Puma - ForeverRUN NITRO™

I have a cheap pair of Scott trail shoes I use for muddy runs which have nice lugs perfect for a muddy field. They're not cushioned, but the grass and mud provides the cushioning. And Parkrun is only 5k so you don't really need all the foam. For rainy/puddly runs I have a water resistant version of my favourite shoe, the Puma run forever nitro, designed for over pronators. The Puma grip is legendary and will cope with slick, icy/frosty pavements well.

I overpronate and I've been using the deviate 3 too. It feels quite stable and is so much fun. My regular shoe is also Puma: the run forever which is a stability shoe with a bit of pep. I have the first version which you can pick up for about £60 and many people say the originally is lighter and better than the version 2.

Wow. Thats a relic and a half. 8-12mm is a fairly negligible difference. 12 to 6 is much more noticeable and Fresh foam from 15 years ago was a virtual brick compared to most foams on the market now. So the softer foam, the lower drop and really, shoes have a whole new engineering with rockers and things. I don’t think you need to stay with a 12mm drop. But maybe cutting it in half in one go, while changing to modern foam and shoe geometry may have been a little more than you were ready for after 15 years of 1225. The 1225 was the stability version of the 1080 (I think). The current stability version of the 1080 is the Vongo. So you may want to give that a shot. I think they are on version 6? Maybe 7? Unless it’s been discontinued. If that is too soft, you may want to try the 860. That’s also a stability option, but has less cushion. Heading outside of New Balance, ASICS Kayano and GT2000 are their tried and true stability options (GT 2000 will be more firm, Kayano more plush). Saucony has the Hurricane, Guide and the Tempus. The Guide is the regular stability daily trainer. The Hurricane is a higher cushion stability shoe with some super foam. The Tempus is a stability shoe with only super foam. It’s really a nice shoe. I’m not positive on the drop, but Adidas Supernova Solution would likely work as well. Any Brooks shoe that has “GTS” in the name is a stability shoe. If you can find a Launch GTS, that may be a very close match to the 1225 (it’s pretty firm with a high drop). The Adrenaline is their every day daily trainer stability shoe. And the Glycerin GTS is the higher cushion option. If you want something a little more fun, a little faster or more racy, the Hyperion 2 GTS could work. It’s not as firm as some, but it’s super foam (or at least some). Puma Forever Run Nitro is yet another option that could work. I’m not sure the drop again, but it’s a good shoe and a good ride (and it’s got stability). I would start with those and see what you can find and if any of those even feel agreeable to your feet (in terms of firmness, fit, etc.). You really should be able to go down to an 8-10 drop without a huge issue (again-barring all of the other enormous changes in shoes since you stockpiled your 1225’s).

Are you looking for a shoe to do just fast runs or are you looking for a shoe to do all your runs? And more importantly, did the PT give you exercises? Over pronation is often due to weak hip muscles. But depending on what else you have going on, it might not be “fixable”. Over-striding should be fixed no matter what-that’s going to give you more problems than any shoe can fix. Did the PT give you suggestions for that? The more you fix the mechanical (your gait/stride/strength), the less you need external aids to correct things. Which significantly opens up your shoe options, but more importantly makes you healthier and less likely to be injured. There are very few (zero) “fast” shoes with any kind of pronation control. The Hyperion GTS 2 was the last of its kind and Brooks discontinued it. You may find a straggling pair somewhere, but that’s the only option and I wouldn’t count on it (since the shoe is no longer in production). The Saucony Tempus is a great daily trainer option that can do faster stuff. It’s got super-foam and is very light and energetic for a stability shoe. It is very firm compared to both of the shoes you currently have, so it may not be something you want to run in every day. But it’s a great option. The Puma Forever Run is also a great option. It’s got a nice responsive foam and isn’t too heavy. And the grip is outstanding. It is not as firm as the Tempus, but not anywhere near as soft as the Glycerin or Guide. ASICS GT2000-14 is an another option. The v14 has updated foam (from prior versions) so it reportedly much more responsive than prior versions. It is on the firmer side-likely close to the Puma. Adidas Supernova Solution is yet another options. It’s got a nice smooth ride, it’s the most comfortable of the bunch, it’s got some softness but fantastic energy return. There are other stability shoes on the market: New Balance 860, Hoka Arahi/Gaviota, Topo Ultrafly, Asics Kayano, Saucony Hurricane, Nike Structure, probably some others I’m not thinking of. If you can go somewhere to try these on, you’ll get a feel for them and how they fit/feel to you and your specific gait/stride. None of these are built to be “fast” (in the sense that no daily trainer is built to be “fast” although most runners will find them plenty fast enough). But at this point, there are no shoes on the market that are fast and have correction for over pronation. So if you want a “fast” shoe, you’ll need to work on what you can so you don’t need the pronation control. You’ll probably want to do that anyway. In the interim, there are a few good options out there, but which is “best” is really going to come down to how they feel to you. So if you can get somewhere to try them, that would be best. If not, decide how you feel about firmness and go from there. There are very few bad shoes on the market right now. It’s largely a matter of what works best for your stride and what you prefer.

