Puma - Deviate NITRO Elite 4

I have the AP4 and did my first session in the Puma Deviate Nitro Elite 4 just now. Like em both a lot, AP4 is suuuper soft, Puma also soft but way more stable. They both feel quick, but the Puma felt more stable for a Marathon. The AP4 on tired legs is a killer, the Puma is considered one of the quickest shoes at the moment while still being stable. Also the fit feels better, the AP4 feels like a nailcatcher while on my run today the puma felt like a sock, maybe a lil loose. The Puma is brand new but still "only 250" compared to the metaspeed. Tried the metaspeed and would never use it for marathon, because you gotta have perfect form all the way, maybe because my feet felt "wide" in them eventho they arent really. Thats just my experience so far, in the end i think realisticly i would always go for comfort over "pace" because they are all quick, in the end you rather have less pain for the same time and a shorter recovery. Ran my first HM in evo sl's and did a 1.32, also worked without carbon.

I agree and add the Puma Deviate Nitro Elite 4 to the suggestions. I have the Deviate Elite 3 and for me it's faster than the Takumi Sen 11.

If you have narrow feet, Puma. Deviate Nitro 4, Velocity 4, Deviate Nitro Elite 4 for races.

If you have narrow feet, Puma. Deviate Nitro 4, Velocity 4, Deviate Nitro Elite 4 for races.

I absolutely adore this shoe. I’m going to use it for LAM this weekend. Through Taobao, the price is absurdly competitive (like 120-130$). Even at ‘full’ retail it’s still terrific stacked up against other shoes. I really wanna try the Ultra but it’s insane expensive 😂 At least for me, I found the DNE4 to feel flat and bland. I got almost zero propulsion out of it (though it does ‘disappear’ on foot due to light weight). It’s the polar opposite of this shoe. The only way I got mild propulsion was feeling like I was stomping the ground hard (and I’m 5’11 180lb).

Puma deviate elite 4 or maybe the ASICS Magic Speed 5. I’ve only seen one review on the Magic Speed and it wasn’t particularly favorable, but I’ve enjoyed it much more than the 4.

I get along with it fine and I’m not an elite runner in any means. It was my first introduction to carbon plated shoes and I found it accommodating for all heel strikes, not overly high stacked or weird geometry. It’s not a recovery day, slow paces shoe, but speed work it can definitely do

The Puma Deviate Elite 4 might be an option to look into. It’s a very approachable carbon plated shoe it has some comfort, it is light and Puma’s nitro atpu foam is next level

Recovery/Easy/Long: Lining Red Hare 9 Ultra Speed Training/Race: Puma DNE4 Trail: Adidas ASU 2

Puma DNE3 or 4. Similar ATPU with quick rebound feel. Not too squishy. They have a 30 day trial return policy too.

Endorphin pro 4 are the most stable carbon plated shoes for race day. For training one could also look at endorphin speed 5 which personally I have used for race day as well. I have flat feet so I look for wide options and even though pro 4 do not come in wide I put my insole in them and it works great. They are a bit firm but you might like them. Outside of Saucony I feel puma comes close with its deviate nitro 4 elite and non elite trainer. I like Puma for its grip if that matters for you. Personally I feel the grip helps me propel / pulls me forward but I could be hallucinating as there is no proof of that 😜 I have tried a few ASICS shoes as well and while they make great bouncy shoes the high stack personally is not my first choice. I prefer lower stack as well.

Just tried the deviate 4 and loved them. A few ideas 1. Lighter weight without having to upgrade to the elite version as they don’t come in wide (220gms?) 2. Higher stack, 38/30 is a bit low maybe 40/32 would be bit better but without sacrificing the stability and the level of firmness and increasing the weight 3. Don’t sacrifice on the volume of the pumagrip so that they last much longer and finally 4. Price is a bit high, hopefully it can be brought down by a bit maybe around $150. I think I am asking a lot when I re-read it but if that is possible it would be great.

Wow completely agree with your description of the ride. First use today on a 12km tempo run today (4min/km) and don’t really know what to think. The shoe gives very little assistance ( especially vs DN3) so was a harder workout than i anticipated and I wasn’t thinking “wow this shoe is amazing” I just wasn’t thinking about it at all. Doing a 20km long run at the weekend half @race pace interested to see how these will go. I’m a bit stumped on my opinion either it’s great or I could have saved my money for something more defined. Pretty much sits in the middle of the DN3 and VN4. Actually I feel VN4 can do pace easier than this but VN4 gets tricky for long runs cos of its narrow base I find.

