Hyperion Elite 4

I also overpronate a little and ran 2 HM in the Brooks Hyperion GTS 2... a very light and fast shoe but depends on your preferences if the cushioning is enough for you for that distance. Still a great shoe for 5k or 10k. Wouldn't use it for longer than HM, though. Regardless of that, maybe stable neutral shoes also work for you as for me? I have no issues in Asics Superblast 2, Puma Deviate Nitro 3. I hear the Deviate Nitro Elite 3 are also quite stable. I also ran HM distance in Brooks Hyperion Max 2 (not my favorite, too stiff and unstable. Liked it for 10k but found better options now), Brooks Hyperion Elite 4 PB (very comfy, bouncy and fast, but not a stability shoe, so not very stable, still enough for me)

Bigger runner here. 250+ lbs 6'1 myself. Mid to heel striker. I too run in the Novablast 5 in regular width and it has been great. I also run in the EVO SL (tad unstable) and Glycerin Max (upper has been kinda stiff lately) and those are also currently staples in my rotation. Lately, I've been reaching for most is the Vomero 18 (easy/recovery/long runs), Superblast 2 (long runs with some tempo), and New Balance SC Elite v4 in in wide for my comfort choice for race day. Other shoes I enjoy mainly due to comfort: Daily Trainer: Adidas SL2 in wide (this does everything tbh) Long Run: Hurricane 24 (quintessential max stack cruiser), Pegasus Premium (wild and crazy bounce) Tempo: Zoom Fly 6 (this shoe just works) Race Day: Endorphin Pro 4 (for when I don't want to worry about what's on my feet), Alphafly 3 (when I wanna go fast), Hyperion Elite 4 PB (best upper), Adios Pro 3 (when I need to match the Adidas race day drip)

I actually never bought the SC Trainer because I thought it would've been redundant to have the SC Elite and that shoe at the same time. Looking back though I see the SC Trainer as the workhorse that you get a bulk of your miles in then the SC Elite you reserve for race day. I have tried the SC Trainer on and I thought that there were other super shoes that were better for bulk mileage (Glycerin Max/Superblast 2)

I (F39) liked hyp max 2 more than 3 (ran marathon in them 3:44), was super excited for 3 but they hurt me. I did like brooks Hyperion elite and ran a half in them (1:39), and will run a full in them next week. I would also recommend Asics Sonicblast - great light plated shoes for short picks ups/tempo runs. I ran 14mi tempo in them and regretted (knee joints felt meh afterwards) but shorted intervals are great in them (the other day I ran mile repeats 7:10 and 6:50 instead of 7:40 bc I didn’t even feel the pace).

It's a different shoe but the Brooks Hyperion Elite PB can be had on clearance and I really like it (as a fellow lover of the Speed 2). It's lighter, carbon plated, but reminiscent for me. I have the Speed 4 and they are a disappointment compared to the Speed 2, where the Hyperion PB make me smile (and I got them 60% off). Fit seems similar too. Just is more tilted to the faster end of things where the Speed 2 might be more versatile for slower speed sessions as well as fast.

Hi, be good to have an idea of the paces your running, and if you're happy to share whether you're a heel or forefoot or midfoot striker, whether you overpronate, medium or narrow or wide foot, and anything else. The Adrenaline GTS is a support designed to help stabilise your foot and ankle as you roll through your stride, stopping an excessive inward roll. Is this something you need? I'd suggest starting with something that relatively stability and some heel to toe drop. Carbon racers with the high energy return midsoles tend to be less stable than trainers, especially support trainers like the GTS, however some are relatively more stable compared to others. \-Saucony Endorphin Pro 4 has a good reputation as a starting point carbon shoe. Medium fit I'd say. \-The Alphafly 3 was a big winner for a lot of people over the marathon distance the last year or more. \-The Brooks Hyperion Elite PB also has a bit of stability but is quite narrow throughout (fits me like a glove and I love it), not a lot of heel to land on as a result. The Elite 5 I am not sure how it compares stability and 'friendliness' wise, but has higher energy return. All of the above would be good from 5km to marathon if they suit your gait, foot strike, foot shape and paces. Runrepeat's reviews are an excellent source for lab tested energy return, widths, shock absorption and more, and they give an indication around stability. Doctors of Running are a good source of reviews to zero in on fit and stability.

