Dreame - L40 Ultra AE

The L40 ultra AE doesn’t have an extending side brush, only an extending mop, and it is quite unreliable. Mine broke after only 2 weeks of use(one of the mops started grinding). Why dont you take a look at the L50 ultra? It has both extending arm and mop, but doesn’t have a retractable lidar(if you have lower hanging furniture).

There are much better robots you can buy at the same price or lower. There is the dreame x40 ultra for £1099 which will greatly outperform the deebot x5 pro. It has hot water mop cleaning, tangle free vacuuming with the TriCut brush, and good mopping. Dreame robots have the best edge cleaning out of all the brands. There is the dreame l40 ultra for £849, a much better deal as it is essentially the same as the Dreame x40 ultra except for battery life. Since you didn’t mention having a pet, I think the best value choice is the dreame L10s ultra Gen 2 (£549). Also tangle free vacuuming with the TriCut brush, strong all-around performance, but no hot water mop washing. Just take care of your cables and it’ll do well.

Currently available in the market and is a general all rounder for both vacuuming and mopping with good anti-tangling: dreame X/L40 Ultra, Roborock QRevo Curv/Edge, Dreame’s subbrand MOVA P10 Pro Ultra if lack of mop removal isn’t an issue and is the cheapest at 659 USD. To be released in a month: Dreame X50 Ultra with the best mop washboard self-cleaning system (preorders are open to purchase it for 1309), Roborock Saros 10R (February release, no preorders) To be released within the first half of 2025 in the US: MOVA V50S Ultra (little is known but I am hopeful), MOVA Z50 Ultra (most is known and it seems to have X40 ultra level vacuuming but much better mopping), Narwal Flow (excited about this one but no reviews anywhere)

The L40 at £700 is a total steal for online Costco especially with Costco’s generous return policy~ I’m so sorry I forgot that the curv and edge are still not released in the UK market :(

In the US, the Dreame L40 Ultra is 399 USD with an antitangle TriCut brush (very important for friends with heavily shedding pets) if ordered from the physical dreame store in-person and ordered via phone or email. This model is pretty popular along pet owners and great for homes with mostly hard floors.

Check here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Dreame_Tech/s/FG1GZlvzpQ

The Dreame L40 Ultra AE will be the best priced option that fulfills everything. For the cable, the obstacle avoidance will recognize it as a cable and avoid it instead of crossing it so cover it with something.

The only possible con I can think compared to the L40 Ultra is that the sensor array is the older one.

I think the Dreame L40 Ultra will do best in this regard if you value obstacle avoidance and corner/edge cleaning as well. There is also the much cheaper MOVA P10 Pro Ultra which is the exact same model as it is a sub brand of dreame without the mop removal function which isn’t necessary in your use case.

The dreame L40 Ultra will be the most cost effective combo model (438.99 USD with freebies from the physical dreame store that does nationwide shipping) and the best at obstacle avoidance (ecovacs does terribly with obstacle avoidance even with an RGB camera). The roborock has no RGB camera and its ReactiveTech obstacle avoidance isn’t as good compared to its RGB camera enabled one (which doesn’t do well on carpets. For thick wool rugs, a robot vacuum may struggle with this.

If in the US, the L40 Ultra is much cheaper at 399 USD (if ordering from the physical Dreame store) and the P50 Pro Ultra at 799 USD. The P50 Pro Ultra will have better base station self cleaning and better carpet cleaning. Here’s a comparative review of the two: https://youtu.be/LNJ6yK5c2Wc Both the dreame and MOVA will have better navigation and obstacle avoidance than the Ecovacs T50 Pro since the Ecovacs has no led fill light for avoiding things in the dark and the lidar’s field of vision is reduced from 360° for a lidar tower to about 120°. The MOVA P50 Pro Ultra will have the best base station self cleaning. Both the dreame and MOVA have a bigger onboard dustbin at 300ml over ecovacs’ 260ml which means less trips to the autoempty station, especially helpful for pet owners. The ecovacs is also unable to lift its side brush and main brush which means: if mopping up a wet spill it’ll smear liquid around and if just mopping in general the dirty brushes will eventually overlap with the mopping path and make mud in the brush compartment. A lot of other robots like the dreame and MOVA can lift the side brush and main brush which is recommended.

Dreame will have the best obstacle avoidance out of all of these three brands. Its subbrand MOVA sells the P10 Pro Ultra which is nearly identical to the L40 Ultra and discounts bring it to 499-599. The P50 Pro Ultra is like the L40 Ultra but with the X50’s better self cleaning mop tray.

I like how Jamie Andrews tests aspects that are advertised for quality of life (self cleaning the dock and using hot water) whereas vacuumwars simply rattles them off like a sales brief checklist. I can confirm Dreame does reach the advertised hot water temperature listed (I tested myself with an electric thermometer connected to the area on the washboard where the water would flow from the pipes) and it usually hovers at about 5-10°C below the advertised temperature before reaching it for a second or two. Don’t know about the new AceClean dock as I don’t have it but Dreame told me any misplacement of the temperature probes will result in measuring errors of more than 10°C.

Dreame's L40 Ultra will do a pretty good job for a combo robot at 399 USD. Won't be as good as a Dyson Visnav or a iRobot S9+ which are vacuum only models

Dreame/MOVA models with an RGB camera and Narwal camera enabled models are best at obstacle avoidance. As for hair: dreame/MOVA models with the TriCut brush will do just fine with human hair and pet fur. For longer hair, I’d look at the dreame L/X40 and newer (MOVA P10 Pro Ultra and newer) as the new side brush design is more tangle resistant compared to the previous one. If your pet sheds a lot, I’d recommend the Dreame x50 ultra as it can compress fur in its dustbin as it vacuums. Narwal’s Freo Z Ultra is a good choice for hair and fur too. It has great obstacle avoidance and will have the best smart cleaning program. There is also the LDS-only Freo Z10 which will be able to mop closer to edges and untangle any tangled hair on its side brushes These models all are combo models that mop much better than a swiffer. Upcoming models that will mop better than the previous models: MOVA Z50 Ultra and the Narwal Flow.

