Brenham II 16" Medium Euro Top

So when I had the soft hybrid high point it was so soft and squishy it was miserable and I love soft beds. I lasted as long as I could with it but hated it and gave it to my mom because she loved it. I went out and bought the Brenham medium pillow too because my salesman told me they didn’t make it in soft, that had been a fight on its own because they do make it soft but won’t take the responsibility for not telling me the truth. Anyways my question is, do you think the soft pillow top instead of the medium will give me that cloud feeling unlike the high point did because that one made me feel like I was drowning lol

We ended up buying a King Koil medium pillow top. It felt comfortable in the store, but after sleeping on it for a month, we’re looking to upgrade to the Sealy Bentham Euro Top. It’s not a hybrid, but there is a thin layer of memory foam in the pillow top of the mattress, much like our old mattress, which I loved.

I’m sorry you’re having a lousy experience with it! We ended up playing it safe with a Sealy Posturpedic pillow top that has memory foam in the pillow top. Our previous mattress lasted us over 20 years & it had the same features. We’re very happy with it.

It’s a Sealy Posturepedic Elite Brenham Medium Euro PillowTop Mattress. Nine months in & love it.

High point has more pressure relieving material and phase change material which makes it better at cooling. The brenham the EPT quilted top medium is just a phenomenal feeling bed and has done fantastic with us and although the High point outsells it I would say listen to your body and if you like the medium pillow top I doubt you are going to be blown away by the firm high point. I haven’t seen any Brenham Medium Pillowtops come back on happiness exchange which tells me the in home experience matches the in store pretty well of course you still have break in to get through. As far as long term it’s far to early to tell but I never had long term issues with previous models of similar Sealy mattress

No they are not the same the brenham pillowtop is designed to feel more like a traditional bed vs the high point is designed to feel like a foam bed they have completely different feels you shouldn’t experience the same slow sinking in contouring feeling

tomorrow is when I get mine delivered (checking out reviews/info after purchasing so I didn't go in with preconceptions) but I also sleep heavy, have a ton of back pain, and toss and turn. something has to be better than my 8 year old mattress at this point. 

I did get the brenham 2, quilted/pillow top medium. I am kind of surprised I didn't end up in something softer, but it has been great. in general my sleep has been better and I no longer have hip pain which is nice. my back pain is going to happen no matter what, but in general it's better than it was. i am still used to a smaller and more worn out mattress, so that support has been nice. it has been kind of annoying trying to get sheets with a big enough space for how tall the mattress is, and I didn't really factor in getting new sheets when getting a larger mattress. I wish I didn't get ~$100 full sheets a couple months ago. 

i know there are cooling mattresses, cooling mattress toppers, but i'll also mention cooling sheets. best sheets i ever got, that i actually had to switch out for jersey sheets in winter, were sijo eucalyptus sheets. i've seen very similar sheets on amazon, but not the same quality. they almost made me too cold, they were so breathable and cooling. natural fibers and even wool can help with temperature regulation. idk what kind of mattress you are looking for, but i recently got a sealy posturepedic elite brenham II and the quilted top is really damn comfy and plush even at medium firmness, and it's really breathable.

I liked the Albany and Brenham in the Sealy elite series when I tried them

The Elite series of Sealy firm are all the same core (Sealy's best coils) but differ only in their tops and feels on those tops. Highpoint - Tempur type sink in. Albany - Quilt top with just enough cushion. Brenham - Eurotop with a bit more cushion. All share the really good Sealy Elite support system.

