Nike - Zoom Vaporfly 4%

Shoe tech peaked at Vaporfly 1 & 2 and Speed 1 & 2. Everything since then has been minor progress at major prices.

Yep - VF4 is basically just a lighter, faster, more aggressive ZF6.

I've done half a dozen marathons or so, all above 190lbs. The fastest was wearing Nike 4% (is that the name? Precursor to the Alphafly). The shoes were terribly unstable (I overpronate), but speedy. My second fastest marathon was in Saucony Endorphin Speed (1s). They didn't feel as fast as the Nikes, but much more stable.

Nope. I'm a relatively experienced runner, and just yesterday in my HM my VF4 destroyed my calves. And I've raced in them before. If you are not used to carbon plated shoes, you are just going to hurt yourself.

You run exactly the same as me. Got suckered into buying some stability shoes. Threw them out. Now riding novablasts and vaporfly on race day. Do some stability weight exercises and buy the shoes that feel comfortable.

Pick up a discounted Vaporfly 4 for tempo/CV type work. I have seen them for like 150 bucks these days and my experience is they last a decent chunk of miles. Heck pick up 2 and have 1 fresh for races. I am sure most brands also have a racer (might be last years model) that is the same boat.

Even better though is to run in a super trainer which has the same cushioning as the plated shoe but doesn't let you run quite as fast (i.e. less load). When the super foams first came out they were a revelation and really helped save the legs. But these days there are so many more options.. Personally I use them all. Things like Vaporfly are pretty cheap (they were like 160 on blackfriday) so using them for intervals isn't some crazy thing. That isn't that much more than a standard trainer. If you are using 300 racers I might understand the arguement for keeping the miles off a bit more but in the end I always sort of feel like in 12 months I am going to want the latest and greatest for a race I have trained 6 months for:)

I didn't plan on a race shoe, but scored some Vaporfly 4's for cheap. I would 100% wear them over my EVO SL's for a race. But I also wouldn't pay $250+ for another shoe over them. There are deals to be had if you are patient and are ready to act when one comes up and aren't 100% set on a specific color and may be flexible on different shoes.

I’m about 18:00 level and I’d have trouble picking between my sky Paris and vaporfly 4s if I had a race now. I’m also a midfoot striker but tend to be low cadence long strides type. If I owned a puma fast-r that would probably be my pick. (I’ll reserve my adios pro 4 and alpha flys for the longer races)

Yep - I got my size 13s at a massive discount and after having been a little disappointed in the AF3 for my marathon - I’m loving the VF4! Very fast. And so light

Definitely a hard one to get and also a gamble on will it work. Besides all of the not so great reviews I see in the VF4 I also find that one to be a great shoe for the 5/10k distance as well. Lower stack and still propulsive feeling. I’ve raced both in both distances and both were a good choice so it’s hard for me to say which is better.

Lots of opinions here. I say get what you like, but if you want to go vapor, you might enjoy the feel of the VF3 (and have more color options at that price or better) than the VF4 (which to me is definitely more of an aggressive feel). I'm sure others will disagree, but I think between the outsole and generally more comfortable fit and stability of the 3 over the 4 (which is much closer to the VF2 for me), you'll get more value and enjoyment out of them. But yeah, like others have said, the vomero plus is going to give you a lot of zoomX fun, way more comfort and way more versatility for all your day to day runs. I just took them out on the trail for an 8ish minute pace tempo and they did fine. Did not feel held back at all at that pace.

Lots of opinions here. I say get what you like, but if you want to go vapor, you might enjoy the feel of the VF3 (and have more color options at that price or better) than the VF4 (which to me is definitely more of an aggressive feel). I'm sure others will disagree, but I think between the outsole and generally more comfortable fit and stability of the 3 over the 4 (which is much closer to the VF2 for me), you'll get more value and enjoyment out of them. But yeah, like others have said, the vomero plus is going to give you a lot of zoomX fun, way more comfort and way more versatility for all your day to day runs. I just took them out on the trail for an 8ish minute pace tempo and they did fine. Did not feel held back at all at that pace.

I got a pair of Nike VP 4 for $100 on sale. My daughters tell me they're "ugly" but I don't care. I only use them for track-type workouts because they aren't comfortable for anything more, but awesome for that purpose.