Best cost efficient choice: dreame L40 Ultra and the MOVA P10 Pro Ultra are 599 USD on Amazon for their Easter sale. Both models are essentially the same save for the L40 having the ability to remove its mops.

A lot of flagship priced robot vacuums vacuum better than the Narwal Freo Z Ultra but the Narwal Freo Z Ultra seems to be king with the smart clean feature. A robot vacuum with flagship level cleaning (and a formerly flagship price) would be the dreame L40 Ultra for 399 USD if purchased from a physical dreame store which will ship across the US for free if you order via phone or email. The MOVA P10 Pro Ultra should be similarly priced and is a good budget friendly favorite. If you want to support a local startup, try Matic robotics’ cute robot which I’d recommend if you want an all in one combo robot with a basic base station. It’s powered by the Nvidia Orin robotics chip so it theoretically is the smartest robot. Currently, it seems the robot is constantly being updated as soon as the software engineers there are aware of an issue. If you want good roller mopping right now and vacuuming carpets isn’t as much of a concern, I’d go for the eufy E25/28 (main difference other than a fabric cleaner is that the E28 has a refillable detergent tank) since it exerts 12N of mopping pressure and seems to mop rather well but vacuuming carpets is another story. The ecovacs X8/X9 only exerts 10N of pressure with the mop but the X9 will vacuum carpets better. More pressure is one of the factors that lead to better mopping.

In Italy, the P50 Pro Ultra costs 899 EUR. The Dreame L40 is at 899 as well. The MOVA is clearly a no-brainer in this case, with a much better AceClean dryboard and a sleeker base station (in my opinion).

If you want a combo robot, the Dreame L40 Ultra is sold at 399 with the antitangle brush which works great for long hair and mops well.

Under 500 it’s now the dreame L40 Ultra. Best for “infinite budget” depends on home environment.

I’d recommend robots with an autoempty station so most of the maintenance will be replacing the dustbag, tapping the dust out of the filter, and cleaning the robot once in a while. A lot of vacuum only robots with an autoempty base station will be fit in this budget! A popular choice is the Roborock Q5 Max+ or the Roborock Q8 Max+. Combo models will need more care ( you’d also have to refill the clean water tank, emptying the dirty water tank, cleaning the water tanks, and the mop pad cleaning tray). Some have completely removable mop pad cleaning trays which make it more physically accessible to clean. Some other ones don’t. For combo models, the recent sales and discounts have made the Dreame L40 Ultra (438.99*-599) or the MOVA P10 Pro Ultra (599) will be the best priced model given all the self cleaning features it has. I believe both models have a pet mode where it purposely tries to be quieter when it sees pets (dogs and cats alike). It’s cheapest to find the dreame L40 Ultra with the anti-tangle TriCut brush at the dreame physical store which accepts orders placed over phone or email. I recommend these models mainly because the mop pad cleaning tray has wipers that will redirect dirt to the drainage area, reducing the need to clean the area. Unfortunately, the mop pad cleaning tray isn’t completely removable (the base in contact with the water is not removable). Here’s a video on how the mop pad cleaning tray is cleaned. https://youtu.be/kSoxaozdtkU The roborock qrevo models have a completely removable mop tray which makes it easier to clean compared to the Dreame or roborock models. However, I haven’t found a roborock qrevo model at a price as low as the Dreame and MOVA models. The Qrevo QV 35A ($599.99) does have an anti-tangle side brush but no mop pad cleaning tray self cleaning and the lack of an RGB camera means the price isn’t as worth as the other models :( Here’s a video of how maintenance will look for the QRevo models: https://youtu.be/f0NzG5ANyEc Maintenance tips and tricks: For maintenance, please tap the dust out of the filter once every few cleaning tasks or whatever is most convenient for you guys. Mud will build up in the brush compartment of combo models if you set your robot to vacuum and mop at the same time, making cleaning the brush area more often. so I recommend asking it to vacuum first then mop so the need to clean the brush compartment will be less often. Combo robots require the base station’s mop pad cleaning tray to be cleaned once every two weeks or so (I suggest leaving it alone and finding the ideal frequency for you). In my use, squeegee based self-cleaning mop pad cleaning trays will mean fur catches on the wipers and the nubs which happens with most friction based cleaning methods. I use a pet safe robot mop compatible detergent in the clean water tank at a ratio of 1:100. Bissell’s spinwave compatible multisurface cleaner is my favorite. I also use a silver ion module in the clean water tank to prevent gross stuff from building up in it. I use a deodorization and disinfectant module in my dirty water tank to help with the smell (it should be emptied as soon as the robot finishes cleaning and cleaning its mops). You’ll have to scrub down this dirty water tank every once in a while too. I run my combo robot twice a day which means I have to refill and empty my tanks once every two days or so. No smell or anything.

Someone called the store for me and told me the Dreame L40 Ultra is still at 438.99 USD with the free TriCut brush and an accessory kit!

In the US, the L40 Ultra is a good all around combo that had its price drop to 399 USD with the same performance as the Dreame X40 Ultra as well as its obstacle avoidance! I’d recommend running your robot twice a day. That’s what I do with my heavily shedding corgi.

Out of the ones you mentioned, the L40 Ultra will be easiest to maintain with the QRevo models coming in after for their removable mopping tray. For the L40 Ultra, it can remove the mops when vacuuming the carpets. Other robots will drag the mops. For all of the models you mentioned, you’d need to buy vacuum bags for the autoempty station. Don’t worry though, the first bag will fill up fast from shedding pets but will plateau and it’ll slow down over time. It’s cheap to get from Temu/aliexpress from resellers who sell the real bags or the official mainland Chinese stores on taobao’s Tmall. Floor cleaner: roborock says using unauthorized cleaning agents will void warranty. Actually, just filling it in with a robot mop friendly cleaner that is ph neutral, low-foaming and the same thickness as water if put in the detergent tank will work just fine. I like the Bissell spinwave compatible natural multisurface cleaner which is pet safe. I add it in at a ratio for 1:30 for deep cleaning and 1:200, like the ratio the robot manufacturers recommend, for daily cleaning. Just say you used the official one when if you need to talk to customer service.

