Nike - Alphafly 4 (Nike-Dev 16141)

Love the vapor fly it’s my favorite 5k 10k shoe. But man did the alpha fly give me pain , foot pain hip pain. Tried the adios pro 4 and it’s been amazing . That high arch structure of the alpha fly 4 kills me

Love quantifiable info! Thank you. Was going to say a lot of super shoes do well at both while having phenomenal foam for comfort and the light upper for weight. I will say VF4 are almost too light and not cushioned enough for 26.2 IMO of course. I like the AP4 or metaspeeds that seem to excel at both. Though no super shoe will be as stable as a more daily.

I rotate between 6-8 pairs, so I suggest getting at least two pairs. As far as what to suggest; running shoes are extremely personal. Everyone is different. I’ve been loving Adidas Adizero EVO SLs, ASICs Superblast 2s, Hoka Skyward X for those middle distance easy runs, Adidas Boston 13s for threshold work, Saucony Endorphin Speeds for threshold, and I also have a stable of race shoes (Nike Vaporflys, Alphaflys) for intervals and racing.

My exact thoughts as well. Train in Pegasus, race in Alphaflys.

Alphaflys for race day Zoomfly6 for long runs (trainning)

Running Shoes... I'm actually wearing my Pegasus Plus right now. It's great for walking around all day. I keep my Alphafly, VaporFly, Streakfly and Zoomfly for training and racing.

I’ve found a few shoes like that. A friend gave me a pair of Alphaflys that didn’t quite work for them and I have worn them a couple times. I need to figure out the lacing because that high jutting arch isn’t comfortable unless I get the shoe adjusted just right.

I apologize for my ignorance but when folks talk about stability, what do they mean? A friend gave me a pair of super shoes that didn’t work for them and when I walk in them I feel kind of wobbly, but once I start to run I feel set. In the back of my mind I don’t feel quite as planted as the Free, but I’m also not 0.5” from the ground. I don’t know if that means I am finding them unstable, stable, or in between. 

I have tried them all. Metaspeeds, Alphaflys, Valorflys, Adios Pro. They all end up destroying my feet or Achilles. Zoom Fly 6 is the most perfect one for me. My feet don’t feel so much pain with them.

I would echo some of the suggestions here. I imagine based on your height and mass you have quite big feet. As a fellow larger human (187cm, 95kg) I use the Deviate Nitro Elites, alphaflys in larger sizes, i am a UK 12 are just absolute units.

Nike. Because I'd wanna race in the AlphaFlys and VaporFlys, and for training, the Vomero Premium is the most incredible shoe I've ever tried. For trail I'd gamble on the ACG Ultrafly being more than decent.

Anyone generalizing about all super shoes and paces required doesn’t know what they are talking about. There is such a huge, huge range now of plated shoes with different foams, different rides, different… everything. There are options where the plate’s main purpose is to stabilize landing on very soft midsole, others with extremely aggressive plate and foam/midsole combos. Huge rockers, small rockers, etc etc. If you are into it and want to spend some money there are absolutely a pair of plated shoes out there that would benefit you, even if that benefit was mostly due to low weight and energy return. *Some* more aggressive super shoes like the puma fast r 3 really do benefit from and almost require a certain amount of force to get the benefit, and the alphafly is a terrible choice if your going to sit back in your stride and/or heel strike. Depending on your foot width and landing pattern and preference there are a lot of options though. I would try some on, ideally in a running store with an in store treadmill, and see how you feel. Wear them with pride whatever you get and enjoy them :)