Brooks - Hyperion GTS 2

Looking for recommendations that are either stability or stable-neutral. No major issues in my current rotation but I feel like there’s something better out there. Specifically looking for maximum comfort on easy days, no need for any injections of pace. Midfoot striker, 80kg. Easy pace is 5:30-6:00/km. Current rotation: Easy: ASICS GT-2000 13 / Puma ForeverRun Nitro Speedwork: Brooks Hyperion 2 GTS (one of my all time favourites) Long runs: ASICS Superblast 2 (these make my knees a bit sad but I like them otherwise) Racing: Adidas Adios Pro 4 (just retired Alphafly 3 but had a lot of joy in them)

Brooks Hyperion 2 GTS

They last too, I’m over 600km into my pair and still going strong.

Same, I have [the hyperion 2 gts](https://www.reddit.com/user/ArtisticColdShoulder/comments/1mgcnlf/lightweight_road_running_shoe_with_comfortable/) too, and I think it's just about the most comfortable running shoe I've ever worn, especially for longer endurance runs

That’s what I used for racing and speed sessions when I needed stability shoes and they are very good

Brooks Hyperion 3 (not max). I have run in the Hyperion 2 GTS (up to half marathon). Tried the 3 once and loved them instantly, but I don't own a pair (yet).

I think they are not really on sale yet. I started with Brooks and almost every shoe I tried worked for me, but I didn't compare much. Nike and Puma are often too narrow but they bith have shoes that fit me nowadays. I guess Brooks is not the best in any category but they have solid, high quality and quite durable shoes. Especially the Hyperion 2 and 3 fell very natural for me and Kofuzi (YouTube) sees the Hyperion 3 more as a solid daily trainer, since it's not the speediest shoe but good allrounder.

A few things to consider: Have you run your long runs and up to 20 miles in the Evo SL? I heard the Lightstrike Pro foam gets better and better, so if you wanna buy a new pair, do it now and get at least 60-100 miles in them to get the best performance out of them in 4 weeks. First thought: don't change anything now, 4 weeks before your race, besides maybe a new pair of Evo SLs. Do you have the chance to get a pair of Megablasts? I'd say they are the best Marathon shoes without a plate. Very good bounce and comfort (maybe besides the minimal and slightly narrow upper). They are also more stable than the Evo SL, so maybe less pain. Only 4 weeks to find out is a risk though. I have the Hyperion 2 GTS and took them up to 2 Half Marathons but they are more of a short distance tempo trainerfor me. Hyperion 3 felt great in a short test. The Evo SL is more comfy, but also unstable so I wouldn't even go Half Marathon in them personally. Long distance kings are my Superblasts 2, even though they can feel a bit firm at slower paces. Have my first Marathon in September and besides having Hyperion Elite 4 PB and Deviate Nitro Elite 3, the Megablasts will probably be my choice for that distance.

I also overpronate a little and ran 2 HM in the Brooks Hyperion GTS 2... a very light and fast shoe but depends on your preferences if the cushioning is enough for you for that distance. Still a great shoe for 5k or 10k. Wouldn't use it for longer than HM, though. Regardless of that, maybe stable neutral shoes also work for you as for me? I have no issues in Asics Superblast 2, Puma Deviate Nitro 3. I hear the Deviate Nitro Elite 3 are also quite stable. I also ran HM distance in Brooks Hyperion Max 2 (not my favorite, too stiff and unstable. Liked it for 10k but found better options now), Brooks Hyperion Elite 4 PB (very comfy, bouncy and fast, but not a stability shoe, so not very stable, still enough for me)

Since you mentioned overpronating... the Brooks Hyperion 2 GTS are very light and quick. Used them for my intervall and tempo runs and even ran two HM in them. They have the GTS stability guiderails and I like those shoes for high cadence efforts. Not the highest stack though and no plate, but maybe you can try them.

For your info: in my EU 43 (US 9.5) they weigh 220 gr. so I guess one of the lightest and fastest 'stability' shoes, although it's not an aggressive stability shoe. Hope you find some good shoes ✊️

