Organic Latex Mattress

Avocado latex mattress is the holy grail for me, had it for about seven years and still love it.

Thank you so much for doing this AMA. A few thoughts from me: - I can tell you know a lot about regional manufacturers. That's rare. Unfortunately, the advice to look around locally for independents is easier said than done. Even in a huge market like Los Angeles you've got Royal Pedic, Custom Comfort or Avocado if you want an all natural mattress made within in an hour of your home. Berkeley Ergonomics is made in Ontario but you can't go to the factory and buy a mattress from them. And their retailers are scarce. It's crazy there isn't anying in Los Angeles like European Sleepworks (Bay Area), Prana (Florida), or Charles P. Rogers (New York). - Did you know that Avocado just changed their all latex mattress within the last 60 days? Previously the all latex mattress was > 2 inches of Dunlop (D65 / 14-19 ILD) latex in the top layer > 3 inches of (D75 / 28-33 ILD) in the middle > 4 inches of (D75) at the base. - The new all latex Avocado mattress is: > 6 inches (N4) Talalay in the top layer (30-35 ILD) > 3 inches of (D65) Dunlop (14-19 ILD) at the base. > **These specs make no sense to me as it seems like the bottom layer is softer. Maybe I'm misunderstanding their web site. I have no idea what N4 means** - I wish Avocado would just do a 6-inch/7-zone core like Royal Pedic. I don't understand the need for 3-inches of Dunlop unless they are using lesser quality Talalay. > Avocado still stuffs their mattresses in boxes and Custom Comfort does not. The features that enable a mattress to fit into a box are the features that make that same mattress less durable. Less long lasting. A mattress that ships flat is preferable to one that comes in a box. But that means you are stuck with a local manufacturer which getting back to first point - is rarer than it should be. You can always flat ship a mattress across the country but shipping will be the same price as the mattress. Forget free shipping on a mattress that ships flat. - I notice you underscoring the value of tufting in many of your comments. With the advent of pocket coils anyone can buy slabs of anything and glue it all together. Tufting is a unique feel that you could never replicate with glued slabs. Not that tufting is the only way to go. Plenty of glued slab mattresses are great depending on the user. - Avocado tufts all their mattresses which is a nice feature at that price point. - I noticed you didn't mention Nest. The Finch is: > 3 inches Talalay (28 ILD Medium or 36 ILD Firm) on the top layer > 6 inches 36 ILD Talalay as the bottom layer. - The top layer of the Nest Finch is a quilted cotton, wool and eco-foam, whatever that is... I made a post here when I first started looking: https://old.reddit.com/r/Mattress/comments/1jswv49/my_latex_mattress_research_so_far_which_of_these/ I also made a post about tufting recently. https://old.reddit.com/r/Mattress/comments/1o6uevm/tufting_where_to_find_it/ I was surprised to get pushback from one prominent manufacturer about how tufting is unnecessary. I know it's personal preference but I wouldn't say it's irrelevant or unnecesary.

