Neo Vista 2

Recovery: Glycerin Max 2 Daily: Altra Experience Flow 2 Long Run: Neo Zen 2 or Neo Vista 2 Speed Training: Mizuno Hyperwarp Pro Race: Hyperwarp Elite Trail: I'll just use my daily trainer

Consider mizuno neo Vista 2, you'll love them especially for long runs and stability

Mizuno Neo Zen or the Neo Vista 2. Excellent shock absorption and a lot of fun to run in.

I wrote a review for the Mount to Coast C1. I've run 159miles in the shoe. I got an automated take down, I think because I don't have enough karma. \--- Met some of the M2C PR staff at The Running Event. They seeded me the C1 for testing in early February. Bought the H1s with my own money, but these were free. Since then, I've put 159 miles on them. I'm 5'11, 150lbs. Just ran a half marathon PB of 1:10:20 (in the On Cloudboom Strike). TLDR: Great long run shoe, great pace versatility, questionable outsole durability, relatively good value at $180, true to size. — M2C took the circle cell foam that made the H1 really good and put it into a road-focused, high stack, non-plated trainer. It's been great to me. It competes directly with the Asics Superblast and the Mizuno Neo Vista. For me, it competes indirectly with Vomero Plus (which is more narrow, features a more aggressive geometry, and a bouncier foam), the Brooks Hyperion Max 3, and barely the Puma Mag Max (leans more recovery, not so versatile). What most people will be excited to hear: C1 can run slow or fast very comfortably. The heel bevel and forefoot rocker are super accommodating. I think people who run easy at 12min per mile and people who run easy at 7min per mile can both like this shoe. I've run some really good workouts in this shoe. Normally nothing faster than threshold pace. I've done marathon pace work, some grind-y long runs in the low 6s, and some hills at half marathon pace. The shoe's toe isn't necessarily helping you pick up the pace, but it's not stopping you at all, and it's not demanding that you strike in some specific way. For example, I did a 22 mile long run in sub6 minute average, and it was fine for the whole thing. There were some 5:15s in there and a couple of 7 flats in that effort. I finished the run and was of course hurting, but my feet were well protected the whole time with some hills in there on what was overall a really big effort. In terms of non-plated racing options for a full marathon, this has to be up there with SuperBlast and MegaBlast. It's been a cold winter, but I think the upper will breathe well in hotter climates. The shoe is a pontoon boat, a wide platform from front to back, but it's not heavy and in my opinion it's not slow. The C1 is good on wet pavement. The traction isn't good on snow or ice, just looking at the outsole it's not surprising. In contrast the M2C H1 is a great road shoe for bad/winter conditions. On the C1, the rubberized EVA layer on the outsole is relatively soft. It grips pavement well but is wearing through faster than I'd like. I noticed when M2C advertises shoes lasting X miles for Y days of Z ultra marathon, they rarely show the bottoms. I don't have experience with the R1 (hopefully soon). The H1 traction is nuts, hasn't changed at all in 100 miles of winter road, light trail, and treadmill running. It seems like the rubberized EVA carrier is going to wear down before the circle cell foam or the upper. I'd like to get at least 400 miles out of any shoe that costs over $160, but I'm not sure that's going to happen here. Additionally, the circle cell foam is starting to feel not super protective in my H1s after just about 200 miles...we'll see. Out of the box, the circle cell foam felt great. It draws comparison to LightStrikePro. It's relatively firm and super responsive, not squishy, not bouncy but comfortable and resilient. Ready for anything really. There's good sidewalls on this shoe, I'd call it stable neutral. There's a pretty plush sockliner as well for improved step in feel. The toe box of the C1 is wider than most brands, which is typical for M2C, not quite anatomical (like Topo or Altra) but just accommodating. I think accommodating is a great thing for a running shoe to be. When my foot swells during a long run, the extra toe box room is great. But it's not a sloppy fit. My ankle and midfoot are secure in the shoe. The dual lacing is a bit gimmicky, but it doesn't bother me. It takes me slightly longer to lace it up than a standard road shoe...but if I were running longer than 2.5 hours, I think this feature could be useful. I like the look of the shoe. I wanted the black version to hide the sweat and deal with the dirt better. Both the white upper and insides of this shoe got stained from me wearing black socks. Additionally, if they remove one or two branding elements (typeface, little logos, etc) it'd be even better. — Buy it at full price for $180? Yes. For $180, this is a better shoe than the Neo Vista 2 (it has more pace versatility) and depending on outsole durability, this might be a better value than the Megablast or Superblast 3. I haven't tested those shoes, so I can't speak to the performance or longevity of FF Leap...but this shoe is really good. Overall Grade: A- Changes: Give us a better rubberized EVA compound or some actual outsole rubber. I'd even be fine with a little more weight in exchange for more durability. Can't argue with a shoe that fits true to size, no hot spots on the upper, can run fast and slow, and can do a 150 minute long run. Big picture brand discussion: What I initially liked about M2C was their marketing around durability. There's an obvious planned obsolescence around running footwear that keeps us coming back for more. I hope that M2C fulfills their promise of making products for athletes who transcend distance, not just for ultra-marathoners, but for high-mileage grinders. M2C makes a product that feels differentiated right now on the material side of things, but there seems to be a compromise around durability here. While they're currently charging less than standard market rate for a shoe like the C1 (maybe $20-40 less than their competition), they will eventually adjust prices once they're no longer a "challenger" brand. If this shoe was $200 or $220, I wouldn't be recommending it so highly. If I have to retire this shoe at 360 miles, then the grade comes down to a B. Other shoes I've liked: Mizuno Neo Vista 2, Topo Specter 2, Mount to Coast H1, Topo Atmos 1, Adizero SL 2 Other shoes I didn't like: Brooks Adrenaline 25, New Balance SC Elite V4, Craft Endurance 2

