Saucony - Guide 16

The soles on my Saucony guides (models 15, 16 and now 18) have not lasted as long as the older versions.

I have the Guide 17 on rotation with the Tempus 1. I love the Tempus 1s as something for long/tempo work. They're good stable, non-supershoe option for marathons. I haven't tried the Tempus 2, however. I like the Guide 17, I've heard it's similar to the 18. It took me a some time to get used to the lower drop. They initially gave me some knee pain, but now I've used them on runs up to 13 miles without issue. Also, check out the Doctors of Running site, they have great reviews, especially when it comes to talking about stability. They also talk about a category they call stable neutral shoes, which are neutral shoes that are stable enough to be used by people who need some support.

Horses for courses, for sure. I love my Guide 17 and kinvara 13 when it’s dry, but I live in the subtropics of Australia, so it can be pretty wet here. Need the grip! Puma,topo, ASICS, or just run trails for those days.

I wear barefoot zero drop shoes for daily wear, dog walking, etc. But I do need a high stability shoe for running, I went with the Saucony Guide 17s and I am normally a size 11 and they put me in a 12 and I have zero issues! Not a single blister or lost toenail for all my months of half marathon training

They also come in an extra wide!

I walk and run very differently. Walking, I heel strike, and both feet want to go left. Running, I'm forefoot, mostly of on the balls of my feet, and straighter path. I try to go with stable neutral shoes, not super squishy, not high stack. Brooks Ghost 16, for e.g. The one support shoe I' m comfortable in is the Saucony Guide (17 in this case). Asics, in general, are not great for my foot shape. I also have a New Balance 860. Some days, it wants to make my ankles roll when I go down the stairs, etc.

Thanks on experience ... i run for now in Saucony Guide 17,and Asics GT 2000 13 ,i have flexible high arch. I bought Bostons 13 but they are still in the box,still thinking should i try ,or return them. I did read Hoka x3 ,and Endorfins are stable enough,maybe Puma Deviate nitro 3 has a bit more stable platform?

I still havent tried them,i got overpronation ,but high arches... and i ran in Saucony guide ,and Asics gt 2000 13. What issues do you have with stability shoes? Even with stability shoes ,i got pain in Posterior Tibial Tendon,and often shin splints

Oof. Brooks adrenaline is not a fun shoe. Saucony Tempus and Puma Forever Run are both good. Asics GT2000 14 has updated foam (compared to previous versions) and it’s also a considerably more responsive option. As stability shoes go, those are your best options for something responsive. There are other options that still considerably better than the adrenaline (but not as lively as the first three): Glycerin GTS 22, Saucony Guide 17 or 18, Hoka Arahi 8, Topo Aura, and Asics Kayano if you like a mountain of cushion. There are tons of shoes out there in the “stable neutral” category - which can work very well if you don’t have significant overpronation. These are shoes that are inherently stable and provide a good deal of support without explicitly providing medial/pronation control. They typically have a very wide base, heel bevels that guide the foot and a pretty stiff heel cup/collar. The Doctors of Running have a lot of info on this topic. Insoles in any old shoes you like could also work well (although if you truly need stability, I’d steer away from massively high stacked shoes with very soft foam and no stabilizing elements). But honestly-the adrenaline 24 is about the most boring shoe out there. And although Brooks replaced/updated the foam in every other model they make with the newest models, the adrenaline 25 still has the exact same foam from like 1999. Committed to boring mediocrity and riding the name reputation like the Pegasus.