- My Current Queen Sized Mattress: [**9-inch Royal Pedic Latex Quilt-Top Mattress.**](https://royalpedic.com/products/royal-latex-quilt-top-mattress/) > All Cotton Covering > French Wool layer > 6-inch Ergonomical 7-Zone Talalay Latex Core > Pin-Core, Two Sided Construction >> *The 7-zone core and two-sided construction are what I will miss. The core is all one piece. Not layers.* >> *Out of my price range right now and I will be moving in about two years. And this mattress will be very hard to move.* >> *My box spring is in amazing condition and I would love to keep it. 50% more modular supports in the center-third of the box spring unit. The coil wire is heavy duty 8 3/4 gauge as compared to 9 1/2 gauge as standard. Mounted on 5-Star hotel grade wide slat construction. Upholstered with cotton padding and heavy duty cotton fabric undercloth. Royal-Pedic box springs have flexiblity providing an extra layer of suspension.* - Option 1: [**Berkley Ergonomics Linden**](https://berkeleyergo.com/products/berkeley-ergonomics-copenhagen-talalay-latex-10-latex-mattress?variant=42174737743983) ($3,000) > Gently zoned 6 inch Talalay support core > 2 inch Talalay comfort layer > Cover made with 100% organic cotton quilted to 100% pure Plein Air wool > 1-inch Talalay topper = $949.00 USD >> *This is also more than I want to spend. I'm considering it as it will be a little over half of a replacement Royal Latex.* - Option 2: [**Plush beds 9” Botanical Bliss**](https://www.plushbeds.com/products/the-botanical-bliss-organic-latex-mattress?variant=18770039242850) ($1,849) > Quilted cotton cover + 1 - inch organic wool. > 2-inch latex comfort layer - probably Dunlop > 6-inch Dunlop latex core >> *The price is about right but I want to try to get Talalay if I can.Price is more around what I'm willing to pay.* - Option 3: [**Nest Finch**](https://www.nestbedding.com/products/finch-natural-latex-mattress) ($2,149) > [1.5 inch Eco flex quilting foam cover](https://www.nestbedding.com/cdn/shop/products/detail-lark_01_800x570.jpg?v=1634886999) >> *Does anyone know what Eco flex is?* > 3-inches Talalay > 6-inches Talalay >> *This is a really strong contender for me. All Talalay and I like the quilted cover even though it's not natural material. I really wish we could buy the Fawcett Mattress in the USA. This is the closest I can find to the Fawcett.* >> [*Drawback: What is Eco-flex polyfoam and why would someone put it between the human and the Talalay?*](https://forum.mattressunderground.com/t/ecoflex-foam-quality/2901/1). I get it you need a top layer but why not wool/cotton? - Option 4: [**My Green Mattress, Nature Escape**](https://www.mygreenmattress.com/product/natural-escape/) ($1,444) > 8-inches of coils > 3-inches of Dunlop latex > Wool quilted cover, Button Tufted > 2-inch Dunlop Topper $254 >> *This is one of the few and maybe the only coil mattress I'm considering. The price is really good. And it's got some latex albeit Dunlop. The trade-off is the price. I would say they have good reviews but I kind of ignore reviews.* - Option 4: [**Sleep on Latex, Pure Green**](https://sleeponlatex.com/products/natural-latex-mattress) ($1,099) > Comfort Layer - 2 inches medium Dunlop > Base Layer - 6 inches firm Dunlop = 8 inches Dunlop Latex. Layers are laminated together > Cotton Knit Facing, Wool Batting, Cotton Quiltbacking > 2-inch Dunlop Topper = $165 >> *This is another strong contender due to price and everyone here seems to like them.* - Option 5: [**Latex Mattress Factory, Luxerion**](https://latexmattressfactory.com/products/luxerion-latex-mattress?variant=42374210453557), 10-inch ($1,249) > 3 x 3-inch Layers of Dunlop Latex > 1-inch of Wool > Cotton Zipper Cover > 2-inch Talalay Topper ($351) >> *Another well-priced option but funky sales practices, and again, so many layers. It's clear to me that layers are how these companies stay in business. No one can afford to offer a 7-9 inch solid piece of Talalay, like the Royal Pedic* - Option 6: [**Sleep EZ 7-inch Latex**](https://sleepez.com/product/organic-latex-mattress/) ($1,521) > 2 x 3-inch layers of Talalay, Firm, Medium > Zippered Quilted Cotton Cover > Wool & Latex Topper ($640) >> *There's a reason why this is basically the same construction as the Mattress Factory but double the price. I don't love the 3 x layers again - having already said why. But I do like the all Talalay. I like the quilted cover.