7Hz - Timeless AE (AngelEars)

While I don't currently commute much, if I'm going somewhere on public transport, I find that I prefer a more v-shaped tuning than usual, with a strong bass especially. I think maybe it helps with background noise, but also in general I prefer a more energetic sort of sound if I'm out and about. My current go-to is the Ikko OH10. I've been looking for an endgame for this use-case and so far, the OH10 is the closest, but not quite perfect. It could do with a couple more dB of bass (without EQ) and a touch less stridency in the treble. I will say though, it's pretty easy to make the OH10 perfect with EQ, it's just something I don't like doing because I'm always listening to different stuff and it's a pain to manage profiles. Plus it encourages never-ending tinkering and tip rolling is bad enough as it is. Some things I was hoping would unseat the OH10 but have not done so include the Aful Explorer and FatFreq Deuce. Some warm/bassy IEMs that I don't like as much for travelling are the QKZ HBB and Letshuoer S08, despite being my #3 and #2 IEMs overall, respectively. The HBB is too laid back. The S08 is let down by its bass, which can be a bit boxy at the best of times, but this gets exaggerated quite a lot when travelling, especially on buses. The Timeless AE is an interesting one in that it sounds perfect for walking around, but as soon as I get on a bus, it suddenly sounds like it has no bass. Been meaning to write a separate post about that one. I think there's something about "planar bass" and acoustic impedance going on there; something to do with the engine noise/vibration from buses. The same thing does not happen with DD bass drivers, regardless of whether they are midbass or subbass focused. I haven't had a chance to compare the Timeless AE, Ikko OH10 and Moondrop Kato on a train, but for a long time the Kato was my go-to for long train journeys. I find the OH10 is a bit ahead of the Kato for bus trips, as it's more v-shaped. I think if I'm going to spend 2-4 hours on a train, I'll still prefer the Kato. I'll also mention my favourite IEM overall which is the Simgot EA1000. It works for everything including travelling, but the Kato and OH10 are both warmer/bassier so those are what I'd normally go to for travelling. If I were travelling, staying hotels, etc., and wanted to take a single IEM for everything, it would be the EA1000.

EA1000 is my favourite IEM at any price, that I've heard so far. It's a very good driver, which easily competes with planars like the Timeless & S12 Pro as far as resolution goes, but it has better timbre. The quality of the treble is about 90-95% as good as the Variations, which probably has the best treble under $1000. I haven't heard the Timeless 2, but I have the Timeless AE. Haven't seen any comparisons, but I suspect the T2 is very similar to the AE. The [graph](https://audioamigo.squig.link/?share=7Hz_Timeless_AE,7Hz_Timeless_2_Gold_STD) looks nearly identical. The AE is quite bassy, mainly sub-bass focused, so is good for electronic music. A bit less spicy than the S12 Pro, but still very much from that generation of planars with similar planar timbre etc. It's maybe 5% better than the S12 Pro, for double the price. The EA1000 has a bit less sub-bass, but it has really exceptional midbass and makes acoustic drums sound more real than any other IEM I've heard. I don't know if you've heard the original EA500, the EA1000 is basically that, but more refined, less spicy treble, a bit better timbre (which is already pretty good) and better bass quality. I didn't really like the LM compared to the original. The extra sub-bass ruined the soundstage and masked a lot of the ultra-detailed sound the OG has. The EA500 actually sounds slightly bigger and has sharper imaging because it has so much extra treble. The EA1000 is still about 95% of the stage size & imaging precision, but much smoother and more natural sounding. I did some experimentation with the LM while I had it, but nothing I did could make it have the same magic as the OG, so I ended up returning it. The only thing I would change about the EA1000 is it has a Harman-like cool-tilted midrange, so male vocals can be missing some huskiness compared to some warmer IEMs. It's not a true Harman tuning though, because it doesn't have the midbass tuck. I haven't heard the ET142 so I can't compare, ~~but I did check a few reviews of it before and it sounds like the treble is a bit harsher than the EA1000, because of the PZT. That was the thing that put me off trying it.~~ Edit: It wasn't the PZT, it was something else, but I can't remember why I wrote this one off. In fact, most of the trustworthy reviews (Paul Wasabii, Audio Amigo, HBB's updated review) are very positive about it and it has a more S08-like treble tuning with some of the nozzles (which is a good thing).

I don't know where the ET142 sits in that order but I'd put the EA1000 ahead of the Timeless - at least the AE. The main difference I think is going to be in the bass. The bass on planars is generally more resolving, but less punchy. So if you have for example a bass guitar and kick drum playing, the planar will make the separation between them more obvious, but the DD, especially on the EA1000, will have more of that punchy quality to the bass. I especially notice if I'm out walking around or on a bus with the Timeless AE that the bass loses even more of its impact because it gets drowned out by e.g., the bus engine noise & vibrations. Whereas on my DD IEMs, the bass continues to cut through any background sounds. On the planars it sounds almost like the tuning has changed, but with the DD it doesn't. In terms of bass quality overall, the EA1000 is definitely better & more realistic sounding for acoustic music. The deeper rumbly sub-bass on the Timeless can be better for some electronic music. Most recording don't have much sub-bass at all. I would imagine that the bass performance of the ET142 will be fairly similar to other planars like the Timeless, the S12 Pro and Artti T10, as it's the same sort of driver and these effects are pretty similar for all of them.