If you’re in the US, I’d get the dreame L40 Ultra (399 USD) for the main floor and a roborock Q5 Max+ or the Q8 Max+ for the upper floor.

A much better CleanGenius please with the ability for it to remop/revacuum areas more if needed. Better carpet cleaning, imagine if a dreame robot could vacuum carpets just as well as the robot by another D-name brand (Dyson) and be able to mop (either with the new hydrosync track type roller mop or just spinning mops). Variable mop pressure and that could work with CleanGenius depending on the types of flooring and if it’s facing dried on stains or liquid messes. Better battery life especially when just cleaning at the normal settings. I hope the Aqua 10 Pro Track doesn’t have the same issue as the X50 Ultra especially since it has an onboard water heater. I love the cute eyes on the Aqua 10 Pro Track and especially the station’s design! Would be awesome if it could somewhat blend into my furniture like iRobot’s J9+’s base station which looks like a small bedside stand. Pets like to sleep everywhere, would be nice if the clean missed areas function was automated if it detects a pet is blocking the way/area (user should have the choice to choose if this is the case).

The dreame L/X40 are good all around combo models. The eufy models are better suited for mopping.

What's your home like? Is it mostly hardfloors, carpet, or a mix of both? As for obstacle avoidance, the best options are the Dreame X/L40 Ultra and newer models, the Eufy S1 Pro, and the Narwal Freo Z Ultra. Roborock won't do as well for cables. If this isn't an issue, it'll be fine too. I don't recommend the roborock Z70, the Roborock Saros 10 and the QRevo Curv would be much better choices as accommodating the arm meant the cleaning performance had to be sacrificed. For corner cleaning, Dreame is the most aggressive in terms of its algorithm. Roborock is rather shy when it comes to cleaning corners with the extending side brush. I'm not sure about Eufy's E25/E28's extending side brush, but the square shape can make it harder for it to fit into corners if the algorithm isn't optimized. The Eufy S1 Pro and the Narwal Freo Z do not have as good corner cleaning capabilties.

The best self cleaning models can also clean the base station’s mop washboard and the vacuum’s filter. I’d recommend these ones which can do this: Currently the best at self cleaning: the MOVA V50 Ultra can dry it’s dustbin and dustbag to prevent mildew unlike the other choices which brings it above the other robots Almost there: Dreame L/X50 Ultra, L40S Ultra/Pro Ultra In the middle: MOVA P50 Pro Ultra Pretty okay at self cleaning: MOVA P10 Pro Ultra, Dreame L/X40, roborock models with the motorized scrapers, Narwal models with an all in one base station.

You don’t need a hair cutter to remove hair from the roller brush. The roborock q5 max+ or the Q8 max+ are popular vacuum only options. All rubber dual brushes help with fur pickup and are okay at resisting tangles but will have tangled fur and hair on the sides which are easily removable. For combo robots: It seems like you’re in the US so I’d recommend the Dreame L40 Ultra at 399 with the antitangle TriCut brush if purchased from Dreame’s physical store which ships for free nationwide https://www.reddit.com/r/RobotVacuums/s/AgXP4k48pP

The dreame L40 Ultra is going to be your best bang for buck robot. It’s also at 440 if you order from the dreame physical stores on the west coast which will deliver to those in the US mainland for free if you place an order via phone or email.

There’s like three stores in the west coast and the discounts keep changing and supposedly rotates around the stores: Here’s one: https://www.reddit.com/r/Dreame_Tech/s/AWDKD5QeD8 Ask about the L40 Ultra. Also heard that mentioning Jamie Andrews sent you will give you extra freebies! https://www.reddit.com/r/Dreame_Tech/s/acILI9ITWu

Thanks for sharing! I hypothesize that the X50 Ultra's poor battery life is likely due to the more power-hungry computer chip it utilizes. My own experience with the L40s Pro Ultra (mainland Chinese version) had a *worse battery life* that struggled to finish cleaning my home whereas my much cheaper combo Xiaomi robot (also mainland Chinese version) that has the same battery capacity and is also made by Dreame would be able to vacuum first and then mop my small apartment and finish with 50%. Other reviewers have reported that the L40s Pro Ultra (non-mainland Chinese edition) had a bad battery life, just like me :( Hopefully, this issue will be fixed soon. I hope the Dreame Aqua 10 Pro Track doesn't suffer the same battery life issue, especially because it'll need a more powerful chip to process all the information coming from the HD binocular RGB cameras and the dot projector, and a power-efficient water heater in the robot to heat the water up.

The Dreame L40 Ultra should also be priced similarly and will be much better at detangling hair and dealing with fur, thanks to the antitangle TriCut brush (which I find to work well with my long-haired corgi). Unfortunately, its only selling at dreame's physical stores in the US (shipping for free in the US mainland) at 440 with a free antitangle Tricut brush and amazon is much more expensive at 599

MOVA P10 Pro Ultra and the Dreame L40 Ultra should be in this price range (use a price tracker) and greatly outperform other models in the same price range. I think one of them shipped with the anti-tangle tricut brush, which worked well with my long-haired corgi's fur. I'd so change the mop pads to the roborock saros one (cheap on aliexpress) as it's plusher and can remove muddy prints better. Not so much a fan of how the dustbin can clog in the middle with fur, but have empty space on the sides, and how the self-cleaning mop washboard loves to have fur in every nook and cranny. The MOVA P10 Pro Ultra does also seem to have a front wheel breaking issue in North America, which is weird since this issue isn't reported nearly as much with the near identical Dreame L40 Ultra.

