Endorphin Trainer

How do you like 1080s? I've have a pair of SC Trainers I use for my longer runs. They've broken in nicely and I've never been so comfortable on a run, ever. I'm looking at the SC Elite for my race shoe.

I'm not sure what to tell you about trying them on in your area because I'm half way around the world from you but New Balance offers the vast majority of their lineup in wide and extra wide and actually fun colourways. Hoka seems to do this as well but I haven't really got on well with Hoka shoes. You might though! I've been pretty lucky fitting into standard width Saucony stuff. I grew tired waiting for the Endorphin Speed 5 to launch in a wide flavour last year so I tried on the standard width and it worked for me. Should I probably have a wide? Ehhhh, depends on how much my feet swell on the run but the upper is pretty accommodating and I never feel the pinch in them. My Endorpin Trainer though also isn't wide but that one does fit snug but lacing techniqes to prevent mid-foot snugness really help that shoe be comfortable. I've also tried on the Endorphin Elite 2 and Endorphin Pro 4 and they both fit me amazing despite being 'standard width'. So Saucony might be worth looking into for you? Can't hurt anyway. I've not had much success getting wide stuff with Asics as all the top shelf stuff doesn't come in wide but I've done a few Asics demo nights and while both the Megablast and Superblast v2 don't come in wide they're pretty snug on my 2e foot and not something I would want to drop full pop on because of that. And that's really a shame because I like both of them quite a lot. I do have the Novablast 5 in wide though and that one just feels incredibly wide. Like maybe wider than your standard 2e and the upper is kind of.... Baggy? Either way, it does fit kind of sloppy but I bought that shoe without being able to try on the wide. I regret it and should have sent it back. Recently did an Altra demo night and tried on both the Experience Flow v3 and Experience Wild v3. Those fit me pretty incredibly well and from talking with the rep, while they don't explicitly offer wide shoes their toeboxes are generally ample. So that might be worth a shot for you too. Anyway, [check out this page from Asics](https://www.asics.com/nz/en-nz/mk/choosing-the-right-running-shoe/lacing) on shoe lacing. Their tips for wide feet lacing really helped me. Like for example with my Endorphin Trainer that is quite tight, I do their wide foot lacing technique with heel lockdown to make it work for me. Is it ideal? No, but it does work and make a shoe I couldn't return actually useful and surprisingly comfortable. I guess what I'm getting at here is New Balance seems to offer the most wide options for 2e/4e guys, standard width Saucony stuff seems to fit *me* okay for the most part but I'd try it on first and Altra is a contender for my next pair of shoes based on a demo. Plus there's ways to lace that might make a standard width shoe a bit more comfortable if that is your only option. Lastly, just go try on some shoes. It can be a pretty fun experience if you find the right shop where the people helping you are genuinely into it.

I tried them on and got spooked because they are way soft and I am more of a midfoot striker naturally but heel strike when I get real tired. I just didn't think it was going to work out. That said, I love the Incredirun in my Endorphin Trainer. It's a fabulous foam but I just didn't jive with the Elite 2.

I am a big fella myself 270 6'5" and new to the difference shoes can make. I bought brooks hyperion max2s on sale as my first really new running shoe and loved them. Felt like they lasted ok for my size and felt great. The most important think for me was they felt like they protected my feet and knees, but they were also very bouncy. Sad that the max 3s aren't the same. I replaced those with saucony endorphin trainers which are ok and my daily trainer, but I don't love them like I loved the hyperion max2s. I also have saucony endorphin speed 4s, as a faster tempo shoe- which are ok but I probably won't buy again. I too am looking for a replacement for an all around shoe/daily trainer.

I was recommended Saucony Endorphin Trainer at a gait analysis lab for this reason and although everyone online hates them I really like them (though if I'd had the chance to research more before I would probs have tried the Speeds and will do next time I need a new shoe). I was coming from a 4th pair of Brooks Launch GTS 9 though and the guy in a running shop called them "old technology" so anything that's not a heavy stability shoe was gonna feel quicker and bouncier. They're super comfy and I keep running PBs so no complaints (except the price!).

Saucony Endorphin Trainer seems to be made specifically for a medium effort long run. Its so great regardless of the many negative reviews.