>I got them outside and run for longer I’ve had such sluggish and boring runs! Probably not the worst thing for easy miles, which is where stability is thought to be most relevant. When you're running fast your leg muscles are apparently more dialed-in and you are less likely to experience negative effects of excessive pronation. You could rotate your Adrenalines with a neutral uptempo trainer for fast days, if you don't mind your easy runs being boring. That said, if you want an uptempo stability shoe, I believe the only true options on the market are the Hyperion GTS 2 (last year's model, Brooks has discontinued the GTS variants of the Hyperion as of the 3) and the Saucony Tempus (the Tempus 2 was the latest in this line, I've seen media of a Tempus 3 but someone recently told me this shoe is no longer happening?). I have both the Hyperion GTS 2 and the Tempus 2. The Hyperion GTS 2 is extremely lightweight, lower stack, very firm, narrow but the upper is very well designed and can accommodate a range of different foot volumes, significant rocker, doesn't use a superfoam but it's still a fairly peppy foam, and the stability elements are pretty mild. It might be my favourite shoe, great if you like a lightweight and natural-feeling ride with a fair bit of ground-feel. The Tempus 2 on the other hand has a somewhat soft superfoam in the heel and forefoot, but also features an *extremely* firm EVA "stability frame" which dominates the midfoot, it's comparable to an average daily trainer in width and stack height and weight, the upper is made of pretty crappy material and is only really suited to low-volume feet (even up a half-size my slightly higher-volume feet still got kinda squeezed), and the stability elements are moderate-to-intrusive imo. I find that going downhill the superfoam kicks in and they provide a lot of energy return which is fun, but on flat ground I find that the feeling of my midfoot landing on the harsh stability frame over and over again is very jarring, and for this reason I absolutely hate this shoe. But other people in this thread are eagerly recommending it, so it could just be a me thing. I think some of the more "daily" options like the Puma Foreverrun and the most recent Kayano are meant to be a little more exciting than a typical stability plodder, but I haven't tried them. >I’ve also had pain in my arches and calves since wearing the Brooks but not sure if that is adjustment to the extra support or if these are just not the shoes for me. The theory is that the high drop and the stability elements are meant to offload your arches and lower leg muscles, calves included. Maybe for whatever reason these shoes just aren't a good match for your biomechanics. As others in the thread have mentioned, high amounts of pronation don't automatically mean you need a stability shoe. There may also be a limit to the amount of intrusiveness from stability elements which your biomechanics will tolerate. It might be best to stick to what has worked for you until such a time as it becomes apparent that you need some stability. In terms of preventative measures, introducing strength training is probably a better early intervention. (Calf raises, etc.)

I use the Clifton 10 for easy/recovery runs. Most of the other Hokas are 5-drop and narrow, neither my preference. I also find Nikes and most Pumas too narrow. The only Adidas I like are the Boston 12/13, absolute bangers for intervals and hills repeats. Mainly run in Saucony Endorphin Speed, occasionally Ride 18. A few Brooks as well- Hyperion gts2, etc. Race day- New Balance SC Elite v4.

There’s quite some space between Pegasus 40 and Kayano 31. If you want to get valuable replies, you need to share a bit more info. Kayano is a relatively heavy stability shoe for (slow) comfortable long(er) distance running. They’re not known for responsiveness. Plenty of other shoes are. The question is what you can handle and what mix between responsiveness, damping and stability is right for you. I’m tall and relatively skinny, have no weight issues, but my joints aren’t great (knees, ankles and toes) and with 20+ years in a desk job had some leg muscle building to do. I’m 100km into my NB 1080 v14’s and am loving them. Great mix between plushness and responsiveness. I would also have liked to test Hoka Skyflow. For my tempo runs I use Brooks Hyperion 2 GTS. Those are great too, but not for long distance. My recommendation: throw your info and requirements into Gemini or Chat GPT and ask it to propose a top 3, then come back here to ask for advice. Gemini Deep Research is proving pretty solid!

Wow. Thats a relic and a half. 8-12mm is a fairly negligible difference. 12 to 6 is much more noticeable and Fresh foam from 15 years ago was a virtual brick compared to most foams on the market now. So the softer foam, the lower drop and really, shoes have a whole new engineering with rockers and things. I don’t think you need to stay with a 12mm drop. But maybe cutting it in half in one go, while changing to modern foam and shoe geometry may have been a little more than you were ready for after 15 years of 1225. The 1225 was the stability version of the 1080 (I think). The current stability version of the 1080 is the Vongo. So you may want to give that a shot. I think they are on version 6? Maybe 7? Unless it’s been discontinued. If that is too soft, you may want to try the 860. That’s also a stability option, but has less cushion. Heading outside of New Balance, ASICS Kayano and GT2000 are their tried and true stability options (GT 2000 will be more firm, Kayano more plush). Saucony has the Hurricane, Guide and the Tempus. The Guide is the regular stability daily trainer. The Hurricane is a higher cushion stability shoe with some super foam. The Tempus is a stability shoe with only super foam. It’s really a nice shoe. I’m not positive on the drop, but Adidas Supernova Solution would likely work as well. Any Brooks shoe that has “GTS” in the name is a stability shoe. If you can find a Launch GTS, that may be a very close match to the 1225 (it’s pretty firm with a high drop). The Adrenaline is their every day daily trainer stability shoe. And the Glycerin GTS is the higher cushion option. If you want something a little more fun, a little faster or more racy, the Hyperion 2 GTS could work. It’s not as firm as some, but it’s super foam (or at least some). Puma Forever Run Nitro is yet another option that could work. I’m not sure the drop again, but it’s a good shoe and a good ride (and it’s got stability). I would start with those and see what you can find and if any of those even feel agreeable to your feet (in terms of firmness, fit, etc.). You really should be able to go down to an 8-10 drop without a huge issue (again-barring all of the other enormous changes in shoes since you stockpiled your 1225’s).