Thanks for sharing! The L40 Ultra will be the most cost effective de facto flagship at 400ish which blows other robots at the same price out of the water.

I’d save my money and go with a dreame L/X40 which retails from 440-680ish if you buy it from their physical store which does free mainland shipping in the us if you place an order via phone/email. You can change the mop pad holders to the flexipress ones which can tilt up to 5° and go up 2mm and down 1mm and use plush mop pads like the roborock Saros or Curv pads which are better for uneven surfaces like your textured tiled floors.

1. Anything that moves can break. So I suggest buying from a retailer with a good return policy + a good protection plan. 2. For base station cleaning: Dreame (some models), eufy, Narwal, roborock, and Xiaomi have completely removable mop washboards. I’m not a fan of the wiper driven mop washboards on the Dreame X/L30 and X/L40 ultra and the MOVA P10 Ultra/Pro Ultra simply because there’s too many nook and crannies to clean. However their new aceclean dryboard on the L/V/X50 Ultra and newer is much easier to clean even when only the filter is removable since there’s no nooks and crannies for dirt to hide in and dirt only really collects under the removable filter which is easily removed with a wet wipe or a Clorox wipe. I’d avoid bagless base stations. Spinning mop combo robots are less maintenance than roller mop robots.

I just lost the draft of the comment I was writing on here TvT The brands best at obstacle avoidance are dreame eufy and Narwal. Recommendations come from cheapest to highest Narwal Freo Z ultra at €549 Best for smoothest obstacle avoidance, great at preventing hair and fur tangles, best smart cleaning mode, easy to clean, and great mopping Not so Great at: vacuuming (compared to other robots), water tanks need to be refilled frequently so it is better suited for smaller homes Why so cheap? It already has a successor and the new flagship the Narwal Flow is going to be released. No eufy models that are close to obstacle avoidance at this price range so no eufy recommendation. Dreame L40 Ultra AE €671 Good at: obstacle avoidance (firmware updates help) but not as smooth since it only has one eye instead of two like Narwal do it needs to go backwards to gauge the distance to something, more rounded vacuuming (better than the Narwal) and mopping performance. Not so good at: not many like the smart cleaning mode, not as easy to clean as you’d need to get down to maintain it. Slightly pared down L40 Ultra

The dreame L40 is a de facto flagship with much better obstacle avoidance mainly because of the better software and the fact it has an RGB camera. The edge and corner cleaning is also much better. The roborock S7 max ultra only has structured light so obstacle avoidance won’t be as good.

I don’t think the MOVA p10 pro ultra is in Europe and I haven’t seen any sales for the L40 ultra in Europe yet.

I found the L40 Ultra for 699 at Dreame’s Spanish website.

There’s no best robot! But the best bang for buck in the US is going to be the dreame L40 ultra at 440usd at physical dreame stores which deliver in the us mainland for free to 499 or 599 on amazon. It cleans much better than a roomba combo.

The problem with generative AI, even with the research function, is that the information is woefully outdated and often hallucinates things that don't exist. You want these features: >Good object avoidance (chairs, socks, cables, etc.) But the models the generative AI seems to have found for you will not do well in avoiding cables and socks. This is because they all only use structured light sensors, which are not well-suited for this. Only robots with an RGB camera, an LED fill light, and good obstacle avoidance software. If you tidy those up, then the MOVA P50 Ultra at 549 euros ( [https://de.mova.tech/products/mova-p50-ultra-robot-vacuum](https://de.mova.tech/products/mova-p50-ultra-robot-vacuum) ) is a good choice. Actual obstacle avoidance comes with a higher price tag in more expensive models like the Dreame L40 Ultra AE at 609 euros (German Dreame website). >**Goal**: **Maximum automation** – no daily involvement (vacuuming, mopping, cleaning the mop, drying, edge cleaning) Robot at this price range will need more attention than those with better self cleaning features, such as tapping the dust out of the filter out once every few cleaning runs (recommended to do once after every cleaning run when first using it) rinsing the dustbin and filter and wiping the robot clean once every two weeks or so, refilling and emptying the dirty water tanks, cleaning the mop washboard as needed. The Dreame L40 Ultra AE at 609 euros will have some sort of mop washboard self-cleaning, but it is rather annoying to clean with too many nooks and crannies for my liking, and the wipers like to drag hair around the washboard. If you tidy the cables and socks up, the MOVA P50 Ultra will have the best self-cleaning mop washboard since there are barely any nooks and crannies, and you can get the robot to clean its own washboard by pressing a button in the app. You'd still need to tap the dust out of the filter after every few cleaning runs, occasionally wipe the washboard down and the area under the filter, and rinse the palm-sized removable filter, which stops hair and large debris from entering. If you want the robot to clean its filter when auto-emptying, the Dreame L40s Pro Ultra is the cheapest model I've found that can do this. But it's at 769 ( [https://de.dreametech.com/products/dreame-l40s-pro-ultra-schwarz-saugroboter](https://de.dreametech.com/products/dreame-l40s-pro-ultra-schwarz-saugroboter) ) Maintenance tips: 1. Run the robot to vacuum first, then mop to mitigate difficult-to-clean mud buildup in the dustbin, filter, and brush compartment. It'll have less gross stuff in the brush compartment when you clean it. 2. The dirty water tank can stink, but the Dreame or Roborock dirty water deodorization module helps a lot in keeping the tank from smelling in between emptying. Do rinse and clean the dirty water tank with dish soap once every two weeks or so. Do rinse the deodorization modules and the dirty water tank when emptying the dirty water tank. Dreame one supposedly lasts longer, at 6 months, and the roborock lasts about 3 months. I also added a silver ion module to both clean and dirty water tanks to avoid any bacterial biofilm buildup. 3. If getting a model that can't clean its own filter, I put in cut-out pieces of air conditioner pre-filter sheets that fit just on the filter, which barely impede airflow for the vacuum. This will act as a robot prefilter and you won't need to tap the dust out of the filter as often and simply throw away the prefilter sheet and replace it with a new one.

