TITAN Noir Max

With one Noir Max I would get ~50 nits in Dynamic Mode, which isn't enough for good HDR. With two I get to ~100 nits, which should be barely enough. While yes, the "normal" Titan is brighter, the picture quality is not on the same level and it is more expensive. That would not be a good option for me...

I would get the XGIMI Titan Noir Max. The Kickstarter starts 23. April with a 3000$ price tag for the Max. Payment will be around 09. June, with shipping starting a few weeks later. And before Kickstarter begins, you can save an additional 200$ by paying a 50$ deposit on the XGIMI homepage. Get for the 200$ a few black curtains that you can pull in front of the white walls during movie watching and you will be golden! And after buying a projector try to get screen samples before buying a screen! I made two deposits so that I can stack two for my 220" 16:9 wall. Will be a heck of a first home Cinema!

YOU suggested buying two regular Titan, instead of two Titan Noir Max! Which would result in a worse experience for more money! Makes no sense for me...

You're being down voted because it's pixel shift.

I see you likely down voted me. That's interesting. Pixel shift rather than a true 4k chip has consequences. For one pixel shift projectors can only do 4k 60 because that magic advertised 240 1080p is what is required to hit the 4k 60. 4k 120 would require it to be able to do 480@1080 so they won't be hitting that for gaming anytime soon.

Yep. I have the Valerion VisionMaster Pro2 but I will be moving to the Noir Max for lense shift with the added bonus of much lower 4k 60 input lag when gaming.

Prioritizing actual dark room image quality, the Noir is the better choice. Prioritizing use with some lights on in the room and the quality that offers, then the Aetherion is the way to go. You get to choose one or the other. I'm a image quality guy, so I ordered the XGimi. (put a deposit down) I don't like the headaches that go with UST projectors such as perfectly flat screens being absolutely required. That alignment is a massive headache to get perfect. Dealing with center channel placement. Worrying about bumping into it. The expensive screen requirement for best possible ALR performance. In reality, you lose a fair bit of quality when you start turning lights on in a theater, but it's not like you are watching something unusable. It's TOTALLY fine to turn lights on in the room and you still have a very enjoyable image, with some lights on, especially for sports viewing. I took some photos of my old W1070 from BenQ on a 161" screen with some lights on in the room. The light closest to the screen I had pulled out, but other lights were on in the basement at the time... [W1070 With The Lights On - 161" Screen | AVS Forum](https://www.avsforum.com/threads/w1070-with-the-lights-on-161-screen.1720730/) If you are okay with a hit in image quality with the lights on and not having the same headaches that go with UST projectors, then I'd go with the XGimi. But, UST projectors do perform better in lit rooms.

This is a very large room, and it sounds like it is a dedicated space. I would say a quality projector is a good way to go, but you are then being super cheap on sound. Sound should be no less than 50% of your budget in any room. As a dedicated room, if you own the home, you need to properly wire for 5.1 audio (minimum) and use appropriate speakers and a AV receiver. A speaker bar is what you throw under your TV in your family room to get a bump in audio quality over TV speakers. They aren't a serious product. Generally, right now, the XGimi Titan Noir on Kickstarter is getting a lot of praise. It is a standard throw projector which needs to be ceiling mounted. But, you can get away with a standard white, or preferably woven, acoustically transparent screen. See [www.silverticketproducts.com](http://www.silverticketproducts.com) for a list of their different models. You want something in this category... [https://www.silverticketproducts.com/collections/fixed-projection-screens/frame\_standard+condition\_new+ratio\_16-9+style\_wvs-acoustic](https://www.silverticketproducts.com/collections/fixed-projection-screens/frame_standard+condition_new+ratio_16-9+style_wvs-acoustic) I would think that with a room that size a 135-150" diagonal screen is not wrong in such a space. I would not go with a UST projector. For best performance, they really demand a matching UST/ALR screen, which is going to be around $2,000. If you already are spending $3,000 on a projector, then a $2,000 screen isn't crazy, but it is a big addition to your budget. A long throw projector does not really need this type of specialty screen. It will do better with a woven screen due to the triple laser setup, but it won't need, or really benefit from a ALR screen. So, if you have that money, spend it on getting some wiring in the room that is appropriate for your theater, and absolutely needs to be in place. Going to such a large screen size is appropriate for the room. The XGimi Titan Noir is appropriate for the room. Proper 5.1 (or better) surround sound is appropriate for the room. This is a heck of a room in what I assume is in a home you own, that you paid a lot of money for. Don't treat it like a dorm room. Treat it like any other space you want to get the most out of and not feel like things are poor. You should look at photos of theaters online. Google has a ton of image results. Note that the best performing theaters are dark. Dark walls, dark ceiling, dark carpet. A theater is a different space from your family room. It is different from your bedroom, kitchen, and bathroom. This shouldn't need to be said, but it is massively important. If you have a dedicated theater, then make it a damn theater! Not another family room. Paint the walls with dark, flat paint. The walls can use a color if you want. There are tons of theater friendly carpet colors as well. The ceiling is generally best in a dark grey to black color. The darker, the better. After you paint the room dark, you likely will discover that you don't have sufficient room lighting. This is quite normal. THAT SAID... I get that on a budget you may only be able to do certain things right now. If you can only do a couple of things right now within your budget, then getting a good projector and screen and throwing it with a sound bar is perfectly fine, if your long term plan is to upgrade and get wiring taken care of and all the rest.