I think you're guaranteed 4-500miles at least out of each shoe. You nailed the use cases. The C1 is a great daily trainer to threshold pace shoe. The H1 is a great travel shoe. I had it in my head that I'd get each shoe closer to 700-800miles based on marketing. I think you're guaranteed 500miles out of each. Both are good shoes. Compared to other brands, they're just fine in terms of durability. I'm not sure they're quite living up to the marketing. The claims they make around circle cell are like...same energy return as PEBA but 50% more durable or something like that? An of course peba is a vague label as there's tons of different kinds.

Particularly in the forefoot, I don't fee like I have a ton of protection on my H1s after 400km. I also did a couple hard sessions on road and a hard treadmill workout in them (25km) which could be contributing. I still run them on gravel and trail and they feel good. It just doesn't feel like they remain at this level until 600km, but who knows

based on my miles, I would not describe the foam as dead. I ran about 160miles in my pair (given to me in February because I met someone from M2C at TRE) and could threshold pace in them no problem. I could run marathon pace in them no problem and ran multiple marathon sessions in them, including a 22mile long run at 5:53per mile pace. I understand why reviewers are using the word "dead" but when I pick the pace, the shoe responds really well. It's far better than the Neo Vista 2 at these speeds. I can't speak to the Superblast or Megablast. I also don't find the fit/shape of the shoe to be a limiting factor for speed. Considering this shoe only for recovery miles or zone 2 running is doing it a disservice.

Hi everyone. I will be running my first marathon this December. I am 185 lbs right now and also recall a chiropractor say that my right leg appears to be shorter. Is there a fix? I am choosing between the Cloudboom Max and the Neo Vista 2. Hoping for sub-5 marathon. Tia!

getting some right ankle pain with the prime x3. sb2 is clunky at slower runs. mizuno feels the best for long runs. just got the cb max which is the heaviest but will need to try them in longer runs and see if it is good enough for a sub5 marathon. ap4 and zoomfly 6 are just too much for my ankle even at faster paces which are not shown in this video. and as you can see the cloudboom strike seems like the most stable for me but i probably need to replace the laces and improve the lockdown.