Sealy by far. The elite series has incredible coil support system and going up to the highpoint level gets you phase change material as well as the cooling cover. It should be noted that you will get a significant amount of sinking into the mattress feeling with the amount of memory foam...some like that and some don't. You could look at the Brenham II models in medium and you might like that as well...same incredible support system. Either way, the entire line is really good

You can select any mattress with a good coil support system (preferably zoned) and then get whatever comfort layer you want on top. The top comfort layers can be one of three designs (Quilt, Euro, or Hybrid) and that will determine the thickness and types of foams you get as well as the density. While this applies to most foam over coil mattresses, I will just use Sealy as an example. Their PRO and elite lines use their best coil system. Let's just use elite for example... You can get a Sealy elite in all three configs for the comfort layer. I would stay with their firm choice and try all three top types. (Ie: Albany II or Brenham II)... The Euro top will give you a thicker layer of non memory foam for cushion, the quilt top a bit less and the hybrid top will be a thick layer of memory foam (my least favorite). Good luck!

The Sealy Elite series are my top choice in the Sealy series (Pro series as well if you want to save a few bucks). These two lines carry Sealy's best and most supportive coil support system. I personally prefer Firm (Albany II) but my wife would go for the Brenham II all day long. All in all if I bought Sealy, I would choose this mattress line all day. I think it's a great choice if he likes it and should be good for years to come.

Whether you get a hybrid (definition is Memory foam over coils) or a spring series (Traditional poly foams over coils with Quilt or euro top) is decision one. I personally hate the thick memory foam that slowly sinks in and traps you in the impression, but that is subjective and some like it. Decision 2 is firmness level and medium will be a good fit as the foams will be dense enough to comfort you without letting you sink to the coils while still providing the conformance you need on your side. Decision 3 will be budget based as the luxury models that are 15 or 16" thick with multiple layers of different foams and sometimes micro coils can get pretty pricey. Someone mentioned Helix Midnight Luxe and that is a good mattress for side sleepers and uses a fairly dense 4Lb foam which is good. Step up to the elite and you get a couple more inches of comfort layer and 7lb density foam which is really good. As well the Elite models come with a swappable fully encased comfort layer that you can swap down the road for a refresh or different feel. 3Z Brands is the parent company and makes a lot of the popular bed in a box brands out today (www.3zbrands.com). They are an American made company and make quality products. One of their brands, Brooklyn Bedding recently released a model called Thermobalance Elite which has both 3lb and 5lb foams and is getting good reviews. I was definitely going to buy 1 of 3 mattresses when I was doing all my research. 1. Helix Twilight Elite. 2. Sealy Posturepedic Elite Brenham II. 3. King Koil Natural Line Glacier. I went to a few stores several times and spent 20-30 minutes on them to the point the salespeople all knew me. Then I went to an independent store and ended up buying a Diamond Mattress Black Diamond Whirler. All the mattresses I looked at were not Hybrid by definition (Did not have the thick flat memory foam tops) and we're all luxury quilt top spring type mattresses. (People call them hybrids too but they are really not). Lots of good choices out there...

Look here: What makes a "Pro" a "Pro" - [https://www.sealy.com/sealy-posturepedic-collection/](https://www.sealy.com/sealy-posturepedic-collection/) If you have the materials and specs of a "Pro" you can be a "Pro" However, you can change how many layers or the density of the layers outside of those requirements to meet a price point. Comparison (You will notice a 1" difference in the mattress heights): [https://www.mattressfirm.com/posturepedic-pro-lacey-ii-15-medium-euro-top-mattress/5637547470.p?variantid=5637548310](https://www.mattressfirm.com/posturepedic-pro-lacey-ii-15-medium-euro-top-mattress/5637547470.p?variantid=5637548310) [https://www.mattressfirm.com/posturepedic-pro-lacey-ii-14-medium-mattress/5637547462.p?variantid=5637548262](https://www.mattressfirm.com/posturepedic-pro-lacey-ii-14-medium-mattress/5637547462.p?variantid=5637548262) [https://www.costco.com/p/-/sealy-posturepedic-pro-highland-manor-13-medium-mattress/4000363508?langId=-1](https://www.costco.com/p/-/sealy-posturepedic-pro-highland-manor-13-medium-mattress/4000363508?langId=-1) [https://www.costco.com/p/-/sealy-posturepedic-pro-lincoln-heights-14-firm-or-plush-mattress/4000383457?langId=-1](https://www.costco.com/p/-/sealy-posturepedic-pro-lincoln-heights-14-firm-or-plush-mattress/4000383457?langId=-1)

