Neo Vista 2

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Consider mizuno neo Vista 2, you'll love them especially for long runs and stability

Hi everyone. I will be running my first marathon this December. I am 185 lbs right now and also recall a chiropractor say that my right leg appears to be shorter. Is there a fix? I am choosing between the Cloudboom Max and the Neo Vista 2. Hoping for sub-5 marathon. Tia!

getting some right ankle pain with the prime x3. sb2 is clunky at slower runs. mizuno feels the best for long runs. just got the cb max which is the heaviest but will need to try them in longer runs and see if it is good enough for a sub5 marathon. ap4 and zoomfly 6 are just too much for my ankle even at faster paces which are not shown in this video. and as you can see the cloudboom strike seems like the most stable for me but i probably need to replace the laces and improve the lockdown.

Hi. I mentioned the discrepancy because maybe it has something to do with the right foot rolling more than the left. Which supershoe im going with is not really the point of my post. i just wanted to illustrate from different shoes (that aren’t all mine btw) how they roll and why i was leaning towards the 2 shoes that i mentioned. I dont think those two are even that super. So i asked for advice aka fix, but not a specific shoe. From this thread i gather chance at orthotics and definitely strengthening exercises. Plus more mileage of course. Thanks! Video was fun.

neo vista is comfortable. i just feel a hint of pain in my ankles during my long run. i hope my ankles get stronger during training. i really am considering them. thanks for the recommendations!

first marathon and i do have a lot of questions. beginner, weak, slow, call it whatever. but you have no clue how commited i am to my training right now. i think its fine asking around for advice. just like you asking ideas for "shoes for active work which are not necessarily running shoes". i dont see anything wrong with that.

on and off for almost 2 decades. yes a beginner in the marathon. thank you for this. i appreciate your advice and will keep them in mind. i do have stable daily trainers for easy and long runs. i think my intention really is to find a super trainer that could be a potential race day shoe that i can use during training. that why i did mention i was leaning towards the CB Max and the Vistas which are not really super super shoes. i was also asking for any fix, and i did get some good advice from this thread. thanks a lot.

i've been wanting to run a marathon since i was 25. i am 43 now. this is the first time i am able to fully commit to training and i am just being conservative. i hope my training does improve my form and fitness. i have 4 kids and a super demanding job. the only marathoner i know is my younger brother (hence the abundance of training/super shoes) who can probably do it without training, anytime. i just wanted to ask and hope for recommendations or advice. so far i got orthotics, lifting for strength, a few observations and recommendations, some ridicule, and your response which is the best by far.

thank you for this. i do have more stable daily trainers which are not in the video, puma foreverrun 2, structure, and an old kayano. its the weight and i just get so much fatigue even after easy runs. i acknowledge im still early in training and need to build strength. plus the excessive weight. really need to check other brands as you can see these are the more accesible brands from a nearby mall. im searching for a proper expert in inserts hope it works out well.

thanks for looking into it. the neo vista 2 also feels good just a bit too cushioned. i acknowledge im still early in my training. maybe i was also hoping to find a good recommendation from someone in a similar situation. i will keep that in mind i hope my training will improve my form and endurance. thanks again.

Yeah i agree. Need more training for sure. I think its normal to be impatient sometimes. Not really looking for a shortcut, there’s no way around miles set in a program. i think i want to make sure i get thru this training with less fatigue from the experience i have with my current daily trainers. I get carried away by the hype in all these new shoes while ignoring the fact that i dont have enough mileage and fitness yet. And yet, who wouldn’t want to make training easier right?

Oh it did seem like i own them all. But no. Me and my brother share the same size in everything. He knows almost every shoe and new tech in running. he is the runner, younger and fit. I only own 3 of those. Evo sl, vista, and cb max. Just like everyone here i agree i need to train and develop leg strength. I think its a combination of being anxious and ignorant that’s why im asking about this. But i am now doing runner specific exercises as a major part of my program. I am so glad to hear all these inputs.

yes i do have some right ankle pain in neutral shoes. but the fatigue in both legs i get out of stability shoes is worse although i ignore it and power thru in easy runs. i am considering more stable (neutral wide platform) max cushions from your nb and hoka recommendations. you give me hope. thanks.

nice suggestion. i did hear about that exact shoe. also, that is the point of mentioning the chiropractor's observation here because i did not know if it could be the cause. thank you for sharing your experience. i just need to find an expert in orthotics.

thanks! i know, i understand. been reading a lot of contradicting opinions and i know it is personal. exactly why I shared the video—to hear different angles. i admit i am overwhelmed by all the different tech in shoes nowadays, i dont think its a crime to be hoping for anything that could improve my running. but comments like yours are the most helpful.

