Hyperion Elite

How fast are you? Will you do well with a reasonably fast shoe or do you need a top of the line super shoe to push turnover and pop? There are not a lot of “fast” shoes for people who need pronation control. Hyperion GTS is really it. It’s a lightweight shoe with decent foam and would be fine up to half marathon. But it’s not plated and it’s not a supershoe. If you need a plated supershoe, there are some that are more stable than others. ASICS S4 is designed to provide more stability for those who will be racing for longer periods of time (those looking to break a 4hr marathon time). It is not a stability shoe. It doesn’t provide any pronation control at all, but as supershoes go, it’s about the only one that is designed to at least provide some support when the runner gets fatigued over the later hours. Most supershoes are intended to be worn for faster race times, so maintaining stability isn’t a huge concern. A few shoes are more stable than others, but many of them are not as fast as some other options. Hyperion Elite (1-3) are very stable, SC Elite is also stable. Neither is terribly fast. Endorphin Pro is fairly stable. Adios Pro 3 is fairly stable (the fastest of the bunch). But none of these are stability shoes and none provide any pronation control. They simply have wider platforms, less wobbly foam and an overall geometry that is more stable than some options (where you need fairly pristine form to avoid rolling an ankle). So it depends on how fast you are and how much pronation control you need.

It's a different shoe but the Brooks Hyperion Elite PB can be had on clearance and I really like it (as a fellow lover of the Speed 2). It's lighter, carbon plated, but reminiscent for me. I have the Speed 4 and they are a disappointment compared to the Speed 2, where the Hyperion PB make me smile (and I got them 60% off). Fit seems similar too. Just is more tilted to the faster end of things where the Speed 2 might be more versatile for slower speed sessions as well as fast.

Hi, be good to have an idea of the paces your running, and if you're happy to share whether you're a heel or forefoot or midfoot striker, whether you overpronate, medium or narrow or wide foot, and anything else. The Adrenaline GTS is a support designed to help stabilise your foot and ankle as you roll through your stride, stopping an excessive inward roll. Is this something you need? I'd suggest starting with something that relatively stability and some heel to toe drop. Carbon racers with the high energy return midsoles tend to be less stable than trainers, especially support trainers like the GTS, however some are relatively more stable compared to others. \-Saucony Endorphin Pro 4 has a good reputation as a starting point carbon shoe. Medium fit I'd say. \-The Alphafly 3 was a big winner for a lot of people over the marathon distance the last year or more. \-The Brooks Hyperion Elite PB also has a bit of stability but is quite narrow throughout (fits me like a glove and I love it), not a lot of heel to land on as a result. The Elite 5 I am not sure how it compares stability and 'friendliness' wise, but has higher energy return. All of the above would be good from 5km to marathon if they suit your gait, foot strike, foot shape and paces. Runrepeat's reviews are an excellent source for lab tested energy return, widths, shock absorption and more, and they give an indication around stability. Doctors of Running are a good source of reviews to zero in on fit and stability.

Cool. I think given you're going above that 4:30/km pace a plated race shoe could definitely add some pop! Just be aware that with your overpronation race shoes are inherently unstable. Targeted strength work generally can help with that The Hyperion Elite PB are likely too narrow. Not sure about the v5 but if reviews say they're similar they may not work. The Pro 4 are medium width in the top box I'd say, so might work. Wider platform underfoot and the way your foot goes into the midsole gives a little stability. I've not tried on the Alphafly 3 but they're favoured for marathons because they are less unstable than some rivals apparently. Given the width factor I'd add in the New Balance Supercomp Elite v4 or v5. Between them, the Pro 4, and the Alphafly you've got a good shortlist. Most of these, if not all, can be found on discount at the moment. Enjoy!

TL:DR - Endorphin Pro 4 or Sonicblast if they fit you right and you're happy with a plate in the shoe. I love the Sonicblast. Great energy return and shock absorption. High stack but relatively stable for its stack. Fits quite narrow. Not as light as the Endorphins but so much protection underfoot as a result and an upper I find comfy. Might find it a bit heavy for really quick sessions like 5km threshold or multiple 1km intervals for example. Some more info: \-I have the Speed 4 and don't like it near as much as the Speed 2 so personally wouldn't recommend it, but many like it. The wider bottom of the outsole and the shape gives a little stability on the v4's given the energy return (both the Speed 4 and Pro 4). \-New Balance typically fits a bit wider, matter of preference. I liked the SC Elite when I tried them recently but they weren't quite the right shape for my foot (though I love the 1080 v14 for my easy days). \-Boston 13 didn't feel right on me, and and Hoka's shape doesn't fit my feet in current models I tried (like the Mach X3 or Mach 6 or Rocket X 3). If it fits you right the Mach X3 could be worth a look though, it's another high stack shoe with energy return. \-Or leftfield idea, the Brooks Hyperion Elite PB which is relatively stable for a race shoe and relatively comfortable - again fits narrow, again can be found on clearance. I tried them on at 60% off and had to buy them for fast training sessions when I want something quicker and lighter than the Sonicblast!

