Valerion - VisionMaster Pro

You would be better off giving them a purchase list of what you want. Then having then source it and install it.. Too much unknown here. This is the core system Sony STRAZ1000ES Premium ES 7.2 CH 8K A/V Receiver Sony BRAVIA Projector 7 - 4K HDR Laser Home Theater Projector with Native 4K SXRD Panel (VPL-XW5100ES), Black Reval speakers : W553L- LCR and W383- sourounds 1 svs pb2000 sub 1 3m passive radiator Core equipment price is 15,000usd Not bad.. but you can do way better. You would be better off with an az7000es reciever. (3500usd) <13 powered channels> And a klipsch suit of R-5502-W II in-walls for your 7 channal bed layer.. <1400usd> then CDT-5800-C II <1000usd> for your atmos.. and that Projector is over priced for the specs. Valerian VisionMaster Pro 4K RGB is an all around better Projector for 1/3 the cost.. <3000usd> Also klipsch rp1600sw x2 <3600usd> will set you back about double the cost of the svs but will provide considerably more ULF and LF and have better warentees <5 years drover and amp> Core Equipment for 7.2.6 system all in 12,000usd these are msrp prices and most of this can be sourced considerably less even if you add 5k for installation you still end up better off even with ALL of there other options left as is

Great points! I've personally been really happy with Valerion Vision Master Pro for creating that immersive, big-screen experience at home. It definitely delivers on the cinematic vibe in my controlled lighting space.

Take a look at the Valerion Visionmaster Pro it's awesome for gaming.

You're welcome. As for projectors the new Xgimi 20 series looks perfect... Mechanical zoom and lense shift and should basically fill as big a screen as you can fit in that space if you mount it right up close to the wall opposite the screen. I've got a Visionmaster Pro and wish id held out for a little longer - the xgimi looks like it's copied their best features and in a nicer looking package

The main advantage of a projector is size. You can get a 135" diagonal from a projector, which no TV that's affordable can possibly deliver. At 100" diagonal, TVs are the way to go most of the time. If your space supports it, just get a decent TV. Models like the Valerion Pro are solid enough and give good viewing, but they will suffer, as all projectors do, in any type of ambient light. I'm working with someone who will end up doing a 135" setup for his theater specific space, but will also have a couple of 100" displays in the rest of his basement for viewing in different areas.

The Valerion Pro Master will give you deeper blacks esp in Dolby Vision espwith their Enhanced Black Level switch . Ceiling projection ? Not sure about that however . Also the JMGO N1S Ultimate for searing brights and color volume . Triple Laser and the fastest Keystone and Focus Adjustments available . An eye popping projector pleaser if there was one .

You could check out the Valerion Pro (not pro 2) which is sometimes on sale on eBay as “used” while on fact it is brand new. Awesome device.

It’s half the price and gets the job done Laser and 4k Now the valerian pro is an amazing machine Specially if you’re into 3D

Try valerion pro best choice ever also for gaming awesome

Be sure to check the throw distance with those projector options, they're all longer throw than the UHD50X. I looked at the LS12000 to replace my UHD50X and it would not have worked because of the throw distance required. I ended up with the Valeron VisionMaster (Pro2 soon to be Max) and it was a huge upgrade from the UHD50X. Otherwise check projector central for reviews, which includes input lag. Random thought about the front speakers, the towers are pretty high, I'm guessing the tweeters are 5 feet high? Maybe they could be turned upside down so the tweeter is closer to ear level when seated. Also there might be crazy reflections off the cabinets on the sides from the L and R, packing that area with acoustic treatment may make it sound a bit better.

https://preview.redd.it/2vpjw8abhprf1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bb66bde4cf2cf77e457acc9ec3f4cd0a585b024e Can’t go wrong with the Valerion, I got the stream master 2 a few weeks back, it was on sale! But the gaming experience is by far one of the best!