Se tu comparar o gráfico no squiglink você irá ver a diferença entre o Timeless AE e o Zero Red, pô, não tem como tu chamar o Timeless AE de neutro, o Heyday possui bem menos graves que o Red e o Timeless, bem menos mesmo, sua fonte deve estar zoando seus fones

Faz sentido, gráfico não representa um fone bem mesmo, o Timeless AE e o Heyday usam o mesmo driver, soam parecidos, mas iguais nunca, ele forma tunados de formas diferentes, mas cada experiência é única e cada ouvido também, cada experiência é única mesmo

I recently tried the S12 Pro, S12 Anniversary, Timeless II, Timeless AE, Simgot ET142, Artti T10, Hidisz MP145, and Zetian Wu Legend. It's tough to pick a personal favorite since they all have their pros and cons, but if I had to choose, my top picks would probably be: * Timeless II or Timeless AE (whichever is cheaper). I like the Timeless II, but it can be prone to sibilance. The Timeless AE isn't as sibilant, but its upper treble is definitely a bit too much for me. * Simgot ET142. These are actually really good. The bass reminds me of the Timeless II/AE and the treble isn't as harsh as, say the S12 Pro. My only issue is the apparent peak in the upper-mids. * S12 Pro. Mostly because they're one of the cheapest options and the fit is easy as hell. They don't lack in technicalities compared to the rest either but yeah, the treble can be a bit too much for me. * Lastly, the MP145. The fit can be tricky, but when I get a good seal, they're good. Plus in my country they can be cheaper than the S12 Pro. As for the Artti T10, I had a hard time getting a good fit so I'll probably pass on that one. Still haven't tried the Zetian Wu Heyday or the Kiwi Ears Aether tho.

7hz Timeless AE for me.

As a big fan of Timeless and especially Timeless AE. I can say PRX is perfect choice for very little cost, incredible value.

I use the 7Hz Timeless AE with 3rd party cable although it was a pricey purchase, I play a lot in bed on my side and due to it being round and flat, it doesn't hurt and push into my ear like other wired and wireless earbuds. I'm not an audiophile so don't ask me about sound.

I'm not familiar with these but I've been happy with the 7hz timeless ae

I bought the Tangzu Heyday and 7hz Timeless AE at the same time for a great price, but It was the ewuivalent of a month salary for me. No regrets, they are my actual endgame on iems. Also, the Tempotec V6 DAP. Researched a Lot, bought one, never looked back

The in ear that made me fala in love with headphones in general was the Philips SHE 9000. I had an Xperia Phone back then and I had a blast with those. First pair of proper iems were the KZ ZSN pro with the meizu HiFi Dac, mindblowing for the time. A While later I got the Moondrop Aria that made the KZ sound like trash and Just a bit after I got the 7hz Dioko that made the Aria sound like a muffled boomy mess too. And that went on for a While until I got to the Tangzu Heyday and 7hz Timeless AE. Now I have my endgame but I still collect cheaper iems.

My all time favorite Tangzu Heyday and 7hz Timeless AE

Dunu Titan S2 Artti T10 Letshuoer S12 7hz Timeless AE (tenho um a venda kk)

Very willing to EQ. I'm currently using the 7hz Timeless AEs and they're pretty good but they just don't have that bass punch/slam. I saw DucBloke's video on EQing the Deuce and he raised the midbass frequencies quite a bit and said that after EQ they had 9.5/10 slam, which is the main reason I'm even considering the Deuce in the first place.

Timeless or the AE version for extra bass.

Jesus, I just got the Mest MKII, haven’t finished figuring out tips yet, but my general impression is they are very good, but I find more enjoyment from my Timeless. Surprised that was the case, thought maybe I was crazy, but good seeing someone else with the same impression. The Timeless with Dunu S&S tips just have this level of separation and speed that is in its own class. The shocking thing is that so far the Mest does not match the separation, maybe I need the right tips. But the notes are thicker and mids are better. Slightly more rumble.

I went from the Timeless to the S12 to the Artti T10 and I honestly prefer the T10 for metal. They're all very similar, but luckily I like the cheapest one the best.

Depende de que jeito você gosta de ouvir metal. Tem quem prefira focar na parte rítmica e goste de fones mais escurinhos, onde a bateira e baixo têm mais destaque, e os pratos não tem muito ataque. Tem quem goste de um som um pouco mais brilhante, pra pegar mais detalhes e ouvir melhor os pratos. Essa é a minha preferência. Escuto muito metal, principalmente metal extremo, e os meus fones favoritos pra isso são em V. Se o seu gosto se alinhar com o meu, recomendo pegar um planarzinho em V, tipo T10, S12, Timeless etc.

