VisionMaster Max

For a large screen and HDR you are going to want as many lumens as you can get. The Valerion is super bright and sharp. The black levels are decent for a DLP projector and the laser light source is incredibly convenient when you’ve lived with bulb based projectors for so long. I have both the Valerion Visionmaster Max and an older JVC RS400. While I still prefer the black levels and the cinematic feel of the JVC image, everything else is just better on the Valerion. I think it has incredible value for the money and it still has 3D. I don’t think you can go wrong with it but I have not seen the other projectors on your list.

I did have a problem with it turning off on its own while watching content. There is a known fault with their older power supplies that causes them to overheat and cut the power. I communicated this with Valerion through their WhatsApp and email and they sent me a new power supply. So far for the last three weeks it has been working fine and not shutting off.

I got the valerian max, and it is the greatest thing I ever bought stopped using my tv i dont think i can ever go back to s tv not gonna lie, I bought it at the kickstarter price.So if the sony is only a thousand dollars more, I probably would have went for that

As I sit here staring at a Valerion Max, I feel like your opinion on this is kinda crazy. For what it is worth, I can't stand sparkling, and do notice it when I see it. I'm also RBE sensitive, and I am capable of seeing it with this model, and it is incredibly low RBE compared to other models I have seen. If you just don't like DLP, then that has nothing to do with the light technology used.

I don't have any high pitched noise at all. The projector runs really quiet overall. I seriously have no idea if there has been any firmware update for RBE reduction, but I can tell you I just find RBE very hard to see on this one. Feels like an 8x or faster color wheel equivalent. I have to look for RBE, and even then, it's barely there. So, thumbs up to them on doing a great job. I see it way easier on my BenQ W1070, which I do find mildly irritating when watching a movie.

Just so you are aware, projectors basically never are useful at their maximum brightness, and the Horizon 20 Max is no exception. It is extremely noisy and has terrible colors at its maximum brightness. Real world is closer to 3,000 ISO Lumens. Which is likely more where your BenQ probably worked at. I do think that the major players are playing catch up. Epson, BenQ, and Optoma are way behind. Epson especially with their lamp-based projectors still on the market, while every other brand, for the same money, has gone to LED or laser setups. But, the lifestyle models from a long list of companies are doing a very good job of giving us the quality we should expect. I watch videos here for some of the best reviews: [www.youtube.com/thehookup](http://www.youtube.com/thehookup) I also read reviews and feedback from owners as best as my time allows to stay informed. Companies like JVC and Sony still do well at the high end with their laser driven LCoS projectors. But, those remain quite expensive and do require sources to be connected. But, that's what they were designed for. I've run into issues with control of a Valerion projector that doesn't power on/off when the Denon receiver it is connected to powers on and off. This is the type of headache that smaller brands like this deliver. It should not be that way, but it is the headache of these smaller companies as well.

I use a JVC DLA-X590 on a daily basis, but just installed the Valerion Max at my brother's home. I put the JVC up next to the Valerion and the Valerion was a great deal brighter and had a super punchy image. I would likely buy something like the Horizon 20 if I were looking to buy a new projector right now. I do think it's a really great buy.

In a proper dedicated theater, with dark paint on all the walls and ceiling, you just need a basic matte white screen. If you also are doing a decent audio setup, then a acoustic screen makes a lot of sense. The Silver Ticket WAB screens are a great way to go. Please look at your measurements. Seems like 200 feet viewing distance is more like a auditorium at a college, not a small dedicated space. 200cm (6.5 feet) is REALLY tiny. 200" is over 15 feet, so that's not really small either. Just not sure what your real measurements are. I agree with u/Tempoth on this. If you can get the XGimi Noir, and wait a few months on it being delivered, it is one of the best options you may have right now. Otherwise, I might go with the XGimi Horizon 20 series, or the Valerion models.

As did I. So, we will find out just how good this actually looks at the same time. Based on seeing the Valerion Max, I expect the Noir will do a really good job.

