MOVA - P50 Pro Ultra

I had the Mova P50 Pro Ultra for a bit, but ended up returning it, because my girlfriend didn't like the fact that it was a second hand appliance :D Other than that, it was brilliant, and we had no issues with it whatsoever. \~650 EUR for it is a good deal.

Yes, the front wheel seems to be unreliable on the USA models (from what I could tell). Ours was fine, but we’re in Europe.

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Infact, robots worth the investment under $700 are rare, as I explain in [this post.](https://www.whatrobotvacuumshouldiget.com/2025/06/20/are-budget-robot-vacuums-worth-buying/) So these robots should be viewed as tech toys you're playing around with, rather than cleaning tools that will make your life easier. Buy whatever strikes your fancy, it's unlikely to be useful as a robovac, but might be a worthy cat toy. # Best vacuum under $300 People just don't talk about the Switchbots enough in here, and I wish I knew why. Aside from having a kick ass brand identity (chonky robots that bridge a technology gap for people), they are affordable and work better than most tech products out there. I'm a huge fan of their smart home sensors and the SwitchBot button. When I got the [K10+](https://lifehacker.com/tech/switchbot-k10-plus-robot-vacuum-review) to test about 18 months ago, I was just tickled. First, it's tiny. It's like an M&M roaming your floor. 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It weighs like 50lbs, and there is nothing notable about the robot itself. it looks like a generic robovac. I was so blown away by the performance, I haven't shut up about it since. In the history of my testing, i have kept 3 robovacs, and this is one of them. I just place new robots I'm testing in front of it, because I'm not moving that Gdamn tower for anything, it lives there now. Theres the design: these 2 forward sweeps rotate inward, and have constant downward pressure on the floor. They're huge, and very effective. The roller doesn't get clogged. Let me repeat. I let it vacuum up dog toy floof. Mulch. Receipts. NOTHING deterred this robot. And the mop was very effective, too. Was it the best mop I've tested? No. But it ranks up there. And the water cleaning actually works, I know because for a week, we had it mop up anything we could think of. Vinegar. Black dye water. Maple syrup. Tomato juice. And not only was the resulting clean water tank crystal clear, I used PH strips to test it, and it remained stable. It just metabolized anything we ran it over. It's been a few months and I've never had to refill the water, not once. It's finally an autonomous robot, and for that, it'd be worth it at $1899. But for $1139, I don't need to think about whether its better to spend less on a high end Roborock, the 3i is cheaper. |3i S10 Ultra|$1899.99|$1139.99 w code: S10USAVE5|40%|[https://amzn.to/3GsRZlm](https://amzn.to/3GsRZlm)| |:-|:-|:-|:-|:-| # Best vacuum if you have no budget Embargo'd til 7/7 # Best vacuum if you have thresholds The good news, since many of you are trying to decide between the Saros 10/10r and the Dreame X50 Ultra, is that I can make it easy. Get the Dreame X50. You won't like the reason I recommend it, though. It's simple: the Roborock Saros 10 is not, for reasons I don't get, on Prime Day special, only the 10R is. While the 10 and 10r are [supposed](https://lifehacker.com/tech/roborock-saros-10-vs-saros-10r-robot-vacuum-comparison) to have very similar builds with a lifting chassis, they don't act like it. The 10 is a better robot than the X50, so if you can afford it, buy it. If not, the X50 is a fine robot. Genuinely. And I never got tired of watching it yeet itself over thresholds and steps. The AI onboard helped the robot get better over time at navigation, and if anything, my only complaint is that it had to return to dock all the time to top up or recharge, so cleaning a whole house took a long time to get done. 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But, if you absolutely, totally insist, (and the Switchbot K10+ tower isn't small enough for you, because that sucker will fit anywhere), I very reluctantly offer the Roborock Q10 S5. I hated the Dyson 360Visnav, and the iRobot Roomba 205 was a total flop. Roborock's budget line may not have the greatest quality build but atleast they work most of the time. |Roborock Q10 S5+|$549.99|351.99|36%|[https://amzn.to/44cLbS9](https://amzn.to/44cLbS9)| |:-|:-|:-|:-|:-| # Best vacuum if you have small kids Embargo'd til 7/7 # Best all around vacuum Embargo'd til 7/7

That's good information. You know in a lot of my reviews I break down the stuff that I wasn't thrilled with into what can be improved and what can't. For instance, hardware can't be improved but software like behavior definitely could be through future updates. Overall the build of the mova really concerned me. It wasn't just that everyone has the same exact problem with the broken wheel and mova pretends like it's a new problem every single time... Like they've just never had anybody else complain about the broken wheel before. It was also that the machine wasn't putting enough downward pressure on the mop or the roller. And I think that's cuz it's just a cheap build. I extended those arms. As far as the software allowed, there were two different places where you could set that up. And yet it just still didn't get in there as much as I wanted it to. But I'm thrilled you're having a better experience and I love that you have a 3-year warranty.

