TANGZU - WANER SG 2

Either Tangzu Wan'er SG 2 or Tanchjim Bunny. Bunny is out of stock for now.

Yes, go with that. Good for classical.

Wan'er 2 is small-medium in size. Tanchjim bunny is small size but out of stock and leaning more towards neutral.

Either wait for that or get the Wan'er 2.

Already pre-ordered them.

You can buy them from their own website for cheaper [(pre order)TANGZU WANER SG 2](https://tangzu.net/products/pre-ordertangzu-waner-sg-2)

AliExpress will deliver to the US.

bunny dsp/7hz salnotes zero/tangzu waner sg2. Personal recommendation - tangzu

Maybe you should try Tangzu Wan'er SG 2? It's budget friendly, and it sounds really good. Unless you somehow don't like the sound signature or a really picky audiophile. Then there's not much to complain about. But the best part is the accessories, Tang Sancai ear tips. This is usually sold separately, and generally a good and praised ear tips. Made from medical grade silicone too, should help if your skin is sensitive. If you decide to buy another IEM, maybe a better one. Although what's good or not is usually subjective. Then, you can rest assured knowing you at least already have good ear tips to use. But for your first IEM, this one is not bad at all. Try looking for the review here or on youtube so you can have a better idea of its pros and cons.

All of them have own advantages. All good just consider better deal and your preference of sound. Waner 2 is a good package for its content otherwise its on par with others. Wyvern is good looker, though fit can be issue as it quite large, I returned them due to this but I'd say best sounding in the 4. Cadenza is all rounder OK. CHU2 is good due to DSP.

i only have experience with CHU II, Wan'er SG, crin's Zero 2, idk bout the others, but chu II is prolly the most comfy, its light and sturdy, u should go for chu II, crin's zero2 is just good, nothing else, good is just the perfect word to discribe zero 2, wan'er sg early batch that i got (black&white) build quality isnt so great, the green one is the newer one, u can also go for the studio version, its better

New in the IEM community? Recommended to follow these things before using, while and after using your IEM. 1. Buy an IEM case or if you have case for it (like the Hexa or similar Truthear IEMs), make sure when you are not using it put it there to avoid accidental misplacement or possibly breaking your IEM or the cable, as well as avoid excess dust coming to your IEM. 2. Put a silica gel packet onto that IEM case, this is to avoid moisture seeping inside the IEM. Which is one common way to kill your IEM, it degrades the glue used, degrades the faceplate, sometimes even the design and finish of the IEM. It can also affect the actual drivers inside, which will degrade audio quality. Minimal moisture, happy IEM. 3. Eartips, make sure you have the best fit with the best sound isolation to fully experience the IEM. IEM nozzle sizes can vary. From what I have heard the Hexa has large nozzle. 4. Cabling, you are open to get a cable on your choice, use it like a fashion statement haha. 5. Recommended to get at least a DAC, its not a requirement if you cannot get one but it will definitely enhance your sound experience. With a much more proper DAC/AMP setup even your in-line microphone will sound nicer. Though because its much better to separate your microphone from the IEM cable, usually its recommended to at least get a USB dongle DAC with the CX31993 DAC + MAX97220 AMP. But if you can afford a better DAC/AMP setup, why not. 6. Avoid accidental dropping or being too rough with your IEM, so you won't need to always rebuy another set of IEMs. No IEM will survive especially cheap ones if it keeps falling accidentally or being used too hard. 7. You can EQ your IEM, definitely you can especially if you want to enhance a specific frequency. Lastly, enjoy your IEM to its fullest extent and welcome to the IEM community! My IEM Collection: QKZ AK6 Pro (left), KZ Castor Bass (center), Tangzu Wan'er SG (right) https://preview.redd.it/g3fy5z4hr2pe1.png?width=4860&format=png&auto=webp&s=6738c1bdd20d07099fbb122c99bd33a471c3b2ca

terms of vocals, nothing really beats the Tangzu Wan'er SG or the Wan'er 2. Maybe abit of treble, sparkles, and soundstage, that would be KZ Castor Silver. But vocals is still better for the Wan'er SG/Wan'er 2.

100% I would basically just add and test this to my growing IEM collection. Especially now I have owned and tested the original Wan'er SG. Left: QKZ AK6 Pro (previous daily driver) Center: KZ Castor Improved Bass (current daily driver) Right: Tangzu x Headphone Zone Wa'ner SG (tested, decent and amazing sound for its price, but Castor still is a winner for my personal sound feel) https://preview.redd.it/n06vww0aevoe1.jpeg?width=4160&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=929adbc51920b99189669a3df55df1e5c72da86f

Here's a better shot on my IEM collection, including their wires (only the Castor uses a Jcally cable) https://preview.redd.it/o8pbd3bhkzoe1.png?width=4860&format=png&auto=webp&s=272174ff663d3f3e19b836b44602eb45b097d142 I use medium QKZ stock tips on my QKZ AK6 Pro (left) I switched my Tangzu wide bore small tips from the Wan'er to the Castor My Wan'er now has the small QKZ stock tips (QKZ tips has both small and wide bore, but the Tangzu tips feel much better for my ears, less fatiguing) Later on I might try going for their Sanchai tips. Wide bore/hole = enhances mids and treble, I went for this for my Castor Small bore/hole = enhances bass Wan'er SG sounds amazing for daily use, definitely not super fatiguing, very mellow and light to the ears as well. Though it lacks some mids and treble. For my Castor Black, I use UDUU switches (natural bass and enhancing the mids and treble, creating a more balanced sound) Then I used the Tanzgu small wide bore tips, to enhance the mids and treble abit more. I prefer a V-shaped bright sound signature with some level of warmness, which the Castor Black does deliver on my sound preference.

I am doing the reverse from you, I came from bassy IEMs to neutral or neutral-ish. My old daily driver was the QKZ AK6 Pro (left most, too boomy for my ears now) Then switched to the KZ Castor Bass (Very very V-shaped, big bass and big treble) -> Tested Tangzu Wan'er SG (Neutral Warm on my ears) -> KZ EDC Pro (U-shaped) -> Tested then switched to the KZ Castor Silver (Neutral Bright IEM) https://preview.redd.it/7fb6i40ommve1.png?width=8100&format=png&auto=webp&s=5639f5828253e1796037c4592d784a93bd3eb8b3

I always tell people before buying your IEM, watch this [video](https://youtu.be/tdmXjBlgVxo?si=82265OfGs1grRYGx) from Stevensoul Constanza. Will definitely help you significantly to reduce or point your IEM you like. We can't just tell, this is a good IEM for "x" person because sound feel can be different from person to person. I myself have tried the Tangzu Wa'ner SG, and I didn't liked its muddiness and lack of treble. Though I liked its sub-bass, but lacking that nice smooth bass. Coming from a KZ Castor Bass UDUU switches for tuning. https://preview.redd.it/4bwuop29dape1.png?width=4860&format=png&auto=webp&s=08640edb86d91309a6e97e51ffe08fc6aea2d0fa I don't recommend these IEMs as well to the OP, but they are super budget options, below $20. So it depends on the OP. Especially that on the left, that's just for my memories, had alot of fond memories on that IEM haha. But sounds muddy now and bass too boomy vs the Castor.

**Before** you definitely buy your first IEM watch this [**video**](https://youtu.be/tdmXjBlgVxo?si=kNLxejchE9sgzW6y) from Sevensoul Constanza This will help you on your purchase of you first IEM, and to *avoid wasting alot of money initially*. **Also new in the IEM community?** Recommended to follow these things *before, while, and after* using your IEM. 1. **Buy an IEM case or if you have case for it**, make sure when you are not using it put it there to avoid accidental misplacement or possibly breaking your IEM or the cable, as well as avoid excess dust coming to your IEM. Higher priced IEMs have included case in the box, some are soft cases, some are hard cases. 2. **Put a silica gel packet onto that IEM case**, this is to avoid moisture seeping inside the IEM. It degrades the glue used, degrades the faceplate, sometimes even the design and finish of the IEM. It can also affect the actual drivers inside, which will degrade audio quality. Minimal moisture, happy IEM. 3. **Eartips**, make sure you have the best fit with the best sound isolation to fully experience the IEM. IEM nozzle sizes can vary, so adjust your eartips concurrently on your ear canal. Make sure it fits right and no weird feeling, you can definitely use different sizes of eartips per ear depending on how fitting are them, and eartip bore/hole size can also change how the sound feel. Wide bore enhances trebles and allows more sound from the IEM, narrow bore enhances bass, foam tips cuts the highs and lows, and the texture, material and whatever inside the hole of the eartip can change the sound profile as well. 4. **Cabling**, you are open to get a cable on your choice, with mic or no mic, use it like a fashion statement if you wanted to. But recommended to separate your microphone from the cable, as in-line microphones are usually sounds worse than normal microphones. 5. **Recommended** ***(but not a requirement)*** **to get at a DAC**, will definitely enhance your sound experience. With a much more proper DAC/AMP setup even your in-line microphone will sound nicer. Though because its much better to separate your microphone from the IEM cable, usually its recommended to at least get a USB dongle DAC like the Apple Dongle or for Android, CX31993 DAC + MAX97220 AMP from this [**Crinacle video**](https://youtu.be/a-jlS_OlSUg?si=Zm2oqWqnzwAcRkdO). Anything more expensive than that is mainly just additional features (4.4 balanced, Bluetooth support, app support, parametric EQ, etc.) and not better sound. 6. **Avoid accidental dropping or being too rough with your IEM**, so you won't need to always rebuying another set of IEMs. No IEM will survive if it keeps falling accidentally or being used too hard. 7. **You can EQ** ***(Equalize)*** **your IEM**, definitely you can especially if you want to enhance a specific frequency, or sound experience. And welcome to the IEM community! My IEM Collection: QKZ AK6 Pro (left), KZ Castor Bass (center), Tangzu x Headphone Zone Wan'er SG (right) https://preview.redd.it/miyj4ga15kpe1.png?width=4860&format=png&auto=webp&s=bf7493565ef1d740876677e2d4892bbf06bf2468

https://preview.redd.it/eamschpzsdte1.png?width=8100&format=png&auto=webp&s=64a34d73de9ac20e910cd7c60c1059ab51e04e8d I haven't noped out on any IEMs yet so far haha, lets see as I slowly grow my collection and future IEMs and upgrades. Maybe because I prefer mild or slightly coloured v-shaped/u-shaped either bright or warm. Maybe if I get the QKZ x HBB Hades I would nope out because of lack of treble and too much bass. **(from left to right, list is based on when I bought it)** 1. QKZ AK6 Pro (Original daily driver, memories) 2. KZ Castor Improved Bass (Current daily driver, may change to the KZ Castor Silver) 3. Tangzu x Headphone Zone Wan'er SG (tested and satisfied, collected) 4. KZ EDC Pro (tested and satisfied, collected) 5. KZ Castor Silver (currently testing, collected)

Personally, at 2k INR. None will have the clarity and details for some and many audiophiles. It kinda starts at least at the 4k-5k INR or above. If you want some details in this price range, go with a bright sound signature or V-shaped with prominent bright or trebles. Neutral Warm * Tangzu Wan'er SG \*\* * Tangzu Wan'er 2 \* Neutral Bright * 7Hz Salnotes Zero * KZ Castor Silver (Harman tuning, DDUU switches) \*\* * KZ Castor Pro Silver (Harman tuning, DDUU switches) \*\* * KZ x Angelears Libra X V-shaped * 7Hz x Crinacle Salnotes Zero 2 \* * Tanchjim Bunny 3.5mm \* * Tanchjim One 3.5mm * KZ Castor Silver (Harman tuning, UUDD switches) \*\* * KZ Castor Pro Silver (Harman tuning, UUDD switches) \*\* U-shaped * Tanchjim Bunny DSP \* * Tanchjim One DSP * DUNU Titan S2 \* (\* recommend | \*\* personally owned)

