Green Mattress Firm (Tight-Top)

So many threads are asking: - Why do mattresses feel so different? - Why aren't mattresses lasting as long? I always answer: ["Tufting"](https://old.reddit.com/r/Mattress/comments/1o52ihl/how_come_mattresses_are_not_made_the_same_anymore/nj8lumh/) Someone recently asked me if anyone still makes mattresses that way. I was surprised by the question. I'm not an expert. [I know of a few](https://old.reddit.com/r/Mattress/comments/1o52ihl/how_come_mattresses_are_not_made_the_same_anymore/njg2lji/). I imagine there are hundreds. If you know of a manufacturer who makes tufted mattresses or at least one of their offerings is tufted, please say so. I would like to try to keep a list now since I guess some people don't realize this is an option? **Update**: I appreciate everyone helping... *************** These are just a few. I'll add to it. I just don't know about them all. (Edit - When I have more time I will go through and order this list from $ to $$$$. For comparison, I'll do queen size, least expensive tufted model for each manufacturer... knowing that many of these manufacturers make more than one type of tufted mattress.) - [Coyuchi Natural REM](https://www.coyuchi.com/products/the-natural-rem-mattress?variant=50239258460452) - $2,000 for a Queen. I doubt they are made in Pt. Reyes but that's their physical address. Shipped bed in a box style. - [Harvest Green Original](https://www.harvestgreenmattress.com/collections/organic-fiberglass-free-mattresses/products/harvest-green-original-mattress?variant=30393323880484) > $1,800 for a Queen. Chicago, IL but sold at a lot of furniture stores throughout the USA. Not sure if they do bed-in-a-box type shipping. - My Green Mattress: [Natural Escape Organic Mattress](https://www.mygreenmattress.com/product/natural-escape/) > $1,524 for a Queen. Lagrange, IL but they do Bed-in-a-box type shipping. - [Sealy Naturals](https://www.sealy.com/mattresses/sealy-naturals-hybrid/v/773/) > $2,699 for a Queen. Sold at places like Mattress Firm, Living Spaces, Sit n Sleep, etc. - Some models of Custom Comfort - Avocado - [Avocado Green Firm](https://www.avocadogreenmattress.com/products/green-natural-organic-mattress?variant=42732672549014) > $1,800 for a firm and it goes up from there. All their mattresses are tufted and most are shipped bed-in-a-box style. Fullerton, CA - [Saatva Latex Hybrid](https://www.saatva.com/mattresses/saatva-latex-hybrid) > $2,550. They don't bed-in-a-box ship. They have stores that deliver. Mattresses are made at many different factories who contract to make the mattresses to Saatva's specifications. Also their HD Mattress is tufted. - [Capitol Bedding out of Lansing Michigan](https://capitolbedding.com/craftsmanship-and-materials/) > No prices on the web site. I would probably be interested in the Tranquility. All their mattresses have silica fire barriers which I think is another name for fiberglass. - Wool Room - [Classic Wooly Mattress](https://www.thewoolroom.com/en-us/products/classic-wooly-mattress?variant=54397836525953) > $1,600 for a Queen. Prices go up from there. All tufted. All shipped bed-in-a-box style. Made in Chicago? - [Gardner Mattress](https://www.gardnermattress.com/contact-us/delivery/) > [Organic Ultra Luxe](https://www.gardnermattress.com/product/organic-ultra-luxe-mattress/) seems to be the least expensive and it is "starting at $3,400." I'm guessing that means the Queen is around $4,000 > All styles but one are hand tufted. Delivery available to Maine, New York and Massachusetts - Hemingway - [Havanah Pillow Top Mattress](https://hemingwaymattress.com/products/havanah-pillow-top-mattress-by-hemingway?variant=49034212868381) > $3,525 for a Queen. There are less expensive tufted options but not by much. These are sold at furniture stores in Southern California, Florida and Eastern Seaboard. > Google is telling me these mattresses are made in New Jersey by Mattress Development Corp who probably makes mattresses to specification for a lot of companies? Not sure. - Aireloom - [Coronata](https://aireloom.com/product/coronata-euro-top-firm/) > $3,700 for a Queen and I think this is their least