Saucony - Guide 18 Extra Wide

I caught Posterior Tibialis Tendonitis (PTT) through a combination of high volume and bad orthotics, Saucony Guide 18 saved me. They kinda suck as a racing shoe but got me back into training really quickly (plus some physio of course) and while they are definitely my lamest pair of running shoes, I am forever grateful for them and every once in a while when I feel a little ache in the ankle, I do my next run in them. +1 on the Saucony Hurricane 25 which should be released soon and sound very promising. I also have Puma MagMax Nitro which I really love for everything easy, but it needs some careful fitting of my orthotics plus thoughtful lacing - get it right and they are super comfy & stable, get it wrong and every little niggle you might have will get exxagerated.

hey! slight overpronator here. my strongest giveaway was a wear pattern on the outside heel, very similar to yours. as a first step, you might want to get (custom) orthotics*. did most if the job for me. I would combine them wirh mild stability shoes, namely Saucony Guide 18 and my overpronation issues (and resulting PTT) has improved massively. I have no experience with Brooks, but Saucony will soon release the Hurricane 25 which combines a high stack with mild stability so it might be exactly what you are looking for.

I wore brooks adrenaline gts for years but I didn’t love the 24. Have been using saucony guide 18 for a while now and really like them.

The soles on my Saucony guides (models 15, 16 and now 18) have not lasted as long as the older versions.

Topo Aura, especially in wide. 5-drop. Topo usually has extra arch support, plus wide anatomical toe box. Saucony Guide 18- 4E is really wide, try on before ordering. 6-drop. Saucony Hurricane 25- wide, meaning 2E, 6-drop. Hoka Gaviota 5, or the new 6- again, wide is 2E, and they are 5-drop. Lots more options if 8-drop or stable neutral are options.

I walk and run very differently. Walking, I heel strike, and both feet want to go left. Running, I'm forefoot, mostly of on the balls of my feet, and straighter path. I try to go with stable neutral shoes, not super squishy, not high stack. Brooks Ghost 16, for e.g. The one support shoe I' m comfortable in is the Saucony Guide (17 in this case). Asics, in general, are not great for my foot shape. I also have a New Balance 860. Some days, it wants to make my ankles roll when I go down the stairs, etc.

New Balance might be your best option for wide fits nowadays. But the Saucony Guide 18 is a solid stability shoe that might be a good fit for you. They are more on the firm end, and if you want more bounce I’d recommend their Hurricane 25.

Guide 17/18 and Hurricane 25 work nicely for me

Oof. Brooks adrenaline is not a fun shoe. Saucony Tempus and Puma Forever Run are both good. Asics GT2000 14 has updated foam (compared to previous versions) and it’s also a considerably more responsive option. As stability shoes go, those are your best options for something responsive. There are other options that still considerably better than the adrenaline (but not as lively as the first three): Glycerin GTS 22, Saucony Guide 17 or 18, Hoka Arahi 8, Topo Aura, and Asics Kayano if you like a mountain of cushion. There are tons of shoes out there in the “stable neutral” category - which can work very well if you don’t have significant overpronation. These are shoes that are inherently stable and provide a good deal of support without explicitly providing medial/pronation control. They typically have a very wide base, heel bevels that guide the foot and a pretty stiff heel cup/collar. The Doctors of Running have a lot of info on this topic. Insoles in any old shoes you like could also work well (although if you truly need stability, I’d steer away from massively high stacked shoes with very soft foam and no stabilizing elements). But honestly-the adrenaline 24 is about the most boring shoe out there. And although Brooks replaced/updated the foam in every other model they make with the newest models, the adrenaline 25 still has the exact same foam from like 1999. Committed to boring mediocrity and riding the name reputation like the Pegasus.