Oof. Brooks adrenaline is not a fun shoe. Saucony Tempus and Puma Forever Run are both good. Asics GT2000 14 has updated foam (compared to previous versions) and it’s also a considerably more responsive option. As stability shoes go, those are your best options for something responsive. There are other options that still considerably better than the adrenaline (but not as lively as the first three): Glycerin GTS 22, Saucony Guide 17 or 18, Hoka Arahi 8, Topo Aura, and Asics Kayano if you like a mountain of cushion. There are tons of shoes out there in the “stable neutral” category - which can work very well if you don’t have significant overpronation. These are shoes that are inherently stable and provide a good deal of support without explicitly providing medial/pronation control. They typically have a very wide base, heel bevels that guide the foot and a pretty stiff heel cup/collar. The Doctors of Running have a lot of info on this topic. Insoles in any old shoes you like could also work well (although if you truly need stability, I’d steer away from massively high stacked shoes with very soft foam and no stabilizing elements). But honestly-the adrenaline 24 is about the most boring shoe out there. And although Brooks replaced/updated the foam in every other model they make with the newest models, the adrenaline 25 still has the exact same foam from like 1999. Committed to boring mediocrity and riding the name reputation like the Pegasus.

Not any old Skechers. They have a very small, but very good performance line. The Aero Spark/Aero Burst are both really great daily/long shoes. So the Kayano is a very cushioned stability shoe. It’s a very well loved and very reliable shoe. It’s very comfortable. It is not responsive and not fast. The GT2000-14 was updated to use the same foam that is in the Novablast. So it’s considerably more responsive and “bouncy” than its previous versions. It’s much less shoe than the Kayano. So it’s lighter and faster, but much less “plush”. Of those, if you want something more “fun” then the GT would be a better option. If you want something more comfortable, Kayano would be the better option. Nimbus is virtually identical to the Kayano but without the stability elements. It is divinely comfortable but about as fast and responsive as a battle tank. It’s a great option if you want comfort and don’t need stability or have any desire to go fast. Superblast seems to be a bit hit or miss. It’s a nice stable-neutral shoe (it is not a stability shoe, but it is inherently quite stable). It’s incredibly lightweight for its size. It’s also on the firm side so not “plush” like the Kayano or Nimbus. If it jives with your foot strike/gait/pace, it’s a great shoe. If it doesn’t, it’s an extremely expensive shoe that isn’t better (for you) than something that costs half as much. It’s kind of impossible to tell without trying it though. I LOVED the first version and ran tons of miles in v1. I can’t stand v2. It just doesn’t jive with me. Which is fine-not every shoe is great for every runner for every run. But the SB2 is a fairly polarizing shoe (not the most polarizing, but there aren’t many who are “meh-it’s fine” it’s either a deep undying love or the shoe is terrible). If you’re able to find it at a store where you can try it and return it if it isn’t love at first run, then it’s worth a shot. It’s a good shoe if it works for you. I wouldn’t buy it if you don’t have a plan to return/unload it if it doesn’t work. I’d really look at Forever Run and Tempus. Both are very good shoes that are fast, responsive, not a million dollars and are good for a very wide range of paces and people. I’d look at those before Superblast. But if you’re locked in to Asics as your only go-to, the GT2000-14 is best if you ever want to run fast, Kayano if you want to be comfortable. Insoles in any shoe of choice will also be an option unless you’re choosing wildly unstable shoes to slap the insoles into (like Evo SL or other super high-stack, incredibly soft shoes with no stabilizing elements). So if you don’t jive with any of these, insoles into something else will always be an option.