* - Option 6A: [**Select Sleep 7-inch Latex**](https://sleepez.com/product/organic-latex-mattress/) > 2 x 3-inch layers of Talalay, Firm, Medium > Zippered Quilted Cotton Cover designed specifically for the 7-inch version. > *Very strong contender in that I can't see a reason for the third layer. - Option 7: ~~[**Avocado Latex**](https://www.avocadogreenmattress.com/collections/latex-mattresses/products/organic-latex-foam-mattress?variant=36584427389078)~~ ($3,299) > ~~2 inches of Dunlop latex in the top comfort layer (D65 / 14-19 ILD, soft)~~ > ~~3 inches of firm Dunlop latex (D75) in the middle~~ > ~~4 inches of firm Dunlop latex (D75) at the base.~~ > ~~wool (1 ounce per square foot) under the cotton ticking~~ > ~~Tufted, Greenguard, Out of Stock.~~ > ~~2 inch Talalay Topper: $494~~ >> ~~*This might be my mattress. Just over the top of what I want to spend but I like how it's tufted to hold it together. And I think I might be very influenced by the appearance and marketing.*~~ >> Update: I messaged them on their web site and the all latex mattress is being discontinued. This is so annoying. I wonder how many other people are waiting for this mattress to be back "in stock." There is an option to enter your email address to be notified when it is "back in stock." I feel like they leave that up to collect email addresses they can use for future marketing or when they sell. Regardless, 9-inches of latex and the wool layer was attractive to me and this was a strong contender. I'm annoyed. - Option 7A: [**Avocado Latex**](https://www.avocadogreenmattress.com/products/organic-latex-foam-mattress?variant=36584427389078)~~ ($3,499) > **October, 2025 Update:** Avocado has a new all-latex mattress that includes Talalay now. >> 6 inches (N4) Talalay in the top layer (30-35 ILD) >> 3 inches of (D65) Dunlop (14-19 ILD) as the base >> Organic wool (1 ounce per square foot) under the organic cotton ticking. >> Needle-tufted by hand with cotton yarn rosettes, which secure the cotton ticking and internal mattress layers firmly in place. >> *I think it's odd that what used to be considered the top comfort layer -- (D65) Dunlop (14-19 ILD) -- is now the base support layer. ??* - ~~Option 8: [**Avocado Green Pillowtop**](https://www.avocadogreenmattress.com/products/green-natural-organic-mattress?variant=42732672581782) ($2,799)~~ > ~~2 inches Dunlop in the pillow-top layer (D65)~~ > ~~2 inches Dunlop in the comfort layer (D65)~~ > ~~1 inch of Dunlop (D65) in the base.~~ > ~~individually wrapped coils arranged in seven zones and steel perimeter support to the edge.~~ >> ~~*I wish they would say how many inches the coil layer is. I know I can just ask them. This is the other coil mattress I might consider. Edit - Was just advised to be careful about zoned coils which is helpful to me as I really don't want coils, anyway and I appreciated this word of caution.*~~ >> That's now four people who have told me to avoid zoned coils. I think because my current latex mattress is zoned that I didn't consider this to be an issue. - ~~Option 9: [**Avocado Green Box Top**](https://www.avocadogreenmattress.com/products/green-natural-organic-mattress?variant=42732827672726) (3,599)~~ > ~~3 inches Talalay latex~~ > ~~3 inches of Dunlop latex~~ > ~~Tufted~~ > ~~individually wrapped coils arranged in seven zones and steel perimeter support to the edge.~~ >> ~~*I wish they would say how many inches the coil layer is. I know I can just ask them. This is another coil mattress I might consider. Basically the Avocado Green with a topper. Edit - was advised to make sure to try zoned coils before purchasing.*~~ - Option 10: [**10- inch Turmerry Latex**](https://www.turmerry.com/products/natural-organic-latex-mattress?variant=40458896408685) ($1,500) > Not Flippable?, not tufted but it looks deeply quilted - I think only the 7" is Flippable > Organic Cotton > Organic Wool > Organic Cotton > 3 x 3-inch layers of Dunlop latex > Organic Cotton > Organic Wool > Organic Cotton > 2-inch firm Dunlop latex topper ($269) >> *The 7-zone latex looks similar to what I have now only not solid. In 3 x 3-inch layers.* - Option 10A: [**Turmerry 7" Latex Flippable**](https://www.turmerry.com/products/dual-side-flippable-latex-material-mattress?variant=41291591581805 ) ($1,000) > Organic Cotton > Organic Wool > Organic Cotton > 2 x 3-inch layers of Dunlop latex > Organic Cotton > Organic Wool > Organic Cotton - Option 11: [**Saatva Zenhaven**](https://www.saatva.com/mattresses/zenhaven) 10-inch ($2,890) > Quilted Cotton Cover > Wool Layer > 5-zone latex - I'm assuming Dunlop. Doesn't say how thick > Latex Support Core. Doesn't say how thick. I'm assuming Dunlop > 5-zone latex - I'm assuming Dunlop. Doesn't say how thick > Wool Layer > Quilted Cotton Cover >> *Flip-able which makes a big difference. I've read that edge support isn't great. Someone here said there was an issue with the materials they use not being as advertised. Now I can't find that comment.