[Don't forget to read this especially on tips on making your IEMs last longer.](https://www.reddit.com/user/NinjaSiren/comments/1jil8re/beginners_intro_guide_to_iems/) Tangzu Wan'er SG PROS * Neutral sounding with warmness * Treble safe tuning, not fatiguing for long listening (for treble sensitive people) * Lighter weight, not so heavy in the ears * Better unboxing experience, and alot more accessories * Mids and vocals definitely stand out enough * SUBJECTIVE: Personally prefers Tangzu stock eartips over KZ (The ones I am using on my KZ Castor Bass) CONS * Lacks enough sparkles * Sometimes muddy lower mids * SUBJECTIVE: Personally, bass might sound abit not so "rounded" or not so punchy enough

**Before** you definitely buy your first IEM watch this [**video**](https://youtu.be/tdmXjBlgVxo?si=kNLxejchE9sgzW6y) from Sevensoul Constanza and go to our Community IEM ranking list, our **AutoModerator** automatically posts it. This will help you on your purchase of you first IEM, and to *avoid wasting alot of money initially*. **Also new in the IEM community?** Recommended to follow these things *before, while, and after* using your IEM. 1. **Buy an IEM case or if you have case for it**, make sure when you are not using it put it there to avoid accidental misplacement or possibly breaking your IEM or the cable, as well as avoid excess dust coming to your IEM. Higher priced IEMs have included case in the box, some are soft cases, some are hard cases. 2. **Put a silica gel packet onto that IEM case**, this is to avoid moisture seeping inside the IEM. It degrades the glue used, degrades the faceplate, sometimes even the design and finish of the IEM. It can also affect the actual drivers inside, which will degrade audio quality. Minimal moisture, happy IEM. 3. **Eartips**, make sure you have the best fit with the best sound isolation to fully experience the IEM. IEM nozzle sizes can vary, so adjust your eartips concurrently on your ear canal. Make sure it fits right and no weird feeling, you can definitely use different sizes of eartips per ear depending on how fitting are them, and eartip bore/hole size can also change how the sound feel. Wide bore enhances trebles and allows more sound from the IEM, narrow bore enhances bass, foam tips cuts the highs and lows, and the texture, material and whatever inside the hole of the eartip can change the sound profile as well. 4. **Cabling**, you are open to get a cable on your choice, with mic or no mic, use it like a fashion statement if you wanted to. But recommended to separate your microphone from the cable, as in-line microphones are usually sounds worse than normal microphones. 5. **Recommended** ***(but not a requirement)*** **to get at a DAC**, will definitely enhance your sound experience. With a much more proper DAC/AMP setup even your in-line microphone will sound nicer. Though because its much better to separate your microphone from the IEM cable, usually its recommended to at least get a USB dongle DAC like the Apple Dongle or for Android, CX31993 DAC + MAX97220 AMP from this [**Crinacle video**](https://youtu.be/a-jlS_OlSUg?si=Zm2oqWqnzwAcRkdO). Anything more expensive than that is mainly just additional features (4.4 balanced, Bluetooth support, app support, parametric EQ, etc.) and not better sound. 6. **Avoid accidental dropping or being too rough with your IEM**, so you won't need to always rebuying another set of IEMs. No IEM will survive if it keeps falling accidentally or being used too hard. 7. **You can EQ** ***(Equalize)*** **your IEM**, definitely you can especially if you want to enhance a specific frequency, or sound experience. **And welcome to the IEM community!** My IEM Collection: QKZ AK6 Pro (left), KZ Castor Bass (center), Tangzu x Headphone Zone Wan'er SG (right) https://preview.redd.it/gij71dscwjqe1.png?width=4860&format=png&auto=webp&s=8ee8a870b3fff4a20257519da341d419d23d9052

And for your question, IEMs for gaming maybe at or under $20 or less. Tangzu Wan'er 2 * New and will improve the original Wan'er SG, 2-pin 0.78mm (better than QDC) * Pre-order and no reviews yet so far. Tangzu Wan'er SG * Mellow and easy to daily drive both physically and sound comfort wise, one of the best stock eartips I experienced. Best low sub-bass I experienced. * Might sound a tad muddy footsteps especially Valorant, uses QDC connector. Moondrop Chu 2 * Great all rounder for competitive gaming, light and small, metal case and 2-pin 0.78mm. * Bass might be lacking for some, and especially single-player games, might be abit treble harsh sounding for some. KZ EDC Pro * General all rounder, punchy bass with good clarity and highs. Great for general single-player games and maybe some online games as well. 2-pin 0.78mm and light to wear. Mellow and not treble harsh sounding. * Might muddies out footsteps especially Valorant KZ Castor * Silver version - A more versatile version of the EDC Pro, has the better soundstage a bit, can change sound feel from a neutral bright, neutral, and abit bassy. uses QDC and might be a tad heavier in the ears, treble harsh especially at its treble and mid focused tunings. * Bass version - Best avoid with competitive games, especially Valorant. But great with single-player games that are cinematic and has alot of cutscenes and environmental stuffs. QDC and heavy as well. KZ Castor Pro * Silver and Bass versions - same with the OG Castor, but a tad bit physically heavier. There are definitely better IEMs on slightly higher price range of $50-80, but they might be expensive for you. You can wait and save some more money for a more pricey set.

tbh in the end, it boils down to 1. Tuning 2. Looks/Visuals 3. Accessories 4. And your music library or genres you listen 5. Treble sensitivity = sensitive, go to Safe tuning Kiwi Ears Cadenza is the safest tuning out in the two, but the tuning might not work with some music genres especially if you want a tad bit more analytical or technical. 7Hz Salnotes Zero 2 is a bit more technical-ish than Cadenza and with a tad bit more treble. The safe tuning is also up there with the Tangzu Wa'ner SG/2, which is fine for me but I still ended up with KZ Castor Silver because of abit more technical sound experience and generally abit more brighter feel. In the end its hard to say one is better or the other until you hear the difference between the two or atleast if you have a headphone then EQ it to either, or test your treble sensitivity via speakers or headphones. Personal experience based on my collection https://preview.redd.it/u014mhatspue1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8fba3241ae9d71167d526093ed0d263afe39ad07

1500 INR? * KZ Castor/Castor Pro Silver * KZ EDC Pro If you can at least push it at 2k INR, I would suggest * Tangzu Wan'er SG 2 * Tangzu Wan'er SG * Truthear Gate * 7Hz x Crinacle Zero 2 * Kiwi Ears Dolce * Moondrop Chu 2 Prices are HeadphoneZone, Audio Store, and Concept Cart If Amazon * KZ EDC Pro above 1.5k INR * Tangzu Wan'er SG 2 * Tangzu Wan'er SG * Truthear Gate * 7Hz x Crinacle Zero 2 * Kiwi Ears Dolce * Moondrop Chu 2 * KZ Castor/Castor Pro Silver

- KZ Castor/Castor Pro Silver - KZ EDC Pro - Tangzu Wa'ner SG/Wan'er SG 2 - 7Hz Salnotes Zero/Crinacle Zero 2 - Truthear Gate - Tanchjim Bunny

1500 INR? * KZ Castor/Castor Pro Silver * KZ EDC Pro If you can at least push it at 2k INR, I would suggest * Tangzu Wan'er SG 2 * Tangzu Wan'er SG * Truthear Gate * 7Hz x Crinacle Zero 2 * Kiwi Ears Dolce * Moondrop Chu 2 Prices are HeadphoneZone, Audio Store, and Concept Cart If Amazon * KZ EDC Pro above 1.5k INR * Tangzu Wan'er SG 2 * Tangzu Wan'er SG * Truthear Gate * 7Hz x Crinacle Zero 2 * Kiwi Ears Dolce * Moondrop Chu 2 * KZ Castor/Castor Pro Silver

All under 3k INR (based on ConceptKart website) Neutral (including warm and bright) * Tangzu Wan'er SG (neutral warm) \*\* * Tangzu Wan'er 2 (neutral warm) \* * Tanchjim Bunny DSP (neutral bright) \* * Tanchjim One DSP (neutral warm) * Moondrop Chu 2 DSP (neutral bright) * 7Hz Salnotes Zero (neutral bright) * Truthear Gate (neutral balanced) \* * Kinera Celest Wyvern Qing (neutral balanced) \* * KZ Castor/Castor Pro Silver (v-warm-ish to neutral bright) \*\* V/U-shaped (including warm and bright) * Tanchjim Bunny 3.5mm * Tanchjim One 3.5mm * 7Hz x Crinacle Salnotes Zero 2 (mild v-balanced) \* * ND Planet (v-warm) * Rose Technics (Roseselsa) Aurora Ultra (v-warm-ish) \* * Moondrop Chu 2 3.5mm (mild v) * DUNU Titan S2 (v-balanced) \* * BLON BL-03 (v-warm) * BLON BL-03 II (v-warm) * Kiwi Ears Dolce (u-bright) * TRN Conch (mild v-bright) * Moondrop Chu 2 3.5mm (mild v-balanced) \* * Kinera Celest Wyvern Abyss (mild v-warm) * Tangzu Shimin Li (mild-v bright) * KZ Castor/Castor Pro Silver (mild v-warm-ish to neutral bright) \*\* * KZ Castor/Castor Pro Black Improved Bass (v-bass to v-bright-ish) \*\* * KZ EDC Pro (u-warm) \*\* * KZ EDX Pro (v-bright) (\* recommend | \*\* personally I own)

I like the original KZ Castor Improved Bass, and still is my daily driver to this day Might also go buy and try the QKZ x HBB, I already have initially started my IEM journey from QKZ (CK5, AK6, then the Pro) Enjoy what you like and love 👌 Though I am now currently doing a test with the Wan'er SG (as it just arrived, also I know Wan'er 2 is coming, and I have also bought silica packets for these, less moisture) https://preview.redd.it/4zuciio1ogoe1.jpeg?width=4160&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ebd409ae8297df465174eae4deb71f6cfc09449d

Bassy IEMs: Under $5 * QKZ AK6 Pro $25 and lower (bass-focused) * KBEar Rosefinch \* * QKZ x HBB (OG version) \* * BLON BL-01 * KZ Castor Bass \* $25 and lower (neutral warm) * Tangzu Wan'er SG/Wan'er 2 \* * 7Hz x Crinacle Salnotes Zero 2 \* * Moondrop Chu 2 * KZ Castor Silver (UUDD switches) $25-60 (bass-focused) * BLON BL-03/BL-03 II \* * BLON x HBB Z300 * TinHiFi C3 Mk2 \* * 7Hz x HBB Elua * Kinera Celest Gumiho * KZ Castor Pro Bass \* * CCA Rhapsody \* * CCA Trio \* $25-60 (neutral warm) * Kefine Klean \* * Inawaken Dawn Ms \* * Kiwi Ears Cadenza \* * Tripowin x 0DiBi Vivace \* * Kinera Celest Wyvern Abyss \* * Tangzu YuXuanJi * KBear KB02 * KZ Zenith (UUDD switches) \* * KZ Castor Pro Silver (UUDD switches) Special mentioned * Truthear x Crinacle Zero Blue 2 \* * QKZ x HBB Khan (\* recommend)

