Magic Speed 2

I loved Novablast 3, liked Novablast 4, never tried Novablast 5. I like/loved Superblast 1, absolutely love Superblast 2. Superblast 2 I think only gets responsive feel at a certain speed/effort and above, but is really good at locking in at a pace and feels exactly the same 20+ miles later. For me, it's just reliable on any type of run I do. But, for the type of workouts you wrote, I've used Magic Speed 2 and Magic Speed 3. Wanted to try Magic Speed 4, but ended up not getting them. 4 was supposedly a departure from 1, 2, & 3, as they added more stack, but with the introduction of Megablast, I saw they brought the new Magic Speed 5 back to where Magic Speed used to be. I saw good reviews online. I really wanted to get them as soon as they came out, but i have too many retired from duty race shoes that I need to use till their death for those workouts.

I over pronate and did my first race today in the endorphin speed 5 and had bad posterior shin and knee pain after too. The best shoe I’ve ever had for my over pronation is the ASICS Magic Speed 2. Never raced with them, but they were springiest, efficient, fore front striking shoe I had. I found with my pronation the less time my foot stays in contact with the ground, the better.

Hey I’m an over pronater and about 105kg (if I did my conversion correctly). Just did a 10k today and used the endorphin speed 5… which I wouldn’t recommend. Striking felt weird, unsupported, and ultimately caused posterior knee/shin pain for me. The best shoe I’ve had for this was the ASICS Magic speed 2, but I’ve never raced in them. This has a springy plate that allows me to have super efficient forefront striking. They’re super light too, but they don’t last long and now they’re worn through. I’m looking for something like this with better wear and balance (it’s very front-biased, but quick!)

Yea that’s totally fair. Running form is so subjective- totally depends on what feels comfy and fast and safe for you. I’m a heavy guy so I found that minimal time striking makes me feel safe and fast. The rolling mechanism on the endorphin just felt so weird to me and put a lot of strain on my posterior upper shin/knee. Not sure if you ever train with strides, but that’s exactly what those ASICS magic speeds help me “feel” as far as muscle memory goes. Quick tempo, quick strikes, etc. They just degraded quickly. But like you said everyone is different. My dad runs with Mizuno so I can ask him what he’s heard about the hyperwarp pro.

I too have a wide mid-foot. My thoughts on brands/models: * As a brand, Hoka would probably be my last choice. They are known for being narrow in general and even in a wide width, all the ones I've tried just don't feel right to me. * I have no personal experience with Brooks, though I know they're popular. Most of their shoes are very high drop, which I don't like, so I've always just avoided the brand. * Puma is another brand I've never even tried. To my knowledge, they don't make anything in a wide width. * Nike is another brand that I've mostly avoided becasue they didn't really offer wide width shoes for the most part. Plus they weren't exactly known for being on the wider side in the "normal" width shoes. That said, the Vomero Plus is really intriguing and is offered in Extra Wide. I'm definitely thinking about trying a pair, though the 10mm drop is a concern. * Both Asics and Saucony have been hit or miss for me. For example, I always loved the Saucony Kinvaras, but some of the other models didn't feel right. Same with Asics. I liked the Magic Speed and Magic Speed 2, but the Novablasts that everyone else seems to love were not for me. * New Balance, as a brand always gets props from me. They are the only brand I'm aware of that actually makes their racing shoe in a wide width (the SC Elite). That said, I feel like even their wide-widths are not always wide enough for me in the mid-foot area so they can be hit or miss. * I don't have a ton of experience with Mizuno, but I did have the Wave Sky 8 (I think that was it), and it was a great easy run shoe. Way too heavy for a race shoe, though and Mizuno does not make any of their faster shoes in a wide width. * Probably my favorite brand right now has got to be Adidas. IMO, they are just killing it in term of design and tech. My current racing shoes are Adizero Adios Pro 3s in a normal width. ( I do need to retire those and will probably give the Pro 4s a try.) As a brand, they tend to run wide, so I can successfully wear these even though that are not technically a wide width. I also **love, Love, LOVE** the Adizero EVO SL, even though it's also a normal width shoe. If you told me I had to stick to one shoe for the rest of my life, that would be it. Good luck!