Oof. Brooks adrenaline is not a fun shoe. Saucony Tempus and Puma Forever Run are both good. Asics GT2000 14 has updated foam (compared to previous versions) and it’s also a considerably more responsive option. As stability shoes go, those are your best options for something responsive. There are other options that still considerably better than the adrenaline (but not as lively as the first three): Glycerin GTS 22, Saucony Guide 17 or 18, Hoka Arahi 8, Topo Aura, and Asics Kayano if you like a mountain of cushion. There are tons of shoes out there in the “stable neutral” category - which can work very well if you don’t have significant overpronation. These are shoes that are inherently stable and provide a good deal of support without explicitly providing medial/pronation control. They typically have a very wide base, heel bevels that guide the foot and a pretty stiff heel cup/collar. The Doctors of Running have a lot of info on this topic. Insoles in any old shoes you like could also work well (although if you truly need stability, I’d steer away from massively high stacked shoes with very soft foam and no stabilizing elements). But honestly-the adrenaline 24 is about the most boring shoe out there. And although Brooks replaced/updated the foam in every other model they make with the newest models, the adrenaline 25 still has the exact same foam from like 1999. Committed to boring mediocrity and riding the name reputation like the Pegasus.

Wow. Thats a relic and a half. 8-12mm is a fairly negligible difference. 12 to 6 is much more noticeable and Fresh foam from 15 years ago was a virtual brick compared to most foams on the market now. So the softer foam, the lower drop and really, shoes have a whole new engineering with rockers and things. I don’t think you need to stay with a 12mm drop. But maybe cutting it in half in one go, while changing to modern foam and shoe geometry may have been a little more than you were ready for after 15 years of 1225. The 1225 was the stability version of the 1080 (I think). The current stability version of the 1080 is the Vongo. So you may want to give that a shot. I think they are on version 6? Maybe 7? Unless it’s been discontinued. If that is too soft, you may want to try the 860. That’s also a stability option, but has less cushion. Heading outside of New Balance, ASICS Kayano and GT2000 are their tried and true stability options (GT 2000 will be more firm, Kayano more plush). Saucony has the Hurricane, Guide and the Tempus. The Guide is the regular stability daily trainer. The Hurricane is a higher cushion stability shoe with some super foam. The Tempus is a stability shoe with only super foam. It’s really a nice shoe. I’m not positive on the drop, but Adidas Supernova Solution would likely work as well. Any Brooks shoe that has “GTS” in the name is a stability shoe. If you can find a Launch GTS, that may be a very close match to the 1225 (it’s pretty firm with a high drop). The Adrenaline is their every day daily trainer stability shoe. And the Glycerin GTS is the higher cushion option. If you want something a little more fun, a little faster or more racy, the Hyperion 2 GTS could work. It’s not as firm as some, but it’s super foam (or at least some). Puma Forever Run Nitro is yet another option that could work. I’m not sure the drop again, but it’s a good shoe and a good ride (and it’s got stability). I would start with those and see what you can find and if any of those even feel agreeable to your feet (in terms of firmness, fit, etc.). You really should be able to go down to an 8-10 drop without a huge issue (again-barring all of the other enormous changes in shoes since you stockpiled your 1225’s).

How many people are there who actually put a couple hundred km each on more than 5 different models of shoe in a year? Shoes I've enjoyed this year: * Asics Megablast - Everything that needs to be said has been said. 200k so far, already ordered a second pair. * Asics Superblast 2 - zone 3 / long run king, ok at everything else, 700k between two pairs, first pair at 500k not yet retired! Will wait to see what the SB3 brings, and if it's not for me then pick up 1-2 more pairs of SB2. * Saucony Guide 18 - the Guide remains the best shoe to lock in on the treadmill for 60-90 minutes while watching a movie or something. Even the sloppiest form is forgiven. 900k between two pairs (well one was a Guide 17 but it's the same shoe pretty much) * Nike Vomero 18 - great for the slowest of slow recovery jogs. should lose 50g by making the upper a bit less plush. 300k so far. Shoes I wish I could have tried but there weren't enough miles in the year: Puma Velocity Nitro 4, Nike Vomero Plus and Premium, Dynafish Xiaonian

Saucony guide 17 and 18 both great normal shoes (now very much 'stable neutral' rather than outright stability)

Saucony guide 17 and 18 both great normal shoes (now very much 'stable neutral' rather than outright stability)

If you're thinking of Saucony, I think you need the guide 18 not the ride. I believe the ride are neutral. The guide are supportive, which will help with the over pronation seen in your post.