Poop dodging? Sorry this feature won’t be on both models you’ve mentioned. It’s only in the 400-600 range that has actual ability to dodge poop. I’d check out the MOVA p10 pro ultra or the dreame l40 ultra which are currently the cheapest models with this capability and sometimes is sold with the antitangle TriCut brush which has worked well for my long haired corgi. I think there’s also the Narwal Freo Z ultra which was at a similar price range of 600 something.

Try the MOVA P10 Pro Ultra for 499 USD or the near equivalent Dreame L40 Ultra at the same price. Much better at cleaning than the ecovacs model while being cheaper. Only the Narwal models have a handle to carry its base station. However, every model with an all in one base station (with the exception of the Narwal flow), need to have the base station on the same floor as the robot.

Are you looking for only roborock? The roborock MaxV has no extending side brush for corner cleaning. Roborock’s side and edge cleaning algorithm is also rather conservative and won’t extend the side brush out to clean closer to edges if there’s like a toe kick or swing the extended mop(which dreame/MOVA does and Narwal does this too but with the mops only). > better mobility and avoiding obstacles Roborock’s obstacle avoidance lags behind other robots, even at this price range. TvT I’d check out the dreame l40 ultra or the MOVA p10 pro ultra if cheaper than the MaxV. Turns out it’s the p50 with the broken front wheel issue.

The dreame l40 ultra and the MOVA p10 pro ultra are popular combo robots at 500-600 usd (I haven’t found a combo that is in the same price range and delivers the same functions and performance as these two models). The main brush won’t get tangled if you use the TriCut brush which worked well in my home with long hair and a long haired corgi.

Cost effective choice that deals well with fur: dreame l40 ultra and the MOVA p10 pro ultra work with an antitangle TriCut brush which has worked well in my experience with a long haired corgi. Price should be from 400-600 when on sale. Eufy e25/28 will also be a good choice at about 600-800. Do ask eufy customer support for a new dirty water tank to avoid it from leaking it on the floor. The s1 was ruled out as the e25/28 do better on rugs and carpets and the s1 (both non-pro and pro) lacks a good antitangle brush but the all rubber main brush is generally tangle resistant.

I wouldn’t recommend robot vacuums if you are solely concerned with allergy and asthma care as most robot vacuums are not fully sealed (the Dyson VisNav 360 has been verified by a third party lab to be fully sealed meeting HEPA standards but it’s not really a great robot). I’d get an air purifier and get the robot vacuum to clean up fur and litter. I’d definitely go for the L40 ultra at this price since it’ll have the most cost effective obstacle avoidance and should automatically increase suction and slows down when it sees litter. Just note it’ll have to autoempty more frequently since the dustbin isn’t very well suited for lots of fur. As for care, you’d need to tap the dust out of the filter once every few cleaning runs, clean the dirty water tank, refill and empty the clean and dirty water tanks. You can add robot safe cleaning solution to the clean water tank so it mops with detergent.

Good at obstacle avoidance, better suited at vacuuming but is a cost effective choice when under 600 usd

I’d prioritize a robot with antitangle rollers, decent mopping (usually starting at the 500 USD range), and an easy to clean robot. Really good midrange option: dreame l40 ultra or the MOVA p10 pro ultra at about 500. They’ll deliver the best bang for buck performance. The x40 ultra should also be in this price range. It should come with an antitangle TriCut brush that works but generally makes it louder. The most expensive options have quieter antitangle rollers as they don’t cut the tangled hair but direct it to the dustbin with their tapered end. A bit more expensive but better mopping: the eufy e25 at 629 USD has antitangle brush rollers that work and a decent roller mop. do ask Eufy’s customer support for their updates dirty water component as the one the first gen ones ship with have a leaking issue. I don’t see any other robot in this price range that mops better. Most expensive with the best mopping that doesn’t really come at the cost of vacuuming pet fur at 999: the MOVA Z60 Ultra SA has antitangle rollers and a good roller mop that can extend to clean closer to edges with antitangle combs on the roller mop to prevent tangling. It’s very similar to the MOVA Z60 Ultra Roller which is more expensive with the only difference being threshold crossing wheels but the mopping is the same. MOVA sent me their Z60 ultra roller to review as part of their Reddit collaboration program and I found it to mop really well with no tangles anywhere other than fur wrapped around the fluffing roller which you need to clean once every 30 working hours (the app reminds you).

The dreame l40 ultra and the MOVA p10 pro ultra frequently are at 475 usd, I would definitely wait for sales. These robots are going to be the most cost effective compared to other robots. They should come with an antitangle Tricut brush or a tangle resistant rubber roller.