* **Shoe Model & Size:** Puma Deviate 4 size 10 * **Fit/Comfort Notes:** True to size, snug midfoot, normal toebox * **Use Case:** Uptempo/regular running * **Distance Ran:** 139 miles * **Reason For Buying:** Provided by Puma * **Personal Observations:** see below * **Comparisons:** reminds me of some of the original hybrid/lightweight trainers (Saucony Speed 2/3) **Background:** Been running since 2006, 2:19 marathoner (2023). Very fortunate to have a lot of shoe reps in our area so I'm able to try a lot of shoes throughout the year. I'm fairly trainer agnostic and don't tend to lean on one brand in particular. Below are some of the shoes that saw rotation, also added shoes I tried/demo'd in Parenthesis ( ): On: Cloud Monster 1, Cloud Monster Hyper 1, Cloud Surfer 2 Puma: Magmax (Velocity 3) Asics: SonicBlast, Glideride (Megablast) Nike: Vomero+, Vomero (Vomero Premium) Hoka: Skyflow (Mach X3) New Balance: Rebel V5, 1080v14, 880v15 My favorite trainers this past year have been the Vomero+, Skyflow, Cloud Monster/Monster Hyper. Those have been the ones I've pulled from more often. Favorite trainer ever was the Saucony Speed 2. My personal preference for daily trainers has been shoes that land in two very different classes. A normal boring trainer and a trainer with a little bit of pop in the forefoot that responds well with my stride pattern. I don't particularly like to do workouts in trainers/haven't found one that I enjoy to use for workouts. Workouts/Performance I packed the deviate as my only trainer for this past Christmas break in California. Wore them for all of my miles for about 2 weeks, easy runs, workouts, long runs. I've been building back into mileage and recovering from a glute issue so a lot of this stuff has been half marathon pace work mostly. Southern California experienced a lot of rain while I was there so I was able to really see how they reacted in slick conditions Longest run: 14 miles. 1hr\~47min on packed dirt/concrete Workouts: 12/25: 10/1 min on @ 5:05-15/1 min jog 12/31: 6x 3 min on @ 5:05-10/2 min jog 1/7: 9x 1 min on @ 5:05-10/1 min float, 8x 30 seconds on @ 4:50-5:00/30 second jog Overall thoughts: The key phrase I keep thinking when I look at my experience with this shoe is multitool. It functions as two very different shoes depending on use. At easy/recovery run pace it reminds me a little bit of the ride I felt with the first version of the Rincon (not derogatory, I really enjoyed that shoe for the first 100 miles). It doesn't have a pronounced rocker like the Speed 2 did so it kind of feels boring. For me, that's kind of what I'm looking for. It just feels like a running shoe rather than some feeling like moonboots. My calves and achilles appreciate that. The shoe fits true to size and there's a couple things I appreciate about the upper. The padded tongue is comfortable and I don't feel like anything digs into my ankles (though I've never really had issues with that with Puma). The midfoot feels snug and locked down while the forefoot provides enough room for my toes to spread out a bit. The upper is breathable and didn't feel like I was weighed down when I had rain pouring on me for an hour+. The outsole is great on wet concrete and I didn't feel like I was losing grip when it rained hard. At uptempo is when this really shines. Where a lot of newer super trainers tend to feel like I'm fighting the foam a bit at more aggressive paces, this feels pretty comfortable. My stride feels fairly in control at a variety of uptempo paces and the open midfoot doesn't have me worrying about rolling an ankle on my bad foot. I don't feel weighed down with this shoe and it's responsive without it feeling like it's going to chew me out if I'm a little achy. It performs as well as the velocity 3 and better than the mach x 3 but with an upper that feels more roomy. It maneuvers turns pretty nicely too, I was more confident taking turns with this shoe because it felt like I wasn't too high off the ground. Despite it not having a very pronounced rocker, it responds well to my preference of landing more on my forefoot/midfoot. Overall this feels like a call back to the hybrid/first versions of the supertrainers/lightweight trainers. I try to look at shoes as though I was purchasing and adding them to my rotations. Looking at what else is on the market and seeing where it competes. My opinion here is that there's not really a 1-1 comparison with something else currently on the market. It moves a bit like the saucony speed 3 in terms of it being an option for easy miles but it performs better under uptempo than that shoe did. I haven't tried the evosl so can't really compare that. It's not the most exciting shoe at easy run paces but it's a pretty nice tool for when you want to run uptempo without reaching for a pair of racers/want to be nicer to your body lol. Now that I have almost 150 miles in them I'm probably going to see how much I can use them for threshold/shorter half marathon pace work or moderate long runs. I want to try to ween myself out of immediately grabbing a racing shoe for workouts but haven't had the shoe that I felt confident enough to do it with. I love my Cloud Monster Hyper (On pair 3 already) but that shoe always feels just a little too elevated for me to try and run fast in. Overall I'm pretty happy with this shoe and will reach for it more often than not.

I may be in the minority here but I've been looking for a somewhat boring trainer that feels like a running shoe. This hits that and can perform. Also nicer on my muscles and tendons than stuff with a lot of superfoam.