Loom & Leaf

I went to a place that had Nolah Evolution, Wink Bed (multiple), Leesa (multiple), Puffy (3), and Brooklyn Bedding (3). Trying them on close succession was super helpful. They didn’t have helix but I tried this somewhere else (midnight luxe and elite), as well as Saatva (classic, Rx, and their all foam beds). I also tried others I passed on for being too cheap and feeling cheap, or for being over $3,500 which was above what I would spend. Remember that Helix, Brooklyn Bedding, Leesa, Nolah, Bear, and a few others are all 3Z’s brands made in Arizona at the same factory. - Helix Midnight *Elite* (edit, incorrectly wrote luxe) was a winner but… there were two things I didn’t love. While being super comfortable, supportive overall with great edge and mid support, and felt cool - it had a little more spring than I liked, and was slightly firmer than some other beds. Part of the firmness and spring comes from having two levels of springs. One at the lower level and micro springs higher up. It’s also priced as a premium option. While cheaper than Tempurpedic and Beauty Rest, it’s just not an amazing value option where you must love it to pay $3k+. At $2k or slightly above, this would have been an instant buy for me. (Edit for clarity: Luxe didn’t feel as supportive, or overall as nice as more expensive Luxe) - Nolah Evolution felt remarkably similar to Midnight *Elite* for being half the price. It’s not quite as supportive, doesn’t have as much spring feel, but felt “right” for someone wanting something between medium and soft. I loved this bed. While I preferred Helix slightly, at half the price - I almost bought this because it’s insane value and very comfortable. - Leesa was not my thing. They had sent me a targeted offer for Legend Chill which was a great value at almost 50% off retail and had great reviews. I just didn’t want to mess with this if I couldn’t try it. The two I tried in store didn’t feel as substantial to me. The Legend Chill was not something I could try, but I tried the Sapira and it was too floppy and so cheaply made that I could feel the coils on the side so took a pass. - Wink Bed. I tried firm and soft. It’s a quality and comfortable bed, but I hated this bed in both feels because it was way too springy for my taste. I come from Tempurpedic and Sealy gel foam beds and my partner can feel any move I made. People seem to love or hate this bed. The store owner told me he sells a lot of them, but it’s returned sometimes because of firmness or spring. - Brooklyn Bedding. I tried the CopperFlex, Signature, Aurora. I liked them all, and prices were great, but I didn’t love any of these. I preferred the Helix Elite and Nolah Evolution, and the Nolah price is just phenomenal. - Puffy. This felt great and supportive. I love their highest end bed the most, but it’s a little too firm for my taste, and moved more than I liked. It barely fit my below $3,500 range and I preferred other options. - Saatva. I loved the RX bed. It’s a softer Helix Midnight Elite, but you can feel the movement slightly more. If this were cheaper, I would have bought this. The classic was way too firm and springy for my taste. The full memory foam bed they made was actually phenomenal. It was the only all foam bed I found as good as temperpedic, and could have happily bought that or Rx. - Tempurpedic. Great for my taste, but too expensive to get one of their premium beds. What did I buy? Thermo Balance Elite from Brooklyn Bedding. Why? I called 3Z’s. I told them exactly what I said above about their beds on their various brands versus others and what I wanted. They said the best option for a very supportive bed like the Helix Midnight Elite that was my favorite, but had more cooling, less movement (1 coil set, no micro coil), and very slightly less firmness on the medium firmness was the Thermo Balance Elite in Medium. I asked why elite and not the cheaper version, and they said it has an improved spring system for middle support and higher density premium phase change foam. They also said if I don’t love the bed, they’d give me back $1,200 and switch me out to a Nolah bed. My Thermo balance elite comes next week, and it was $600+ cheaper than Helix Midnight Luxe. I didn’t want to buy a bed I didn’t try, but they gave me a great price, promised me a refund of $1,200 and a replacement to Nolah Evolution bed (which i did try and like) if I wasn’t happy. So my advice is give the Midnight Luxe time if you do have it, and then if you don’t love it, don’t keep it. It’s an expensive bed and 3Z’s has a ton of great options, and Saatva does too.

I have a rare congenital spine disorder and am in chronic pain 24/7. I have two mattresses from Loom & Leaf which now goes by Saatava. I have their firm for my main bedroom and their soft one for my guest room. I have a tempuepedic foam topper on both of them and I can honestly say my life changed when I got them both. Even without the topper they are the best mattresses I’ve ever owned and I have spent exorbitant amounts over the last 40 years trying out all the latest ones. Orthopedic, adjustable, coiled, not coiled, latex, foam. The only one I’ve never tried is the Purple, but my daughter has one and while I will grant you it is very comfy I still like my Saatavas better. My daughter and son in law after spending the night at our house when their power went out, moved their purple mattress into their guest bedroom and ordered a Saatava for their master. Also the company is awesome, they do white glove delivery and removal of your old mattress if you want. No complaints and is order another from them in a heartbeat.

I have a rare congenital spine disorder and am in chronic pain 24/7. I have two mattresses from Loom & Leaf which now goes by Saatava. I have their firm for my main bedroom and their soft one for my guest room. I have a tempuepedic foam topper on both of them and I can honestly say my life changed when I got them both. Even without the topper they are the best mattresses I’ve ever owned and I have spent exorbitant amounts over the last 40 years trying out all the latest ones. Orthopedic, adjustable, coiled, not coiled, latex, foam. The only one I’ve never tried is the Purple, but my daughter has one and while I will grant you it is very comfy I still like my Saatavas better. My daughter and son in law after spending the night at our house when their power went out, moved their purple mattress into their guest bedroom and ordered a Saatava for their master. Also the company is awesome, they do white glove delivery and removal of your old mattress if you want. No complaints and is order another from them in a heartbeat.

Been a big fan of Loom & Leaf. But I've noticed between buying our first mattress from them and our third that there's been a quality drop. How can one find out if there's been changes to the materials or construction of particular mattress brands?

LFG!! I got a Saatva L&L and it's literally been the best purchase I have made maybe in my life.. I went direct to the store in my area ordered it and when it took longer than expected I guilted them into a free mattress topper too! Can't recommend them enough!

Derek, are you still using a Loom & Leaf? We purchased on a bit over a year ago after your last AMA. Love it; wife’s back has quit hurting and we both sleep better. Thanks for the recommendation.

Our 7 year old loom and leaf is a saatva. Our newer one is 3 years old. Both the softer firmness but the older one feels softer. It’s also smaller so maybe that’s it. Idk but they’re amazing mattresses. But way more expensive than they used to be

I sleep on my side and have a Loom and Leaf. It’s our second one after 10 years. We love it