Brands with good obstacle avoidance (assuming the models at least have an RGB camera): DJI, dreame, eufy, MOVA (a dreame subbrand), Narwal We’re going to filter these brands by your requirements. Brands that have antitangle brushes: all the brand I’ve mentioned earlier have antitangle main brushes of some kind on at least one model. Brands that are generally good all rounders when it comes to vacuum and mopping: dreame, eufy (e25/e28 and hopefully the S2), and MOVA. Eufy’s e25 is pretty good at its regular price. It uses the same principle as your curv’s brushes to detangle hair and it’s reported to work well. You’d also get solid eufy aftersales support. If you choose this model, ask eufy support to send the new water tank so it will not leak dirty water onto your floors. Dreame and MOVA have a lot of models and the antitangle technology differs between model so here’s what matters: Dreame’s TriCut Brush/MOVA’s EasyChop Brush Little blades are hidden in the brush roller which have combs just big enough for hair and fur to get into. When the brush spins it powers the blades to move like a razor and cuts off any hairs tangled in the combs. However, the models that use this single brush design are prone to ineffectively using the space in the dustbin, clogging the dustbin with fur in the middle while having empty space on the sides. Models with this brush: Literally any dreame or MOVA robot starting from the 10 series and newer that uses a single brush (the MOVA p20 ultra is an oddball exception). I’d recommend models that work with this brush as the most cost effective choice as models like the L40 ultra can be found at about 500-600 usd now in the US. It worked well with my heavily shedding long haired corgi. Dual antitangle rollers: Dreame’s HyperStream detangling DuoBrush and MOVA’s TroboWave DuoBrush Like the roborock QRevo Curv, it channels hair that is tangled on it to the narrow end where it’ll be free. However unlike the curv, the main difference is that the narrow end where the hair leaves is somewhat covered by the brush roller and the dual brushes are designed like the S8 Pro Ultra in a parallel configuration (II). The brush closer to the front is all TPU rubber for carpets and the brush further from the front is rubber and bristles angled for hair to slip to the narrow end. For homes with heavily shedding pets, models with this DuoBrush are my recommendation as it comes with a fur compression feature where it uses the airflow to push the fur to the end of the dustbin that is furthest from the dustbin’s opening so it can fully utilize the space. It’ll also be able to pack more fur into the dustbin. I was able to test this feature and it worked as advertised (which rarely happens). It worked well with my heavily shedding long haired corgi. Models with this DuoBrush: Dreame: Combo: Aqua 10 pro/ultra track, Aqua 10 Ultra Roller, Aqua 10 Roller, X50 Ultra, X50S Ultra, Matrix 10, L50 Ultra, L50 Pro Ultra Vacuum focused with only structured light as its obstacle avoidance sensors: D20 Plus and the D20 Pro Plus MOVA: Combo: V50 Ultra, P50S Ultra, Z60 Ultra Roller, V60 Mobius Vacuum focused with only structured light as its obstacle avoidance sensors: E30 Pro Plus (looks the same as the D20 Pro Plus) Narwal’s new model called the flow looks pretty nice too. Narwal is generally more focused on mopping though.

In the us I believe Amazon has sales events coming soon. In the 500-600 range, there is the dreame l40 ultra and the MOVA p10 pro ultra which punches way above their weight compared to other robots in this price range. Both work with an antitangle TriCut brush (which is often given with the robot now but it doesn’t hurt to check) which worked well with my long haired corgi. Do note that the dustbin on these models are rather small and can clog up with fur quickly and even the highest autoempty frequency doesn’t seem to be enough for the super shedders. There’s the dreame l40s ultra at like 700-800 if obstacle avoidance isn’t an issue (like pet “accidents” and cables) but will do much better with fur as it has an onboard fur compression feature which allows it to eat more fur without getting as easily clogged. However at the same price range there’s the eufy s1 (if carpet vacuuming isn’t a concern) and the eufy e25 that are great contenders (just ask eufy support to send the new dirty water tank to prevent leaking, they’ve generally been pretty proactive with this) If Narwal has a sale for their Freo Z ultra I’d check those out too. It’s much cheaper in Western Europe at €549 but is at $799 in the states. Buy these from reputable retailers with a good return policy in case you get a lemon. Amazon has a good 30 day return policy. I believe dreame has physical stores in the US that ship robots for free (often at a discounted price with free accessories) in the mainland US and there’s someone at the store to call if something goes wrong. I’d check Costco out too. They should also have good units and I think the price premium is worth the peace of mind since you can easily return if there’s a dud.

Compared to the Dreame l40 ultra?

Main difference is that the L40S Ultra CE lacks an RGB camera which isn’t helpful for obstacle avoidance and no hot water mop washing. I see the MOVA P10 Pro Ultra at 599 though. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DGR1VDTB/

What about the dreame l40 ultra or the MOVA p10 pro ultra? Should be in the same range which will do better than the eufy and the other vacuum focused models I’ve mentioned as they do not have a camera and a led fill light.

>I want **strong suction**, **good mopping**, **solid obstacle avoidance**, and **hands-free dock maintenance** MOVA's P50 Pro Ultra will have the best self-cleaning mop washboard. >Prefer something that’ll **last a few years** and not choke on socks or cords MOVA's P50 Pro Ultra and the Dreame L40 Ultra will have the best obstacle avoidance out of the robots you've listed. Ecovacs' obstacle avoidance is eh because of a not-so-good computer vision program, even though it has an RGB camera and structured light. Roborock's **QRevo Edge S5A** only has structured light, and robots with just structured light like to eat socks and cords (mine included). I do see that the tricut brush's performance gets worse on carpet when it comes to fur pickup. For edge mopping, it's actually Dreame's and MOVA's really aggressive edge cleaning algorithm that is the best at mopping closest to edges, right next to furniture, and under toe kicks. However, it doesn't have any springs, so it will ride up against quarter-round wall moldings. Roborock and Ecovacs shouldn't be placed against quarter-round wall moldings when the mop is extended. The corner cleaning is also the best because of the much better side brush extension algorithm from Dreame and MOVA. Roborock is more sheepish in deploying the side brush. User review of the P50 Pro Ultra: [https://www.reddit.com/r/RobotVacuums/comments/1kf3l8c/mova\_p50\_pro\_ultra\_1\_month\_ish\_review/](https://www.reddit.com/r/RobotVacuums/comments/1kf3l8c/mova_p50_pro_ultra_1_month_ish_review/)

Isn’t the MOVA P10 Pro Ultra above it and also cheaper? The Dreame L40 Ultra should also be 499-599.

The only difference is the lack of mop removal on the MOVA P10 Pro Ultra. It’s also cheaper to buy the dreame L40 Ultra at 438.99 with a free accessory kit and a TriCut brush if you order from their physical store which can deliver nationwide for free.

Is the dreame L40 Ultra and the MOVA P10 Pro Ultra no longer on sale?

Is it still at the 499-599 mark?

This will be the best midrange option then. It has the performance of a flagship model at 500 :)

They’re basically the same model but the dreame has mop removal and the MOVA doesn’t.

