Triumph 21 Runshield

I PR'd my second marathon yesterday by 32 minutes in Saucony Triump 21 Runshields because it was forecast to pour rain for more than half the race. I was planning on running this race in Saucony Endorphin Speed 5s if it were dry weather. My first marathon was in Vaporfly 3s and I experienced the same foot fatigue it sounds like you did. I don't think I'll race any distance longer than a half marathon in them.

Same boat. Here are the best after extensive trials: Salomon aero glide 3 (grvl more durable)  Saucony triumph 21 (hard to get) Adizero Evo SL  Adizero SL 2 Saucony endorphin speed 3

Hi everyone, I’m a 28M, 62kg runner training for a sub-4:50 marathon (current PB 2:57). I have **very wide feet** and need help picking a race day shoe. The Context: I ran my last marathon in the Saucony Endorphin Elite v1 (EU 43) and absolutely loved them. The wide base and aggressive mechanical "pop" were perfect for me. Unfortunately, my pair has 350km+ and I fear it will be dead by race day. I cannot find a fresh pair of v1s in my size anywhere in Europe. To give you an idea of my foot shape, here is what works and what failed: * ✅ **Saucony Endorphin Elite v1 (EU 43):** Perfect fit. * ✅ **Adidas Adizero Evo SL (EU 43 1/3):** Fits great (wide toe box); Also **Adizero SL2** same size * ✅ **Saucony Triumph 21 (EU 42.5):** Good fit. * ❌ **Adidas Boston 12:** I had to return these. Even sizing up, they were painfully narrow for my midfoot/toes. The Dilemma / Current Options: I am looking for a shoe that can handle 3:47/km (6:05/mile) pace without crushing my feet. 1. **Saucony Endorphin Elite 2:** This seems like the logical successor, but I keep reading that the toe box is more tapered/pointy than the v1. Since the v1 was perfect, I’m terrified the v2 will crush my pinky toe at km 30. Does it actually feel narrower? I can't find them in any store to try them out. Also afraid it is way too soft 2. **New Balance SC Elite v5:** I know this is wide-foot friendly (especially the 2E option), but I’m worried about the "pop." The Elite v1 was aggressive and firm. Is the v5 snappy enough for a sub-2:40 effort, or is it too soft/mushy? (i know Alex Yee used this shoe...) 3. **Adidas Adios Pro 4:** Since I fit (& love) the Evo SL, I’m tempted. BUT, given that I hated the Boston 12 width, is the AP4 a lost cause? Is it narrower than the Boston 12? Has anyone with wide feet made the switch from Elite v1 to Elite v2 or SC Elite v5? Thanks!

Saucony for me, completed my first marathon in ES4's and did my first 50km yesterday in Triumph21's both times my feet held up really well. Not to mention I love my EP2's and just bought some Endorphin elite 2's

Saucony for me, there shoes just seem to be right for me. Endo speed, Endo Pro and Triumph are all favourites. And kinvaras have also been favourite of mine 

The Triumph 21 was so good. Not in a "wow these are exciting!" way, but in a "I can just put them on and not think about it no matter how many miles I do or don't run" kind of way. Just never had a shoe quite like that. It just chewed up miles. The Triumph 23 is fine, but doesn't disappear on my feet quite like the 21 did. The Vomero 18 is sliding into its place in my rotation lately.

Did a bit over 400 on my 21s. They're not totally retired, but are losing their magic a bit. I'm 200-ish pounds and run fast for my size, so they've had hard use. I know people tend to get more out of them usually, but I'm just one of those whose style is hard on shoes. My 23s are still new - just got them a few weeks ago, but haven't been out much since I got them due to being sick and nursing an angry hammy. Only have like 10mi on them so far.

