Ride 16

hate the 18, 16 and 17 (stocked up 4 pairs, almost done them)

I have the Speed 3 and loving it. Though very much jealous that you have the 5 - heard great things about it. Tried the speed 4 in store and that felt so good too. I have the triumph 21 and like that a lot too. Ride 18 in store was awesome - bought the 16 too soon, though not disappointed with it.

Try out the Saucony Ride or Endorphin speed (you’ll get the 3s and 4s on discount). If foot width(I couldn’t read fully) is an issue try the men’s shoes in the appropriate size (1.5 lower in men’s is the same size in women’s but had more width). If you want to try ASICS - the mega or sonic blast might work you - try them on first (if not available for you order and return as appropriate). You must be aware of short stride and landing under your body (as it relates to form that helps protects knees).

I have the same rotation and am also looking for wide super shoes because of a mild bunion. The Elite v4 irritates my left Achilles due to its hard heel counter. My current rotation further includes the Topo Atmos (wide enough, but not a racing shoe), the EP3 (too narrow), and the Saucony Ride 16 and 17 (Wide). I'm eagerly waiting for the RunRepeat review of the Elite v5, but I might go for the Cloudboom Strike (not the LS version). However, I'm concerned it might also have a problematic heel counter.

I'll look into trying out different insoles. It's strange because I have heel slip in most of the running shoes I've tried on. The only ones I haven't experienced this with is the Asics Gel Nimbus Lite 3 and the Saucony Ride 16, but both were too narrow and the outside fabric of both shoes has completely come apart.

The upper and heel collar were terrible for me, I sent them back immediately. The most comfortable shoe I've tried on has been the Cloudmonster 2, I'm getting them today. I see OC doesn't get much love here, but I'll report back with a review on them as someone with wide feet.

It's interesting that you mention a sock and lace combo. I've been struggling with heel slip on almost every one of the shoes I try on. The runners knot doesn't work for me because my instep is high and it digs into my ankle. I'm honestly thinking of getting some sort of grip to fit into the back of the heel of the shoe. Most of the OC shoes are bad for wide feet, but the Cloudmonster 2 specifically has a lot of room. I've tried on pretty much all the popular shoes recommended here and they haven't worked, so it's funny that I ended up with the brand that people despise in this sub. Edit - The Cloudmonster 2 didn't work for me unfortunately. The rocker was too aggressive and it was irritating my arches. They fit perfectly, but my high arches didn't like the rocker.

The Cloudmonster 2 didn't work for me unfortunately. The rocker was too aggressive and it was irritating my arches. They fit perfectly, but my high arches didn't like the rocker. I agree with you that it's too rigid. I'm back to my Ride 16 and happy with it. I think with my high arches, I prefer a shoe without a rocker that's flexible.

To me the saucony ride series is a great all rounder. Ran and trained in the Ride 16s from 10ks to half and full marathons.