Hi. I mentioned the discrepancy because maybe it has something to do with the right foot rolling more than the left. Which supershoe im going with is not really the point of my post. i just wanted to illustrate from different shoes (that aren’t all mine btw) how they roll and why i was leaning towards the 2 shoes that i mentioned. I dont think those two are even that super. So i asked for advice aka fix, but not a specific shoe. From this thread i gather chance at orthotics and definitely strengthening exercises. Plus more mileage of course. Thanks! Video was fun.

neo vista is comfortable. i just feel a hint of pain in my ankles during my long run. i hope my ankles get stronger during training. i really am considering them. thanks for the recommendations!

first marathon and i do have a lot of questions. beginner, weak, slow, call it whatever. but you have no clue how commited i am to my training right now. i think its fine asking around for advice. just like you asking ideas for "shoes for active work which are not necessarily running shoes". i dont see anything wrong with that.

on and off for almost 2 decades. yes a beginner in the marathon. thank you for this. i appreciate your advice and will keep them in mind. i do have stable daily trainers for easy and long runs. i think my intention really is to find a super trainer that could be a potential race day shoe that i can use during training. that why i did mention i was leaning towards the CB Max and the Vistas which are not really super super shoes. i was also asking for any fix, and i did get some good advice from this thread. thanks a lot.

i've been wanting to run a marathon since i was 25. i am 43 now. this is the first time i am able to fully commit to training and i am just being conservative. i hope my training does improve my form and fitness. i have 4 kids and a super demanding job. the only marathoner i know is my younger brother (hence the abundance of training/super shoes) who can probably do it without training, anytime. i just wanted to ask and hope for recommendations or advice. so far i got orthotics, lifting for strength, a few observations and recommendations, some ridicule, and your response which is the best by far.

thank you for this. i do have more stable daily trainers which are not in the video, puma foreverrun 2, structure, and an old kayano. its the weight and i just get so much fatigue even after easy runs. i acknowledge im still early in training and need to build strength. plus the excessive weight. really need to check other brands as you can see these are the more accesible brands from a nearby mall. im searching for a proper expert in inserts hope it works out well.

thanks for looking into it. the neo vista 2 also feels good just a bit too cushioned. i acknowledge im still early in my training. maybe i was also hoping to find a good recommendation from someone in a similar situation. i will keep that in mind i hope my training will improve my form and endurance. thanks again.

Yeah i agree. Need more training for sure. I think its normal to be impatient sometimes. Not really looking for a shortcut, there’s no way around miles set in a program. i think i want to make sure i get thru this training with less fatigue from the experience i have with my current daily trainers. I get carried away by the hype in all these new shoes while ignoring the fact that i dont have enough mileage and fitness yet. And yet, who wouldn’t want to make training easier right?

Oh it did seem like i own them all. But no. Me and my brother share the same size in everything. He knows almost every shoe and new tech in running. he is the runner, younger and fit. I only own 3 of those. Evo sl, vista, and cb max. Just like everyone here i agree i need to train and develop leg strength. I think its a combination of being anxious and ignorant that’s why im asking about this. But i am now doing runner specific exercises as a major part of my program. I am so glad to hear all these inputs.

yes i do have some right ankle pain in neutral shoes. but the fatigue in both legs i get out of stability shoes is worse although i ignore it and power thru in easy runs. i am considering more stable (neutral wide platform) max cushions from your nb and hoka recommendations. you give me hope. thanks.

nice suggestion. i did hear about that exact shoe. also, that is the point of mentioning the chiropractor's observation here because i did not know if it could be the cause. thank you for sharing your experience. i just need to find an expert in orthotics.

thanks! i know, i understand. been reading a lot of contradicting opinions and i know it is personal. exactly why I shared the video—to hear different angles. i admit i am overwhelmed by all the different tech in shoes nowadays, i dont think its a crime to be hoping for anything that could improve my running. but comments like yours are the most helpful.