Hyperion GTS 2

Looking for recommendations that are either stability or stable-neutral. No major issues in my current rotation but I feel like there’s something better out there. Specifically looking for maximum comfort on easy days, no need for any injections of pace. Midfoot striker, 80kg. Easy pace is 5:30-6:00/km. Current rotation: Easy: ASICS GT-2000 13 / Puma ForeverRun Nitro Speedwork: Brooks Hyperion 2 GTS (one of my all time favourites) Long runs: ASICS Superblast 2 (these make my knees a bit sad but I like them otherwise) Racing: Adidas Adios Pro 4 (just retired Alphafly 3 but had a lot of joy in them)

Brooks Hyperion 2 GTS

They last too, I’m over 600km into my pair and still going strong.

Same, I have [the hyperion 2 gts](https://www.reddit.com/user/ArtisticColdShoulder/comments/1mgcnlf/lightweight_road_running_shoe_with_comfortable/) too, and I think it's just about the most comfortable running shoe I've ever worn, especially for longer endurance runs

That’s what I used for racing and speed sessions when I needed stability shoes and they are very good

Brooks Hyperion 3 (not max). I have run in the Hyperion 2 GTS (up to half marathon). Tried the 3 once and loved them instantly, but I don't own a pair (yet).

I think they are not really on sale yet. I started with Brooks and almost every shoe I tried worked for me, but I didn't compare much. Nike and Puma are often too narrow but they bith have shoes that fit me nowadays. I guess Brooks is not the best in any category but they have solid, high quality and quite durable shoes. Especially the Hyperion 2 and 3 fell very natural for me and Kofuzi (YouTube) sees the Hyperion 3 more as a solid daily trainer, since it's not the speediest shoe but good allrounder.

A few things to consider: Have you run your long runs and up to 20 miles in the Evo SL? I heard the Lightstrike Pro foam gets better and better, so if you wanna buy a new pair, do it now and get at least 60-100 miles in them to get the best performance out of them in 4 weeks. First thought: don't change anything now, 4 weeks before your race, besides maybe a new pair of Evo SLs. Do you have the chance to get a pair of Megablasts? I'd say they are the best Marathon shoes without a plate. Very good bounce and comfort (maybe besides the minimal and slightly narrow upper). They are also more stable than the Evo SL, so maybe less pain. Only 4 weeks to find out is a risk though. I have the Hyperion 2 GTS and took them up to 2 Half Marathons but they are more of a short distance tempo trainerfor me. Hyperion 3 felt great in a short test. The Evo SL is more comfy, but also unstable so I wouldn't even go Half Marathon in them personally. Long distance kings are my Superblasts 2, even though they can feel a bit firm at slower paces. Have my first Marathon in September and besides having Hyperion Elite 4 PB and Deviate Nitro Elite 3, the Megablasts will probably be my choice for that distance.

I also overpronate a little and ran 2 HM in the Brooks Hyperion GTS 2... a very light and fast shoe but depends on your preferences if the cushioning is enough for you for that distance. Still a great shoe for 5k or 10k. Wouldn't use it for longer than HM, though. Regardless of that, maybe stable neutral shoes also work for you as for me? I have no issues in Asics Superblast 2, Puma Deviate Nitro 3. I hear the Deviate Nitro Elite 3 are also quite stable. I also ran HM distance in Brooks Hyperion Max 2 (not my favorite, too stiff and unstable. Liked it for 10k but found better options now), Brooks Hyperion Elite 4 PB (very comfy, bouncy and fast, but not a stability shoe, so not very stable, still enough for me)

Since you mentioned overpronating... the Brooks Hyperion 2 GTS are very light and quick. Used them for my intervall and tempo runs and even ran two HM in them. They have the GTS stability guiderails and I like those shoes for high cadence efforts. Not the highest stack though and no plate, but maybe you can try them.

For your info: in my EU 43 (US 9.5) they weigh 220 gr. so I guess one of the lightest and fastest 'stability' shoes, although it's not an aggressive stability shoe. Hope you find some good shoes ✊️

>I got them outside and run for longer I’ve had such sluggish and boring runs! Probably not the worst thing for easy miles, which is where stability is thought to be most relevant. When you're running fast your leg muscles are apparently more dialed-in and you are less likely to experience negative effects of excessive pronation. You could rotate your Adrenalines with a neutral uptempo trainer for fast days, if you don't mind your easy runs being boring. That said, if you want an uptempo stability shoe, I believe the only true options on the market are the Hyperion GTS 2 (last year's model, Brooks has discontinued the GTS variants of the Hyperion as of the 3) and the Saucony Tempus (the Tempus 2 was the latest in this line, I've seen media of a Tempus 3 but someone recently told me this shoe is no longer happening?). I have both the Hyperion GTS 2 and the Tempus 2. The Hyperion GTS 2 is extremely lightweight, lower stack, very firm, narrow but the upper is very well designed and can accommodate a range of different foot volumes, significant rocker, doesn't use a superfoam but it's still a fairly peppy foam, and the stability elements are pretty mild. It might be my favourite shoe, great if you like a lightweight and natural-feeling ride with a fair bit of ground-feel. The Tempus 2 on the other hand has a somewhat soft superfoam in the heel and forefoot, but also features an *extremely* firm EVA "stability frame" which dominates the midfoot, it's comparable to an average daily trainer in width and stack height and weight, the upper is made of pretty crappy material and is only really suited to low-volume feet (even up a half-size my slightly higher-volume feet still got kinda squeezed), and the stability elements are moderate-to-intrusive imo. I find that going downhill the superfoam kicks in and they provide a lot of energy return which is fun, but on flat ground I find that the feeling of my midfoot landing on the harsh stability frame over and over again is very jarring, and for this reason I absolutely hate this shoe. But other people in this thread are eagerly recommending it, so it could just be a me thing. I think some of the more "daily" options like the Puma Foreverrun and the most recent Kayano are meant to be a little more exciting than a typical stability plodder, but I haven't tried them. >I’ve also had pain in my arches and calves since wearing the Brooks but not sure if that is adjustment to the extra support or if these are just not the shoes for me. The theory is that the high drop and the stability elements are meant to offload your arches and lower leg muscles, calves included. Maybe for whatever reason these shoes just aren't a good match for your biomechanics. As others in the thread have mentioned, high amounts of pronation don't automatically mean you need a stability shoe. There may also be a limit to the amount of intrusiveness from stability elements which your biomechanics will tolerate. It might be best to stick to what has worked for you until such a time as it becomes apparent that you need some stability. In terms of preventative measures, introducing strength training is probably a better early intervention. (Calf raises, etc.)

