P10 Ultra

I think my grasp of the word "Biased" is fine. > Two, getting the product for free does not inherently mean the review is biased. Even if subconsciously, it absolutely affects your ability to be objective. Even if a brand says "You can review it as honest as you'd like" there is still the underlying mutual agreement that if you trash our product we wont send you anymore. You can't get rid of that. > For you to sit there and recommend the recently and hotly debated Vacuum Wars > He has standardized testing methods, he catalogs the results, he uses scientific measuring equipment, and he absolutely calls out poor performance of any unit based on those results. Vacuum Wars does all that too so you're sounding a bit hypocritical at the moment. > really calls into question any opinion you might like to offer about which reviewers are worth watching. TO be clear, I didn't say Jamie Andrews is bad. I think he is a fine reviewer but he doesn't test enough robots to be a single source of information. OP asked for unbiased. There are only 2 channels that buy all their own robots and don't take free units or do sponsored reviews. Whether or not you like that is not up for debate. And it's Just a dad and Vacuum Wars

Again, I never said Jamie Andrews is bad. But if we're comparing two reviewers, one got their unit for free and one paid money for it, which would you say is more trust worthy? If we removed brand names and our personal biases from this question you would have no problem saying that the one that gets free units will have more bias, and I don't think you would hesitate to say that. And re: JaD - his reviews absolutely have a place in this space and if you watch enough testing videos and own enough of your own robots to compare to the testing scenarios, you know that scientific lab testing doesn't tell the whole picture. I have a perfect example. VacuumWars trashed the Mova p10 gen 2 because of how it performed on their object avoidance testing. If you took that test at face value you would think its a terrible vacuum. Then look at Just a Dads review of the Mova P10 Gen 2. He gave a great review because in practice, IN YOUR HOME, it just works and it works really well. I personally have the P10 Gen 2 and I couldn't disagree more with VW conclusions. Can it handle a testing room like VW object room with 30+ things to dodge? No. But does anyone's home actually look like that? Is that a realistic scenario the average user will find themselves in? Also no. In my home, and apparently JaDs, the gen 2 has been AWESOME. the gen 2 requires MUCH less baby sitting than the gen 1, despite the gen 1 having a camera and "better object avoidance scores" according to VW. So in my opinion, VW rigorous testing has value, but in this case it would cause you to miss on out one of the best value vacuums to come out so far this year. All "scientific testing" on robot vacuums needs to be taken with a grain of salt and the context needs to be considered. Asking your self "do I deal with this scenario in my home?" is a good way to cut through the noise.

I think the comparison to reviewers in other industries misses a key structural difference. There’s an unspoken understanding with these kind of deals even if not explicitly stated: if a brand sends you a product and you review it negatively, you’re probably not getting another unit from them. That doesn’t need to be stated outright. It’s just how access works. That matters a lot more in robot vacuums than in something like consumer tech media. In broader tech, creators like Gamers Nexus or Linus Tech Tips can spread their coverage across dozens of categories and hundreds of brands. If one company cuts them off, it’s basically irrelevant to their business. Robot vacuum reviewers don’t have that same flexibility. The category is small and highly concentrated there are only a handful of major manufacturers. 5 companies only if were being generous. If even one of those companies stops sending you units after a negative review, that has a real impact on your ability to consistently cover the space. On top of that, the economics are tighter. These channels are smaller, the view counts are lower, and the products themselves are expensive. Most creators in this niche can’t sustainably buy every unit themselves and still run a profitable channel. The few that can like Vacuum War and Just a dad are exceptions because of their scale. So while I agree that accepting review units doesn’t automatically invalidate someone’s opinions, the pressure dynamics here are different. In a small, concentrated category like this, losing access to even one major brand isn’t a minor inconvenience it would materially limit what a reviewer is able to cover and their channel revenue Also side note, but watch LTTs narwal flow review and tell me its not biased lol

I would assume so, these things are on sale constantly even when its not a holiday. P10 was $450 on prime day and then it was $500 for like a month after for no reason. On sale, its the best bang for your buck there is so id get that when it drops again

It has multi level mapping. You can map multiple floors with it. You just carry it up when you want it to clean that floor. But it’s cheap enough you could get 2 on sale if you wanted lol. Goes regularly around the $450 mark and there are plenty of $1000+ vacuums that the P10 outperforms

The Mova P10 pro ultra $450 has a 3 year warranty vs Dreames 2 year warranty. Both good, but I lean P10 if the price is the same as it often is

[Walmart does sell Mova.](https://www.walmart.com/ip/Mova-Robot-Vacuum-Mop-8-300Pa-Suction-140-F-Hot-Water-Auto-Washing-Drying-Dual-Spinning-Extenable-Clean-10-5mm-Lifting-Carpet-360-Obstacle-Avoidance/16307411821?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=102786031&selectedOfferId=3A96E7CF6F3B3EDD8C30077F54CBEFC6&conditionGroupCode=1) I don’t understand the appeal of detaching mop pads when vacuum then mop exists.

I disagree with that advice personally. I have Mova p10 and it goes under my toe kicks. You don’t need a $1600 vacuum for this. The saros 10 is outdated anyways now Got the Gen 2 and if also cleans under my toe kicks. The LiDAR tower height is not even an issue on my toe kicks,

Not sure what deals are better than the p10 at $450. Best value in robots

More than "worth it" its the best value robot you can get in this whole industry