EQ settings are relative to frequency response. It's like asking how much should I add salt to fries without the information if they're already saltes. The question is what kind of a tuning is ideal for metal and as a metalhead at least in my youth I find that a very interesting question. Preferences matter a lot as well and someone who loves the sound of one IEM maybe just hasn't heard something better yet and can't imagine what the improvement might be. The best tuning for metal I've heard so far with maybe fifty IEMs and some EQ on top was Oluv's mainstream preset for the Free Pro 2's. Really fun yet clean bass and you could push the volume really high without any fatigue etc. Gave me chills with a lot of metal music. With IEMs I have to say I haven't found anything excellent yet and actually KZ Libra (balanced) is easily on of the best for that and costs $10. The bass is pronounced, but much cleaner than the measurements seem to imply. The straight rising bass boost might be the reason instead of a bass shelf. Old but gold would be a Tin Hifi T2 Plus as it really pushes vocals pleasantly forward and has that big energetic feel to it. Not detailed etc at all, but really enjoyable. IEMs I love otherwise like Zero Red, Hexa, MP145, Timeless, B2 Dusk, Dusk DSP just don't impress me at all with metal specifically and I would take the Libra over probably all of them for that. You can make an EQ preset for the Chu to match KZ Libra on the AutoEQ website and elsewhere. Give it a try if you want.

Not entirely sure, but some otherwise good IEMs are just bad for distinguishing direction. Channel matching is certainly one thing, but rarely big enough to be the reason. Not just tuning either it seems. IEMs like B2 Dusk, Timeless and Performer 5 if I remember correctly were rather bad for gaming compared to Zero Red, Vivace or EM6L which are perfectly good. Looping the same gaming recordings with the first ones I struggle hearing directions that already know in advance while with the others it's obvious.

I was genuinely baffled in not just music but in games as well with my 7hz timeless iems, never going back

I think for sth as subjective as sounds, if you define better as in your subjective opinion about sth then a 5000 dollars iem can still be worse than a 50 dollars iem. Because personal taste is something that cannot be measures nor argue with. Yet if we talk in product terms a 500 dollars iems means that your money could go into aesthetic, material, technical qualities, chipset, design, engineering, packaging, longetivity, durabilities, quality control between units or even brand prestige and marketing. Would that make an iem worth 1000 dollars ? Now that is another question but its a marketing one. Its a hobby so people tends to just buy whatever they like and justify it later. Personally i do find that my timeless is no where capable of producing the jaw dropping bass quality of my z1r , and for my own personal experience, the price of the z1r is justified. That's my 2 cent

After the magic Timeless of years ago, 7Hz never managed to keep the same high level, I can't remember anything really worth it after that... Maybe just the Zero.

I tried TheAudio Monarch and Oracle (don't remember Mk numbers) some time ago and wasn't impressed really. The do sound good, and have good technicalities but nowhere near the headphones at this price (Arya or LCD-2C) or substantially better than good quality $200-300 planar IEMs. Tonality is different but that's taste more than anything else. Timeless (1 or 2) is where IEM peaks for me personally, and diminishing return is hitting hard after that. At least based on my hearing abilities.

I primarily use the timeless 7hz, I pair them with my Classic 5th gen and my touch 7th gen. One of the best IEMs I’ve ever used. I also use XM4s and sometimes Sennheiser HD598s or if I’m feeling fancy I’ll use an amp and the Sennheiser 650s

This is legit... I loved my timeless but the tea pros make the timeless sound like an old fm radio station.

Sorry a $200 iem is nowhere near a really good one at a higher price. I've had the timeless and my clairvoyance, and it's not even close.

7hz, Truthear, Mangird, Dunu. Lots of different options at different price points, and every year the tech gets cheaper/better implemented so an $80 IEM at this point is pretty close to a $300 IEM from 5 years ago. Truthear Hexa is my go-to recommendation, has a really natural presentation and good bass.

bunny dsp/7hz salnotes zero/tangzu waner sg2. Personal recommendation - tangzu

ZSN Pro X has same build quality as zsn pro, so go for the 7hz. i owned a zsn pro x in humid climate and it died after only 6 months of use

I do. 7hz got less distortions and are easier to EQ. Moondrop is notorious for their bad quality, can't expect anything from $20 iem though. Overall 7hz are a bit better and more reliable.

I love the sound of the Blue 2’s, but I tried the Tangzu Fudu, Kiwis and 7hz - the only reason I’m considering others is because they feel so much better in my ears. But the sound signature has been better on the Truths by far

Hey, same setup here! The 7Hz really sounds great on 'em even without EQ.

While I found 7hz mindblowing years ago, nothing in twice or 3 times the cost of the 10 options ive tried has presented significant improvement. The Zero Reds, on the other hand, caught me completely by surprise, outstanding sound. We all know this is just my opinion.