Hammock Gear - Classic Burrow 20°F

Well said! I’d keep it simple- get a Hammock Gear Burrow 20 quilt overstock or on sale. It works for a wide range of temps and weighs 20 oz. I prefer wide size to prevent drafts. I like a sewn foot box. You can get paralyzed with too many choices and then not get anything. Worry about fill power and over fill with more experience. When it’s cold, take a thinlight 1/8 pad and put your pad on top. As important as the quilt. Your first quilt will help you figure out what you want.

I was a longtime skeptic of quilts, but I cut my weight in half for the same 30-degree rating with a Hammock Gear Burrow, which are reasonably priced and have regular sales.  The straps work great with my Thermarest and I’ve been comfy in the 30s with it. 

It's generally my neck of the woods. I've been good with a 20F comfort rated quit (Hammock Gear). I've taken the same quit to Jasper and hit -5 C and was still good except my exposed face. I tend to sleep pretty warm though.

Agree. I have both a 20* and 40* hammock gear burrow quilt. Also have both a Thermorest xlite and XTherm pad. Creates countless combinations with the ability to stack the quilts and using a bag liner to get down to 0*.

This would be my rec too. I have the original ZenBivy and often leave the sheet/hood at home to cut down on weight. A regular quilt is just fine. My kids love the Hammock Gear 20 degree quilts we have.

The Burrow is a great quilt. All of our quilts are Burrow 20F.

I have a Katabatic and a Hammock Gear Burrow UL (which does not appear of their site anymore). Both are great. The main complaint that I understand about EE is they are generous with their rated temp. Not that they are bad quilts. But any quilt with less than 20D fabric is going to be a bit fragile. So don’t wear it like a poncho and go off to pee and let it get hung up in brush.

Quilts, semi rectangular bags (Sea to Summit Trek and Ascent Down) or the Big Agnes Sidewinder series are what you want. The Nemo Spoon series of down bags are also quite roomy. I sleep on my side. I use Hammock Gear Econ Borrows most of the time and I have a Marmot Col -20F bag for anything 20F and below.

I'm a side sleeper, as well. I use an Exped DeepSleep 7.5 LXW (because I'm extra) and a Hammock Gear 20° down quilt. I sleep great!

I have a 20 degree Hammock Gear quilt and it changed my life. I used to use mummy bags and hated them. Also a side sleeper and could never get a good nights sleep. Once I switched to a quilt, it was a whole new world. I’ve yet to have any issues with my quilt. Super warm, lightweight, packs easily, it’s been great. I have that paired with a Nemo Tensor and it’s been a good setup. Check out the hammock gear website, they run sales seemingly nonstop so don’t ever pay full price for something there. If you sign up for email or text alerts, you’ll be endlessly spammed with sales from them.

Switch to a quilt. I’m a side sleeper and it changed my life. I have a Hammock Gear 20degree quilt and it’s fantastic. They’re expensive but they run sales like weekly, just wait for one to pop up. I know there’s other very reputable quilt brands too.

I have a hammock gear 20deg quilt and it is toasty!

I don't get drafts when using a quilt and I don't use pad straps, ever. I actually threw them away after two nights in my HG quilt. I think a huge percentage of quilt users out there are either, \- using a pad that has insufficient R-value to save weight and mistaking heat loss to the ground for "drafts" \- using quilts that are cut too narrow for their bodies. Also, I do both ground and hammock camping, and getting in and out of a full-length bag would be a huge PITA in a hammock. I DO wish that elephant's foot bags were more popular and easier to get cheaply though. I do a lot of winter hiking, and throwing on a UL parka on when I get to camp so I'm not rushing to set up before I get cold is SO nice. I'd rather just sleep in it and stick my feet in a pied d'elephant than carry a whole extra quilt. It's also nice to not have to leave your insulation when you need to pee in the middle of the night, and when you wake up in the morning.

Mine doesn't wrap around me completely. It just has enough width to reach the ground (not just the pad) on both sides of my body when I lay on my side. I sleep on both sides throughout the night, and get no drafts when I move, and I don't use any retention system at all. My quilt is a Hammock Gear Burrow UL in size Short/Standard (55") and the 20F rated version weighs 24g less and costs $100 less than the 68" version of the FF bag you linked. For reference, I'm 5'9", 145lbs, with a 40" chest measurement. I'm not knocking your idea about hoodless bags or trying to convince anyone you're wrong... they may be a great choice for some people. I just don't have the issues that you're holding them up as a solution to, (as I said, I think those issues are often misunderstood/misidentified) and I think closed bags are a more niche option and less versatile for those of us who also hammock.