expensive. They seem to have over 20 models. All tufted. > These are not bed in a box mattresses. You can buy them at Macy's, Mattress Central, Ortho, Mattress Central, a lot of places. Their address is Rancho Cucamonga in California. I don't know if their mattresses are made there. Same company owns/makes Kluft mattresses. > [Here is a youtube video of Spencer deconstructing a tufted Aireloom mattress](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjLzXpON76o&t=8s). There are about three places in the video where Spencer talks about tufting and why it's a good thing for some buyers. He doesn't say you must have it. But he explains why it has a certain feel and what's good about it. - Maybe one model of King Koil (I'll try to find it but in general, almost all of their mattresses are not tufted.) - Stearns and Foster - [Reserve (their only tufted line.)](https://www.stearnsandfoster.com/mattresses/reserve-collection/v/485/) > $4,200 for a Queen. Not a bed in a box. Sold at places like Mattress Firm - Kluft - [Macy's Hotel Natural Collection by King Koil](https://www.macys.com/shop/product/hotel-natural-collection-by-king-koil-violet-15-medium-euro-top-mattress-collection-exclusively-at-macys?ID=22982955) > $3,225 right now. There are many, many versions of this mattress. And the web site says they are all tufted. There are no prices on the web site so if you want one you have to really scour around for a seller, and hope the one you picked isn't out of your price range. Also, I think there is horse hair in the Bloomingdale's line. The other line seems to be if you have to ask you can't afford it? - [Paramount Sleep](https://www.paramountsleep.com/paramount/) - made on the East Coast. Sold at Bloomingdales Luxury - Not really affordable: - Royal Pedic: [All Cotton Mattress](https://royalpedic.com/products/royal-pedic-all-cotton-mattress/) > $9,262 for a Queen - Vispring - [Elite is their least expensive mattress](https://vispringla.com/pages/vispring-elite) > I found a retailer selling a Queen Elite (Vispring's least expensive mattress) for $4,900. These mattresses are made in the UK so I imagine some of the sticker price comes from overseas shipping or maybe tariffs? - [Shifman](https://shifmanmattresses.com/) - This is another mattress brand seemingly out of New Jersey. The mattresses are sold at department stores like Bloomingdales. There are also dozens of types of Shifmans. They have like six lines and then 5-10 beds within each line. I personally find the number of beds they offer ridiculous and can't imagine what is the difference between these 40 some odd mattresses they make. > [There is actually a Shifman Queen](https://www.bloomingdales.com/shop/product/shifman-willow-firm-low-profile-mattress-exclusive?ID=4571662) availab;e for 1,200 but it is mattress only and not tufted. You need a box spring with it. > [Heritage Grand](https://www.bloomingdales.com/shop/product/shifman-heritage-grand-extra-firm-mattress-exclusive?ID=5440040) is $4,000 for a Queen mattress only and it is the least expensive queen size Shifman tufted mattress I could find. > [Shifman Solace](https://shifmanmattresses.com/product/magnolia0967-8123/) - $7,480.00 - Savoir - Hastens - Mattsons - Nattiluxe - [Hypnos](https://www.hypnosbeds.com/us/mattresses) - made in UK and sold in a few places in the USA. Shipping probably prohibitive for most people? UK Only? - [Enchanted House Beds](https://enchantedhousebeds.com/mattress-makers/) in Devon - [John Ryan if you are in the UK](https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/understanding-beds/mattress-tufting-explained/) - Winston if you are in the UK. I think Winston and Millbrook might be the same company? > Apparently Millbrook is similar to Vispring at a lower price point. ********* ps - For good reason, tufted mattresses are about $1,000 more than glued foam slab counterparts. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think a good rule of thumb is that an all synthetic bed in a box foam mattress will last 5-7 years tops. Latex bed in a box can last 10 years and up. TUFTED mattresses made of natural materials are going to give you close to 20 years.