$25 and lower * Tangzu Wan'er SG/Wan'er 2 * 7Hz x Crinacle Salnotes Zero 2 \* * Moondrop Chu 2 * KZ Castor Silver (UDDD switches) \* $25-60  * Kefine Klean \* * Inawaken Dawn Ms \* * Truthear x Crinacle Zero Red \* * Truthear x Crinacle Zero Blue 2 \* * Kiwi Ears Cadenza * Tripowin x 0DiBi Vivace * Kinera Celest Wyvern Abyss * Kinera Celest IgniteX Beast \* * Tangzu YuXuanJi * KBear KB02 \* * KZ Zenith (UUDD switches) \* * KZ Castor Pro Silver (UDDD switches) \* Or any other neutral warm IEMs, but the two Truthear Crinacle are the closest one with minimal mid-bass. Or go for planar IEMs, which their bass is speedy decay enough to be not too much mid bass: * SGOR Luna * Artti T10/T10 Pro * NiceHCK F1 Pro * Shozy P10/P20 * Letshuoer S08

|WARM|BALANCED-ish|BRIGHT| |:-|:-|:-| |Tangzu Wan'er SG (neutral warm)|Moondrop Chu 2 (mild v-bright-ish)|7Hz Salnotes Zero (neutral bright)| |Kiwi Ears Cadenza (neutral warm, with a touch of bright)||Simgot EW200 (mild v-bright)| All of them are good at their price point, but basing on your other IEMs, you prefer a mild-v tuning, either abit bright or abit warm. * KZ Castor Harman (Silver) which is a neutral bright to mild v-warm from switches * 7Hz x Crinacle Salnotes Zero 2 which is a mild v-balanced with a warm-ish feel * KZ EDC Pro is a u-balanced with a touch of warmness Kiwi Ears Cadenza has better brightness and air vs Tanzgu Wan'er SG, and personally experienced some minimal lower midrange mud with the original Tangzu Wan'er SG. Tangzu Wan'er SG 2 kinda fixed most of the issues with the original Wan'er SG, but its still a neutral warm IEM. Simgot EW200 has more energetic and brighter sound signature than KZ Castor Silver (Harman), but KZ Castor Silver has better soundstage and image separation vs Simgot EW200. Moondrop Chu 2 is the smallest on all of these, but might lack overall sound experience abit vs both the KZ Castor Silver and 7Hz x Crinacle Salnotes Zero 2. 7Hz Salnotes Zero is more neutral bright, lacks bass impact vs 7Hz x Crinacle Salnotes Zero 2. (fairly similar to KZ Castor Silver at DDUU/DDDU switches) * So if you want a little bit more warmness but retaining some balanced feel, Kiwi Ears Cadenza * If you want more treble energy and abit more analytical, Simgot EW200 * If you want a small IEM, Moondrop Chu 2

|WARM|BALANCED-ish|BRIGHT| |:-|:-|:-| |Tangzu Wan'er SG (neutral warm)|Moondrop Chu 2 (mild v-bright-ish)|7Hz Salnotes Zero (neutral bright)| |Kiwi Ears Cadenza (neutral warm, with a touch of bright)||Simgot EW200 (mild v-bright)| All of them are good at their price point, but basing on your other IEMs, you prefer a mild-v tuning, either abit bright or abit warm. * KZ Castor Harman (Silver) which is a neutral bright to mild v-warm from switches * 7Hz x Crinacle Salnotes Zero 2 which is a mild v-balanced with a warm-ish feel * KZ EDC Pro is a u-balanced with a touch of warmness Kiwi Ears Cadenza has better brightness and air vs Tanzgu Wan'er SG, and personally experienced some minimal lower midrange mud with the original Tangzu Wan'er SG. Tangzu Wan'er SG 2 kinda fixed most of the issues with the original Wan'er SG, but its still a neutral warm IEM. Simgot EW200 has more energetic and brighter sound signature than KZ Castor Silver (Harman), but KZ Castor Silver has better soundstage and image separation vs Simgot EW200. Moondrop Chu 2 is the smallest on all of these, but might lack overall sound experience abit vs both the KZ Castor Silver and 7Hz x Crinacle Salnotes Zero 2. 7Hz Salnotes Zero is more neutral bright, lacks bass impact vs 7Hz x Crinacle Salnotes Zero 2. (fairly similar to KZ Castor Silver at DDUU/DDDU switches) * So if you want a little bit more warmness but retaining some balanced feel, Kiwi Ears Cadenza * If you want more treble energy and abit more analytical, Simgot EW200 * If you want a small IEM, Moondrop Chu 2

then go for a single DD IEM or 2DD with neutral or harman/harman-ish tuning, avoid going hybrids or planars. With the price range there are decently ones but I am unsure if they include a cable with included microphone, excluding every IEM we already listed before: * Kefine Klean \* * Tripowin Vivace \* * Moondrop Lan * Inawaken Dawn Ms \* * Kinera Celest Wyvern Pro * Tanchjim Bunny * Tangzu Wan'er SG 2 \* * Simgot EW100/EW100P * ZiiGaat Nuo \* * Truthear Gate \* * ISN Neo 1 \* * BLON BL-03 * BLON BL-03 II * BLON BL-05 * EPZ Q5 Pro \* * TKZK TK-02 * KBEar KB01 * KBEar KB02 \* * KZ Castor Harman (Silver) \* * KZ Castor Pro Harman (Silver) * KZ EDC Pro (\* recommend)

Castor Pro (Silver) might be touch bit brighter (abit more leaning towards neutral bright) than the OG Castor Silver, OG Silver seems to have a little bit more smoother sound experience than the Pro Silver. OG Silver, even in FR graphs is more versatile from neutral bright to a Mild-V warm-ish tuning. On the Tangzu Wan'er SG 1, yes its really warm and chill sound experience, though same with your guess it sounded abit too relaxed. Wan'er SG 2 changed that, so you can definitely go for that one as well. If you like bass, then Castor Bass definitely. Imaging wise its better than Tangzu Wan'er SG 1, though male vocals gets drowned, female vocals does not get affected as much. This based on my own personal experience on all 3 https://preview.redd.it/pq76zelzj8xf1.jpeg?width=9720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1e9a811c03703d0c885fd03d7a806392ba2ec491 Though in the end, these are just subjective and personal opinions, everything will end up on your own preferences, likes, and dislikes.

https://preview.redd.it/td98t71r3hxf1.png?width=2400&format=png&auto=webp&s=fb2979fbe477efc32598af94ce3babf72a9716d0 All 3 are Mild V-shaped IEMs and 1 dynamic driver sets, and all are great all-rounders, they might sound similar-ish, minor differences for the most part. If you want a metal shelled IEM, durable enough, well balanced-ish tuning, treble detailed, good instrument separation, most likely not shouty, and best unboxing and nice set of accessories included. But "may" sound tad bit siblant, closer to Harman (some are tired of Harman), and lacking on eartips vs the others, and being a Metal shell (there are some issues on moisture with metal shell, which can be fixed by taking care of the IEM and case with silica gel when not in use). CCA Phoenix is for you. A little bit leaning towards a bit of a brighter but non shouty or fatiguing sound, good details, technicalities and instrument separation, and with its DSP version has app control and can be EQed via app to be as balanced as the others. Unboxing might be less exciting, cable might lack that pzazz. Tanchjim Bunny is your pick, full 3D printed resin shell, no issues on moisture on resin for the most part, but its plastic, case is fabric. (I would prefer to go for the DSP Type-C version, unless you prefer 3.5mm analog) Then there's the Tangzu Wan'er SG 2 Jade, If you want a vocal forward/focused IEM, a little bit warm tuning, nice unboxing, better selection of eartips (inclusion of the Tangzu Sancai tips, many love this), and a nice looking resin shell, nice looking cable, But may sound a bit shouty or a bit brighter for some, lacking the warmth for some especially Tangzu Wan'er SG 1 lovers, and no included case. (Two versions, analog and DSP Type-C cable, same as Bunny)

If you have never had any experience with IEMs, maybe you could try these [Tangzu wan'er S.G II](https://amzn.eu/d/gQa09ZN). I bought them for my sisters, and I tested one pair while mine were under warranty. They worked well for gaming and listening to music.

Wan'er sg 2 is great, most just didn't get perfect tip and fit besides I needed at least 2 weeks for burn in

They are amazing if you find the right tip fit and seal

Finally someone who likes Wan'er sg 2

Hey everyone, I'm looking for a budget-friendly pair of IEMs that are preferably white, have good sound quality, and work well for competitive gaming (footsteps, positional audio, etc.). My main priorities are: * Good clarity for gaming and decent for music * Comfortable fit for long sessions * Budget-friendly (preferably under $50, but flexible) * Preferably white, but open to clean-looking alternatives (My whole setup is white so I'd love for the IEMs to also match!) I previously had the LINSOUL TANGZU Wan’er (white version), but they didn’t really work well for gaming—positional audio felt off, and they lacked clarity for footsteps. I’m hoping to find something that performs better in that aspect. Would love to hear your recommendations! Thanks in advance.

Kiwi Eara Candenza green one and the Tangzu Wan'er SG II Jade edition, GOATED

Chu 2 dsp is solid if u have small ears, I didn't like the fit so I went with the Tangzu SG 2. Been liking them a lot so far. Will prolly be upgrading to kefine delci ae next.

After reading too many reviews I think am gonna order letshour s08 as my near 100$ iem Been rocking tangzu waner sg2 and it's surprisingly good

Idk, Tangzu Wan’er SG2 and Final E500 are both good as IEMs and as tip resource.

Yes and no (mostly no) To preface this, I'm an audio engineer with significant recording studio experience. No gold records or anything, but I have worked with artists who have gold and platinum records before. Anything I say is coming from a recording/mixing professional standpoint, not necessarily an end-user or consumer standpoint: IEMs *can* be more detailed, just like headphones *can* be. What you hear through them doesn't become more detailed just because an IEM is an IEM. It's about driver selection, construction, and tuning. You buy a $20 IEM, you get a $20 product. (Tangzu Wan'er) Mostly, these sound better than some JLabs garbage at Target/Wal-Mart (due to tuning) but they aren't ever going to outperform a set of over-ears with a half-decent pedigree (ATH-M40x and the like) When we get into the $500 range (like the Mega5EST) then you can really start to see the benefits of the tuning and driver selection but also the benefits of simple physics. BeyerDynamics can put out the same kind of treble extension that the Mega5EST can, but the M5E doesn't have to work as hard doing it. Those ultra-high frequencies die off in open air very quickly. Not so much when forced through a mostly sealed tube (your ear canal) That's a lot of your "detail". One thing I have never heard a dynamic driver IEM do (but have heard it slightly with some BA units) is get the sound of the bow moving across the strings of a double bass or cello right. Those little "skips" you can hear as the bow kinda barely jumps along the string surface. I can only get *that* kind of detail out of properly powered over ears with great drivers. Detail isn't all treble extension. You will never hear a snare sound more like a snare than through Neumann NDH-30s. They just punch and are alive. Tuning will also play a HUGE part by attempting to make up for the what the outer structure of your ear does to sound before hitting your eardrum. I dislike these meta tuned IEMs, mostly, because they sound incredibly unnatural to me. Bassy, recessed mids, too much treble in weird ranges. My HRTF and these tunings usually *do not* get along. You might LOVE them, though. Headphones aren't perfect, but we all can get closer to agreeing on how a pair of headphones sound between us than we can IEMs due to at least having our entire ear involved in hearing them. Plus... I would NEVER mix or monitor tracking sessions with a pair of IEMs. Doesn't matter how well it matches my HRTF or how "neutral" they're touted to be (Ziigaat Cincotres and their marketing it as "studio reference tuning" was a flat-out *lie* ) I know what sound really sounds like having recorded strings, guitars, drums, woodwinds, etc...

I'd take the Wyvern or look at the 7Hz Zero2. The Wan'er sounds like a paper cone speaker in the mids. No real detail despite having volume there. The Cadenza costs double the Wan'er and sounds worse. Muddy bass with no texture, blurry mids, and peaky treble that still manages to not get in the way. All cymbals sound the same. Just a slow driver overall. I own them all and I've tried them all with many different sets of tips.

Should have gotten the 2nd version instead. Mine just came in and I couldn't be happier for $16. Nice punchy bass, smooth mids and actually pretty detailed treble All in all I'm impressed. Plus you get a good cable and sancai tips

Sure. [Click here](https://a.aliexpress.com/_mqCZ9nH) I got mine during a sale, but $20 is still a bargain for what you get.

If you're looking to find your sound signature then just get two or three of the budgets. Truthear Gate, Moondrop Chu2, and Tangzu Wa'ner. 3 different sounding budget iem's.

Got into IEMs this year after a few wireless sets died on me..... Started with budget ones and now have a small collection - Castor Pro tuned for bass, TW SG2 for daily use, and Chu 2 for vocals/classical. Would love to try something higher tier like the Horizon (or the Odyssey 2) to see what multi-driver magic sounds like!

I have bought a lot of cheap kz and the kz zsn pro 2 is really good is above every one on the same price range I prefer it even above the waner sg 2

I tried chu 2 and tangzu waner sg2. Chu 2 has more bass, tangzu more treble. If you use a bad source like a windows laptop, Nintendo Switch or something like that there will probably be white noise with the tangzu waner sg. No noise on the chu 2

Honestly if it's a windows laptop even if it's good you might hear noise. I have a windows laptop that was $1000 like 3 years ago. With the tangzu I can hear some white noise. if I use my MacBook there is no noise because it has a good dac/amp. If you don't think that is a problem then the chu 2 has more bass and the tangzu are more focused on treble

If this is ur first iem. I think the Wan er 2 is the safe bet. On the iems u listed I think it's the one with high quality cable and eartips. It's a good beginner iem and if ur willing to buy more u wont have problems with buying new cables or eartips.