I too have a wide mid-foot. My thoughts on brands/models: * As a brand, Hoka would probably be my last choice. They are known for being narrow in general and even in a wide width, all the ones I've tried just don't feel right to me. * I have no personal experience with Brooks, though I know they're popular. Most of their shoes are very high drop, which I don't like, so I've always just avoided the brand. * Puma is another brand I've never even tried. To my knowledge, they don't make anything in a wide width. * Nike is another brand that I've mostly avoided becasue they didn't really offer wide width shoes for the most part. Plus they weren't exactly known for being on the wider side in the "normal" width shoes. That said, the Vomero Plus is really intriguing and is offered in Extra Wide. I'm definitely thinking about trying a pair, though the 10mm drop is a concern. * Both Asics and Saucony have been hit or miss for me. For example, I always loved the Saucony Kinvaras, but some of the other models didn't feel right. Same with Asics. I liked the Magic Speed and Magic Speed 2, but the Novablasts that everyone else seems to love were not for me. * New Balance, as a brand always gets props from me. They are the only brand I'm aware of that actually makes their racing shoe in a wide width (the SC Elite). That said, I feel like even their wide-widths are not always wide enough for me in the mid-foot area so they can be hit or miss. * I don't have a ton of experience with Mizuno, but I did have the Wave Sky 8 (I think that was it), and it was a great easy run shoe. Way too heavy for a race shoe, though and Mizuno does not make any of their faster shoes in a wide width. * Probably my favorite brand right now has got to be Adidas. IMO, they are just killing it in term of design and tech. My current racing shoes are Adizero Adios Pro 3s in a normal width. ( I do need to retire those and will probably give the Pro 4s a try.) As a brand, they tend to run wide, so I can successfully wear these even though that are not technically a wide width. I also **love, Love, LOVE** the Adizero EVO SL, even though it's also a normal width shoe. If you told me I had to stick to one shoe for the rest of my life, that would be it. Good luck!

Probably Saucony endorphins speed, Asics Magic Speed or NB fuell cell rebel. Fast plated trainers that are quite stable 

Same thing with magic speed. Carbon plate and narrow heel. Those shoes are designed for people who run fast and thus their heel never touches the ground. Most slower paced runners heel strike. It’s just how gravity works. If you heel strike at all, any carbon plated race shoe outside of maybe Saucony Endorphin Pro is not a good choice. Not to say the ASIC race line aren’t great shoes, they are, but you have to be a fast, experienced runner to reap the benefits. I’m not sure if you golf, but pro golfers use a type of irons called “blades”, they’re thinner, lighter, harder, and have a much smaller sweet spot in the face of the club, but if you know you can hit the ball dead center every time, they will give you the best performance and control over the spin and flight of the ball. However, if you put those clubs in the hands of a newbie, they’re going to rarely hit a good shot. That’s why beginner/intermediate golfers use heavier, more forgiving irons with a larger sweet spot. Yes they won’t get the same distance, but their odds of accuracy and consistency are much higher. Sonicblast is absolutely fine but your feet may hurt after a mile or two from the pebax. And they’re still inferior for a beginner to Megablast and EVO SL for a 5k/10k.

What’s your pace like? Some of them are only really comfortable at higher paces. I really like the ASICS Novablasts or Superblasts as they can be used as daily trainers at any pace but perform really well at higher speeds in races. The ASICS Magic Speeds are also great if you want a carbon plate, they perform fantastically for 5km up to half marathons but I find that they fall apart beyond that so no good for marathons. There’s also some great deals on Adidas Adios Pro 4 atm from various places and they’re a great super shoe, that’ll do anything from 5k to marathon distance. They are a bit more suited to paces around and under 4min/km though I find and do run small, but they’re not uncomfortable at slower paces and definitely perform better for me as a heavier/slower runner than Vaporflys and similar super shoes. I’m sure the Kipruns are good but I’ve been able to find all the above at a similar price and I guess just trust those brands a bit more.

I wonder bakit walang nag-suggest ng Asics Magic speed. That shoe is for speed session.