Saucony - Endorphin Elite (54180M)

just adding that the Elite V4 is in fact the best long run shoe i’ve ever used. I wish i had 10 pairs. Could run in this shoe forever.

Endorphin Pro 4 is too. Both SC Elite 4 and 5 are pretty stable. 

I can only recommend what I’ve used, which include Saucony Endorphin Pro 3, Endorphin Elite v1, Adidas adios pro 3 (loved the ride but the upper cut into my heel so limited usage for me), and about to use the NB elite 5 next weekend. Of those I liked Saucony elite the most. I’m just sub-1:30 in the half.

I just ordered the Fast R 3s is the same color. Really excited to try them. My favorite race shoe was the Saucony Endorphin Elite 1. Loved how aggressive it was. Not a fan of the V2 at all, so I’ve been looking for a new race day shoe. Have you ever tried the V1? Curious to see how the Puma compares

Hey everybody. My feet are wide, especially in the forefoot, and have low arches. Besides fit, I seem to like some stability (though seem to need not quite as much as I thought I did in the past). ASICS GT2000 series in 2E width is the model I've been using the longest. There have been changes across generations, but at least through the 13th gen, it has been a reliable trainer for me. Saucony Tempus first generation in wide has been really good for me, enough to replace the GT2000s as my main trainer. It's stable enough and has a crisper, quicker feel than the GT2000-13s, which seem a bit softer in a way that absorbs some speed. BUT, the Tempus 2s lost the wide option which could well rule them out for me when I wear through the last of my first gen Tempuses. Saucony Endorphin Elite first generation was like a miracle for me. Somehow they fit despite not coming in wide, are stable enough (at least in races 5K-HM and workouts) and fast! BUT, I fear Saucony has done it to me again and ruined a good thing (for my needs). The Doctors of Running review says the Elite 2s are a real step backwards in stability. Fortunately I have stockpiled a couple pairs of the first gens so I'll probably be all right through next year. If I had to buy a current racing flat now I guess I'd look at the Endorphin Pro 4s? ASICS SuperBlast 2 has done all right as an occasional option, though I haven't gone more than \~10 miles in them and usually less. Up to that distance the standard width seems to be workable for me. The cushy yet not slow ride is enjoyable but I have a sense they're somehow a bit less stable for me than the other shoes, so that longer runs may start causing a hint of strain in Achilles or other places. TL;DR My favorite first generation Tempuses and (perhaps more crucially) Endorphin Elites may well not work for me in the second generation versions. What other great trainers or racers are out there that fit wide, flat feet and have a bit of stability? TIA.

I’m a Saucony guy too and absolutely loved the Endorphin Elite 1 and felt the transition from the Speed 4 to Elite 1 on race day was effortless. It certainly feels faster and bouncier than the Pro 4.

The supercomp elite shoes are great beginner race/speed shoes. The 5’s are out right now and on discount; I would get them instead. Most Saucony shoes have a wider forefoot/toebox, very accommodating.

I'm hoping you've tried the the 2's already? They're so different from the 1's. I found the 1's way too stiff, but the 2's are basically super marshmellowy until you are on it. Then they firm up a little. However, some people find the 2's too soft in general.

I wore a size 11 Saucony Endorphin Elite v1 for the Chicago Marathon and found the wider base more stable and supportive than other options I had.

Get stable carbon shoes Hoka Rocket X2 Endorphin Elite 1 (if you can still buy them)