They are excellent, there is no real competition in terms of quality/price ratio except maybe the Nebula X1. However they are not perfect: they’re subject to speckle and RBE. You’ll need a matte white screen  for the speckle. If you want to avoid RBE there is only Epson, all DLP projectors have it.

That’s gonna be so sweet. I’d say keep the screen, grab a nicer projector, and enjoy the big screen experience. The Valerion is considered a steal right now, but if you wanna keep the price sub 1000, the benq HT2060 does NOT disappoint. Obviously no projector is going to have the black levels of an OLED, but imo the much larger theatrical screen of a projector makes it so worth it. You have the space, you’re planning on controlling the light with black paint anyway, you might as well make the most of that space and keep the projector setup.

Ignore those deluded Valerion fans. Tbf if you only consume non subtitle dark content then maybe Valerion ebl will be the better choice for you. Assuming you're not sensitive to rbe, under $3k the best is dangbei s7 ultra max, then it's a tossed up between xgimi horizon 20 max and nebula x1. For ust, nexigo ap mk2 is better than valerion and has no rbe / speckle issue too.

If you don’t need extra brightness, Valerion is a better option than Nexigo. Just be aware you may have to choose the screen carefully for RGB laser projectors. But if your room has all-white ceilings, the black level may not differ too much. The extra brightness, almost doubled, could give you a better HDR/DV experience. XGIMI is great if you need more flexible position with its optical zoom and lens shift.

Since I really like UST projectors I'd have said "Nexigo Aurora Pro MK II" - $3 grand + $1 grand for an UST specific ALR screen, but with the ceiling mount and screen already there I guess that's out. Although not necessarily, still; it's still $4 grand and you could just dismount that screen and remove the ceiling mount. For long throw the Valerion projectors are hard to look past at this price point, they're embarrassing more established brands right now. However, I'd still replace the screen with Valerion's long throw Fresnel ALR screen. Also, what is that, a screen for mice? 100 inches in that space? Get a 150 and drop it low. This screen is mounted too high anyway.

The Valerion would be my pick just now but I tend to watch dark content at night.

I got the valerion when it was still on kickstarter, best thing ever! Took forever to come tho. It was such a difference from my old projector (benq)

The internal speakers are surprisingly good. We used them for a hot minute before placing it in our theater room. It worked for sure, and was very comfortable for watching content, but nowhere comparable to a proper audio setup of course. A good soundbar would likely provide a “better” sound, but then you need to figure out placement and running a cable to it. I wouldn’t feel the need to rush into buying an audio solution right away after getting your projector if you go with a Valerion. If you *did* spend the money on a sound solution, I’d easily invest in a receiver and proper speakers over a soundbar. Look for used deals, lots of people unload old speakers for cheap, and buy a good refurbished denon or marrantz receiver.

I think its iffy to be honest. I love my projector, but there are definitely some drawbacks. Ambient light and placement are the real challenges you'll be navigating. Can you darken your room? If not, go TV. What's the space you'll be using it like? Have a dedicated setup or will you need to work around existing furniture? If you use a screen on a tripod, you'll inevitably be dealing with some issues getting the projector square with the screen. If you're fine using a lifestyle projector and throwing it on a blank wall, it's easier but you will sacrifice some clarity and color (with a pro of GREAT movability). If you want a mounted screen (ceiling or wall) then you'll likely need to think through wall or ceiling mounting the projector too. I love the lifestyle projectors as I can easily camp out with movies, take it to a friends for "the big game", or point it at the ceiling and play games from bed while laying on my back. Budget friendly options would be Highsense C2 Ultra, a lower budget Valerion, or a Nexigo Trivision Ultra. Im not an expert on UST options, but I'm sure someone can chime in with a few options. Pros for a TV: It's easy and you wont have to worry about light in the room. Cons: TV is now the focal point in the room. One thing to consider on "movie night", how are you about sound?

Valerion will offer great 4k/60hz gaming experience with good colors and contrast. But if you want to get 4k/120hz then it's either Epson or JVC/Sony and those will be above 4-5k if new and slightly lower if used. I would probably get Valerion unless you 100% need 120hz and have spare cash to burn.