I’d recommend the Dreame l40 ultra and the MOVA p10 pro ultra at 400-450. Although they are vacuuming and mopping combo robots, they’re pretty good vacuum robots with great obstacle avoidance, chair legs and wires won’t be a concern. If it’s only chair legs that’s a concern, I’d check out the roborock q10 s5+ or if hair and fur shedding is a concern the dreame d20 plus/pro plus and the MOVA e30 pro plus which should be in the 200-400 range.

The L40 ultra is better suited as it’s the only one that can remove its mops when vacuuming and use the side brush on carpets.

I’d highly recommend the Dreame l40 ultra at 400. Delivers the same features as most flagships today. It supports up to 4 maps (if you want it to mop other levels, you can bring it back to the station to wash the mops or bring the base station up) and it can be used with an antitangle TriCut brush which worked well in my home with a long haired corgi. It’s 50 dollars on Dreame’s website but MOVA sells the same brush for 10 dollars on their website.

The L40 ultra cannot handle thresholds nearly as well as the Dreame L50 Ultra and the Dreame X50 Ultra. I’d also check out the MOVA V50.

I’d recommend the Dreame l40 ultra at 400. Unfortunately robots still aren’t 100% when it comes to pet “accidents” so please do check before you send your robot out.

The dreame L40 ultra is a better performing option at 399. It’s currently the best bang for buck robot vacuum. It should come with an all rubber brush which is generally tangle resistant but the ends will have hair wrapped around it. Thankfully the end caps are removable so you can easily remove them. I think it can also come with antitangle TriCut brush that does good with hair. If not, I recommend getting the compatible TriCut brush and the accompanying brush cover that stops hair from going to the ends of the brush.

Main difference is that the l40 ultra will be better suited for carpet as it can remove the mops and has the software update to use the side brush on carpets. Other than that, no unless you really want the L40 ultra’s onboard voice assistant.

If you have pets that shed a lot, the removed mops when just vacuuming prevent the issue of the lifted mops dragging fur. If you want the TriCut brush for free, MOVA’s website has generous membership points which can be used to redeem the TriCut brush selling for 10 dollars if you purchase the p10 pro ultra from them but it’s frequently sold out so people say it’s best to check their website from time to time.

> I am looking to invest in a robovacuum which will last atleast 5 years. These robots are very new so only time can tell how long these models last. The dreame L40 ultra is the best bang for buck robot right now as a last gen flagship. If the roborock QRevo edge and Curv (the original ones) were at the same price I’d recommend them too.

The l40 ultra ae will be the only one that will avoid obstacles well as it’s the only one with an RGB camera and a flashlight for obstacle avoidance.

Depends if you want the robot to vacuum or vacuum and mop. Most combo robots generally sacrifice vacuuming ability to accommodate the mop parts. Best budget vacuuming focused robot is the roborock q10 s5+ or the dreame d20 plus/pro plus in the 200-300 range if pet fur is more of a concern. The Dyson VisNav 360 can be considered if you want a robot that cleans as well as a cordless Dyson (yes, a Dyson is one of the best robot vacuums) but there are tradeoffs regarding its battery life and navigation (current owners say it has improved). I’d only consider the Dyson if it is less than half of its retail price. Do not get the Dyson Spot+Scrub unless you like to burn your money. Best bang for buck robot vacuum and mop combo is the dreame l40 ultra at 400 usd on amazon.

Both the roborock and dreame will do fine with long hair. If you value obstacle avoidance, the Dreame l40 ultra is a better bet at 400 usd.

I’d recommend the Dreame l40 ultra at 400 USD on Amazon and can add ramps in its app. Dreame support’s advice for ramps: > Install a ramp as the approved path for your robot to tackle steps (just make sure the angle is no more than 12°). Quick calculation for ramp (in inches) Given a=1.5 inches and ∠α=12°, b = 7.05695 in c = 7.2146 in ∠β = 78° = 1.36136 rad = 13/30π

I’d recommend the Dreame l40 ultra at 400 USD on Amazon and can add ramps in its app. Dreame support’s advice for ramps: Install a ramp as the approved path for your robot to tackle steps (just make sure the angle is no more than 12°). Quick calculation for ramp (in inches) Given a=1.5 inches and ∠α=12°, b = 7.05695 in c = 7.2146 in ∠β = 78° = 1.36136 rad = 13/30π

Lidar is generally used for navigation, not obstacle avoidance so do tidy up after any cables, slippers, towels, etc. that could trip up a robot before you send it on its way. If you’re technically skilled and want the robot to do well with obstacle avoidance as it has an RGB camera and work locally (nothing is sent to the cloud): I’d check out valetudo https://valetudo.cloud/pages/general/supported-robots.html Valetudo compatible models under 500 usd with good obstacle avoidance: The dreame l40 ultra, x40 ultra (price may vary), and the MOVA p10 pro ultra If you’d rather have it connected to the cloud with no RGB camera (in brands’ alphabetical order): Dreame’s L10S Ultra Gen 2 is at 399 MOVA’s E40 Ultra is at 379 The roborock QV 35 S at 469 (prices can vary when it’s Black Friday

I’d definitely check out the dreame l40 ultra or the MOVA p10 pro ultra at 400-450 on Amazon. I’d get the l40 ultra if you have a home that’s like 50/50 carpet as it can remove the mops for just vacuuming and use the side brush on carpets to help pick up more fur.

I would get these models from Amazon, run it as frequently as possible (cleaning the whole floor once a day and cleaning some rooms too in the same day) before the return period ends so you can catch any build quality issues and return them if it arises. It does seem that the complaints about the broken front wheel have recently decreased in quantity so it’s likely that they fixed it in their newer batches. Quality control is the brand’s responsibility and I’m not going to apologize nor defend their mistakes which I think shouldn’t have happened in the first place but them improving is a step in the right direction. If you want obstacle avoidance, the MOVA p10 pro ultra and the Dreame l40 ultra (also at the same price) have superior obstacle avoidance of the qrevo edge/curv. Unlike the qrevo edge which has an RGB camera, a flashlight and structured light to help with obstacle avoidance, the Edge S5A has no RGB camera and only structured light so do not expect the edge S5A to avoid things like cables, shoelaces, kid toys, and even people without at least bumping into them. I’d choose the dreame l40 ultra over the p10 pro ultra as it can use the side brush on carpets and remove its mops when it is vacuuming. MOVA did send me their V50 ultra and their z60 ultra roller for a review as part of their Reddit collaboration program.

