Guide 16

The soles on my Saucony guides (models 15, 16 and now 18) have not lasted as long as the older versions.

I've used saucony guide 16 and adidas ultraboost.. I've only ran 10k n both shoes give me moderate pain post run. I don't intend to go beyond 10k due to flat feet

I have the Guide 17 on rotation with the Tempus 1. I love the Tempus 1s as something for long/tempo work. They're good stable, non-supershoe option for marathons. I haven't tried the Tempus 2, however. I like the Guide 17, I've heard it's similar to the 18. It took me a some time to get used to the lower drop. They initially gave me some knee pain, but now I've used them on runs up to 13 miles without issue. Also, check out the Doctors of Running site, they have great reviews, especially when it comes to talking about stability. They also talk about a category they call stable neutral shoes, which are neutral shoes that are stable enough to be used by people who need some support.

Shoes I use and enjoy for longer runs: Topo Specter OG…haven’t tried the 2 Saucony Guide 17 Specter is smoooooooth although it feels a bit less bouncy than it did when I was a lighter runner (went from 64kg to 80kg all from swimming mass). Sometimes it’s a bit firmer now than I’d like. Overall a pleasure. Guide 17. Really roomy fit. Protective AF and soft, not much energy return. Light enough, though. Always pleasurable even going slow and steady.

I walk and run very differently. Walking, I heel strike, and both feet want to go left. Running, I'm forefoot, mostly of on the balls of my feet, and straighter path. I try to go with stable neutral shoes, not super squishy, not high stack. Brooks Ghost 16, for e.g. The one support shoe I' m comfortable in is the Saucony Guide (17 in this case). Asics, in general, are not great for my foot shape. I also have a New Balance 860. Some days, it wants to make my ankles roll when I go down the stairs, etc.

Original version of the Saucony Tempus, still available on Amazon, is much more of a performance shoe than the Guide (daily trainer) or Hurricane (long-run cruiser). A bit firm, doesn't have plush step-in feel, but deceptively quick and versatile for varying paces. Also in this category is the recently discontinued but still available Brooks Hyperion 2 gts. Very light, runs a little long, not the roomiest midfoot. Only the gts for stability.....the regular Hyperion 2 is neutral.

Thanks on experience ... i run for now in Saucony Guide 17,and Asics GT 2000 13 ,i have flexible high arch. I bought Bostons 13 but they are still in the box,still thinking should i try ,or return them. I did read Hoka x3 ,and Endorfins are stable enough,maybe Puma Deviate nitro 3 has a bit more stable platform?

I still havent tried them,i got overpronation ,but high arches... and i ran in Saucony guide ,and Asics gt 2000 13. What issues do you have with stability shoes? Even with stability shoes ,i got pain in Posterior Tibial Tendon,and often shin splints

Oof. Brooks adrenaline is not a fun shoe. Saucony Tempus and Puma Forever Run are both good. Asics GT2000 14 has updated foam (compared to previous versions) and it’s also a considerably more responsive option. As stability shoes go, those are your best options for something responsive. There are other options that still considerably better than the adrenaline (but not as lively as the first three): Glycerin GTS 22, Saucony Guide 17 or 18, Hoka Arahi 8, Topo Aura, and Asics Kayano if you like a mountain of cushion. There are tons of shoes out there in the “stable neutral” category - which can work very well if you don’t have significant overpronation. These are shoes that are inherently stable and provide a good deal of support without explicitly providing medial/pronation control. They typically have a very wide base, heel bevels that guide the foot and a pretty stiff heel cup/collar. The Doctors of Running have a lot of info on this topic. Insoles in any old shoes you like could also work well (although if you truly need stability, I’d steer away from massively high stacked shoes with very soft foam and no stabilizing elements). But honestly-the adrenaline 24 is about the most boring shoe out there. And although Brooks replaced/updated the foam in every other model they make with the newest models, the adrenaline 25 still has the exact same foam from like 1999. Committed to boring mediocrity and riding the name reputation like the Pegasus.

Giant stack heights and soft, “bouncy” foam are ALL the rage right now. Even many long standing models are moving in that direction (like New Balance 1080 and Nike Vomero). Hoka used to be the “OMG so much cushion” brand and now many traditional models have considerably more than Hoka. Brooks Ghost and Adrenaline have much higher stack height than they used to, but overall the feel of the shoe is much more similar to what shoes felt like 5 years ago. Glycerin (the regular models-not the Max or Flex) is also not too far off (but again, much softer and higher stack than what used to be the case). Adidas Supernova Rise is a really nice middle of the road option (also frequently available on sales for less than $75). Supernova Solution is the stability version. Saucony Ride or Guide (for stability) are again…softer and higher stack than shoes used to be, but are pretty close to what they were 5 years ago. Nike Pegasus (the regular Pegasus-not plus, premium, etc) hasn’t been updated since the ‘90’s. So that’s going to also be pretty close to how shoes felt 5 years ago. But generally speaking, everything is becoming max stacked, with “bouncy” foam that is generally quite soft. That is the rage these days and what people seem to buy up in droves. So that’s what shoe companies are creating. Example: nearly everything that ASICS makes. Those shoes can be tons of fun and a lot of them make running feel a bit easier with more energy return than traditional shoes. But they feel like pouffy trampolines. Which is dramatically different than the shoes of 5-10 years ago. If you want something a little lower stack that has more advanced foam, something like Hoka Cielo Road could be a good option. Brooks’ Hyperion 3 or Launch 11/12 could also work. New Balance Rebel is still pretty soft and squishy, but it’s lower stack than much of what’s out there. Hoka Mach 6 is also a nice shoe. Not squishy, lower stack and fairly peppy. And Saucony Kinvara is a nice bland, low stack shoe with foam that hasn’t seen an ounce of innovation in 20 years. So that’s always a low stack, safe bet as well.

I got these the last time they were on sale for $50 and I have really enjoyed them. They are leaps and bounds ahead of Ghost/Adrenaline and I enjoy them more than Ride/Guide. I was also surprised how much I liked them. They are really pretty good.