The Valerion or Hisense C2 may be the best option for you. Great native and dynamic contrast with awesome brightness and colors. Also with great gaming input lag.

You do realize that AVS forums is full of people that that have the Pro 2 and are not paid "advertisers". There are multiple people that have both the Pro 2 and the C2. You could have asked them directly for a comparison. In any case the Valerion with the black levels and tone mapping comes out ahead. The C2 and C3 the differences are not that big. A lot of people are noticing this

The C2 is fine projector. My point is that your gripe could have been alleviated by asking a forum full of people with the projector which are not "paid advertisers" Valerians secret sauce is the software which to this point has not been matched.

Please it's better than both those. It has better tone mapping and the EBL function Hisense has yet to counter with anything as effective clearly not in those two projectors

They provide the base. The software which is the real secret sauce is done by Valerian ie: Tonemapping and EBL. You do know that right? That is the difference and it's big.

Furthermore, you realize that the same OLED panels are used by different manufactures. It DOES not mean that then all the OLED's are the same. The difference again is the software. By the way Valerion is a subsidiary of Awol not Hisense

I just got it and playing PS5. Looks great with next to no lag. Coming from an Epson 3800. The valerion is fantastic.

Valerion does not have VRR. LS12000 has 5000:1 native contrast (25k:1 dynamic) vs the Valerion 2000:1 native (10k:1 dynamic). Epson won't have RBE for people who are sensitive to it. Valerion is a great value, but there are still benefits Epson can offer.

The best projector under that budget is the Valerion which will blow those two out of the water.

I m impressed by the pcture quality of it versus the price i paid for. EBL is a hit or miss , most of my content works great with it but some show color shifting. Even with it off, the black are pretty good. Im coming from a jvc x30 so older and 1080p, blacks are better than it. However cannot compare to newer jvc unit. I m impressed by the color mapping, brightness ,contrast and sharpness, its super sharp even if its currently keystoned to hell while i m waiting for some brackets. My ps5 pro,pc,4k and br player look amazing. Dv and HDR seem as good as my tv (tcl 625 miniled which had a good implementation of it). No issue either with streaming app on google tv. Had to change my 20' hdmi cable though,sound was cutting and no issue with the new cable rated at 48gbps. Also and the most important its be wife approved, she says it looks like a huge tv due to the color/brightness/sharpness i think, she was initially very doubtful about why i backed this or even wanted to change the projector. For the price its a no brainer however i m pretty sure the ls12000 is bit better in some aspects. https://preview.redd.it/bwgi02npm6je1.jpeg?width=4000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6b36657be043c802c5026b3827032278bc24ae8b I

I just LOVE how the Valerion punches so far above it's weight. Such a great projector at a pretty damn good pricepoint IMO.

I don’t have any experience with the Hisense so I can only speak about the Valerion. It’s super bright and the colors pop, which I think is pretty common with DLPs. The black levels are pretty damn good. It’s not the inky blacks that my LG OLED produces but honestly it’s good enough for me and the huge image it produces more than makes up for it. I’m using it in a room that is not light controlled and my setup is far from optimal but it looks fantastic. It runs super quiet and the build quality and design is impressive. I feel like if Apple made a projector it would be something like this (just in terms of material and attention to detail). No major downsides so far. 3D has been okay, nothing mind blowing. Lack of vertical lens shift isn’t great but I knew that going in. Even though it has built-in Google OS, I feel like my ONN dongle works better for consuming content. Overall I’m really happy with the purchase. Only slight regret is that maybe I should have waited for the Max but I’m too impatient for that.

Any of these not have RBE? I have the Valerion and the RBE is very pronounced. I am sensitive to it and for me it is almost un-watchable.

I have the Valerion Pro 2.

The LS12000 has over 2x the native contrast of the Valerion. It also has no rainbow effect while the Valerion has quite a bit. That’s 2 big things the LS12000 has over the Valerion off the top of my head.