I'm very very rarely pull that Card out of my pocket. It feels gross when I do like unprofessional and even mildly abusive. I will tell you though that last summer I tested smart grills. There were like six of them on my back patio for a few months and then at the end of that. I end up giving most of them away. One of the grills went to some friends and I find out a month later that the entire front interface burned out. And keep in mind it's only a few months old and even though I didn't pay for it, it's a very expensive and large grill. And I don't want it to go into a landfill and it's completely inoperable. So I call the company and they tell me they're going to send the part out. Over the next 7 months, I would have to call back four or five times and each time somebody there insisted they had no idea why this had happened and they were putting it in the mail immediat by the fourth phone call, I pulled the card. By then the review was out and it was really very simple. Don't send me a new grill, which is what they wanted to do, I'm just trying to keep this grill out of the landfill. The part exists, just ship me the damn part. Eventually, no less than the vice president of the company calls me and promises to ship it out and it still took 3 weeks. I did a similar thing with a pool bot for which there was no support, that had stopped communicating with me... And I think I also pulled that on a Ecovacs lawnmower. All similar circumstances. Last week I gave away two different robovacs that I had to give a disclosure. Likely would never work. The mova with the broken wheel, and my eufy e25 That had a completely effed battery and the company didn't want back. It was 2 weeks old. Mostly I just get really annoyed when I have gone to the trouble of unboxing something and then setting it up and making a million phone calls and having to diagnose the problem and end up with a product that I can never get to work and have to box the thing back up and ship it back to the company.

Just a quick note, that wheel issue is DEF not resolved in the P50. I had 2 break within a few weeks of one another just last month.

The J15 Ultra, with the razor cutters on the roller, is still the right vacuum. Buy it off the Eureka site, where its $550, if you can comfortably stretch. Don't get the Mova. The Dreame L40 Ultra is very good and would be a GREAT buy-remember reviewers bought it at 3x the price and like me, were reviewing it as a premium robot against other premium robots. For under $500? No brainer, its fantastic. Does that make sense? I think you have 2 great options. the L40 ultra or the J15 Ultra (through the Eureka website).

no. I didn't like it much, even beyond the wheel issue. But also, I don't think they've resolved the wheel issue:) Do you NEED a new robot?

i really did not like the p50.

I am glad you are happy with yours. Your review was one of the reasons I bought the P50. Sadly, it hasn’t been as great for me. It looses WiFi, the app needs me to interrupt cleaning for any minor change to my map, and it doesn’t resume after charging. It has a lot of pros but these are enough of deal breakers for me.

Your last sentence made me wonder... if I "interrupt" cleaning, mine doesn't remember what it has already cleaned so it doesn't "resume" for me. Mine doesn't resume after itself going to charge. Mostly appearing offline despite wifi map showing strong... All sound like firmware issues. I will try a reset or something and might have it working too (fingers crossed). Thanks for writing back.

I did get the P50. I am not very sure how I feel still. I am not super happy with the app; not comparing with any other but just not what I want it to be. Making any change like trying to ignore an obstacle or adding a no go zone or furniture, requires “terminating” the ongoing cleaning. This results in it forgetting the cleaning that it has already done. I have mixed feelings about its smartness. I like that it detects cables and “fabric” on the floor and avoids them. However, I am not happy that it detects “bases” and “obstacles” like a trash can which it then avoids; I would like those places cleaned. It allows you to ignore the obstacles but then it won’t detect other things in that vicinity which I cannot afford to let. Additionally, the kids store their toys in semi-transparent bins. It detects them and avoids the bins; I am not happy about this but I can understand the complication. Another aspect I am not a fan of is that despite configuring an order for the rooms to be cleaned, it is not honored. The older less-smart robovacs were braver. I feel the P50 (or maybe all smarter ones) are too cautious with their approach. On the plus side, I love how close it gets to the walls and furniture feet. I like being able to use it as a security device. I like that in Turbo it is quieter than my previous robovacs. I haven’t formed an opinion yet about the carpet cleaning. The air the blows from it is substantially stronger than my previous devices which I think tells me it has more airflow. Not sure how that translates to cleaning yet. There have been some bad hiccups over the 4 runs it has had. Once, it left a mop pad on the ramp and then tried to push itself forcefully in. Another time the front wheel started making weird sounds. I know the wheel is known to break on the US models but after some rest, the sound vanished. I will post a review after a few weeks of use.

Btw, sorry for the bad formatting. Somehow it looses line breaks on the phone. Another problem i have is that despite having excellent WiFi coverage all over the house, it often shows up offline. That alone is a reason to return for me.

I typically hate JustADad's reviews because he never seems to know what he's doing and never keeps things a 1:1 comparison, but his review of the E28 shows it being terrible on carpets. Other reviews mention it's not great at vacuuming either. After my X10 with AI avoidance ran over poop, I wouldn't trust it on that front either. I went with the Mova P50 Ultra Pro and it'll be here today since I need something that vacuums better first, mops better second. My X10 was sufficient mopping for me, so I'm sure this will be even better in that regard.