21 is PWRRUN+ vs the new PRRUN PB, - just feels a bit different overall, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. Though it's a bit tough to do apples-to-apples since my 21s have so many miles and it's tough to recall exactly how they felt when they were brand new. But overall, I'd say the 21 had a bit more "plush" feel to them, which I now get out of my Vomero 18s. The Triumph 23 is more responsive, so I think will be better for when I'm after a bit faster pace.

I'm down to 195 from 210 a few months ago - but run fast paces for my size. The Saucony Triumph 21 was my GOAT daily trainer, but the 22 and 23 just weren't the same. RAD UFO, Vomero 18 and Vomero+ are my current go-tos (in that order). All three have been very, very good to me so far.

It definitely changes from generation to generation with them for me. The Triumph 21 is my GOAT daily but they haven't recaptured that magic with the subsequent models. But for my feet, the one thing I can always count in is Saucony is going to fit and feel great on my foot.

Triumph 21 was my GOAT - didn't find the 22 or 23 to have the same magic. Current daily rotation for every day runs is Vomero 18 and RAD UFO. Vomero+ is great also, I just find myself reaching for the 18s more.

I'm down to 195 from 210 a few months ago - but run fast paces for my size. The Saucony Triumph 21 was my GOAT daily trainer, but the 22 and 23 just weren't the same. RAD UFO, Vomero 18 and Vomero+ are my current go-tos (in that order). All three have been very, very good to me so far.

Triumph 21 was my GOAT - didn't find the 22 or 23 to have the same magic. Current daily rotation for every day runs is Vomero 18 and RAD UFO. Vomero+ is great also, I just find myself reaching for the 18s more.

You're on the right path. The Ride is a great shoe. I prefer the Triumph, but if you can't find them on sale, the Ride does a very similar job. Out of your list, the only other one I've tried and jived with is the Vomero 18, which is one of my absolute favorites.

Everybody's feet are different, so that's a tough answer. I have collapsed arches and over-pronate, fairly severely with my left foot, and have had varying success with wildly different shoes. The key for me is a stable heel matched to a non-intrusive arch. I had to trial and error quite a bit with different shoes. I like running in the Saucony Hurricane 24 because it has a lot of good cushion, a lot of different stability elements going on, without having a traditional medial post. There's enough cushion that I feel protected, matched with enough guidance that I'm not moving/wobbling excessively anywhere. The New Balance 860v14 is similar for me, though it's less exciting and the arch-support is slightly more intrusive. I tried the Saucony Hurricane 25 on in store and they seem lighter and a touch more sporty feeling. The Saucony Triumph 20 oddly enough works great for me as well because the lockdown is flawless for me in addition to a stable feeling heel. I think a good, stable heel keeps my inner-ankle from rotating inward and is just enough that I'm not beating up my foot/arch. These next two are really oddballs for me and it took me years to even consider giving them a shot.  On a whim I tried a Saucony Kinvara 15 and Altra Escalante 4 recently and love them both.  I always figured this type of shoe would never ever work for me, but they do.  The light, low, firm setup is inherently stable and the ground-feel allows me to really focus on my form: not slamming my feet or heels down, running quietly is what I tell myself.  I think many shoes just have too much height and squish that allows too much movement for me and lower stack, firmer shoes leave less room for error.  The Kinvara feels both light and minimal but just protective enough at the same time. They also have minimal arch-humps so I never feel uncomfortable pressure there. I keep runs in these shoes less than 5 miles since they're on the more minimal side. Here are some that did not work for me: Saucony Guide 16: horrible, painful stiff medial post, slappy shoe New Balance 860v12: too firm, invasive arch New Balance 1080v12: insane instability Adidas Adizero SL2: I occasionally use these but they are very soft with minimal structure Topo Fly-lite 5: rock-hard, invasive arch support, wildly uncomfortable Brooks Adrenaline GTS 19: like running in a wooden clog 

I just did one today in the Triumph 21 lol. I think I've gotta try out this Azura

I was in your same position last year and opted for the Saucony Triumph 21. Got about 160 miles on them now and can confidently recommend.