* - ~~Option 12/Not Really: [**Avocado Luxury Organic Mattress**](https://www.avocadogreenmattress.com/products/natural-organic-luxury-plush-mattress?variant=42739169296534) ($5,039)~~ > ~~*I'm not really considering this due to the price. At a certain point I might as well get another Royal Pedic*~~ > ~~Layer 1: Cotton / Elastane(3%) cover~~ > ~~Layer 2: Wool (325g)~~ > ~~Layer 3: 2 inches Alpaca fiber (500g)~~ > ~~Layer 4: Wool (325g)~~ > ~~Layer 5: Cotton canvas (375g/12oz)~~ > ~~Pillow top only/Layer 6: **2 inches Dunlop latex** (D65/14-19ILD)~~ > ~~Layer 7: cotton, wool, and natural silk (500g)~~ > ~~Layer 8: cotton canvas (375g)~~ > ~~Pillow Top & Box Top Only/Layer 9: **1-inch micro-coil innersprings**~~ > ~~Pillow Top Only/Layer 10: Wool, blended with cotton and natural silk~~ > ~~Layer 11: **2 inches of soft Dunlop latex** (D65/14-19ILD)~~ > ~~Layer 12: **8-inch innerspring unit**, fabric-encased coils in 7 ergonomic zones, with a reinforced steel perimeter for edge support~~ > ~~Layer 13: hemp pad (450g)~~ > ~~Layer 14: Cotton (97%) and Elastane (3%) fabric cover~~ > ~~Layer 15: needle-punched wool from India~~ > ~~Layer 16: jersey (95g) to help hold the organic latex in place~~ > ~~Layer 17: cotton, wool, and natural silk (500g)~~ >> ~~*I'm tempted but it's not even flip-able. For 17 layers this is basically a hybrid (4-inches of Dunlop, 1-inch of micro-coils and 8-inches of zoned coils) with lots of different fabric layers. Edit - was also just advised that zoned coils can be problematic, which helps me move away from this choice.*~~ - Option 13: The natural mattress store... > https://thenaturalmattressstore.com/natural-latex-mattresses/ > Confusing choices. Diagrams don't match descriptions. - Option 14 - Flobeds > https://www.flobeds.com/product/natural-latex-mattress/ > like that they are california based. > Don't love the egg crate topper. And without it, it's just two slabs of latex. > Also, don't want split foam. What a solid piece. - Option 14 - European Sleepworks - Classic > 6-inch latex core, 2-inch comfort layer. Natural cover. Very similar to Berkely Ergonomics. > Love this but a bit out of my price range and shipping is not free. > https://sleepworks.com/mattress/8-all-latex/ *********** Definite No's but was considering. - Definite No #1: [**Naturepedic, EOS Trilux**](https://www.naturepedic.com/eos-trilux-organic-mattress-buy?466=1090&475=1150&478=1168) $3,200 > cotton/wool batting cover > Layer 1: 3-inches of latex - probably Dunlop > Layer 2: 3-inches of latex - probably Dunlop > Layer 3: 3-inches of latex - probably Dunlop > cotton batting + zipper encasement > split - 2 sides. >> *This is a no because I do not want a split mattress. This mattress would literally come in six pieces with nothing to hold it in but a zippered cotton cover. I feel like there will be separation and splaying over time. And for 3,200 - it's at the top of my price range so it was an easy no.* - Definite No #2: [**Eclipse Embrace 10" Firm**](https://eclipsemattress.com/products/embrace-latex-mattress-10-cushion-firm?variant=47809188725017) ($4,649) > Layer 1: 3-inches of 5-Zone latex - probably Dunlop > Layer 2: 3-inches of 5-Zone Latex - probably Dunlop > Layer 3: 6-inch Latex Core - probably Dunlop > Stretch Knit Cover. Not quilted or tufted > Greenguard, Based in New Jersey >> *I like that this has a 6" core but not at that price for Dunlop. I know these mattresses come from all over the place and I don't really care in most cases. But this being from New Jersey. Just very far to ship a mattress in boxes...* - Definite No #3: **Aireloom** ($4,000) > Only Hybrid > Visco Foam, not latex >> *This was so highly recommended and is local to me. I wanted to try to make one of these work.* - Definite No #4: **C&W**, High End Coil Mattresses - Definite No #5: [**Leesa Sapira Chill**](https://www.leesa.com/products/sapira-chill-mattress) ($1,811) > Coils & Memory Foam >> *I really wanted to make a Leesa Chill work out for me. I could probably handle the coils but not the memory foam.* ********* I am 160 lbs. 5' 6" and a side/stomach sleeper. I fall asleep on my stomach but often wake up on my side. I have scoliosis that no one would notice but it means that I need to sleep on the side where my ribs are concave to flatten the other side of my ribs that are the opposite of concave (ie; convex). It that makes sense.