Definitely the Tangzu wan’er SG or SG 2. The Chu 2 is also a safe bet because it’s so cheap but I found lots of enjoyment with my wan’er 2

For the price point, fantastic

Hi! You commented on my post and I thought I’d come by to give some advice! I would typically recommend the wan’er 2 as a first pair of iem’s but considering their large shell size they might not be for you. The Chu 2 are a great set absolutely and can be upgraded directly to the LAN 2 ref also from Moondrop. I wouldn’t recommend going for the ie200 because they cost a good amount of money but they take on a neutral tone which might be to your preference, I personally prefer a “fun” sound and therefore don’t use them often. Also consider tip sizes. If you find your canal is too small, most iem’s offer small tip sizes and you can find even smaller aftermarket, in which case I recommend the wan’er 2 as they have my favourite ever tips in the stock box that I use for all my iem’s. Don’t spend more than needed, I would recommend the KZ castors, Cadenza, Wan’er 1 or 2, Chu 2, or, if it’s in your budget, the LAN

Considering you said "music listening" I am gonna name Overall best If it's your first IEM - Tangzu - Wan'er S.G 2 + Audiocular D07 DAC with Truthear zero Red auto eq 75 ohm (Equalizer APO + Peace Interface) If it's your second purchase - Kiwi Ears Cadenza If want something with heavy bass - Kinera - Celest Wyvern Black If want something balanced - BLON - BL-03 II I always suggest DAC cause auto eq may change frequency response to non existent, so you would need more power, DAC is investment and Audiocular D07 although is equipped with CX31993 DAC chip With MAX97220 Amp, I would recommend it for IEM under 7k. Good luck, have an audible orgasm listening music

good luck, but again you wont get out of the box great gaming iem, start with auto eq to learn, go for neutral or balance iem so you can change bass. Waner out of box for gaming ain't good but with auto eq it's awesome. You are watching product out of the box review, not more detail experiment ones

okay out of the box, they both are not meant for movies, but if you add DAC and go to the route of auto eq, I might just suggest you some great preset, specially for waner 2 and that makes it perfect all rounder. So my suggestion is Waner 2 + DAC

My favorite IEM (so far) is the Fiio FH3. To see if I could improve upon its sound, I recently bought a bunch of other cheap ones for comparison. These include Simgot EW300, Tangzu Wan'er SG2, Truthear Gate etc. All of them sound thin, boring, lifeless in comparison. I think it's mainly due to the bass. When I listen to these other ones, I can sometimes hear the bass, but I can't feel it. When using the Fiios, I feel it. It makes me bop my head to the music. So now I'm looking for an actual upgrade to my Fiios. Right now I'm using these with a bit of a boost to the pinna gain (+3-4db in the 4k frequency and a reduction of treble (-10db high shelf after 10k). I'm debating between: 1. ISN Neo 5 ($289) - Looks very similar to the Fiio on the graph. Also has a similar driver setup (1 DD + 4 Knowles BA vs 1DD + 2 Knowles BA). I'm leaning towards these. Hoping they'd give a similar sound to the Fiios but just better/higher quality overall. Do they at least come with an equal amount of bass? It'd be nice if the bass is even better/deeper/more impactful than on the FH3s. 2. FatFreq x HBB Deuce ($249) - I don't know much about these except they have a lot of bass. 3. Ziigaat Arcadia ($199) - Apparently has good amount of bass. 4. Xenns Tea Pro ($359) - Heard they might lack some in the bass department though, but not sure. Any suggestions or experiences with these to share? Btw, I can't stand sibilance (can't use the Simgot EW300s due to this) and I love to clearly hear (male) vocals and instruments (another reason I dislike the EW300s but love the Fiios).

I love my Wan'er SG II for both gaming and music

I’ve tried all of these and personally own all except the chu I would say the wan er is the best bang for your buck package, they’re all competitive with each other in terms of sound. Personally I like the sound of the cadenzas the most but the wan er comes with by far the most comfortable best performing eartips.

Storytime... For me, it started when my bluetooth speakers died this year. I did some research because I wanted something that sounded somewhat good and didn't have too much ugly bass. Bought Edifier MR4's. I was incredibly surprised with what I got for the 90 euros I paid for it. But they were wired and when I clean around the house, I like to use my phone to switch songs. So, I thought (although members of another subreddit advised me against it and that there was no gain to be had), what the hell, I'm curious --- I'll just buy a cheap DAC with USB-C & bluetooth and I'm completely set. I bought SMSL-SU1. Another surprise, I could hear that the MR4's sounded less muddy with that DAC (USB-C setup), everything was more clear. Even the bass was more accurate. Sorry, I'm not up to par with the "lingo" yet. I just expected the DAC to be more convenient in my USB-C/bluetooth setup. Then, I thought, ugh, I hate it when my ears overheat with my over-ear headphones. Last time I bought earphones, they quickly disappeared in my drawer. I tend to push the buttons everytime I put them in, very frustrating. Research again and I arrived at iems. I have 4 pairs now that each cost me less than 50 euros. These will last me a long while. Each have a different sound which can highlights certain music genres. That is what makes it hard, I listen to a little bit of everything. For example; the ISN H20 sounds heavenly with Nick Cave's voice. It can really make deep male voices shine. Very good for cello, bass guitar, anything with deep low frequency sounds. Dance music also benefits heavily from that rumble and bass. Female voices are a no-no with this iem, for that, I'd have to wip out my Tangzu Wan'er SG2 Jade Dragon. I still have to learn how to PEQ. That way, I can correct a lack of bass or too much treble a little bit. These iems are perfect for that. I also have a phone DAC, ONIX Alpha XI1 (at an amazingly good discounted price, love AliE) which gives just that little bit extra to these budget iems. Also, there is a degree to what you can hear. My teens and twenties with headphones stuck to my ears did do a little damage, I'm sure. I'm 43 and hear differences in quality and sounds and I can safely say wired audio has the capacity to sound better. It does depend on the quality (not necessarily the price) of what you bought, what your ears prefer and what your ears can actually hear. Also, there is the option of tuning. I've been in this subreddit only for a couple of months and even I am getting tired already of people saying that everyone is riding the hype train. It's just annoying that you feel the need to write a post about it. Fine, you don't hear a difference, you're the dummy for buying more. Not all of us are hearing ghosts sounds because of the money we spent. There are so many different products of every kind on the market with advertising all around. I don't buy too many stuff and if I do, I do the research. Then, I buy within my budget. For example, I don't quit my smartphone until it quits on me. You are easily misled by consumerism.

I bought my first iem & that is tangzu waner sg 2,but i am having trouble with equalizing it with every other song, as it is very sesnitive,any advice?

KZ Castor, Moondrop Chu II, Tangzu Wan’Er SG II are all great and less than $40

If you can go till 2000, go for the moondrop chu 2 (the safest choice) or tangzu waner SG 2 Been using sg 2 for a while the experience is pretty good!

Tangzu Waner SG 2 for warm musical sound, KZ Castor Bass for EDM and Pop songs, 7hz salnotes Zero for balanced sound.

I dont want to force your buying decision : Though I had wanger S.G , kefine klean , chu 2 and kiwi ears cadenza …. Chu 2 and kiwi ear cadenza are great … why you ask that metallic shell iems are not placed at the top … because they absorb moushire and can maybe end of clogging one of the sides in long run ( if you dont of take a good care of iem ) but kiwi ears cadenza are absolutely steal at 35 bucks

Both Wan'er SG and Castor Pro have specialised tuning prioritising different sectors. Wan'er chose "safe" balanced tonality with emphasis on vocals. Castor Pro takes a bold approach towards V-shaped balanced tonality with emphasis on bass. For many people, Wan'er SG has the right amount of bass. For some it is not enough. But for the majority it doesn't offend anyone except for people who are into more bass. **Wan'er SG doesn't have mid bass emphasis, so the vocals will not be muddy.** You are not doomed if your priority is vocals, because it's a vocal specialist like I said before. Castor Pro takes the "fun" approach towards tonality.

I haven't been exploring the current sub $50 much. But my long time favourite budget set is the Tangzu wan'er SG (not to be confused with the newer wan'er 2). It's fairly light on bass though but it's a very good neutral set and starting point. For KZ my favourite is the Zenith, it's slightly over $50 but I think is easily the best sounding KZ out there and it had tuning switches for you to experiment with. It uses a very good driver and tuned very well, it'll give you a taste of how higher end IEMs will sound like.

$20. Seriously, the chifi IEM market is crazy and there are a bunch in the $20-30 range that are really, really impressive. Based on your preferred tune, I'd suggest the Tangzu Wan'er SG or Wan'er II. I prefer the sound of the II, but the SG cost me only $11 a few weeks ago. The base cables are ... meh, but pretty easy to swap out. If you want a more v-shaped tune, the Chu II are also pretty great.

y not, wan'er SG was already a good IEM & wan'er 2 is improvement over it by providing a good cable and sancai eartips for the same price as the original

Man, just choose one by looking at accessories and sound signature. There is no ultimate iem, I myself had kz edx pro which have shitty eartips and cable but I was still happy with it, and right now i have waner sg which has better accessories and overall better comfort than kz. I did choose waner look for best one that suits your taste. Actually learning eq is more important.

please don't make the mistake of buying kz iems. just get the 7hz zero or zero 2. or you can buy truthear gate (best gaming iem under 2k). all of these are much better value than kz iems. kz iems have a terrible cable + they only give 3 pair of eartips inside the box & nothing else. while, tangzu wan'er or truthear gate or zero/zero 2 give you 6-7 pairs of eartips + a cleaning cloth or case to carry your iem + truthear gate has the best cable quality of any iem under 3k.

if you listen to both english & hindi songs, and prefer balanced sound then - truthear gate. but if you want a little bass heavy sound signature then 7hz zero 2. now, if you only listen to hindi songs, then tangzu wan'er 2. (note skip og wan'er sg as wan'er 2 is the upgrade & has better cables, better sancai eartips & better build.) these all sell for around 1.5k - 2k and skip everything else such as moondrop chu 2, any kz iem (dont ever buy a kz iem), skip og 7hz zero as well. SPECIAL: if you can spend around 3k, then just blindly go for 7hz G1. currently the best budget iem. proper v shape fun sound signature, with great clarity & separation. metal build. truly fantastic if you dont want reference grade & just wanna enjoy & vibe to your music with great clarity.

If you haven't figured out your signature yet , it will be very difficult to recommend anything ... You should buy 2 iems worth 20$ each with different sound signatures so that you have a basic idea . Remember these are not mainstream lifestyle products , so even if you buy a good 80$ iem wirh wrong signature u will be disappointed . hence rather than chasing the price , chase ur signature ...That will save you a lot of disappointments and financial setbacks in future .. personal recommendations (20$) 1. Tangzu waner sg (1 or 2) 2. Chu 2 3. kz zsn pro x 4. Salnotes 7hz zero 1 . they are all different from each other choose any two or three and figure out your preferred signature before investing 80-100$ on a single iem Goodluck .

It's ok! .. Salnotes 7hz zeros are neutral.. Well the first thing i would recommend, is to change the eartip ..try the narrow bore small size. It helps to lower down the brightness .. But if you have already tried it , then from my limited experience i think you find the signature too bright for your liking .. hence you try iems with "balanced sound signature" ( Tangzu waner sg 1/2 ) . They are comfortable for medium size ear canals and hold up to their reputation .. decent bass and easy mids and treble.. If you want to add another signature you can try something from the KZ line up KZ ZSN PRO X. it has punchy bass and bright highs ..V shaped basically. Extra tips .. 1. Go to youtube, learn how to use the Wavelet app for EQing ur iems . 2. try practicing listening to audio at volume less than 30-40% .. specially for longer listening sessions . 3. you can also add a dongle dac & amp for slight enhancement . like Shanling UA mini. Audiocular D07 ( look for mic pass through) / hpz x ddhifi dongle dac and amp .. cheers.