Sorry you went through this. I think probably your biggest mistake was getting the hybrid series of Sealy Elite as they have those thick flat memory foam tops that sink in and trap you and your heat. I hate memory foam mattresses for that reason. The Sealy Elite spring series are more traditional foam over coil and don't sleep nearly as hot or sink in like that. If you do ever try another mattress purchase look for traditional foam over coil with quilt tops. Like a Sealy Elite Brenham II or literally any model that is not thick layers of memory foam on the top. You said you were in MD, I am in PA and I can't say enough about the crew at Gardners Mattress and More in Lancaster, PA. Great store, great owners that are very involved in their community, run a podcast, wrote 2 books on sleep, etc. They carry a bunch of brands with plenty of floor models. Drew was my rep and was great. Good luck and stay away from memory foam :)

I will just add that the two mattresses that were mentioned by dark night (Thermobalance Elite and Helix Plus Elite) both are made by 3Z in the USA and have the unique feature of being able to swap only the comfort layer on the top which is really nice. I think either one of these two would be great. As far as the big brands, while I agree with the assessment on the BR, I actually think that the Sealy Elite line (Spring series) are also very good mattresses. Those are the three I would lean towards.

Sealy Elite Spring series are a good series and have a great coil system for support. You are light enough that the pillowtop may not compress/fail but I tend to go for straight quilt top mattresses. Brenham II is made in quilt top & pillowtop so you could do either.

Mattresses are so subjective and every person is different. I can tell you I had a 6 month journey, visited at least 6 mattress stores and some of them 4 times. I had a top 5 list which included: Helix Elite Twilight Sealy Elite Brenham or Albany King Koil Natural line Sterns Lux Estate Then I went to a local store that is not a national brand and the salesman there listened to me and steered me to a brand I had not seen in the other stores - Diamond. Specifically the Black Diamond line. It was nice because it looked and felt the same quality as the others was $800 fell in the priceline of the middle of the others. I bought it and have only been on it for about 37 days. It was definitely firmer but has just started feeling a bit more like the showroom model. My wife and I just talked last night again about exchanging for a medium model but we both agreed that either our bodies are starting to adjust or it's getting better...we aren't sure yet. It's not perfect yet but definitely better. We love the looks and quality materials, it just exudes premium. We don't like the deep sink in and get trapped feeling of memory foam so we opted for the Luxury Quilt top model instead of the Hybrid Top model. We also opted for the Firm retail version called the Vail and if we exchange it will be for the same company and line but the medium model called the whistler. Really nice product. If you can find the Black Diamond in a store it will be an order and build and it will have their best coil system as opposed to the online version which is not different coil system. Retail version are not rolled and boxed they are delivered flat so they can put their strongest coils in them. All the mattresses I listed felt very premium and had quality materials. Sealy Elite has a great coil system, Helix Elite has incredible foams (8lb and 5lb) and the King Koil with its latex layers and micro coils was awesome. Good luck...