As is often the case right now, if you have the budget for the XGimi Titan Noir Max, then you have a projector that makes a ton of sense. It has lens shift and can work from the back wall just fine. With 9' lens to screen (back wall mounting) it can give you a 62"-126" diagonal image. That's exactly what you want. [https://www.projectorcentral.com/xgimi-titan\_noir\_max-projection-calculator-pro.htm](https://www.projectorcentral.com/xgimi-titan_noir_max-projection-calculator-pro.htm) The duct placement is tough as it puts the projector more like 7.5' throw distance (lens to screen). That puts you squarely in short throw projector territory, which is extremely rare on projectors that look really good. Recently the Titan Noir was compared to models like the Valerion Visionmaster Max, and was rated as having higher performance overall. This was written by The Hook Up in response to a question as to which is better, I don't think a visual comparison video was made, but he has done a fair bit of testing with a demo unit he currently has... [https://www.youtube.com/@thehookupextras/videos](https://www.youtube.com/@thehookupextras/videos) That said, the Valerion Visionmaster Max is a very solid product as well. This is a model I recently installed into a client's home. I got the chance to compare it directly to my JVC projector, which I've enjoyed for years, and I found the Valerion was a significant step up in overall image quality. Shockingly better. Especially in brightness which is great for HDR 4K content. The Valerion was paired with a Silver Ticket WAB acoustic woven screen and looks amazing. I would think the WVS material would be just as strong. Woven screens are tested to have far less laser speckle than solid screens. This is something I can not say is true or not personally. I did all my testing on the woven screen. Not sure if you've dealt with audio in the room yet or not, but good audio is 100% as important as good video. Plan accordingly.

Lifestyle models are basically taking over the home theater market in that price range. But, there are models which absolutely trash the old home theater models. Xgimi with their Horizon 20, the Valerion Visionmaster models, the Nexigo Trivision Ultra. These are all a different box around the projector, but the image quality they are delivering is really exceptional. Yeah, I've had issues with the format as well, but it is what the industry is doing at this point. More lifestyle models, less home theater specific models. The BenQ HT2060 is a solid 1080p LED projector, but for the money, there is just no chance I would purchase it.

Elite Screens has some 'Yardmaster' series of screens designed for outdoor use. Be aware, it will struggle during the daytime, if it is usable at all. The sky is crazy bright, and projectors, even bright projectors are not able to compete. The Valerion models, and XGimi Horizon 20 series of projectors are solid choices. I like the Horizon 20 a great deal due to their inclusion of optical zoom and optical lens shift. Almost unheard of from any other model at this price point. Watch this video as it will help you get an understanding of what is around your price point... [https://youtu.be/9QqnfJ0-I\_s?si=p88bCpfragTgla8S](https://youtu.be/9QqnfJ0-I_s?si=p88bCpfragTgla8S)

Valerion Max yes for contrast due to iris but not the pro2, xgimi 20 max is like 50% brighter along with same contrast. Also, has h+v lens shift.

It did got beat by dangbei s7 ultra numbers, ~38% brighter too. You might want to temper your max expectations. It's a dimmer pro2 with ~2x contrast. The jump from pro2 will not be really big. For max iris 6, just dim your pro2 to laser 2-4 and imagine darker black due to ~2x contrast.

Lol agree with the echo chamber. You post negative things on their avs thread and fb page, they'll call you trolling with fake account haha. I got banned from both for pointing out their bias. Valerion fanbois are also big fans of dynamic contrast as they don't seem to use subtitles. You can see their comparison videos / pictures showing ebl and how great it is are all without subtitles, which is fine for americans who only watch english content. Think you might saw my comment on x1 with iris having better contrast but the gap is not that big and it's due to valerion max throttling iirc. Valerion does have upside with ebl (if you don't use white subtitles), global support, english menu with google tv, faster chip compared to x1, rbe reduction, ks price is fair. Downside, it's losing in terms of brightness (up to ~38%) to newer ones like nebula x1, jmgo n5, viddda c5 and dangbei s7. X1 is sharper too. Valerion retail price is unnecessarily high too. Their support is non existent and feels like abandonware. Pro2 only has 1 fw update in ~9 months and still got plenty of bugs. For users sensitive to rbe and want English menu, global warranty support and want snappier built in google tv, Valerion seems to be the only option for tri laser. Don't buy retail price though. If you can get the max @ks price and sensitivity to rbe, max is the best option. However if you're not sensitive to rbe, for half the price of retail max you better get dangbei s7 and a streaming stick.

Iirc nexigo has something similar to fixed iris as it limits the brightness. I prefer ust due to better and easier choice of alr screen. Xgimi 20, nebula x1 are different than nexigo alpd ones fyi. So your sensitivity to rbe and speckle matters in such choice. It's not that nebula x1 doesn't suffer sub issue, it's inherent to all dynamic dimming and nebula has one too. However, if you disable nebula subpar dynamic, then their native contrast with iris won't have such issue. Native contrast in the nebula x1 has the advantage over Valerion whose advantage is the ebl which works great if you don't use subtitles. Nebula version of ebl is not great so it's not really a loss for users using subtitles. Nebula x1 lens is sharper but cpu is laggier and has more rbe than the significantly more expensive valerion max though.