You probably don’t care much about sound quality; you just want to enjoy your favorite music. In my case, I’ve gone from the QKZxHBB to the Tangzu Wan’er SG, and now I use the Kefine Delci. They all have very different sound qualities and signatures.

moon drop chu 2 is a good option if you want a versatile iem. I have tangzu waner sg rn but the cable quality is so cheap of it

You can eq the Wan'er to up the bass shelf and that's it sounds natural and very good compared to the Planet, who is good, but not "budget legendary" good to me.

I agree with op. I just got the ND Planet and the Tangzu Wan’er S.G. The later can handle any type of music you throw at it. The ND seems to have trouble with up tempo loud music like metal, punk and EDM. It sounds really muddled. Classical and calm music it sounds fine to me. All in all a disappointment compared to the Tangzu. Edit: I tried it on my pc running through the Fosi Audio K5 Pro audio mini DAC & Headphone Amplifier. It sounds excellent not muddled at all. Have the bass and treble turned all the way up though.

Tangzu Wan'er S.G I wouldn't choose,they are nice sounding IEM just can be tiring. I would give a try Moondrop Chu II or Kbear KB01

Got Tangzu Wan er SG last week. Liked it very much. Wire is not that classy or sturdy. Haven't used other two.

I bought tangzu wanner sg. It sound amazing. The bass might be not as sting as The zero 2 but everything else seems better.

(amongst the iems have I owned) s tier: kiwi ears ke 4 and truthear hexa a+ tier: Ikko OH10, Pula PA02, Shuoer s12 pro, Sennheiser ie200, Kefine Delci, Dunu Titan S OG a tier: Dunu Titan s2, Tanchjim One, pre revision CCA CRA+ A- tier: Binary Chopin, Tangzu Waner Studio, KZ PR2 pre revision, Tripowin Olina SE B+ tier: Kiwi Ears Quintet, Tangzu Xuan Ji, Simgot EW 200, Truthear Gate and Hola, Tangzu Wan'er SG B tier: Moondrop Chu 2 and OG, KZ EDA Balanced, Kiwi Ears Quartet, Moondrop Aria Snow, FiiO Jade Audio JH3, Tripowin Lea B- tier: 7hz zero OG, Truthear Zero Blue, Whizzer BS1 C tier: KZ CRN D tier: Moondrop Quarks honorable mentions: Koss KSC75 in A minus, Porta Pro in B, Moondrop Space Travel in B-, Galaxy Buds Plus and 2 in A minus along with Airpods Pro Gen 1, and Galaxy Buds 2 Pro in A plus.

In your list, I vote for the Wan'er S.G. To me it's the most balanced and sounds the best. The Castor is definitely more bassy, and the Zero is pretty similar to the SG. If you can wait, I'd hold out for the Wan'er 2 and it's reviews.

Go for zero 2 or moondrop chu 2.. and if ur into smooth sound like relaxed then go for tangzu waner S.G

Smart move — the Cadenza is a great baseline for a relaxed-but-clear sound, but if you want to explore different tunings before investing more, here are 3 budget IEMs that each take you in a *distinct* direction: **1. 7Hz Zero 2** – Neutral-bright and analytical. Much flatter in the bass than the Cadenza, with crisp upper mids and clarity-forward tuning. Great for vocals and detail, less warmth. **2. KZ Castor (Bass side)** – V-shaped and bassy. This gives you that fun, punchy low end with some extra energy up top too. Totally different presentation from the Cadenza — more contrast, more spice. **3. Tangzu Wan’er SG** – Mid-centric and warm. Smoother treble, fuller mids, and soft bass. Not as technically sharp as Zero 2, but excellent for chill listening and vocals. Each of these emphasizes a different part of the spectrum, so trying all three gives you a decent “flavor map” to figure out what you want more (or less) of in a future upgrade. Also, if you're interested in a more strategic deep-dive on how to actually *learn* what you like and avoid wasting money as you climb, I wrote this breakdown you might find helpful: [How to Actually Learn What You Like in IEMs (and Stop Wasting Money)](https://www.reddit.com/r/iems/comments/1kd6j1t/how_to_actually_learn_what_you_like_in_i)

Overear style at around RM100: Koss KSC75 It is a clip on over ear style wear, but you can mod it adding the headband with mods join r/kossmods if you want to see how they do it DIY, very active subreddit Koss Porta Pro It has a headband by default if you don't want to mod KSC75, this headphone sounds bass-ier then KSC75 AKG K52 (K72 & K92 is more expensive) Sony brand entry level priced options is bassy muddy no clarity, not good Senheiser brand you need to spend alot more to have comparable level of quality Audio technica, Focal, Audeze, Hifiman Abyss, Grado all way overprice In Ear Monitor style headphones at around RM100: Moondrop Chu 2 (if you can spend more, get Moondrop Lan) Tangzu Wan Er SG (vocal/singer forward tuning) Blon BL03 (if enjoyment is what you want) Simgot EW200 (good "clarity" but very sibilant sound) I bet many people here will recommend KZ, QKZ, or CCA, i see too many reports of QC issue and DOA case to suggest avoid at all cost, very shady handling of stock All of the above are wired headphones, you want real good quality headphones, get wired, wireless cannot compare, because bluetooth cannot do lossless audio playback, even with Qualcomm Aptx HD or Sony LDAC Source: i can qualify as an audiophile, tried many headphones

Bluetooth headphone suck .. I used to own bose qc2, airpod 2 ,samsung fe... But when bought 1st IEM tangzu warner sg..then I went mad and now own ew300, hexa, aria2 ...next I have eyes on aful explorer..

Just bought the Tangzu Wan'er S.G yesterday

except for the build quality everything about this was so good, i had to replace them with the tanzu waner sg but it seemed to lack smth and wasnt that great, i am planning to get the castor pro tho in the near future but qkz x hbb is a gem.

Waner SG Jade, they just sounded so bad to me. A close second would be the Truthear Zero Red's, they don't sound bad, but I don't like the tuning at all. Also the nozzle size is too large and hurt my ears after a very short amount of time, even if I did like the tuning that was a Nope factor.

Wan’er SG don’t fit me well, I will probably take a shot with these since the shell seems to be different enough to fit me.

So this explains why I didn't feel any improvement when going to the Tangzu Wan Sg'er!! I had the same AKG's

I use the Wan'er SGs. I've used the Truthear Zeros before but I broke one of them. (Due to careless handling, not a manufacturing error). I prefer the Zeros due to the the bass frequencies better articulated but for gaming that's irrelevant. The game relevant frequencies of the Wan'er are perfectly fine I give my blessing for them for siege

I also have the same IEM, but its cable is a concern, especially when I travel by bus. The cable is too thin, so it doesn't stay in place properly when there's side wind. Additionally, the lack of a chin slider is an issue. I'm looking forward to upgrading the cable. Do you have any good suggestions? I found one called the XINHS 2-Core Silver Plated Upgrade Cable for IEM. Is it a good option, or is there something better?

Then go for 7hz x crinical zero I personally use tangzu waner sg they are good but i think the cable could have been of a better quality

First of all, welcome to the community. Those are still one of the best single DD iems, so I'd say you made a great choice. I love my wan'er and still use it after almost 2 years of ownership. It's made with cheap materials but it holds up surprisingly well.

They both sound good. But if I'm honest I don't like them that much. Once I bought the tangzu waner sg it lacked bass and non enjoyable treble with the high frequencys just hurting my ears. the design isn't anything special with just plastic. And the cable looks like after 1 stretch it is in 2 pieces but I just got them for 8 dollars from aliexpress. Now the Kinera. They felt Alot more premium and sounded also. It had a more enjoyable sound with a more warm sound with actually noticable bass and it sounds amazing with modern hip hop. But they lack when it comes to songs like oh yeah by yello, policy of truth by Depeche mode. So generally has a nice but non energetic bass, but if I say I don't like the tangzu waner sg but I haven't tried all music genres so if possible give me some genres that sound good on these Iems. But I think my next Iems will be the kiwi ears cadenza since they have a more energetic signature. But if I'm wrong recommend me some Iems to satisfy the problems I had. And the ratings: tangzu waner 5/10 Kinera celest 7/10

The kz castor pros are good so are the kz edc pro and cheap the wan er jade dragon is also good. Any of the ones you have listed are pretty good as well. I also like the ccz dc02 and ccz dc03 alot for their price which is usually sub 20 dollars.

I recently got a pair of IEMs ( Linsoul TANGZU Wan’er) for $25 and honestly, I like them better than my cloud 2s. I can hear footsteps louder and was able to tell if payers were coming down or up the stair (ground zero). I'm going to stick to them and probably get some moondrop ones since ppl say that are good.

I tried Kz castor wirh DAC Tangzu warnr Sony mdr xb55 Believe me if you use iem less than 4k, they are simply earphone with fancy design, headphonezone marketing them like God in music industry. My advise go for sony mdr xb55, they are louder than kz castor and tangzu,,and much better sounding than iem.

Yep get some with good treble if you play fps/comp games like valo bcs footsteps are way more distinct. If you play single player games try and get one with balanced sound signature. Fps/comp I'd suggest tangzu warner or salnotes 7hz zero (not zero 2) zero 2 are better for music and vocals. The above list are all pretty good as well.

First of all: I am not an expert in hi-fi. I'm just a simple man who was looking for good IEMs, and this is only my subjective opinion. The IEMs I was looking for should cost between $50 and $150 and should have balanced, lively bass with pleasant treble that does not tire the ears. So far, I have tried many IEMs and tested them on my PC and smartphone without any additional devices. No DAC, no amp. It was important to me that they were ready to use right out of the box. For me, good sound is when it is carried by lively bass and deep frequencies that guide you through the music, especially for drum and bass and metal. Low frequencies, and especially bass, form the basis of a good listening experience; that's the primary purpose of why I prefer hi-fi headphones, to get into it. My rotation: **≈ 50$ IEMs which I tested:** LINSOUL TANGZU Wan'er LINSOUL SIMGOT EW200 MOONDROP CHU II LINSOUL 7Hz x Crinacle Zero:2 KZ Castor LINSOUL KZ ZS10 PRO 2 LINSOUL KZ ZS10 PRO X **≈ 100$ IEMs which I tested:** LINSOUL SIMGOT EW300 ARTTI T10 Pro TRUTHEAR Hexa Surprisingly, only two of the IEMs I tested impressed me with their overall bass reproduction. I couldn't decide between the KZ PRO 2 and the ZERO BLUE 2, but in the end I chose the BLUE 2 because it offers the best overall package. For me, the ZERO BLUE 2 is simply badass right out of the box. These were the only IMEs that had this deep sounding I was looking for. https://preview.redd.it/fm66t5fl5uef1.jpg?width=4000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=87099e1c617e96b62bb51f28fe01520ebe96a0c6 https://preview.redd.it/pyn3x43m5uef1.jpg?width=4000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=721c67332e8f8dd3db7ed8ac6e948c098e174871

Pls bhai iem lele not even kidding, downside is iem's are not handy unlike tws, day-to-day life mei tws convenient h, but agar sirf sound matter krta h toh Bina soche iem le, tangzu waner is best for warmer bass vocals and extremely superior.