Cool. I think given you're going above that 4:30/km pace a plated race shoe could definitely add some pop! Just be aware that with your overpronation race shoes are inherently unstable. Targeted strength work generally can help with that The Hyperion Elite PB are likely too narrow. Not sure about the v5 but if reviews say they're similar they may not work. The Pro 4 are medium width in the top box I'd say, so might work. Wider platform underfoot and the way your foot goes into the midsole gives a little stability. I've not tried on the Alphafly 3 but they're favoured for marathons because they are less unstable than some rivals apparently. Given the width factor I'd add in the New Balance Supercomp Elite v4 or v5. Between them, the Pro 4, and the Alphafly you've got a good shortlist. Most of these, if not all, can be found on discount at the moment. Enjoy!

TL:DR - Endorphin Pro 4 or Sonicblast if they fit you right and you're happy with a plate in the shoe. I love the Sonicblast. Great energy return and shock absorption. High stack but relatively stable for its stack. Fits quite narrow. Not as light as the Endorphins but so much protection underfoot as a result and an upper I find comfy. Might find it a bit heavy for really quick sessions like 5km threshold or multiple 1km intervals for example. Some more info: \-I have the Speed 4 and don't like it near as much as the Speed 2 so personally wouldn't recommend it, but many like it. The wider bottom of the outsole and the shape gives a little stability on the v4's given the energy return (both the Speed 4 and Pro 4). \-New Balance typically fits a bit wider, matter of preference. I liked the SC Elite when I tried them recently but they weren't quite the right shape for my foot (though I love the 1080 v14 for my easy days). \-Boston 13 didn't feel right on me, and and Hoka's shape doesn't fit my feet in current models I tried (like the Mach X3 or Mach 6 or Rocket X 3). If it fits you right the Mach X3 could be worth a look though, it's another high stack shoe with energy return. \-Or leftfield idea, the Brooks Hyperion Elite PB which is relatively stable for a race shoe and relatively comfortable - again fits narrow, again can be found on clearance. I tried them on at 60% off and had to buy them for fast training sessions when I want something quicker and lighter than the Sonicblast!

I’m usually a Brooks girl (a lot of miles in Glycerins) but love the Endorphin Elite for race day. I’ve gone through a couple of pairs and both have been excellent and reliable - could be interesting if you’re already in the Saucony world too. They’ve been part of my plan for a couple of big marathon PRs.  IMO they are very light, and have an intense rocker, but still feel stable and comfortable. Minimal ground feel but also not deep cushion… just bouncy.  Haven’t tried a ton of super shoes but they were a big step up for me from the Brooks Hyperion Elite (which just still isn’t super competitive). 

Everyone has a crazy big lineup these days. I would argue Brooks doesn't even have that big of one. There is only one Adrenaline and it's the GTS. Anything with GTS means it has guiderails, so that includes the Addiction and Beast/Ariel. Addiction is the medium cushion walker, Beast is the heavy duty motion control shoe and the Ariel is the women's equivalent.  The Glycerin is a high cushion super franchise for them. You have the Glycerin, Glycerin GTS (stability), Max (super max cushion), and Flex (stealthfit upper, for people who want a higher cushion flexible shoe). Ghost Max is their max cushion shoe. 40 mm stack, stable neutral, rocker in the front. The Defyance is part of their budget lineup. Whole bunch of other shoes in there too. The Hyperion lineup is their speed lineup, with their bouncier foams. The regular is your standard uptempo trainer. The Max is your plated supertrainer. The Elite is the WA legal plated super shoe for racing

Man this forum really sleeps on Brooks. Between their Hyperion line and the very affordable Launch 11, they are my making the best shows for me these days.