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I agree. After being really cold most of my PCT section hike in 2019, I don't use my EE enigma below freezing. I got a western mountaineering versalite in 2021 and love it for cold weather.
The over-bag is about 1lb, so the combo is 40oz, around 8oz heavier than the Versatile. I've been considering the Versatile so I'm glad to hear it's working for you. That might be the way to go for me.
It sounds like the Versatile is the way to go for me. I like the idea of some extra overfill too!
WM sounds like the way to go.
I would highly recommend Western Mountaineering bags. I have 2 of the Versalite models. One for me and one for my wife. Mine is the 6' 6" version and I believe is right at 2lbs. It packs down a little smaller than a volleyball with a sea to summit e-vent compression sack. Fwiw, I bought mine "used" on ebay with the tags still attached for $540 and my wife's was brand new on campsaver or moosejaw for right around $500 on sale. Unbelievable bags made in the USA and made to last.
Definitely a buy once cry once item for me! We spend a lot of time in them each season and I've never once regretted buying my versalite 10 or felt like I needed more bag.
This is correct synthetic on the outer layer. Been using this setup for five years now and it works flawlessly. WM Versalite with a myog apex over bag. I’ve done many winter traverses of glacier and the bob using this.
I have a 2012 WM Versalite and even older Puma GWS (rated to -28C while the current one is -32C, can't remember the year off the top of my head). Both are phenomenal bags and I can recommend the brand. If you are a cold sleeper, I would get the WM bag because of the built-in hood for zero chance of drafts around the neck.
Super cold sleeper here too. (Colder than you - I have a 20 degree Flicker I almost never use because I can only take it down to around 40-45.) I LOVE my Versalite and would highly recommend it.
A sleeping bag goose down filling is generally superior to duck down filling, namely the Achilles heel of a 3-season down sleeping bag is its ability to cope with damp, cold (weather, tent) conditions!!! A quilt with no hood and no collar or a sleeping bag with no collar, is a big drawback, for a 'cold sleeper' in damp, cold conditions. Your body must heat up and maintain warmth for all sleeping bag dead space!!! I advise you, as cold sleeper,: \- a goose down sleeping bag minimal 850FP (fill power, CUIN) with hood and collar for unexpected draft conditions; \- a plug-and-play sleeping bag vs. a quilt requires learning how to properly attach to a sleeping pad to prevent drafts; \- a Cumulus Outdoor Panyam 600, size Extra Small or Small (21F 'T Comfort') with full zipper: its a quality sleeping bag and \[optional:\] Cumulus Outdoor shield bivi or ultralight bivi to cope with unexpected / longer lasting damp, cold (weather, tent) conditions and \[optional:\] Cumulus Outdoor Heat Liner+ or Heat Liner for unexpected / longer lasting temperature drops; \- use a sleeping bag as a blanket in warm conditions via a full sleeping bag zipper; A Western Mountaineering VersaLite, size 5'6" (21F 'T Comfort'): its a quality sleeping bag, but unfortunatly WM has no over bag / bivy bag; You also need a sleeping mat (for example with at least R-value 4). PS. I'm wearing, as a cold sleeper, a base layer in the sleeping bag. In summer, spring, and autumn, I use merino wool 175g/m², and in winter, I use merino wool 260g/m² or G-Loft 40g/m² or 80g/m².
EE revalation is 147cm while WM Versalite is 157cm. So, 10cm/4” difference. Versalite is 1.5oz heavier. So, with the hood included the bag is basically the same or even better. I understand the idea about comfort; but what makes me wonder is that you refer to it as hot. My idea in that case is leaving some insulation at home. It’s only couple of months in a year when I need to be worried about being hot but instead need to consider what’s the lightest sleeping system I need to carry.
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