Check out the Saucony Tempus 2 which packs some super foam, an efficient rocker, and mild stability in a lightweight package. It's a versatile shoe that's fast and fun. Brooks offers the Hyperion GTS 2 with guide rails providing mild support. They're light and nimble but the ride is firmer and doesn't have the energy return that Tempus provides. Another option is the Asics GT 2000-13 which has a ride that is similar to Brooks. I've run all 3. The Tempus is the most capable. I set PBs racing in them.

Saucony Tempus 2, Brooks Hyperion GTS 2, Asics GT 2000 13, and Puma Forever Run Nitro 2. Unfortunately, there aren't too many fast stability options on the market. If you're not a severe overpronator, check out some stable neutral models. I'm an overpronator and Superblast 2s work well for me personally.

Nimbus is similar to Kayano but without the stability features. The wife platform and raised sidewalls help to stabilize the high stack. It's a durable shoe. Every Brooks model I've run in had great build quality except Ghost Max. The glue failed in the heel before 100 miles. The rear of the shoe actually peeled off. Ghost, Glycerin, Adrenaline, and Hyperion are super durable. You may want to check out Saucony Hurricane 25. It's a stability model like Kayano but it's lighter, smoother, more energetic, and has a lower drop. I'm loving mine and so far they're extremely durable.

Not on the list but it’s what I’m using, I can easily run ~8 min mile paces in the brooks Hyperion 2 GTS’s. I would recommend not getting the gts version though if you don’t need the stability. I’ve seen as low as about 6 even with them so I know they have that kind of pace in them.

I use the hypeiron 2 GTS and adrenaline GTS 24's for running, and theyre both great and I have 0 complaints. However the go-to daily trainer and easy miles shoe of the two is most definitely the GTS 24. I can do a 30-35 minute 5k in them with little issue, and still feel fine to go walk around the park or store. I have the two shoes ive listed, along with the ghost max's, and have tried the ghost max 2's. There is definitely a difference between the GTS 23 and GTS 24, the 24 is far more cushy and responsive due to the better more advanced midsole. Same goes for the ghost max vs the max 2's, big difference there. When brooks makes a new version of a shoe, theres definitely a good difference. In terms of comparison, i've also used nike, hoka and adidas. In my experience, brooks tend to run the most narrow, but they arent like "ouch this is tight!" narrow. Theyre the most responsive shoes ive tried on, and you can definitely tell they're a company that aims to please. I have Nike infinity run 3's, and adidas ultraboosts that I wear for walking and daily use and the brooks feel lighter and peppier than those by a notable amount. Depending on your weight, pace, etc. I'd reccomend the adrenaline GTS 24's or Glycerin GTS 22's. Those are both great every day trainers that can pick up the pace, with the adrenaline in my opinion being the faster of the two.

I would say the hyperion 2 GTS! I run timed laps in these and running since january ive managed to average in the 7-8:30 mile range in them, they feel great and i have no complaints, and id bet with an experienced runner theyd be faster. Still breaking them in but have no doubts i could do a sub 30 5k in them. Very responsive and they definitely promote a faster pace. However, they are not the most cushioned out there but if i had to choose between responsiveness and the upper fit (which is amazing on them by the ways), id go hyperion 2 gts all day.

I overpronate and have a flat foot, and I love the brooks Hyperion 2 GTS’s. I have no doubt those shoes have a sub 8 minute mile in them all day every day. And I’m new to running. If you have wider feet though I would not recommend them.

I'd reccomend looking into what brooks has to offer! My running store said that insoles can be hit or miss, so they reccomended for a surefire solution to go with a true stability shoe. They gave me the brooks adrenaline GTS 24 and i love them, and they currently have 70 or so miles on them. I also got a pair of brooks hyperion GTS 2's that I love, and can do pretty quick 5k's. I do 1-2 5k's per week, and theyre a great time in the GTS 24's. Not super fast like the hyperions but definitely great. On my last casual non competitve 5k run this past week i think i clocked just shy of 34:30 with them on. The hyperions however can go much faster since theyre just that much more responsive compared to the adrenalines

brooks are great. I would highly reccomend the brooks adrenaline GTS 24's, if youre not trying to be hyper-competitve. They can be quick but not fast. I also have a pair of hyperion 2 gts's, and those are fast and keep me going the direction i want with no unwanted movement.

I love the brooks adrenaline GTS 24’s and Hyperion 2 GTS’s! I have a flat foot and one normal foot and I love both of those, the 24’s mainly for slower speeds and recovery days

I like my brooks Hyperion 2 GTS’s! I just started running in January and they’ve already helped me take my mile time from 12 minutes to 8:30-9 even. You may give those a try on and see what you think