Generally speaking, a projector over a seating spot is not intrusive in any way to the experience. When seated, your head is well below the projector and getting up/down does not impact things. This can keep you from having to get a UST/ALR screen and increases the projector budget. Using the Titan Noir Max, from XGimi, as an example... [https://www.projectorcentral.com/xgimi-titan\_noir\_max-projection-calculator-pro.htm#calc](https://www.projectorcentral.com/xgimi-titan_noir_max-projection-calculator-pro.htm#calc) You can put it at the back of the room, over the seating position, and get over a 120" diagonal from that spot if you wanted to. Plus, the lens shift and zoom ensure you get a perfect fit on the screen far more easily.

Those suggesting the XGimi Titan Noir Max are giving the best information I would say. Yes, you can use a projector with a shorter throw distance like the Valerion, which is a solid product, but the XGimi has better throw range, and really good lens shift, which should make you setup much better overall. You will need to figure out audio as well here. The projector speakers may be decent, but they are behind you and decent would be the best case. Bluetooth is a bad option. So, cabling is required between the projector and a speaker to get decent audio.

Do NOT buy an ALR screen. They have significant issues with sparkling, image uniformity, and hot spotting. The sparkling being the most obnoxious thing in my experience. Get a standard white screen, or a standard grey screen. I'm not sure if anyone has done testing with Elite to know which materials work best with RGB laser projectors or not. This thread does talk about Silver Ticket materials... [Silver Ticket Screen Samples Tested on Valerion Pro 2](https://www.avsforum.com/threads/silver-ticket-screen-samples-tested-on-valerion-pro-2.3324249/)

Lol saying jvc and epson are overhyped is kinda wild. If you can afford jvc, epson and sony, just get them. The only reason you hear about the likes of xgimi, valerion, nexigo etc is due to price. They are significantly cheaper and perform ~80% of jvc, sony, epson. If you want the best and can afford it then just get jvc, Sony, epson - christie is excluded. You want the best bang value then get those china ones. Now for your comparison on viewsonic vs valerion vs xgimi noir. The viewsonic seems to be build for productivity and not content. Business centric projector care more about brightness than color accuracy, color volume, motion and contrast. Also, the likes of valerion max and titan noir have iris that trade the brightness for higher contrast - their laser also can dim to get better black level. Contrast, color and black level are more important for regular content than brightness. Hence, business projector are not suitable for lifestyle use and content. In your bright office to show ppt slides, better to get the viewsonic. For viewing content it's better to get regular pj.

Coming from OLED, worried about rainbow effect? Valerion Pro2 – best contrast, but triple laser can have speckle and faint rainbowing. Some notice it, some don't. XGIMI Titan Noir – no laser speckle, less rainbow risk. Safer bet if you're sensitive. Anker Nebula X1 – also triple laser, but Anker claims they fixed speckle. Still a risk. For bedroom, 120", coming from OLED – I'd lean XGIMI Titan Noir. Safer, less chance of annoying artifacts. Order somewhere with easy returns and test a high-contrast scene. 👍

Kickstarter is a risk, yeah. Horizon 20 is a smart test. Same laser type as Titan (no speckle), so if you don't see rainbow on it, you're safe. Honestly though, the Horizon 20 is a great projector on its own. You might not even want the Titan after trying it. Just buy from somewhere with returns (Amazon or similar), test it for a few days, and see how it feels. Good luck. 👍