Wow. Thats a relic and a half. 8-12mm is a fairly negligible difference. 12 to 6 is much more noticeable and Fresh foam from 15 years ago was a virtual brick compared to most foams on the market now. So the softer foam, the lower drop and really, shoes have a whole new engineering with rockers and things. I don’t think you need to stay with a 12mm drop. But maybe cutting it in half in one go, while changing to modern foam and shoe geometry may have been a little more than you were ready for after 15 years of 1225. The 1225 was the stability version of the 1080 (I think). The current stability version of the 1080 is the Vongo. So you may want to give that a shot. I think they are on version 6? Maybe 7? Unless it’s been discontinued. If that is too soft, you may want to try the 860. That’s also a stability option, but has less cushion. Heading outside of New Balance, ASICS Kayano and GT2000 are their tried and true stability options (GT 2000 will be more firm, Kayano more plush). Saucony has the Hurricane, Guide and the Tempus. The Guide is the regular stability daily trainer. The Hurricane is a higher cushion stability shoe with some super foam. The Tempus is a stability shoe with only super foam. It’s really a nice shoe. I’m not positive on the drop, but Adidas Supernova Solution would likely work as well. Any Brooks shoe that has “GTS” in the name is a stability shoe. If you can find a Launch GTS, that may be a very close match to the 1225 (it’s pretty firm with a high drop). The Adrenaline is their every day daily trainer stability shoe. And the Glycerin GTS is the higher cushion option. If you want something a little more fun, a little faster or more racy, the Hyperion 2 GTS could work. It’s not as firm as some, but it’s super foam (or at least some). Puma Forever Run Nitro is yet another option that could work. I’m not sure the drop again, but it’s a good shoe and a good ride (and it’s got stability). I would start with those and see what you can find and if any of those even feel agreeable to your feet (in terms of firmness, fit, etc.). You really should be able to go down to an 8-10 drop without a huge issue (again-barring all of the other enormous changes in shoes since you stockpiled your 1225’s).

I agree with him Saucony hurricane is best bet as i own one but that is my slow run day as recovery and my other is Saucony guide 17 a bit lighter witth a little rocker as in little so i do swap them. I also have guide 18 but have not tested yet, but that is me. Maybe other people have other ideas

For my end, on guide 17 it bounce a bit which i like most, with a bit of of stiff in middle, toe box is wide enough, im 225 lbs n still serving, run that for over 20 5k, 3 10k,2 half marathon n one full marathon(but this one slower on my end) but have to rotate it out with my hurricane, those short run with guide 17 feels really well for me n easy on my knees, but its going to be different from every person, depends on ur feet size, highly recommend go to fleet feet or any running shoes stores to try it on, at the end my experience is been better, i started with guide 14 and keep continuing

Having run in stability models across major brands, New Balance (860v14, Vongo V6), Saucony (Guide 17, Tempus 2), Asics (Kayano 32, GT 2000 13), and Brooks (Adrenaline GTS 24, Glycerin GTS 22), I can say New Balance's Fresh Foam with embedded stability planes offers a distinctly plush experience.The 860 and Vongo are the plushest stability shoes I've run in, with the Vongo delivering a ride similar to the neutral 1080 v14 but with added stability. Since you're loving the 860, I'd skip the Kayano 32. It's rigid, firm, and clunky by comparison. The GT 2000 series could work as they're lighter, smoother, and softer than the Kayano. Saucony's Guides run smooth and light but feel firm and unresponsive. The Tempus is their stability supershoe It's lightweight with a firm, energetic ride and efficient rocker that makes it ideal for performance running. If you want a stability shoe that can double as a racing shoe, this is it. Brooks' Adrenalines are extremely firm, while the Glycerin GTS offers a solid middle ground with superior comfort, cushioning, and smoothness. For plush stability similar to what you're enjoying, stick with New Balance's Fresh Foam platform or consider the Glycerin GTS for a different but comfortable experience.

I currently own just about every stability shoe on the market. Although the Saucony Guide is a lighter shoe, that's kind of where it ends for me. It returns very little energy and the cushion is built for daily miles, not longer runs. If you liked Gav 5, Gav 6 is even better. Mine weigh about an ounce less. The toe box is generous, the upper is more plush, and the lighter weight makes it easier to turn over. I also like my Sauc Hurricane 25s. They weigh around the same as my Gav 6s, but the foam has more pop to it. Not quite as roomy, but adequate. My current favs.

Saucony guide 17 and 18 both great normal shoes (now very much 'stable neutral' rather than outright stability)