1) Yes the tufted hybrid from SOL is a new, exciting option. I talked to them a bit in this thread. https://old.reddit.com/r/Mattress/comments/1p8mlmi/introducing_the_sleep_on_latex_hybrid_mattress/ I hold out hope that companies like SOL and Avocado will have switched to Talalay by next year. 2) I started making a list of tufted options but never finished it: https://old.reddit.com/r/Mattress/comments/1o6uevm/tufting_where_to_find_it/ 3) Spencer is a couple of hours from me. I have watched a lot of his videos. I'm not a fan of gluing slabs together the way he demonstrates but he also has tufted mattresses. I think it's odd that he does not have details or descriptions of his European style mattresses. For the price I think I'll continue to consider Berkeley Ergonomics, Royal Pedic or even Avocado. It's just a hassle to get up there. And I'd have to rent a truck to get the mattress home, AND I just don't think the company is *that* transparent. I think if you lived less than an hour from Spencer's that would be a strong contender. Thanks for checking in here... Good luck with your search!

- Coils: > Coils come in many different varieties of firmness. You want firm coils or the mattress longevity decreases and the mattress sags a few years after buying it. The trouble is that most manufacturers resist telling you the gauge of the coils. They also resist telling you if the coils are nested, which helps a lot. Most coil systems are row, not nested. That's because there are fewer coils in a row as opposed to nested. So the row lowers cost. Nested is more coils and better. > Coil gauge is more important than coil count, though. Gauge means the thickness of the wire. A lower gauge means thicker, stronger and a higher gauge means thinner, more flexible wire. A 12-gauge coil is heavier and firmer than a 15-gauge coil which is lighter and softer. A mattress with 900 well-made, low-gauge coils is better than a mattress with 1,500 thin, under-tensioned coils. > Many people swear by the old system wherein coils are strung together with wire. But most consumers and manufacturers say that individual pocket coils are better for motion transfer and again, nested is better, low gauge is better - if you can find it. - Foam > You want to avoid anything synthetic. That includes memory foam. > You can choose between Dunlop and Talalay latex but a lot of manufacturers don't want to tell you the type of latex they are using. Most use Dunlop because it's cheaper. Talalay is actually the superior product. > There are probabaly 10 different firmness levels of Talalay ie; density/pushback, and 10 different firmness levels of Dunlop. In addition to that confusion, (2) x 3-inch slabs of Talalay will respond and hold up differently than a 6-inch core of Talalay. > If you decide on all latex/no springs, all one piece of thicker latex is better but most mattresses are built with 3-inch slabs for cost. > So you are looking at trying to get a manufacturer to tell you how much of what type of latex they use. And then it's even harder to get them to tell you the firmness level. Most use the least dense Dunlop because it's cheaper. Hardly anyone offers a solid 6-inch core. But that's the best if you are going no springs. - Fire barrier > You want a wool fire barrier as it breathes better and is better for your overall health than a synthetic. Most natural mattress suppliers do make their mattresses with wool so that helps. > Wool is an excellent material for a mattress. It's sustainable and natural and soft and comfortable. It breathes and it acts as a fire barrier. It's also cheap. So you will find a lot of manufacturers crowing about their generous layers of wool. It's great they use wool, but wool is one of the least expensive components of an all natural mattress. So you will see a lot of text devoted to how wonderful the wool is. - Cover > You want a 100% cotton cover. Not polyester or a synthetic. No rayon. - Tufting > Tufting is very hard to find and it increases the price of the mattress because it can only be done by hand and it takes about an hour per mattress. No glue factory assembly line. Once you sleep on a well-tufted mattress you will never want anything else. Most manufacturers are just gluing all the slabs of materials together. Not tufting. Tufting is better. Tufting = longevity. Glued slabs = shorter lifespan. - Reviews: > Most reviews are outdated. By the time you read the review or watch the youtube video the manufacturer has changed the components of the mattress you are considering. Almost all manufacturers are constantly looking for ways to reduce the cost of making the mattress. So they will use fewer and cheaper materials while pointing to reviews of previous versions of mattresses with the same names made with plenty of premium materials. They just won't tell you that the mattress with the same name and photo now has reduced quality springs and less latex. (*Looking at you, Avocado... but they all do this.*) > So all those good reviews may not apply to the actual mattress that is now available. So don't waste your time paying attention to reviews from 2022-2024 if you are going to buy your mattress in 2026.