BeautyRest World Class series which is actually my preferred series in their line as it's higher quality than the two lines below it and doesn't seem to have as many QA issues as the Black series above it has. I think this line is solid. (Series 3 or 4) Sealy - as long as you stick with the Pro or Elite line there, you will get Sealy's best coil system and you can choose what kind of comfort layer you want (plush, medium, firm) and the top layer format (hybrid, quilt, euro). That would also be a solid choice. (I would choose an Elite Series) Sterns - I like their Lux Estate models and again you can choose your comfort layer and top format. Helix - Gets a lot of love in the community and specifically they make a lot of models that are designed for the different sleeper positions. I would consider their luxe models for a bit more comfort over the core models. An example of how much they offer is if you want a luxe model that is Firm, they make one for side sleepers and one for back sleepers...the difference is they simply replace one layer of foam with another or swap those layer orders. Helix makes an Elite line and if I were to buy one it would be one of those...not because the comfort layer is thicker or it has micro coils and foam, but for the flexibility of the comfort layer swap. The entire comfort layer (several layers) is encased in a cotton cover that simply slips into the Top cover. You can swap just that layer later when your needs change for much less than buying a new mattress. Start off with Helix Midnight Elite and feel you need it firmer? Just have them send you a Dawn or Twilight comfort layer and swap it. Pretty convenient. Diamond - Ultimately my wife & I choose the "Black Diamond" series from Diamond Mattress. It had everything we wanted (just enough give on the top layer without being soft, a good coil support system and cooling features. We bought the Black Diamond Vail (Lux Hybrid Quilt Top in Firm). If we dont like it (Not here yet), The Helix Twilight Elite is my next go to. Good luck!!

Run down to your Mattress store and lay on some Sealy Pro or Elite series mattresses. They have one of the best coil support systems. The Elite will have more/thicker foam and some cooling tech, but if it's out of budget grab a Pro series. I recommend medium firmness, spring series, Pro or elite line, and quilt top. Half the price of previous recommendation.

Look here: What makes a "Pro" a "Pro" - [https://www.sealy.com/sealy-posturepedic-collection/](https://www.sealy.com/sealy-posturepedic-collection/) If you have the materials and specs of a "Pro" you can be a "Pro" However, you can change how many layers or the density of the layers outside of those requirements to meet a price point. Comparison (You will notice a 1" difference in the mattress heights): [https://www.mattressfirm.com/posturepedic-pro-lacey-ii-15-medium-euro-top-mattress/5637547470.p?variantid=5637548310](https://www.mattressfirm.com/posturepedic-pro-lacey-ii-15-medium-euro-top-mattress/5637547470.p?variantid=5637548310) [https://www.mattressfirm.com/posturepedic-pro-lacey-ii-14-medium-mattress/5637547462.p?variantid=5637548262](https://www.mattressfirm.com/posturepedic-pro-lacey-ii-14-medium-mattress/5637547462.p?variantid=5637548262) [https://www.costco.com/p/-/sealy-posturepedic-pro-highland-manor-13-medium-mattress/4000363508?langId=-1](https://www.costco.com/p/-/sealy-posturepedic-pro-highland-manor-13-medium-mattress/4000363508?langId=-1) [https://www.costco.com/p/-/sealy-posturepedic-pro-lincoln-heights-14-firm-or-plush-mattress/4000383457?langId=-1](https://www.costco.com/p/-/sealy-posturepedic-pro-lincoln-heights-14-firm-or-plush-mattress/4000383457?langId=-1)

Which Sealy Model? The retail pro and elite versions do very well and don't get returned often at all due to the incredible coil system they use. I definitely do not recommend soft mattresses. Both of my contacts at different stores have a lot of returns on Serta, BR and Purple, hardly ever on Elite and Pro series Sealy. Don't sell as many King Koil but very few returns on those as well. Bear in mind things like "Costco" versions are not the same. They are manufactured using cost cutting measures to meet a price point. (Less foam, etc..)

Sorry you went through this. I think probably your biggest mistake was getting the hybrid series of Sealy Elite as they have those thick flat memory foam tops that sink in and trap you and your heat. I hate memory foam mattresses for that reason. The Sealy Elite spring series are more traditional foam over coil and don't sleep nearly as hot or sink in like that. If you do ever try another mattress purchase look for traditional foam over coil with quilt tops. Like a Sealy Elite Brenham II or literally any model that is not thick layers of memory foam on the top. You said you were in MD, I am in PA and I can't say enough about the crew at Gardners Mattress and More in Lancaster, PA. Great store, great owners that are very involved in their community, run a podcast, wrote 2 books on sleep, etc. They carry a bunch of brands with plenty of floor models. Drew was my rep and was great. Good luck and stay away from memory foam :)