close the gap and compete with projectors it has no business competing with

And there's more people without problems. Furthermore, just about every projection company has had those issues but I noticed there's a group of people that just don't seem to like this projector and are always only saying the negative things about this product.

Great comparison and this is not even the Flagship Max version. The next generation with the Larger Chip is going to get even closer. The Big Boys are not going to be able to justify there prices much longer. This is what market disruption looks like

"The Valerion has no weakness and we have never seen a projector for this type of price and performance." The Hookup

I pulled the trigger after all of the positive reviews on youtube. The max is going to be even better!

I'm already leaning pretty heavily toward the Max and don't see much reason to wait, to be honest. Just the promise of new features has me intrigued. The only thing I'll miss are the LCoS/SXRD blacks, but I bet that will be overshadowed with the rest of the improvements.

I am likely going with the Valerion Max. I see not reason to not have Dolby Vision built into the projector. I am concerned about Laser speckle though. I got a refund for this POS as well.

If you're already used to the DLP look the Max could be a fine option. There will be some rainbow effect but if you're not noticing it on the HT1075 then chances are you won't see it on the Max. In terms of overall picture quality they will probably trade blows depending on the scene. The Max should be a bit brighter and punchier with the wider gamut in bright scenes but there will probably be some cases where the LS12000 wins with the higher dark intrascene contrast. HDR tonemapping seems to be much better on the Valerion and the only way the LS12000 will compete here is with something like a lumagen or madvr. Laser speckle is also a consideration. The Valerion projectors like most 3 laser models are prone to it especially if using a higher gain screen. The LS12000 can use just about any screen without any speckle. If your room is untreated or a light color the LS12000 would be able to use ALR screens without worrying about laser speckle while the Max may have issues with some screens. For gaming DLP has much better motion resolution in my experience compared to other projection technologies, but the LS12000 does support 4k 120hz output so it may be somewhat close. The Max does support 1080p 240hz which the LS12000 does not for fast paced games, but I don't think the PS5 will output that so you'd be limited to 1080p 120hz.

" The Valerion won't in any way cannibalize JVC sales"' .. I can in all honesty say I was in the market to replace my 4yr old Epson TW9400 (5050UB), and was waiting to see a comparison demo of the Epson QB1000 and JVC NZ500 or even NZ700 .... but after seeing all the rave , I've now backed the Valerion Max. Dedicated hometheater here, 200"screen in fully blacked-out room, black carpet all around wllas, floor, ceiling ..

I got the valerion when it was still on kickstarter, best thing ever! Took forever to come tho. It was such a difference from my old projector (benq)

The internal speakers are surprisingly good. We used them for a hot minute before placing it in our theater room. It worked for sure, and was very comfortable for watching content, but nowhere comparable to a proper audio setup of course. A good soundbar would likely provide a “better” sound, but then you need to figure out placement and running a cable to it. I wouldn’t feel the need to rush into buying an audio solution right away after getting your projector if you go with a Valerion. If you *did* spend the money on a sound solution, I’d easily invest in a receiver and proper speakers over a soundbar. Look for used deals, lots of people unload old speakers for cheap, and buy a good refurbished denon or marrantz receiver.

Valerion will offer great 4k/60hz gaming experience with good colors and contrast. But if you want to get 4k/120hz then it's either Epson or JVC/Sony and those will be above 4-5k if new and slightly lower if used. I would probably get Valerion unless you 100% need 120hz and have spare cash to burn.

I just got it and playing PS5. Looks great with next to no lag. Coming from an Epson 3800. The valerion is fantastic.

The best projector under that budget is the Valerion which will blow those two out of the water.

I just LOVE how the Valerion punches so far above it's weight. Such a great projector at a pretty damn good pricepoint IMO.

I don’t have any experience with the Hisense so I can only speak about the Valerion. It’s super bright and the colors pop, which I think is pretty common with DLPs. The black levels are pretty damn good. It’s not the inky blacks that my LG OLED produces but honestly it’s good enough for me and the huge image it produces more than makes up for it. I’m using it in a room that is not light controlled and my setup is far from optimal but it looks fantastic. It runs super quiet and the build quality and design is impressive. I feel like if Apple made a projector it would be something like this (just in terms of material and attention to detail). No major downsides so far. 3D has been okay, nothing mind blowing. Lack of vertical lens shift isn’t great but I knew that going in. Even though it has built-in Google OS, I feel like my ONN dongle works better for consuming content. Overall I’m really happy with the purchase. Only slight regret is that maybe I should have waited for the Max but I’m too impatient for that.

Xgimi horizon S max is still €2000 right? Same as Valerion.