Note that Avocado has two versions of firm. One is their standard avocado green mattress without any toppers. Just called "Firm." The other is in its own category for heavier sleepers called Extra Firm. I would not advise extra firm unless you've tried it out. > *designed specifically for big and tall sleepers, plus-size individuals, athletes, and those who prefer an ultra-firm sleep surface.*

Harvest Green has 825 coils in their queen sized mattress. Avocado Green has 1,167 coils in their queen. As another user mentioned, what they don't tell you is that they glue a synthetic layer to the top of the coils, which compromises the effectiveness of the coils.

Avocado has - 16 gauge (narrow diameter) perimeter coils in the sides and header/footer zones; - 15 gauge coils through the center one-third section; - 14 gauge (thickest diameter) coils on both sides of the center section Harvest Green is not forthcoming about the gauges of their coils but they probably would answer if someone called and asked. All they say on the web site is: > *Constructed from 95% recycled scrap steel. Produced in our factories* It's also important that the coils be nested as opposed to lined up in a row and most manufacturers aren't forthcoming about that.

It's very misleading. They call it a "Posturized response comfort unit." This is basically a "slab" or sheet of coils. So they could just mean that they order the coils and then put the coil units together in their factory. They may think it's a selling point that they don't order the coil units pre-made into bed size slabs ready to glue onto a foam slab.

I like that they are tufted. Most latex beds are slabs glued together. If you move you can't put the mattress on its side or it slides apart. That said, Avocado discontinued their all latex mattress. They only sell hybrids.

Thank you so much for calling out the significance of tufting. I don't think all mattresses need to be tufted or that non-tufted mattresses are a bad buy. But there is a difference in the feel and longevity of the mattress when it's tufted. All mattresses used to be tufted before manufacturers recognized they could glue slabs together and be done. It's faster that way in an assembly line as tufting has to be done by hand and is a learned skill. I'm not here to say everyone must buy a tufted mattress. But I think it's important to be aware of tufting and what it does, and then make a decision either way. It's just not some irrelevant feature that doesn't matter. I'll add you all to this list. https://old.reddit.com/r/Mattress/comments/1o6uevm/tufting_where_to_find_it/

I think you had the opportunity to forego tufting in your new hybrid and decided to implement tufting. I'm impressed by that. Many mattresses have deep quilting which is a nice feature that may be meant to emulate tufting. But it is not tufting. I'm thinking of the Nest Finch which I like a lot but there are many, many others that offer deep quilting instead of tufting. I think it's fairly obvious that your tufting, avocado and all of the mattresses I've listed on the tufting thread are good quality. I could be wrong about Avocado and would need to check in person. imho the Avocado doesn't have as many tufting points as your hybrid or something like Custom Comfort for example. I take your point that just because a mattress features tufting, doesn't mean it's going to be well done. And at some price points the glued slabs might be a better buy than sloppy, tension-free tufting.

Note that Avocado has two versions of firm. One is their standard avocado green mattress without any toppers. Just called "Firm." The other is in its own category for heavier sleepers called Extra Firm. I would not advise extra firm unless you've tried it out. > *designed specifically for big and tall sleepers, plus-size individuals, athletes, and those who prefer an ultra-firm sleep surface.*