I (F39) liked hyp max 2 more than 3 (ran marathon in them 3:44), was super excited for 3 but they hurt me. I did like brooks Hyperion elite and ran a half in them (1:39), and will run a full in them next week. I would also recommend Asics Sonicblast - great light plated shoes for short picks ups/tempo runs. I ran 14mi tempo in them and regretted (knee joints felt meh afterwards) but shorted intervals are great in them (the other day I ran mile repeats 7:10 and 6:50 instead of 7:40 bc I didn’t even feel the pace).

I’m usually a Brooks girl (a lot of miles in Glycerins) but love the Endorphin Elite for race day. I’ve gone through a couple of pairs and both have been excellent and reliable - could be interesting if you’re already in the Saucony world too. They’ve been part of my plan for a couple of big marathon PRs.  IMO they are very light, and have an intense rocker, but still feel stable and comfortable. Minimal ground feel but also not deep cushion… just bouncy.  Haven’t tried a ton of super shoes but they were a big step up for me from the Brooks Hyperion Elite (which just still isn’t super competitive). 

Everyone has a crazy big lineup these days. I would argue Brooks doesn't even have that big of one. There is only one Adrenaline and it's the GTS. Anything with GTS means it has guiderails, so that includes the Addiction and Beast/Ariel. Addiction is the medium cushion walker, Beast is the heavy duty motion control shoe and the Ariel is the women's equivalent.  The Glycerin is a high cushion super franchise for them. You have the Glycerin, Glycerin GTS (stability), Max (super max cushion), and Flex (stealthfit upper, for people who want a higher cushion flexible shoe). Ghost Max is their max cushion shoe. 40 mm stack, stable neutral, rocker in the front. The Defyance is part of their budget lineup. Whole bunch of other shoes in there too. The Hyperion lineup is their speed lineup, with their bouncier foams. The regular is your standard uptempo trainer. The Max is your plated supertrainer. The Elite is the WA legal plated super shoe for racing

Everyone has a crazy big lineup these days. I would argue Brooks doesn't even have that big of one. There is only one Adrenaline and it's the GTS. Anything with GTS means it has guiderails, so that includes the Addiction and Beast/Ariel. Addiction is the medium cushion walker, Beast is the heavy duty motion control shoe and the Ariel is the women's equivalent.  The Glycerin is a high cushion super franchise for them. You have the Glycerin, Glycerin GTS (stability), Max (super max cushion), and Flex (stealthfit upper, for people who want a higher cushion flexible shoe). Ghost Max is their max cushion shoe. 40 mm stack, stable neutral, rocker in the front. The Defyance is part of their budget lineup. Whole bunch of other shoes in there too. The Hyperion lineup is their speed lineup, with their bouncier foams. The regular is your standard uptempo trainer. The Max is your plated supertrainer. The Elite is the WA legal plated super shoe for racing

Hard to say, without being in your shoes. You have a great rotation, and if I where you I would stick with what you have. Pronation is not in itself bad, it’s part of the body’s natural impact dampening system. It has been abused by the running shoe sellers, in my opinion. The main question if you want to move to a less stable shoe, is whether you are strong enough to naturally control the ankle, and not fall inwards, ei over pronation. But with five weeks left, I would stick with what works. You could treat yourself to another pair of ZF6 in a fancy color, if the urge for new gear is there. If you want to try out a hardcore race shoe, I would not go with the Alphafly, even should it on paper looks like the next step up. It’s a hard shoe to make work, and it needs an aggressive running gait and higher tempo than you are aiming at to work well. Some of the more stable race shoes I have tried would be Brooks hyperion elite, and a step down in stability, Metaspeed Edge (NOT sky).

Your weight definitely matter, seen in context of how strong your legs and ankles are! The impact force when you land in each step is three to four times your body weight, so just 20 pounds overweight is 80 pounds more your feet and shoes needs to absorb. Race shoes are typically very soft, and if you have trouble controlling your ankles when you land, that’s a recipe for disaster. Add more punds for a heavier running, and that’s just compounding the situation. I am not saying that a heavy runs cannot use soft (race) shoes, but you need to have strong legs and a neutral running gait. And even then I would ease into them slowly.

I used to have a BAD running shoe problem, I had like 25. I am now reformed but still have a lot apparently: *Hoka Mach 6 for everyday runs, I run part road part trail and these get gunked up every day, ugly lavender but muddied up which I love *Brooks Hyperion for everyday runs or short races (5k, 10k) -I was using this as dailys but I was gunking them on trails and I like them too much so I got the hokas above to destroy *Adidas Adizero Evo SL for road long runs (will use for my half marathons) -LOVE this shoe, cushy but speedy, makes me feel super fast *Hoka speedgoats for trail -I am meh about these, I prefer road shoes on trail, if I had more technical or slippery trails I would use these but other than that they just exist Vintage: *Adidas adizero adios boost, used to be my LD race shoes, they are like 10 years old and I refuse to give them up because they are old school undercushioned and fast *Mizuno hitogami also about 10 years old, proper racing flats supposedly for mid distance but I love them for short distance. Love love love how clicky they are, they go so fast Ok, nobody reading this but it warmed my heart to talk about my shoes, lol