The dreame l40 ultra is at 400. It’s currently the best bang for buck robot vacuum. It’s good practice to tap the dust out of the filter once every few cleaning runs and to give it a good rinse once in a while

I had a **Dreame L10s Plus** that suddenly stopped dispensing water. It could only be used for dry mopping. I tried to clean the nozzles, but that didn't help. The retailer told me to return it, which I did. Then I bought a **Dreame L10s Ultra Gen 2**, which left large amounts of water on the wooden floor. Water drops would be an understatement. I tried all the settings in this area, but it always leaked water. Deactivating Mop Extend didn't help either. Cleaning the mops was very noisy and drying them was unbearable. Again, the dealer told me to return the device. And then I made the mistake of buying a **DREAME L40 Ultra AE**. It made constant beeping noises while mopping and also left water stains on the wooden floor. Cleaning the mops was also noisy and drying them was again unbearable. I returned this one too. So, for me, the Dreame chapter is closed forever. My only luck in this odyssey was that I bought from a customer friendly seller.

Agreed. I had a Roomba top model since 2014. I recently got a Dreame L40. I cannot belive how far iRobot fell behind. I always stuck with them becaue I always had good response and customer service, but wow. What these newer ones can do is amazing.

I just got the L40 Ultra AE last week. Less than $1000 on Amazon. I'm tickled shitless with this machine. I've had nothing but Roombas since at least 2014, and I never realized how far behind that irobot has fell. The L40 Ultra AE is easily half the db's of the Roombas. The vacuum dump is unbelievablely quiet. This thing cleans very well, but unfortunately I only have a Roomba to compare it to. I can't believe how far these devices have come.

Agreed. L40 looks like a fantastic machine for the price. No bells n modern whistles. It just cleans well

I would push you towards either Roborock or dreame as they both have the best robots in the game and some of the best apps. I would also suggest you to consider using the mopping feature as a lot of new vacuums now are able to smart detect carpet and other things to keep your floors safe. IF you’re not using the mopping feature then it’s super easy to keep you probably under $1500 for three of them without even thinking about it. The other thing I’m going to suggest is keeping all three of them in one ecosystem so you can set up smart schedules through your app and let it handle almost everything. What I would do personally (if I had to buy 3) X1 [Dreame L40 Ultra AE](https://a.co/d/13v1INz) ($999 each): put this in your highest traffic area and you will be blown away by how clean your floors get. [Review](https://youtu.be/0tDHbOp-WjY?si=igaZKjPZlbNyogeJ). x2 [Dreame L40 Ultra](https://a.co/d/gHy9S4I) ($599 each). You could also just get three of these and be very happy. The L40 Ultra a phenomenal robot tha will do anything you could possibly think of asking it while also being able to handle tougher situations. [Review](https://youtu.be/51YlbWSDGDs?si=IoUXFZaR8w-rV58i). This is a steal at $599. Personally, I would just buy two of the L40 ultra AEs and put the Rooma in that unfinished space you were talking about. I would also consider two [Roborock S8 ultra maxes](https://a.co/d/5n5nCQq). I have the S7 ultra and I would die for it.

At least for home robots I don’t think there’s any available. Robovacs are being build with vacuuming and mopping in mind, this will only intensify in the future. First, I don’t believe you need a $1000 robot for mopping. Yes the Narwal is that expensive but there are a lot of other robots for cheaper that also do a good job with mopping. Sure roller/track mops are considered the best currently and they are still all really new, that’s why they are expensive, but I don’t think just because of that spinners done work. Spinners also do a good job, sure they have problems with west messes, but just scraping dirt is also possible with them. E.g. Dreame L40 Ultra AE has excellent mopping performance

L40 ultra is a great robot. Carpet will always be difficult but it will do its job, but don’t expect it to clean like a cord vacuum. You could also think about the L40 ultra **AE** version. Except for the extending side brush for vacuuming, it’s functionally the same. All L40 have great mopping and vacuum performance on hard floor.

L40 ultra is a great robot. Carpet will always be difficult but it will do its job, but don’t expect it to clean like a cord vacuum. You could also think about the L40 ultra **AE** version. Except for the extending side brush for vacuuming, it’s functionally the same. All L40 have great mopping and vacuum performance on hard floor.

The Dreame L40 Ultra AE is definitely a great piece. It has high end features but for a mid range price. The navigation/ obstacle avoidance is great with Dreame. Mopping will also be good.

u/amandainpdx Sorry to tag you, I'm sure you're swamped right now! I'm seeing some reviews that state the L40s AE may be a better value than the L40s due to the better obstacle avoidance. I understand that it lacks the extending brush, dual rollers, and magnetic mod pad holders at the dock. Given my use case, what are your thoughts on the L40s and L40s AE? Also, the AE is currently $679.99 (listed at $699.99 on your original post).

I'm really torn between the reported improved obstacle avoidance on the AE and the extendable brush head on the L40s.

I've had it for a week now, I use it every day, and it hasn't gotten stuck yet. I previously tried an Ecovacs Omni T50, and it got stuck several times.

Heb gisteren de Dreame L40 Ultra AE binnen gekregen. Werkt perfect! Had wel wat issues met verbinden met de wifi, maar na een aantal pogingen toch gelukt. Die borstel voor de hoekjes mis ik niet echt. De robot gaat strak langs de kant op. Mocht ik toch ergens nog wat zien liggen pak ik onze normale steelstofzuiger. Ook las ik veel dingen over lawaai, maar valt allemaal reuze mee.

Ja app werkt goed, veel mogelijkheden! Eerste dag wel even de tijd nodig gehad om alles te ontdekken haha.