Havent heard but was also interested in them awhile ago. Though heard it went thru a silent revision not too long ago and it is no longer a bassy set. I also looked for a basshead set and got something else. It has quite mixed reviews but I still deeply love my 7hz Legato. Got it over 1.5 years ago for around $65. For reference, all the sets Ive heard: TE Nova, TE zero, Letshouer S12 Pro, 7hz Legato, Artti R1, Tangzu Fudu, Kz Pr1 Pro. Used to own the Tangzu Waner and TE Hola, but gave them away. If you really wanted bass, cant go wrong with Legato. Artti R1 is still quite warm and bassy whilst still being more detailed and balanced if you dont want to lose much detail.

a 20-50$ iem will sound much better than any non audio brand 10$ earphone and even rival 100-150$ wireless earbuds like a samsung or oneplus. an 200$ iem will sound better than an airpods, these are just logically normal things. when it comes to actually comparing against over ear headphones or speakers. under 100$ generally iems will be the best but there are some good like 70-80$ headphones that rival them. around 100-500 or even 1000$ you really cannot beat over ear headphones for sound quality, once you spend multiple thousand dollars then speakers rule. but these categories arent really comparable since they are used in different situations most of the times. people mostly use iems outside, headphones in front of a computer and speakers in the living room. I can say that on well mixed tracks you can definitely hear a difference, it does not make the song different or anything like that but you pick up on new details when comparing a 30$ iem to a 150$ one, but usually the more important one is the sound signature of it, some are very flat and neutral some are made for bass some are made to be the most clear and detailed some are focused on male or female vocals its all depending on your personal preference. personally when listening to just popular rock songs I do notice that 150$ ie200s have more detailed guitar sounds and more separated drums than 25$ 7hz zero's in terms of really high end iems, they arent really supposed to be competing with normal headphones or speakers but trying to get as close to them while still being portable and private so you can use them anywhere. at home I would not use my iems since I already have decent over ear headphones that are much more comfortable and are open back, but ofc I cant use them on the train so I use my iems. going into iems its probably a good idea to not spend a ton of money, 20-30$ options like 7hz zero2 or tangzu waner will sound much better than what you have in every way you can imagine for not much money, if you go up to like 80$ they will become more detailed and technically better but the general sound of the music wont change much. in the end they are just a piece of tech not anything elite or smart or whatever, like 1000$ iems and such are a niche and stuff most people wouldn't care about them, but more affordable ones are just objectively great value if you care about sound.

Will you plug them directly to Dualsense? Be aware there will most likely be loud hiss everytime the sound plays. Mostly noticeable when navigating through dashboard for example but not noticeable while playing a game actually I have qkz hbb and tangzu waner and both do the same. Only on dualsense.

I found the treble on Klean to come off a bit too unnatural to me. Also, the bass response didn't come off very satisfying to me compared to something like the hexa or tangzu waner. I actually like the tangzu waner better than the klean

Did the sharp sibilants of the KZ Castor bother you? If this is the case, I would opt for the Waner or Truthear Zero Red, they should be a good jump

I fully understand you I have the same IEM, and if it is quite sibilant, in my case the solution was to change DAC because there are DACs that amplify the region of acute, they are good but with that brightness That is annoying there is even saturation of instruments,I would try to go down the preamp to -2.2 dB and lowering all the frequencies from 6kHz to 16kHz, and I would consider changing DACs, it will make them more bearable, I just ordered the Simgot EW300 HBB, but as options are the Tangzu Waner and the Truthear X Crinacle Zero Red, they are much calmer in that area

Lmao u are so right I mean sound clarity is good but lacks bass and sometimes rapes my ears at high volume

And their fit is bad for me they don't fit inside my ear cups

I’d like them. It’s the sound signature that I’m looking for. But Tangzu Waner is better.

well you haven't specified your tastes but I am gonna probably buy the simgot ew300 dsp(or the simgot ea500 dsp) so probably look between them. Simgot are a really trusted brand with a good image so simgot should be safe. I have bought 2 iems before the tangzu waner and the yu xuan ji they both kinda sucked since they don't have bass. These simgots are an all rounder. If you can increase your budget even a little buy the aful explorer. Here are some lists you can use if you want some more info [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zeby9PqsTmHMRQ3D3n5W\_1Gx9aNPPK67yoBl\_FXdaF4/edit?gid=0#gid=0](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zeby9PqsTmHMRQ3D3n5W_1Gx9aNPPK67yoBl_FXdaF4/edit?gid=0#gid=0) [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XQtSH90BGK99Vij3dXcSylfwcut5XerPbkkEksFwATA/edit?gid=0#gid=0](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XQtSH90BGK99Vij3dXcSylfwcut5XerPbkkEksFwATA/edit?gid=0#gid=0) [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ZHVib50XFQW4up3SwOZUTbI-hZB6Ir5LX6XnZblIM6o/edit?gid=0#gid=0](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ZHVib50XFQW4up3SwOZUTbI-hZB6Ir5LX6XnZblIM6o/edit?gid=0#gid=0) hope this helps

I'd recommend tangzu waner. I don't recommend stuff like kz because of their QC.

You definitely like the tuning of the hbb more. I had a similar situation. My first high end iem was the Blessing 2 ($320 new) and the detail was amazing but it depends. Only well recorded music with decent dynamic range like jazz, acoustic, or vocal focused tracks did well. Bassy tracks, edm, and hip hop was not so great. I then bought the Tangzu Waner for $18. The tuning was much better for pop, rock, hip hop, edm, and ither bassy genres. After switch back to the B2s, I started to notice the deficiencies of the cheaper iem. Much worse detail, imaging, soundstage, and dynamics. I was curious and bought another iem a year later. The Kz Am16. This is where things got strange. Default tuning was really fun and bassy with amazing soundstage but something was missing. The vocals sounded thin and sucked out. I did research and started using parametric eq using auto eq towards ief neutral curve as a starter. Then found out I have a pinna gain around 6500-7000hz. After appling the eq to the am16s and listening to a few reference tracks. The sound quality actually exceeded my B2s... The am16 use lower quality BA drivers but when tuned right, they can almost resolve ad much detail. I did the same to the Waners and.. it made them sound 2-3x as good. The sound stage opened up, detail increased, and overall sounded much more balanced and refined. So to answer your question, the price comes from the material quality. The pricier materials aren’t magic, they simply push the mechanical and thermal limits farther out, letting your EQ changes remain clean and dynamic instead of compressed or distorted. Tl;dr: Find your preference target with cheap iems, use auto eq with squig.link, find your ear gain resonance and reduce till frequency sweep sounds flat, do not eq the 8khz peak if there is one(coupler inaccuracies), and make sure your source is capable. Then, you can increase material quality with more expensive iems :) Source: PC: Win11, Topping dx3 pro+ usb dac amp FIR 7 mode, music bee wasapi shared, peace gui with eq apo. Mobile: S23 Ultra, Usb audio player pro peq with bit perfect on.

I've the kiwi cadenza and tangzu waner. I would pick the kiwi for the more smooth and in-depth listening when I am in my zone. It is more comfortable and feels more balanced and being inside a closed room with good acoustics (I am not an expert, hope I am conveying what I feel). Tangzu is for casual listening. It's crisp, clear and pleasant.

KZ EDA, I dont use it anymore but still works. I was so amazed when I first used it, but only after using Tangzu Waner for a week, KZ EDA sounds like I'm listening to mono audio.

Bought Tangzu Waner a week ago, initial impressions are good. Cable quality is a bit cheap, but overall, they are nice. Vocals are clear, bass is okayish, good considering they are not built for bass.

you have 3 options: 1.- try your luck again to see if QKZxHBB works (at this price range, the most relaxed bassy one). 2.- Get Tangzu Waner beacuse of the pretty tamed treble and EQ bass into it (Or EQ the treble down ln any other of your iems so you stop wasting money). 3.- Or overpower the treble with bass with something like the Kbear Rosefinch. Other than that, under $20, i dont think there are that many "dark" IEMs to pick from, and this does seem to be a case of sensitivity. but BTW, do you like to listen at high volumes?

Dark iems, specially under $50, are hard to do because most people would be quick to say they are "muddy", i have QKZxHBB and i dont think it has much problems of sibilance, if anything at all, but is a bass centric iem, if you want clarity just EQ more bass into a decent iem, i also have waner and have tried a few bassy EQs and they manage clarity with extra bass fairly well, but is more about the rumble than anything, if you also want punch thats another whole story.

I wont call the Zero 2 neutral bright, is actually just balanced, and even a bit on the bassy side, if you want a balanced, kinda neutral iem, actually Tangzu waner is closer to that, also focusing on vocals, its a good middle groun, if you want to test bassy, you can either go for the KZ Castor Pro Bass (there is normal and Pro verions, both with bass and harman verions, you want to go for the bass version) to test a bassy V-shaped iem, more energetic, nice punch, and then you can check the Salnotes Zero original for something actually more neutral bright, leaning to vocals and treble. Also, you have alternatives like the Tanchjim Bunny to the Waner, the Kbear rosefinch for a "bass canon", or the QKZxHBB for a bassy relaxed very warm set, for better or for worse tho, there arent that many "bright" options on the budget bracket.

Best? Hard to say but Kiwi Ears Astral and Xenns Tea Pro are TOTL. While having both i want to say that you don't need such expensive IEMs for gaming. I play tarkov/arena and am highly competitive even with a $25 tangzu waner. $30 Tripowin Vivace $60 Kefine Delci AE $100 Simgot EM6L $150 Simgot Supermix4 $220 Ziigaat Arete $300 Kiwi Ears Astral $350 Xenns Mangird Tea Pro Pick your poison.

If you are really keen on being scrutinous in determining the sound you like most, I highly suggest getting something in the $20 range and go up from there. Getting something neutral like the Tanchjim Bunny, Tangzu Waner (any edition), Salnotes Zero (1) or MoonDrop Chu II would be a great start. BUT just get one pair. So for example, you get the Tanchjim Bunny first. Listen to it for at least a month, then if you find anything in the frequency lacking or copious, then find your upgrade from your findings. I hope this makes sense. My biased answer is for you to get the Hexa or 7hz Zero as these are 2 of my favorite IEMs right now. Cheers.

Tangzu waner are a good choice with mostly flat but slightly bassy sound. I have one and they're great

I still don’t know my preference, but I tried a few different iems SM4: I really like it, but sometimes hurts my ear after long use. Vivace: Great Details, great IEM but not enough details. KZ EDC Pro: I loved this especially for the money I paid for it ($1) Tangzu Waner: I didn’t like this :( Can you tell me what iem fit my preference? Thanks!

Fio jd 1. The cable quality is way better than the tangzu waner

Actually waner is not a gaming iem if you want to game you better buy other iem , you can use it for casual gaming not competitive, waner is for listening music i heard that the vocals are amazing in it, And which platform are you using for gaming.?? Pc / mobile i assume mobile because using a Bluetooth earphone for pc competitive is unusual

Still using a Bluetooth earphone for fps , most people don't recommend, you can use 2.4ghz dongle, idk about the new bluetooth versions latency but wired is always good but not for convenience, anyway tangzu is not gaming iem so you need to try other iems then compare it to the OnePlus earphone I was using a OnePlus Nord earphone and ill say that iem is better but you need to specifically buy an iem with good imaging and soundstage otherwise it won't be good

Not sure if these are within budget but the Tangzu YuXuanJi. I never realised I like neutral-ish. The bass is still there but not bloated. The wan’ers are good and enjoyable (I use them at work) but the YuXuanJi are better.

i love the samsung buds 2 and also liked the tangzu wan'ers (current dac: ifi audio go link). Do you think the simgot EW300 will be a good choice for me? or is there something else better for me.

Tangzu Wan'er, Truthear Gate, Salnotes 7hz Zero 2 x Crinacle. You can't go wrong with either of the three.

Gate if you want a brighter sounding IEM, Wan'er or Zero 2 if you want warmer. You couldn't go wrong either of the three but personally, I'd pick the Wan'er for its beautiful vocals.

Tangzu wan er vs this one which one has better sound . i have alredy tangzu also i curious about castor pro

I stopped reading at "Truthear Zero Red", that trash usually goes for $55-65 and "Bass-forward"? did you ever listen that thing? All HBB collabs are known for their bass but the zero red?. It's $60 for an iem with a cheap cable and cheap eartips, with a gigantic nozzle, how do you tip roll with that nozzle?. It's just one of the worst iems for a beginner and totally overpriced, you can get a better cable and eartips with the Tangzu wan'er at 1/3 of the price. It's 2025 with so many options, at this point it's just a meme of this subr recommending that thing

if you can afford 2 sets...get the Salnotes zero 2 and either the Chu2 or the Wan'er. They should have different enough sound signatures that you can start making a decision which you might like. Watch the reviews for the two sets you buy. Learn the lingo...and what it is you're hearing. That knowledge will help you when you're looking for an upgrade later on

KZ has a lot of decent value IEMs. I also have a set of Tangzu Waner IEMs that I really enjoy for their surprising separation and they make female vocals sound great. 

Tangzu wainer >moondrop,7hz salnotes

Is the bass in this version, true to the original? I have the OG blon, it has punchy and fast bass and warm vocals. Does the blon 03 II sound similar to the original? or bass is completely different? I am asking because I hate the bass on my Tangzu wane'r.. it has boomy shallow bass.. and doesn't hit the right spot in my ear. Leaves me unsatisfied. But I love the blon OG for the bass.