I saw your thread the other day, didn't get around to replying. You're probably looking for a flexible, lower-stacked shoe, something which'll ask you to more naturally plantarflex rather than having a more rockered transition. This isn't really Asics's forte (practically all of the forward-looking Asics lines are 40mm+ heel stacks, and most of their trainers are pretty high stack too), you might look at the Noosa Tri if you want an Asics shoe for this. Other options would be the Puma Velocity Nitro 4, the Brooks Hyperion 2 or Ghost 17, the Hoka Mach 6/7, or the Saucony Kinvara 16. More extreme low-stack options might include the Topo Cyclone or the Adidas Adios 9. An intriguing tech solution if you really want to go in on flexibility is the recent Brooks Glycerin Flex. The Brooks Hyperion GTS 2 might also be a really good idea, as a fairly flexible low-stack shoe that also has mild medial stability elements. Most of these are more uptempo shoes, which is kind of a consequence of more relaxed trainers going to higher stacks these days. You could also look for flexible shoes [on RunRepeat](https://runrepeat.com/guides/flexible-vs-stiff-running-shoes), their flexibility testing seems reasonable.

The Hyperion GTS 2 and the Tempus 2 were really the last of the stability speed shoes. Apparently Saucony has [a new shoe](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UHwnGSFjfo) which might help fill the gap. I love the Hyperion GTS 2. It's a firmer, moderate-stack, mild stability shoe that is *incredibly* light for a stability shoe. It has a nice rockered geometry which encourages a faster pace but the flexibility to permit a natural ride. I bring it in when my post-tibs are having a bad time or when I just need a shoe which I can trust to look after me. It also has arguably the best training upper ever made. On the other hand I hate the Tempus 2. The upper made out of poor quality materials and is very narrow and torpedo-like, I went up a half-size and still felt squeezed. It's also pretty heavy (for comparison, \~60g heavier than the Hyperion GTS 2 and \~20g lighter than the Adrenaline GTS 24 in my size), its geometry doesn't really encourage a fast clip, and while it does feature a superfoam which can be quite propulsive when jamming on the heel during downhills, I find that on flat surfaces, even as a heel striker, I'm mostly getting a jarring experience from landing on the unyielding stability frame over and over, which just abuses my midfoot. Ideally you would try both of these, but they are both old models at this point so tracking them down could be difficult. Despite my negative review of the Tempus 2, there do seem to be a lot of people who love that shoe. Finally, I think it's worth noting that you might not need a stability shoe at all for speedwork. You'll tend to be more dialed in biomechanically during speed work, which means better-controlled pronation and less need for support. Stability can also be a time-on-feet game, if you run a certain percentage of your mileage (maybe 30%, maybe less or more) in a stability shoe then that may suffice to provide ample rest for the relevant anatomy. Being able to venture into non-stability options for speed opens up your options a lot. Oh, and if you're looking for a stable *race* shoe, while there isn't a stability race shoe on the market per se, New Balance's SC Elite v5 is way more stable than it has any right to be.

I use the Clifton 10 for easy/recovery runs. Most of the other Hokas are 5-drop and narrow, neither my preference. I also find Nikes and most Pumas too narrow. The only Adidas I like are the Boston 12/13, absolute bangers for intervals and hills repeats. Mainly run in Saucony Endorphin Speed, occasionally Ride 18. A few Brooks as well- Hyperion gts2, etc. Race day- New Balance SC Elite v4.

Original version of the Saucony Tempus, still available on Amazon, is much more of a performance shoe than the Guide (daily trainer) or Hurricane (long-run cruiser). A bit firm, doesn't have plush step-in feel, but deceptively quick and versatile for varying paces. Also in this category is the recently discontinued but still available Brooks Hyperion 2 gts. Very light, runs a little long, not the roomiest midfoot. Only the gts for stability.....the regular Hyperion 2 is neutral.

I'd reccomend looking into what brooks has to offer! My running store said that insoles can be hit or miss, so they reccomended for a surefire solution to go with a true stability shoe. They gave me the brooks adrenaline GTS 24 and i love them, and they currently have 70 or so miles on them. I also got a pair of brooks hyperion GTS 2's that I love, and can do pretty quick 5k's. I do 1-2 5k's per week, and theyre a great time in the GTS 24's. Not super fast like the hyperions but definitely great. On my last casual non competitve 5k run this past week i think i clocked just shy of 34:30 with them on. The hyperions however can go much faster since theyre just that much more responsive compared to the adrenalines