Oh! You didnt try the extra firm Avocado then. If the BRB series 3 extra firm is around 8. The Avocado extra firm is 10. You should've tried that one!!
Note that Avocado has two versions of firm.
One is their standard avocado green mattress without any toppers. Just called "Firm."
The other is in its own category for heavier sleepers called Extra Firm.
I would not advise extra firm unless you've tried it out.
> *designed specifically for big and tall sleepers, plus-size individuals, athletes, and those who prefer an ultra-firm sleep surface.*
- Coils:
> Coils come in many different varieties of firmness. You want firm coils or the mattress longevity decreases and the mattress sags a few years after buying it. The trouble is that most manufacturers resist telling you the gauge of the coils. They also resist telling you if the coils are nested, which helps a lot. Most coil systems are row, not nested. That's because there are fewer coils in a row as opposed to nested. So the row lowers cost. Nested is more coils and better.
> Coil gauge is more important than coil count, though. Gauge means the thickness of the wire. A lower gauge means thicker, stronger and a higher gauge means thinner, more flexible wire. A 12-gauge coil is heavier and firmer than a 15-gauge coil which is lighter and softer. A mattress with 900 well-made, low-gauge coils is better than a mattress with 1,500 thin, under-tensioned coils.
> Many people swear by the old system wherein coils are strung together with wire. But most consumers and manufacturers say that individual pocket coils are better for motion transfer and again, nested is better, low gauge is better - if you can find it.
- Foam
> You want to avoid anything synthetic. That includes memory foam.
> You can choose between Dunlop and Talalay latex but a lot of manufacturers don't want to tell you the type of latex they are using. Most use Dunlop because it's cheaper. Talalay is actually the superior product.
> There are probabaly 10 different firmness levels of Talalay ie; density/pushback, and 10 different firmness levels of Dunlop. In addition to that confusion, (2) x 3-inch slabs of Talalay will respond and hold up differently than a 6-inch core of Talalay.
> If you decide on all latex/no springs, all one piece of thicker latex is better but most mattresses are built with 3-inch slabs for cost.
> So you are looking at trying to get a manufacturer to tell you how much of what type of latex they use. And then it's even harder to get them to tell you the firmness level. Most use the least dense Dunlop because it's cheaper. Hardly anyone offers a solid 6-inch core. But that's the best if you are going no springs.
- Fire barrier
> You want a wool fire barrier as it breathes better and is better for your overall health than a synthetic. Most natural mattress suppliers do make their mattresses with wool so that helps.
> Wool is an excellent material for a mattress. It's sustainable and natural and soft and comfortable. It breathes and it acts as a fire barrier. It's also cheap. So you will find a lot of manufacturers crowing about their generous layers of wool. It's great they use wool, but wool is one of the least expensive components of an all natural mattress. So you will see a lot of text devoted to how wonderful the wool is.
- Cover
> You want a 100% cotton cover. Not polyester or a synthetic. No rayon.
- Tufting
> Tufting is very hard to find and it increases the price of the mattress because it can only be done by hand and it takes about an hour per mattress. No glue factory assembly line. Once you sleep on a well-tufted mattress you will never want anything else. Most manufacturers are just gluing all the slabs of materials together. Not tufting. Tufting is better. Tufting = longevity. Glued slabs = shorter lifespan.
- Reviews:
> Most reviews are outdated. By the time you read the review or watch the youtube video the manufacturer has changed the components of the mattress you are considering. Almost all manufacturers are constantly looking for ways to reduce the cost of making the mattress. So they will use fewer and cheaper materials while pointing to reviews of previous versions of mattresses with the same names made with plenty of premium materials. They just won't tell you that the mattress with the same name and photo now has reduced quality springs and less latex. (*Looking at you, Avocado... but they all do this.*)
> So all those good reviews may not apply to the actual mattress that is now available. So don't waste your time paying attention to reviews from 2022-2024 if you are going to buy your mattress in 2026.
I got the avocado firm mattress and it was bumby and had fabric that bunched on the top, did not seem sleep safe or correct so I sent it back. Ended up getting a naturepedic and it’s very firm.
I spent well over a year learning about and reading about mattresses. i read thousands of reviews, made phone calls, asked questions, and did everything i could do to learn about what is best. my decision was to get AVOCADO. I also got the wooden bed frame. i cannot tell you how great it is. I have ni words for how wonderful it is. I got it 4 years ago exactly. It is just as good today as on day one. Its beyond perfect. I encourage you to go for it.
So, we sat and tried to compose a list of year/make/model/ what went wrong. Not so easy.
My spouse is correct it was 6 beds in 14 years to be exact. Memory foam failure is the #1 reason for having to get rid of each bed. Approximately $16k spent.
Sealy, Stearns Foster Avocado, Saatva, Tempur Pedic and 1 more (can't recall brand). Within the 1st 18 months there's always the start of the breakdown, like you feel that its not the same, then come the dips that become valleys and turning is no longer easy. All while complaining "another one bites the dust /is this really happening again/ wtf, all that money, its got to last longer than this."
We're done. We should have been done years ago.
Latex.
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