Nahh nebula x1 has better native and dynamic contrast. Valerion advantage is dimming.

Marketing contrast numbers are just nonsense. The valerion max native contrast at fully open iris is ~2000:1, and fully close at ~4000:1. Their dynamic contrast can reach 30k:1 means it can dim the laser and lower the black level in dark scenes. The native contrast remains the same fyi so you won't actually see 30k:1 contrast. Hence, some say infinite dynamic contrast when it can turn off the laser. -  1. You need to specify your throw range. 2. Most modern projectors handle 4k content fine, do you mean 4k output? 3. You prefer laser, have you seen the various kind of laser? There's single, dual and tri lasers with option like alpd. All different pro & con of laser. 4. For gaming, how about vrr? Lower lag may also mean lower resolution iirc.

You can consider nebula x1 and valerion max (if you can get it for less than $3k) as they have iris. Lasers get dim over time too. Imo best is for you to sample or demo them as tri lasers have issues such as rbe and speckle which bother some people. If you're sensitive to rbe then you will have to consider alpd laser projector or 3lcd like epsons.

Main difference - Xgimi: - has both vertical and horizontal shift - ~20% brighter even with Valerion iris fully open. - significantly cheaper at retail price - vrr for gaming Valerion: - has iris that trades brightness for contrast - better dynamic contrast dimming (ebl) but it only works if you don't consume content with subtitles - has rbe reduction feature that has high pitch noise though. - Valerion at retail price is absurd but it's ebl is nice if you don't consume content with subtitles and the rbe reduction feature is useful. Xgimi is a lot brighter, cheaper and has more features but the contrast is not as good due to lack of iris. Imo it depends on the price gap that you can get either one, and if you value contrast or brightness more. Also, check your sensitivity to rbe as this tri laser have issues with that and Valerion rbe reduction may not be enough for you if you're very sensitive to rbe.

For projector the black level is subjected to your room. So reflection from the room floor, ceiling, walls will bleed the black and raise it. Hence, ppl recommend alr screen for non ideal room (need to sample first as it has own sets of issues). Once you get the projector, you can try to see how bright content like animation don't change much between dark room and room with ambient light but then when you watch dark scenes it will look way better without the light bleeding the black. On/off your room light for bright and dark content, bright one will still look good in comparison to dark content. The valerion max with iris closed down will have the better black, up to 2x better contrast. However, this is subjected to your room. In a dark cave dedicated theater I would say pick the Valerion max but for regular room use, get the brighter and cheaper xgimi. However, if you still prefer native contrast then in the end it's Valerion due to iris.

Slight correction, there's no dynamic iris on Valerion max. It's dynamic contrast which uses dimming (and gamma correction too) and they call it EBL. Fyi, iris on Valerion max is currently only static and manual, Valerion did initially marketed dynamic iris but the plan has been cancelled, supposedly the feature was removed due to stability issues with Google TV.

Valerion max so only ~100 nits and ~4000 contrast but at bigger 120" picture size compared to a tv.

Nebula x1, it's even better than valerion flagship that cost 2x more as it has dynamic iris. Do check your sensitivity to rbe though.

How much do you value 3D? Valerion is using mediatek which has issues with 3D. The additional lens is also very expensive, iirc $999 kind. Gaming mode, it doesn't have vrr though. Imo you should wait, the valerion max was a product introduced in 2024 so it has a lot of shortcomings in comparison to newer pj such as lacking horizontal optical shift and water cooling. Also, if you get the valerion you will need additional external fan exhaust as it has thermal throttling issue which severely dim the red laser ~30-40%.

They are using this - https://kodi.wiki/view/Samples "Point 5: 3D Framepacked Full Resolution Test Pattern (Pay attention to the alphabets and the vertical & horizontal bars. If you see blurry alphabets or distortion in the letters vs. being legible, or there are gray lines in the vertical resolution boxes, it's an indication that either the playing device or the display is not showing full 1080p resolution in 3D mode)"

Depends on what you mean by inky black, it ain't jvc black nor oled / mini led for sure. Even the black bar is still very noticeable grey hence still need masking. EBL does help to dim the laser and tweak gamma to boost highlights however there are issues such as clipping and color shifting (human faces looks like wax and skin tone color keep changing) which can be annoying to sensitive users.