Not any old Skechers. They have a very small, but very good performance line. The Aero Spark/Aero Burst are both really great daily/long shoes. So the Kayano is a very cushioned stability shoe. It’s a very well loved and very reliable shoe. It’s very comfortable. It is not responsive and not fast. The GT2000-14 was updated to use the same foam that is in the Novablast. So it’s considerably more responsive and “bouncy” than its previous versions. It’s much less shoe than the Kayano. So it’s lighter and faster, but much less “plush”. Of those, if you want something more “fun” then the GT would be a better option. If you want something more comfortable, Kayano would be the better option. Nimbus is virtually identical to the Kayano but without the stability elements. It is divinely comfortable but about as fast and responsive as a battle tank. It’s a great option if you want comfort and don’t need stability or have any desire to go fast. Superblast seems to be a bit hit or miss. It’s a nice stable-neutral shoe (it is not a stability shoe, but it is inherently quite stable). It’s incredibly lightweight for its size. It’s also on the firm side so not “plush” like the Kayano or Nimbus. If it jives with your foot strike/gait/pace, it’s a great shoe. If it doesn’t, it’s an extremely expensive shoe that isn’t better (for you) than something that costs half as much. It’s kind of impossible to tell without trying it though. I LOVED the first version and ran tons of miles in v1. I can’t stand v2. It just doesn’t jive with me. Which is fine-not every shoe is great for every runner for every run. But the SB2 is a fairly polarizing shoe (not the most polarizing, but there aren’t many who are “meh-it’s fine” it’s either a deep undying love or the shoe is terrible). If you’re able to find it at a store where you can try it and return it if it isn’t love at first run, then it’s worth a shot. It’s a good shoe if it works for you. I wouldn’t buy it if you don’t have a plan to return/unload it if it doesn’t work. I’d really look at Forever Run and Tempus. Both are very good shoes that are fast, responsive, not a million dollars and are good for a very wide range of paces and people. I’d look at those before Superblast. But if you’re locked in to Asics as your only go-to, the GT2000-14 is best if you ever want to run fast, Kayano if you want to be comfortable. Insoles in any shoe of choice will also be an option unless you’re choosing wildly unstable shoes to slap the insoles into (like Evo SL or other super high-stack, incredibly soft shoes with no stabilizing elements). So if you don’t jive with any of these, insoles into something else will always be an option.

How much stability are we talking? If you want a stable neutral, there are some options like Superblast, but not for everyone and not the same level of fun as a Evo SL or Megablast. I consider the Megablast a stable neutral, but it’s soft enough that it might not be stable enough for some runners who need a bit more stability. Basically, more stable than the Evo SL, but less stable than the Superblast, which is a very stable neutral shoe. Saucony and Hoka are notorious for adding stability elements to neutral shoes. Something like the Saucony Ride or Hoka Mach 6 can be a good compromise. The upcoming Saucony Azure looks extremely interesting. If you need more stability than that, I suggest looking into the Puma ForeveRun Nitro. More stability elements, but fun and non-invasive enough that attracted neutral runners as well as the stability runners. For a pure race day shoe, a very stable neutral race shoe is the Rocket X 3.

puma forever nitro is GOATed. Got mine for like $60. Have over 250 miles on em and still going strong. Would buy another pair instantly if i ever found a price close to that. I got the NB 1080v13 actually reminds me of the puma to a degree. Just more soft and not as much support. They run real similar to me tho. Maybe just a little slower

A good shoe store will give you good advice. And stability shoes are not a trap if you actually need them. For me, they made all the difference. I love the new balance vongo V6 and the Puma foreverrun nitro.

How is the 2 treating you? Did you have the old one? I was thinking of getting a new pair. I have over 670km in the [original ](https://amzn.to/3JdFxaH)and they're still going very strong! I would definitely recommend them.

I got the puma foreverrun and i can say it is good. Used it in a 21k

Puma ForeverRun, they use dual compound, softer on the inside for good cushioning and firmer on the outside for stability.

I have puma forever run for Easy AND recovery AND saucony Tempus for faster paces.. both Amazing shoes

If you're going with the popular suggestion of the Puma Nitro, I'd try some on to see if you need to size up. I bought a pair and they were only ever so slighty narrow. Sized up and they were perfect and would definitely recommend too.