Honestly, for a 3h half, I'd use the Superblast you got. They are exceptional shoes for heavier runners. Especially when you tire out, you'll appreciate the stability and protective cushioning. In contrast, a softer shoe typically demand more from your stabilising muscles. On tired legs, with your form going out the window, that's not a winning combination. As a heavier runner, you also risk a shoe bottoming out after some time, if the cushioning isn't enduring enough. Imho, softer cushioning is very tempting, but can be deceiving. E.g.: * My Neo Vista 2 feels like a leather couch, but it demands focus to not roll an ankle in a tight turn. The shock absorption is fantastic, but it's a better shoe for easy days than for the tired end of a race, pushing. * One of my other long run shoes is the Asics GlideRide Max 2. It's a pretty firm ride, very similar to the Superblast. After a few runs on softer shoes, it feels initially harsher to run in, but as I settle into a pace, that goes away. I need to work a lot less to keep my form clean and my stabilising muscles remain reasonably fresh. Recently did a 30km long run for marathon prep and my legs felt as fresh as they could be after a long steady effort.

I have the same issue you do; from my experience, the Magmax always manages to keep me slow. It gets in the way of anything that requires speed. You could have a different experience, but out of the list you have provided, and I've tried them all aside from the Vomero Plus, the Magmax feels pleasant but cumbersome, so I keep it slow with them. Other shoes that play that role well are the Hurricane 24 or 25 and the Neo Vista 2. They have the same vibe as the Magamax; those are the models I reach for when I don't have the discipline to stay slow, so I require a shoe to do it for me.

At the release of the Megablast and having run only 22km in them so far, I'd like to know if anyone has any opinion on the matter. I want to mention my notable contenders for the best versatile or protective long-run shoes in the market. Not placed in any particular order: 1. Asics Superblast 2 2. Mizuno Neo Vista 2 3. Puma Magmax 4. Saucony Hurricane 25 5. Asics Megablast Feel free to add any other mentions. The strengths of each model, from my experience (your experience may differ) 1. Asics Superblast 2, always left my legs relatively fresh after longer runs of 25km plus during any marathon block I've done in the recent past. It holds up well at some of my runs at both half-marathon & marathon pace efforts, I don't require it to go any faster, as there are models that I use in my rotation that are better suited for anything faster. Despite it not having a supershoe or propulsive shoe feel, there is something about that geometry that allows running to be so fluid, at least for me. The weight distribution is also a plus for me. Yes, it measures at an impressive weight, but it feels even lighter on foot. 2.Mizuno Neo Vista 2: The most protective shoe in my list, it's excellent for long zone 2 efforts and recovery days. Overall, a surprise for me, and I was not eager about the first iteration. This shoe is a must for my rotation, but it's not as versatile as something like the Megablast and Superblast. 3.Puma Magmax: I tried and tried to get along with this shoe and yes it does the job as a long run shoe, its stable and the higher stack height is pleasant, it does an excellent job for me to keep me at zone 2, because frankly I cant pick up the pace in it, it just gets in the way for me (cumbersome). The outsole rubber, narrow fit, and firmer forefoot make it a challenging ride for me to get along. Am I simply pampered by softer shoes? Or maybe, I'm not applying enough force to get the most out of it? Yet, I know people here recommend it, so could someone enlighten me on what I am missing? 4. Saucony Hurricane 25: Boy, did this one come out of left field. I enjoyed the 24 to an extent, but the 25s with a cutout on the lateral side make the shoe more tailored to my gait and more flexible. The firmer foam and large block feeling midsole of the 24 is not present in the 25s. The midsole of the 25s is lively, protective, and just overall pleasant. This shoe is what I hoped the Triumph would be; I'd consider it for a daily trainer and a long run shoe. The stability features, at least for me, have not been intrusive, and the shoe on its own is a treat. I did not see this coming, has anyone else tried this guy out? 5. Asics Megablast: This is where it gets interesting, right off the bat, the midsole, from my limited experience, and maybe others can share their experience, feels like a Nimbus on performance enhancements with a much improved, significantly lighter midsole. I don't know where that comparison came from, but it just crossed my mind as I ran with it, perhaps the geometry? I can't put my finger on it so far. It's able to pick up the pace. I took it down to 3:00/km flat; that's when it felt a bit sloppy, but at half-marathon and marathon pace, it held up much better than I thought. Despite its larger bulbus midsole (my subjective opinion), compared to the Superblast 2's streamlined midsole, it still wanted to pick up the pace. The ride was protective, and the shoe was impressively light on foot. My only gripe, and maybe it'll grow on me, was the upper. Yes, it does what is required for it, but it feels a bit loose inside. It doesn't feel like I get a good lockdown. I don't have a narrow foot by any means. The fit did not hinder my run or the performance of the shoe, and it may take some time to get used to the shoe. Has anyone had any experience with this shoe? What was your experience with it so far? Will it knock the Superblast from people's #1 list? I'm still coming to my own conclusions and would like the opinions of others. Thanks

Love my Neo Vista 2 for this purpose

Sb2 is the way, later you can add the evo sl (this is unstable and feel like 2 round chunks of foam instead of one long foam like sb2 but can do well under pace5). Sb2 is not good in the first 50km for me (prolly shorter for you because im 85kg) but then it sings, you need to change the insole though, for it to shine. Neo is very unstable and somewhat not the best you can opt for, megablast is full on race the upper is bad for daily, and you should ignore the carbonplater. Another awesome path for you is choosing the topo / altra for stronger feet, cheers!