You must be new to projectors then. On your point 5 - UST been kicking standard throw for a while now till recently. When in 2025 the Valerion max shipped with a native contrast of 4000 with the iris clamped down, standard throw finally caught up with ust (older ust the likes of xiaomi c2 already had it for years). Also, the ust is cheaper than the standard throw one - xgimi / valerion retail at $4-6k range while the ust goes for $2-4k.

Ignore those deluded Valerion fans. Tbf if you only consume non subtitle dark content then maybe Valerion ebl will be the better choice for you. Assuming you're not sensitive to rbe, under $3k the best is dangbei s7 ultra max, then it's a tossed up between xgimi horizon 20 max and nebula x1. For ust, nexigo ap mk2 is better than valerion and has no rbe / speckle issue too.

Fyi there's a downside to low fan volume, the likes of Valerion get the low fan noise via limiting the fan (1600 rpm instead of 2500 rpm) and instead throttle the laser (can drop 30-40% kind). Some of their users are resorting to adding an extra fan / modding a replacement to reduce the throttling. So it depends which you prefer, as higher fan noise can be distracting too.

The color drift so it's not stable, affects the white balance and it may get dimmer.

Their retail price is definitely not value to performance. The likes of nebula x1 and dangbei s7 are all significantly cheaper.

This was almost certainly written by AI. You can't convince me this was written by a human: "This means that during sustained use, the red laser dims to protect the hardware, directly impacting color balance and perceived brightness—an unacceptable defect in a "premium" machine." or "We’ve been told the Max is a “home theater game-changer,” but when you look past the marketing gloss and into the real user comments—like the one in this thread—the story changes dramatically." What is with all the random references to "real user comments on this post?" What is this even talking about? The post was written before any comments were even there? That, along with no posts or comments in 3 years until today, is bot behavior. Regardless, here is my response to the criticism in this post: * **Lumens:** No projector ever hits its advertised brightness in the most color-accurate mode. The 3,500 ISO lumens is based on the brightest possible mode, and every review I’ve seen confirms that number is accurate. If you are going to complain about the calibrated brightness on the max, then that means every projector is just as guilty. * **Dynamic Iris:** The Max doesn’t have a dynamic iris yet. That’s coming in a future update. The claims in this post saying that it has poor contrast without it are ridiculous and uninformed; this seems to be a theme in this post. * **Thermal Throttling:** I’ve seen no reputable reviews or users reporting red laser thermal throttling on the Max. That seems completely baseless. Feel free to prove me wrong on this. * **Chromatic Aberration:** I have also seen no reviews or users mention chromatic aberration being an issue. Even if it were noticeable in extreme torture tests, it doesn’t matter for normal movie watching. * **Gaming:** The 4K/60Hz input lag is 15ms, which is very good, even for competitive gaming. (which you shouldn't do on a projector anyway). Criticizing the 1080p/240Hz 4ms spec is weird since 1080p is still the most common gaming resolution, over 53 percent of Steam users play at 1080p, and all modern consoles run it fine. There are good reasons to criticise the max, such as the price, low native contrast, laser speckle, brightness pumping, EBL issues when using subtitles, and color accuracy issues during warm-up, to name a few. The criticisms in this post are just plain stupid.

I got my max this week, and it has been phenomenal. I am probably in the group that glazes on valerion a little too hard, but there is a good reason for it. Previously, I have tried projectors like the Epson 5050ub and BenQ HT2060, and I have viewed over a dozen high-end projectors in demo rooms. For me, the valerion is my perfect projector. I don't have the room or the budget to go with a huge JVC, Sony, or Epson, but I also don't feel like I need to. I don't have any RBE sensitivity, and I am working on a strict budget. Maybe I don't have a well-trained eye, but at EBL low with the IRIS dialed in, the black levels are so low that I can't imagine watching anything and thinking I would need more contrast. But contrast isn't my favorite part about the max; it is the colors. Watching movies on this projector feels like I am watching them with fresh eyes; it is an absolute joy. I hear that virtually all triple laser projectors produce colors like this, and I haven't actually seen any other triple laser projectors in person, so maybe that is the real game changer for me. Regarding this person's criticisms, they don't feel unbiased to me. There isn't any projector that matches the advertised lumens in the most color accurate mode, the max can achieve 3500 lumens in a less color accurate mode, it isn't deceptive at all. OP also doesn't even realize that dynamic iris isn't included in the max yet; that is coming in a future update. And then the throttling and chromatic aberration claims are completely baseless in my experience; I haven't seen anyone who is experiencing those issues on the Max. Doesn't feel genuine to me.