I like the forward vocals, some clarity and little bit subbass in tangzu wan'er. I want to upgrade on more better vocals, better bass and sub bass, excellent surround sound stage and better separation in the sound. My budget is 120$. Can you suggest me the best one a much better upgrade. I was thinking of ew300 at cheaper option and supermix 4 in expensive one. Is there a better option than this?

Tangzu Wan'er, Monndrop Chu II, Salnotes Zero 2 - they're all cheap as chips and you wouldn't go wrong with either of them!

I probably prefer the sound of the Wan'er, but I wear the Moondrops to s;leep most nights, as they're absolutely tiny. I prefer the style of the Zero 2 though!

daily driving kiwi ears cadenza, but i've went through a pair of salnotes zeros, and a pair of linsoul tangzu waners as well as daily drivers. probably gonna swap back to the tangzus once i get a new cable for em

Already ordered mine Those and the 7hz zero 2 I have the chu 2 They’re amazing The wan er too And the 7hz zero (original)

Enhorabuena por la reseña. Soy usuario de KZ desde el año pasado que me compré mis primeros IEM: Los Castor Bass Es. Hace unos días compré los Castor Pro Harman... y menuda decepción para mi gusto. Súper brillantes en agudos hasta el ounto de molestar. Quería algo menos basshead y no lo acerté. Devolví y me compre los Wan'er Jade. Espectaculares. Tengo en mente estos q reseñas, pero me frena el hecho que sean abiertos.... los uso en transporte público...

Tangzu Wa'ner. It was whiny, that's the best way I can describe it. It sounded like a petulant child, upset that it didn't get its way. Whatever frequencies that a child whines at about not wanting to do something or whatever, those frequencies seemed enhanced to my ears, and just like a want to smack a whiny child (but don't, of course), I wanted to smack the Waaaaa'ner. I gave it to a friend almost immediately.

Wan'er build quality isn't great. The tuning is OK if you mainly care about vocals since that's what they do best, but technical performance outside that isn't great. The Wan'er 2 has better accessories but they messed up the tuning a bit, the OG sounds better. The others are all good all-rounders (the Bunny is the only one I don't have, but based on the reviews it's fine, plus it has EQ).

Tangzu Wan'er, I didn't like them neither in tuning nor in material(it looked nice but felt like worst kind of cheap plastic) and after losing filters(I was a blue collar at the time) the treble was unbearable so I gave it to my brother who doesn't have any issue with them. Waner 2 should come in today as I'm looking forward to give them a second chance

I have no recommendations for you but just my recent experience. I am new to IEM but not new to HiFi. I purchased the much recommended TANGZU Wan’er and IMHO it’s a POS. Source is important. Garbage in, garbage out. Since you have already ordered the R4, that’s sorted. Next would be the IEM which is the speaker equivalent in HiFi. I would be spending most of my $ or at least as much as my source and amps. In this case about the same $ as the R4 for the IEM. Basic cables will work and makes less of a difference than the speakers (IEM in this case). Upgrade those only when you have found your preferred source and IEM. That’s (cables) like the seasoning to the main dish. No amount of salt and pepper can make 💩 taste good. Have fun 🤩 and mostly importantly, enjoy the music. It’s no fun finding fault (unless it’s so bad, like the TANGZU I bought that I can’t stand listening to).

Your post is awesome. Revisiting it a lot! Started the hobby about a month ago and got the Wan'er then the Chu II. I believe I like the Wan'er warmth better and it feels comfier on my ears (still tip rolling on the Chu II). I'm looking for a brighter IEM and a bassier one too just to know which tuning I prefer. Which one would you recommend?

Wan'er is a safe pick, zs10 pro 2 can get a bit spicy/hot but also a bit more airy and more engaging. ZSX Pro looks a bit lacking in bass and bright, though the upper mids/lower treble looks better than ZS10 Pro 2, maybe good if you use eq and boost the bass, otherwise I think it'll probably be too bright. Castor pro idk much about it it looks like the bassiest of the bunch, ppl seem to like it.

You can eliminate the Cadenza from your list because for me they have a warm sound, and from what you describe liking in sound you are rather in the neutral, so for me the Cadenza (which I love) is not for you, the waner's sound excellent for their price, but you say you already have the Zero 2, so compared to the Zero 2 you would like what, to have more bass, medium or more treble? Because it's not that easy to guide you.

Tangzu wan'er, the connection pin broke in November so I upgraded to final a4000

My first headphones were sundara. Then i got tangzu wan’er just to see what iems were like. Enjoyed them enough that i got 7hz timeless. Liked the timeless more than the sundara. Fit was part of it, but detail to i think. I got high and did an a/b one night to private investigations live by dire straight. With the sundara, i felt like i was in the crowd at the Hollywood bowl watching the performance play out. How awesome is that? I can be at home and feel like i am at a live concert? Tremendous. Then i went to the timeless. I wasnt in the crow anymore. I was walking around on stage just hanging out next to the musicians. I wasnt listening to music, i was in the music. Ok both are excellent but these win. Then i ordered arya stealth and was hoping they’d have the intimacy of the timeless mixed with the presence of the sundara. And i think thats a decent enough description. I love the aryas but i still feel them on my head and it sounds like listening to speakers. If i want the music to feel like it’s beamed directly into my head it has to be an iem.

For old J-pop, classical, and hip-hop?, Tangzu Wan’er, my friend. Smooth tuning, nice vocals, and enough detail to catch those background strings and classic beats. The ZS10 Pro's got punch but might be too shouty for the gentler stuff. And the 7Hz Zero:2? Clean and technical, good for hip-hop layers but might lack a bit of soul for J-pop vibes.

You listening to those genres too? Yes wan'er eq shape suit for multiple genres like that. But for breakcore is not suitable for wan'er.It handles electronic textures decently, but might lack the super deep sub-bass slam or ultra-crisp treble that hardcore synth lovers chase

Tangzu Wan er or gate are good options too. Both good iems for gaming

DUDE HASHDAJDASJDHA WE ARE SHARING ALMOST THE SAME ROUTE LMAOOO My first IEM's were some cheap random brand ones, but they got exactly the SAME design as those QKZ of yours, idk they were like 2USD from ali, then got my KZ Castor (Silver) tho using them UUDD, and just got the Wan'er, they were slightly more expensive for me than the Castor (with mic cable), but the sound feels extreeeeemely dull to me, they having a lot of eartips add a plus but it's just wasn't for me I guess (the cable was also kinda worse in comparison ngl). I was wondering which tips you prefered, apparently one set are the "bass" ones and the others the balanced ones, not sure which one them as I thought they were the same, I'm using the black ones myself.

I have Castor Pro Black and Tangzu Wan'er, for me Castor Pro sounds better more clear and detailed but the comfort on my ear is pretty bad I can't have It for long time, Wan'er on the other hand is just a little bit worst not much, and It's comfortable to use for many hours. So I would recommend Wan'er, is a safe option, I haven't tried Chu II It could possibly be a good option aswell since most people like It.

Tangzu wanger if you are on a budget

They're all cheap enough so i wouldn't sweat it. Wan'er and Castor Pro can be had for under $15. Little difference between them all, they are all good . Ps. Castor Pro's are ace.

Tangzu Wan’er - Overall balanced sound signature with slightly forward vocals. Good for any type music plus vocals heavy songs sound rich and natural. 7hz Zero 2- Overall balanced sound signatures with better bass than Tangzu Wan’er. Good for any type of music and gaming as well. You can also try: Moondroo Chu 2- These are More balanced than other two with good bass balanced vocals and treble.Good for any type of music. If this is you first IEM i would suggest you to go with Chu 2 or Zero 2. I have Wan’er and l love them but forward vocals not for everyone.

7hz G1 I had Tangzu Waners and KZ ZSN pros, masyadong elevated ang high frequencies nila.

Here's Tangzu Wan'er EQ'd to Stax SR002. It only really works if your anatomy is similar to mine. Preamp: -9.4 dB Filter 1: ON PK Fc 22 Hz Gain -2.0 dB Q 1.500 Filter 2: ON PK Fc 53 Hz Gain -7.4 dB Q 0.500 Filter 3: ON PK Fc 55 Hz Gain 1.2 dB Q 1.600 Filter 4: ON PK Fc 630 Hz Gain 5.1 dB Q 1.400 Filter 5: ON PK Fc 1000 Hz Gain -4.3 dB Q 2.600 Filter 6: ON PK Fc 1600 Hz Gain 2.8 dB Q 5.000 Filter 7: ON PK Fc 2800 Hz Gain -3.4 dB Q 2.300 Filter 8: ON PK Fc 4200 Hz Gain 10.2 dB Q 4.600 Filter 9: ON PK Fc 4700 Hz Gain -8.5 dB Q 1.100 Filter 10: ON PK Fc 5500 Hz Gain -8.0 dB Q 4.700 Filter 11: ON PK Fc 7000 Hz Gain 5.0 dB Q 5.000 Filter 12: ON PK Fc 15000 Hz Gain 10.0 dB Q 5.000 It sounds a bit odd to me. But maybe this one is not as good as SR003Mk2?

I have always loved my Tangzu Wan'er, but I feel it is underrated, at least within my local community. All the hype goes to Moondrop and Truthear.

Definitely IEMs are way better than headphones with similar price. I think the reason it's the drivers quality. A 50$ IEM driver will mostly be technically better than a 50$ gaming headset driver. Just make sure to check the quality of the soundstage and imaging (by reviews). Also a hibryd drivers (multi driver) IEM can be a game changer. I don't recommend a builted in mic just because an external one (even super cheap) will always sounds better. I love my Simgot SuperMix 4 for gaming, but I know they're not very cheap. I can suggest the Truthear Gate for that purpose or the cheaper Tangzu Wan Er

If you are a bass guy, KZ castor, if you want not only the bass but every other thing, tangzu wan'er, Do not buy from Amazon/Flipkart those are a rip off. I had a pretty bad experience with conceptkart, so I would recommend The headphone zone but the choice is yours to make.

Yup thats the plan; tangzu wanr was a surprise tho, excellent for the price. Very warm and crisp. Hope there is a little bit of more bass in for the warnr 2....

I forgot to add that, having tried several IEMs and owned 3, namely Tangzu Warnr's, Kiwi ears Quartet and now the FatfreqxHBB Deuce all under $250, and also having tried IEM's worth $400-$500, I must say that with Deuce I really had a a mind blowing expereince. I have never enjoyed Bass so much. Super exciting, excellent trebles and mids. A crazy all-rounder for the price. Probably in this price bracket, this is an easy top 5 for me!!

been using them for an entire year solely for gaming they cook.

Dude, they are so cheap, just buy the Wan'er and enjoy figuring out the difference. Then when have a bit more cash but the 7Hz and then enjoy all three. It's a journey to enjoy.

Gate is a tad bit better than the wan'er but a bit worse than the zero2, imo.

Not saying they are worse, if anything they provide better experience when it comes to sound. Just in my experience it hasn't been as useful as I thought when it comes to directional audio and it's product life, left and right audio is alright but not much help to me when it's any other direction. Also as an iem owner i wouldn't suggest buying it if they are thinking of using it for longer sessions. The wax buildup, cleaning, wire problems, pin problem are no joke when it comes to cheaper iems, they break easily. I have had moondrop sparks, blon 03, tangzu wan'er, monk plus etc and although they sound great, they all had some problems within a year or two.

I recommend to choose on the basis of your music preference, but castor is good for bass , tangzu for vocals , https://preview.redd.it/594207ilsyre1.jpeg?width=3000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=45c7d8ae407cb16602086e85c31d5c6f4dd38f71

For the sake of this thread I just compared my cheaper IEMs to each other (tangzu wan'er, moondrop chu, salnotes zero 2) to the dusk and the difference was night and day. The bass response, the soundstage the finer details I literally missed with the cheaper ones. The cheaper ones don't sound bad but yeah switching to the dusk is like going from McDonald's to a steak.

