Takumi Sen 11

I love the SL, but I wouldn’t recommend the evo sl for track workouts. I’m a lighter runner, and even for me there’s not enough stability, especially on the turns when doing fast intervals. I use the Takumi Sen 10 and ap3 for track/tempo. If I was to do one shoe I’d probably use the ap4, or maybe the new Takumi Sen 11.

I can recommend the Takumi Sen currently use TS8 and TS11 both come in under 200g in my size 9. The newer TS11 is a bit lighter and slightly more propulsive and stiffer than the 8 but they're all very good & very similar and all work very well for faster paced 5k or fast efforts. They would work well for you at those paces  

I can recommend the Takumi Sen currently use TS8 and TS11 both come in under 200g in my size 9. The newer TS11 is a bit lighter and slightly more propulsive and stiffer than the 8 but they're all very good & very similar and all work very well for faster paced 5k or fast efforts. They would work well for you at those paces  

I do lots of sprint work and I've tested a fair few shoes.   Best are Adidas adizero Takumi Sen any version from 8-11 will work or Adiós 9 but it doesn't have the pop and energy return of the Takumi but it's a great trainer to strengthen the legs. I alternate between takumis and adios 

What type of runs do you use it for? Technical drills? I really want to like them but I find the low stack hard on the legs, so maybe I'm missing something? I also run in the PX3S, AP4, TS11, B13 and Evo SL (+ATR), and all of these (except the B13) shine in their own area. Where I live (in Europe), the shoe is fairly cheap and easy to get, but even so, I've never seen another runner with them. Maybe because they are inaccessible in certain areas, they are more coveted?

The Takumi Sen 11 is the most extreme example I have experience with. RunRepeat has the sample size 9's heel width at 72.6mm, apparently the fourth most narrow show reviewed and nearly a full 2cm narrower than average. And yet, imo it's actually a pretty nice heel. It feels maybe a little bit flimsy, but it has a gorgeous posteriolateral heel bevel and transitions really swiftly and without any perceived disjointedness. My training rotation also consists of mostly narrow-heeled shoes: Hyperion 2, EVO SL, SC Elite v5 (I just became aware that this last one apparently has a *narrower* heel than the Takumi Sen 11, but I sure as hell hadn't even noticed it until now). This might be a bit of a "YMMV, biomechanics are super individual" thing. But I only ever see forefoot-striking reviewers flag heel width as a potential heel striker issue, and it doesn't line up with my experience well at all.

>If I factor in a \~3km warm up + \~1+km cool down + strides/drills/dynamic warm ups, my interval days can stretch *up to* 15km, and take up to 3h. Okay, first of all, 3hrs is not just an interval day -- that's a *quality long run*. You might already be onto this, but it would be remiss not to check to make sure that you're getting [adequate carbs](https://marathonhandbook.com/carbs-for-runners/) to support this session. Particularly during the run, I'd look for an energy gel or other carb supplement which allows you to get into the 30-60g/hr ballpark. Not getting enough carbs to support your workout risks LEA/RED-S, [bone stress injuries](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQfTkmef_s4), etc. Personally I picked up a femoral neck stress reaction last year when I got overzealous about my long runs without being aware of the carb loading required during/after the run to support them. I might also suggest looking for ways to get this workout down to sub 2:30, since the conventional wisdom is that going longer than that doesn't tend to offer great returns. >I'm wondering if I should look for something higher stack (not the speediest, a little clunky if sessions are on a track), or lower stack (more agile and faster) shoe? Highly individual. Different people respond differently to various kinds of speed assistance in shoes. A lot of the regulars on these kinds of subreddits aren't going to be familiar with how shoes respond in your pace ranges. Personally I find that if you put a superfoam under my feet, I'll usually save \~10-20s/km even at my *easy* effort (around 5:40-6:20/km) at the same heart rate and RPE, and getting down to R and I paces will feel significantly easier. That's been the case with the EVO SL, Megablast, Tempus 2 on a downhill, Takumi Sen 11, Adios Pro 4, SC Elite v5, and Fast-R 3 (I can't run easy in that last one, but god is it effortless to run fast in those). Weirdly I don't seem to respond to the Pegasus Plus (now a shoe I wear if I want to run honest easy mileage), or the Vaporfly 4 at easy pace (they get good during repeats though). But that's just me. There are other people around here who will tell you that they don't perceive any speed assistance in supershoes, or only do at fast paces, etc. The literature apparently backs up there being a lot of variance in response level to speed assistance features between runners, and doesn't have a great handle on the properties of runners which might *predict* those response levels, fwiw. The EVO SL could be a good shout if you want an affordable shoe with a race stack (i.e. not moderate, but not max stack either), have a high-*volume* foot (not sure how a truly *wide* foot does in them though), don't need too much medial support (stability is complex, plenty of people find them unstable but personally I find these more stable than the Megablast), and happen to respond well to a firmer superfoam, a nice posteriolateral heel bevel, and a flexible forefoot with a large early rocker. It's also being sold everwhere, so you should be able to try it on. Otherwise I think you just have to try stuff and see what works. Shoe preferences are very individual.

I’m a light runner and I found the takumi fairly rubbish in terms of I don’t think I’ve enough force to get back much from it. Used them for a few intervals but they’re the last ones I’d reach for

Takumi sen 11's feel fantastic for track and threshold work, paces 3:20 to 3:45/km. When running easy between reps though they do feel a bit harsh, but once you get going, they are quite snappy and lightweight. I also expect durability to be high. Haven't tried the takumi sen 10 though. Tried the bostons, but felt too clunky for my preferences. Anything longer, with treshold reps and marathon pace, asics megablast have been amazing.

If you are looking for something different, maybe the Takumi Sen 11. They feel like rockets to me. Haven't taken them for longer runs but just for workouts like mile repeats and they are fantastic.