- Coils: > Coils come in many different varieties of firmness. You want firm coils or the mattress longevity decreases and the mattress sags a few years after buying it. The trouble is that most manufacturers resist telling you the gauge of the coils. They also resist telling you if the coils are nested, which helps a lot. Most coil systems are row, not nested. That's because there are fewer coils in a row as opposed to nested. So the row lowers cost. Nested is more coils and better. > Coil gauge is more important than coil count, though. Gauge means the thickness of the wire. A lower gauge means thicker, stronger and a higher gauge means thinner, more flexible wire. A 12-gauge coil is heavier and firmer than a 15-gauge coil which is lighter and softer. A mattress with 900 well-made, low-gauge coils is better than a mattress with 1,500 thin, under-tensioned coils. > Many people swear by the old system wherein coils are strung together with wire. But most consumers and manufacturers say that individual pocket coils are better for motion transfer and again, nested is better, low gauge is better - if you can find it. - Foam > You want to avoid anything synthetic. That includes memory foam. > You can choose between Dunlop and Talalay latex but a lot of manufacturers don't want to tell you the type of latex they are using. Most use Dunlop because it's cheaper. Talalay is actually the superior product. > There are probabaly 10 different firmness levels of Talalay ie; density/pushback, and 10 different firmness levels of Dunlop. In addition to that confusion, (2) x 3-inch slabs of Talalay will respond and hold up differently than a 6-inch core of Talalay. > If you decide on all latex/no springs, all one piece of thicker latex is better but most mattresses are built with 3-inch slabs for cost. > So you are looking at trying to get a manufacturer to tell you how much of what type of latex they use. And then it's even harder to get them to tell you the firmness level. Most use the least dense Dunlop because it's cheaper. Hardly anyone offers a solid 6-inch core. But that's the best if you are going no springs. - Fire barrier > You want a wool fire barrier as it breathes better and is better for your overall health than a synthetic. Most natural mattress suppliers do make their mattresses with wool so that helps. > Wool is an excellent material for a mattress. It's sustainable and natural and soft and comfortable. It breathes and it acts as a fire barrier. It's also cheap. So you will find a lot of manufacturers crowing about their generous layers of wool. It's great they use wool, but wool is one of the least expensive components of an all natural mattress. So you will see a lot of text devoted to how wonderful the wool is. - Cover > You want a 100% cotton cover. Not polyester or a synthetic. No rayon. - Tufting > Tufting is very hard to find and it increases the price of the mattress because it can only be done by hand and it takes about an hour per mattress. No glue factory assembly line. Once you sleep on a well-tufted mattress you will never want anything else. Most manufacturers are just gluing all the slabs of materials together. Not tufting. Tufting is better. Tufting = longevity. Glued slabs = shorter lifespan. - Reviews: > Most reviews are outdated. By the time you read the review or watch the youtube video the manufacturer has changed the components of the mattress you are considering. Almost all manufacturers are constantly looking for ways to reduce the cost of making the mattress. So they will use fewer and cheaper materials while pointing to reviews of previous versions of mattresses with the same names made with plenty of premium materials. They just won't tell you that the mattress with the same name and photo now has reduced quality springs and less latex. (*Looking at you, Avocado... but they all do this.*) > So all those good reviews may not apply to the actual mattress that is now available. So don't waste your time paying attention to reviews from 2022-2024 if you are going to buy your mattress in 2026.

We purchased Avocado based on the reviews by Consumer Reports. 4 years now and it still feels like new. We switched prematurely from a Casper due to hot flashes on synthetic materials. I swear by our mattress, it is more comfortable than high end hotel penthouse mattresses.

https://www.avocadogreenmattress.com/collections/mattresses/products/green-natural-organic-mattress We got the basic firm option since pillow tops on mattresses can be the first thing to sag on past mattresses. Couldn’t be happier.

My mattress was super pricey so caveat there. I chose Avocado premium firm. It’s been a dream for both me (MS + Connective Tissue and joint/lower back issues) and my husband. It’s also constructed with certified organic and non-toxic materials. They have a few showrooms around the country: SoCal, NJ/MY metro, DC All orders are still online. Highly recommend.

I bought a hybrid latex + spring mattress from Avocado (lol) - other brands make them. I found traditional spring mattresses tend to create pressure points for me, particularly for hips and low back. Memory foam is too soft and unsupportive and I feel like I'm drowning in it (and it's very hot, IME), straight latex is very heavy and kind of unmanageable as well as slightly too firm by itself. I did not get my mattress with the built in squishy topper because I didn't want to yeet all my standard size sheets, and I regret it - post back surgery I feel it's a little too firm for me (standard firmness for my mattress is 'medium-firm' which is good for belly sleepers, my partner is one). My back does feel supported laying on my stomach but I'm a G cup so no surface is going to accomodate that. Saatva also makes hybrid mattresses with either memory foam or latex - personally I hate memory foam so I would never consider it, but Saatva was a top contender when I bought my last mattress, and I did go test one before I bought it. Ultimately Avocado was slightly cheaper and had a better warranty period/return policy, though obv. I kept mine.

It's not cheap but I like my Avocado Green. I've also been getting ads for Saatva and heard good things about Purple.

My green mattress. Just upgraded from Saatva. We like it firmer.

Haven't tried the Birch Natural matress but I have the Avocado Green Mattress and I love it! It’s made with natural latex, organic wool, and cotton, has good edge support. Soft but has a good form. There was a light scent when it first arrived but I hardly noticed it after a couple hours