I have the Wan'er and the Zero:2 and generally prefer the tuning on the Zero2s. But the fit of the Wan'er are better for me. I still have the Zero2s as my office headset but I might switch if there's better bass on the Wan'er 2. I'm not expecting it to compete with better sets but be at least way better with music and fidelity than your typical office headset.

wyvern have not really nice cable and quality, tangzu wan er much better for this price (sound quality also better in my opinion) edit: mistake

i am not gamer but for music tangzu have a much better resolution and deep

Been using these for around a year now. I play competitive shooters and single players as well. Solid sound for both scenarios.

Hi OmenchoEater, I just read your review and other comments so I feel like I can trust you. I'm currently using tangzu wan'er and want to upgrade it to Klean. What are the sound differences between these two? I see that Klean has more bass and overall more treble than wan'er, but I don't know if the difference is too big between these. How would you describe the sound difference in terms of frequencies and quality in general? is it brighter than wan'er overall? Klean is currently on sale on Ali so I think I might get it because it seems like a bang for bucks but I want some additional info. Thank you.

I felt like wan'er has not enough treble, it has a good amount of bass that is punchy but to me it lacks that sparkle while having enough bass. Btw, when I try out different stock wan'er tips i can really feel some small addition to bass/treble. So now I think I'll go with klean cuz it's more balanced and refined overall. Plus, it comes with some kind of a cheap dac. I also ordered trn clarion eartips. I hope this will basically be my endgame. Thank you for your reply. I wish there were more people like you on this subreddit. ^^

I suggest getting the Tangzu Wan'er

It's less about being worth the upgrade if you already own one of the other sets, to me at least. I find that the question is more about just spending the little bit of extra money to begin with if it's within your budget. If it's not then an upgrade would also be out of the question either way, so that's not the focal point. As you said, the Cadenza just take EQ really well and have solid technical performance for their price, so even if you don't enjoy the tuning, they can be a really good deal. From there, newbies can easily play around with different signatures and AutoEQ other IEMs onto the Cadenza to get a fairly good impression of what they enjoy. I consider the Cadenza to be a great starter IEM for that reason and would argue that if you're looking to eventually upgrade or expand your collection, they are a top notch recommendation. Where I agree with you is that they are not ideal as a standalone one-of product. As part of an arsenal or as a first entry point they can shine but if you're only ever planning on one "do-it-all" IEM, then the 7hz Zero:2, Tangzu Wan'er and (as much as I dislike them) KZ Castor Pro are better in that regard. One last thing too, and this is a very minor criticism: Since you mentioned the Truthear Gate, which are considered very treble forward and the sharpest sounding non-KZ IEMs in their price range, I think it's a moot point to argue about the perceived sharpness of the Cadenza, especially given that a simple tip-roll can solve that issue entirely. I agree that the problem exists, I just wouldn't outright fault the Cadenza for that when other IEMs that people might be upgrading from had even sharper treble, even with better tips. Still, the default upgrade path here would go through the Truthear Zero:Red, not the Cadenza for most people and I'd levvy a lot of the same criticism against those as well (nozzle size -> stock tips, good technical performance, minor price difference to other entry level IEMs). I think it's more of an issue with ultra-budget and budget IEMs just not being all that different from one another and the most notable differences only coming once you invest more, which many people want but can't do. Then they opt to make marginal upgrades and end up disappointed at the lack of a difference. It's more of a customer behavior issue, not a product issue inherently if you ask me. Other than that, great stuff, appreciate the attention to detail.

Yes. I used to own the KZ ZS10 Pro, then moved to QKZ x HBB, TangZu Wan'Er, and the KZ Castor Bass. And honestly the QKZ, Tangzu, and Castor Bass outperforms the ZS10. I haven't heard of the 7hz Zero:2, but I would put the Tangzu Wan'er over the ZS10 all day. It sounds cleaner, and better resolution. Although the tuning of the Wan'er isn't for me. It lacks the bass that I'm looking for. I think from the 3 that I mentioned earlier, I would go for the QKZ x HBB just for it's bass quality (I still think this is unique from the budget price point), the TangZu Wan'er if you prefer a more "balanced" tuning, then the KZ Castor Bass if you prefer a V-shape, fun sounding budget IEM.

I currently own both the TangZu Wan'er, and the KZ Castor (Bass), and *used to* own the KZ ZS10 Pro 2. I think you should get the TangZu Wan'er. It fits all the things you're looking for. Balanced sound, clear details, and separation, better comfort, and no need for a DAC/AMP. And I think it also fits your music library of old J-Pop, and a bit of Classical. Although I wouldn't consider the TangZu Wan'er "FUN TO LISTEN TO". I just find it *okay*, not entirely "boring" but I just don't find it as fun and lively as the KZ Castors.

the gate isn't bad but is in no way good, I recommend for budget get the tangzu wan'er or the 7hz zero2. but honest at this price range it won't be any really bug upgrade if you wanna hear major difference you gotta bring your budget to around 50 with things like the simgot ew300, crinicle project red or the tangzu Xuan nv

You've got your eyes on a pretty nice set ngl. I got the deuce for myself so i might be biased to it, but its does pretty well on Hip Hop and other bassy electronic songs. Its tuned to be leaning towards the Subbass performance. On the other hand you can actually try the Tangzu Wan'er for very cheap. not exactly deuce level bass but its pretty good for its price.

Get an IEM. Wearing headphones in Malaysia for a long time can be uncomfortable. Just like others had commented, IEM like Tangzu and Moondrop are very good. Heck, you can get Tangzu Wan'Er for RM15+ in AliExpress (welcome deal)

Generic pop is usually mastered very well lol, it's just not aiming to sound the most interesting or complex. Good headphones can make generic pop sound better than generic earbuds BTW my recommendation would be 7hz zero 2, it's my favourite of the budget iems. I prefer it to the chu 2, tangzu wan'er and kiwi ears cadenza, but of course everyone's ears are different.

Heads up if you get the Wan’ers. I found the 2’s (like some did with the OG’s) shell is really chunky & can dig into your ear ridge. Nozzle was also uncomfortable. I have no issues with other big iems/nozzles at 6mm. Vocals are quite forward, fatigued almost instantly. Obviously sound is very subjective, I prefer balanced, warm leaning sets with good vocals yet these aren’t graphed too far from my other iems. Otherwise, they’re not bad. Bass is present but balanced, treble isn’t peaky, just the 2k upper midrange peak is probably causing my sound problems. Male vocals fine, female are more forward. There’s only so much clarity/details/separation etc you can get in a budget set but all seemed good. Can’t comment on the other iems but wanted to make you aware of the fit issues, especially as you want them for long sessions. You could be fine though! Tanchjim Bunny, Moondrop Chu might work better for fit. Both balanced/harman tunings, good starter sets. Step up to $35-50 is where the quality improves with the right set.

Try the Moondrop Chu 2. Small fit, quality metal build and balanced V sound. You will get improved sound quality with $40-60 iem’s imo but if you’re looking only for $20-25 range, then these are good start (again!). Esp. if the fit wasn’t right with bigger plastic shells. - Wan’er is vocal forward; 2’s are warm leaning slightly but more vocal forward around the 2k region (personally found these intolerable unless at super low volume). Chunky shells, not suitable for everyone - Cadenza’s - warm with balanced vocals but found treble wasn’t as detailed, felt a bit muddied but lots like these. Shells are small-ish vs Zero/Wan’er, wider usability - EW200 are balanced but treble can be bright for anyone sensitive to those peaks. Quality shells for the price - Zero’s - same fit as your 2’s but 2’s are much better tuned **Side note:** I made a quick step up from the Chu 2 (nothing wrong with them a starter set) to **Inawaken Dawn MS**. **Kefine Klean** was also on my list but the look was similar to the Chu 2 and wanted a different style and were only £36. Both tuning’s are similar but the lower treble peaks vs Klean made it preferable (both sets are probably the best sub $50 around). InAwaken is warm leaning but bright enough without any shoutiness. Mid bass is rich & textured without overpowering, excellent balanced vocals with smooth treble. Works great for varied genres. Despite the shell being bit larger vs Chu 2 the fit has been amazing. The resin build is high quality & so silky to wear all day. They have a shorter nozzle so sit really well with no canal issues. I would honestly consider both the Klean and InAwaken based from you already trying a few budget sets and wanting improved sound quality. The sets you listed are literally sidesteps. **If not wanting to spend more, restart with the Moondrop Chu 2 :)**

Sounds like IEMs are your solution. Get a 20$ IEM to see if the fit is good for you first. I’d suggest Tangzu Wan’er but there are multiple good choices in this price range.

I'm in the same boat, I tried Thieaudio Elixir and Tanchjim Origin against my Tangzu Wan'er but to hear the differences I have to listen at a higher volume and close my eyes to focus on the song which is something I'll never do 99% of the time.

I like to listen to Citypop too, Tangzu Wan'er would be the best value IEM for this genre, it's a relaxing set. Honestly, IMO if you're only concerned about the vocals it's not worth spending more.

KZ Castor/Krila, Tangzu Wan er, 7hz Zero 2. No EQ needed (for me at least) or if you want EQ, search AutoEQ for available setting and tweak it to your own liking. Great audio doesn't require money these days (in IEM space at least)

I have the wan’er and am currently using them as I type this. I use them every day at work in fact. Great iems, but I definitely find them better for bassier songs where as the kz zs10 pro 2(which I also use daily at home lol) are better for more higher note songs in my opinion. The pro 2’s are WAY brighter in the highs than the wan’ers are. I would recommend them both but if you’re looking for something to bring out really bright crisp kids and highs, definitely go for the pro 2’s, if you’re looking for more base/mid the wan’ers are better

I definitely do, after a while it just becomes too much for sure. Usually when that happens I just take a break but if you’re worried about fatigue I would go with the wan’ers. I use them every day for 8 hours a day and find they have perfect tuning when it comes to fatigue. Both are really nice though for sure. If kz is still shipping the pro 2’s with the really stiff non braided cord, I would definitely upgrade that, but other than that they’re both extremely solid

Tangzu waners are infinitely better than kz. Do not buy kz.

Following this if you don’t mind since I’m now looking for something similar. For what it’s worth from a fellow newbie, I have the Tangzu wan’er ($20) and now the Truthear hexa(~$67). For me I felt that vocals were not as forward in the wan’er and gets drowned out by the bass. I had to play with EQ quite abit to bring the vocals out. I listen to alot of pop and ballads and vocals are wonderful on the Hexa but I also think there’s now a lack of bass “oomph” that makes listening fun. A bit of EQ on the bass could compensate for that though! The response is flat otherwise which I think many have reported. I think some combination or in-between of these two would be a good option, if you want to narrow down your options.

I have the Tangzu Wan Er and the Kiwi Ears Cadenza. Between the two, I prefer the Cadenza. I listen mainly to Jazz, Bossa Nova, Folk, Eighties and Nineties Pop and Rock music, Classical and EDM. The Cadenza is warmer than the Wan Er, but the Wan Er has better treble extension. Cadenza scales well with more power, I bought an aftermarket cable with 4.4 jack. I use a Hiby R4 DAP and a Colorfly AKM based dongle DAC. If you don't have a DAC, the Bunny with DSP would be a better choice.

The usual recommendation of entry point IEM are all good. Of course I don't have all but I do have some and in case you're new and don't know, I'll name a few so you can start looking into them to see which fits your tastes better: * Mooondrop Chu 2 - metal body and small, very nice pick * Truthear Gate * Tangzu Wan'er (normal, 2 and studio edition) * Salnotes Zero (both 1 and 2) * Kiwiears Cadenza * Simgot EW100 or 200 * Tripowin Vivace - I just ordered this to try it as it has been getting a lot of praise and is supposed to perform way above its price range * Moondrop Lan - this is about 40 dollars, above of what you mentioned but I love it. Super comfortable, very neutral and pleasing sound signature. Full metal body, which is always a plus for durability. On the current sale I think it may be on your budget. If you have any more question just send them.

I am using Tanchjim Tanya and Tangzu Wan'ner. Surprisingly, I like Tanya more. This may be due to it not requiring the over year thing. Bass is respectable, mids and highs are good enough. Don't expect a good soundstage in this price bracket though.

CCA CRA+ and Tangzu wan'er I can both vouch for

I've been using this for months for gaming and other stuff in general. It's great!