I hate my avocado mattress. Just an fyi.

Spent so much $ and it is a latex mattress. We did a split king-I’m about 120 and SO is about 185 and it is sagging after about 3 yrs.

Consumer Reports also LOVED the Avocado Mattress that I bought at 6K$ and it’s terrible.

Yep, started sagging really badly by 3yrs.

Spent 5k+ on an avocado mattress 3 years ago and hate it, sags badly so don’t look at avocados.

Had our king size for just under 5 years and it’s in great shape with obese sleepers. Never any chemical smell.

If there is one thing you don't go cheap on is a mattress! I know its a mattress salesmen pitch but it is true...Don't skimp on something you will be using 1/3 of your time and which has a multitude of impacts on your health. First you need to determine your predominant sleep position for firmness. Don't go all memory foam unless its a tempurpedic, and those are expensive. On the budget friendly side stick with combination of memory foam and springs, I can honestly recommend Brooklyn Bedding , I had the Auorora Luxe and I got the best sleep ever as a side/back sleeper who suffered from shoulder and back pain. Helix is their upscale brand and equally good with more premium materials. When we upgraded to a king size bed, we went with organic latex from Avocado.The good thing about the internet only vendors is long trial periods and no interest payment plans if you cant unload a few thousand on the spot. Costco is another viable option with their forever return policy also, and they have good prices on run of the mill mattresses. Stay away from mattress and furniture stores, quality is crap and huge markups.

My wife and I have been sleeping exclusively on our avocado latex mattress for the past 5 years. We love it. 

We have twin and queen mattresses from Avocado. They have a bit of a unique smell occasionally, I think because of the wool, but I don't find it offensive. They are HEAVY though!  I also got their twin waterproof mattress protector for one bed and the Naturepedic equivalent for the other, and both of those have worked great for multiple kid related fluids, lol. And just in case you're looking for new pillows to, I switched to a buckwheat hull pillow earlier this year. I love it, and I've heard millet hull ones are even nicer.

We have twin and queen mattresses from Avocado. They have a bit of a unique smell occasionally, I think because of the wool, but I don't find it offensive. They are HEAVY though!  I also got their twin waterproof mattress protector for one bed and the Naturepedic equivalent for the other, and both of those have worked great for multiple kid related fluids, lol. And just in case you're looking for new pillows to, I switched to a buckwheat hull pillow earlier this year. I love it, and I've heard millet hull ones are even nicer.