I had my X10 for a little over a year and overall I was alright with it, but I did notice the issues you mentioned. The software, specifically, is trash and remained trash up until it died. From firmware breaking mopping usage to maps "magically" expanding zones on its own, while failing to go to a previously occupied spot after the obstacle was removed (ex. left a laundry basket on the floor when it mapped, moved the basket and it would "see" that it was no longer there, but never actually vacuum that space.) The room dividing was equally useless and it never let me actually divide what I needed to. The amount of times I had to re-create my whole schedule because I had to merge and try dividing a room is impossible to keep track of. The mopping was ok when the firmware didn't completely cripple the water output. I went to the Mova P50 Pro Ultra and it's a night and day difference. Vacuuming leaves my floors spotless (while running on standard suction bs constant turbo on the X10) and mopping actually applies an even coating of water while settings allow the robot to not only slow down but perform even tighter lines than the X10 did on deep. The app is fantastic, and it mapped my house almost perfectly the very first time and even called rooms by their proper names and added furniture. The room it did combine incorrectly, I was able to divide without issue, unlike the X10. Basically, at the time the X10 was good. Seeing how good the P50 is though, for about the same price, there's zero reason to go with the X10.

I got the P50 Pro Ultra, which they said doesn't do a good job vacuuming and I don't understand how. House is spotless every morning I wake up, even in corners. Carpet has nothing on it either. I've thrown coffee grounds and cereal down and had it so one pass even over some grout lines and there isn't a single piece left, so that's proof enough for me that their "test results" don't translate.

We have the Mova P50 Ultra (Germany) and so far I've been extremely impressed with it's ability to recognise carpets on our laminate floor, we've had 0 instances of wet carpets yet.

I also bought the same one a month ago, what is this problem with the wheel youre mentioning? I think i hear like a dragging sound or something mechanical now, and im not sure if i heard it before, other than that, the robot is outstanding!

I have a Saros 10 downstairs and a P50 upstairs. The Saros 10 is double the price and I can't see any difference after they clean. Both are very good.

It's not the best all around if the X50 is better... Also not the best value because the P10 Pro Ultra is still better

The only difference is that the Mova can't detach the mop pads automatically for carpet cleaning.

It could be as you say considering my experience with p50 and z50 but I wonder why they are the only ones with 3 years warranty

Worth noting that the p50 also uses hot water jets at the dock to clean the mop pads rather than nubs like the p10 (which gets dirty/smelly and need to be cleaned more frequently)

I honestly think this is true and most people should get the p10 pro ultra. The only reason I ended up with the p50 was because the p10 was out of stock.

I have an Eufy E25 and a Mova P50 Ultra, which is almost identical to the Dreame X40 Ultra. I got them through Amazon Vine and I've used them for several weeks Both have very good apps and a good vacuum and mop performance. The Eufy has a roller mop while the Dreamy has mop pads. Main issues: \- the Eufy is small and fast. It can go into tighter spaces. But it has issues climbing on high carpets (>2cm) \- the Eufy mop drying - which lasts for several hours - is quite noisy. I need to time the schedules so that the drying is finished before I get home \- the Mova/Dreame uses much more water than my other robots, mainly for the mop cleaning. I need to add water every week (70m2 floor cleaned twice a week). \- both have a dust bag in the station, which is inconvenient. I very much prefer a solid dust container (my Shark has one) So far, I prefer the Mova/Dreame.

I have both the Eufy E25 and the Mova P50 Ultra, which is almost identical to the Dream X40 Ultra. I received them through Amazon Vine, so I didn't get to order those robots models among a large choice. I prefer the Mova/Dreame, because: \- the Eufy is compact, but it has problems climbing on carpets which are 2cm high. I can't use it in my living room for that reason. \- the drying of the mop in the Eufy is much louder, I need to schedule my cleaning so that the drying (3 hours) is over when I arrive home, otherwise there is this constant quite loud humming of the fan The two robots have different mopping systems (Eufy = roll, Mova/Dreame = 2 rotating pads), but I think the cleaning result is very similar. My floors are never very dirty, so I can't really see a difference. The disadvantages of the Mova/Dreame are that it uses a lot of water for cleaning the mops, so it must be refilled every couple of days. And carpets can only be placed on the map in parallel with walls, not freely. I want my robot to clean the floor and carpets in separate schedules, but it's impossible to do with the Mova, because I can't mark the exact place of the carpet on the map in my oddly shaped living room. The apps of both robots are quite good (apart from that carpet mapping problem with the Mova) and the connectivity is reliable.

I currently own the Roborock Qrevo Master and am considering replacing it with the Mova P50 Pro Ultra since it’s so cheap right now. It seems Mova has resolved the wheel issue and are shipping new units with updated wheels. Am I better off with the Qrevo Master or is it worth trying the P50 Pro Ultra?

I just purchased the P50 Pro Ultra and I love mine.  Obstacle avoidance is better than the roborock I had. It even recognized a grey cord laying across our grey floor and marked it.  That surprised me.  The dock works fine, no water errors, etc. no broken wheel. The only thing I have seen is for some reason the dock light stopped turning red for an error.  I take the water tank out, it runs dry, etc and I instantly get a notification on my phone but the light doesn't change from white. I don't know if it even matters if I still get the announcement but I contacted support just to let them know in case there was a glitch and they actually got back to me in about 6 hrs. They offered me a replacements and apologized.  I decided to keep it since everything works perfect except the dock light.  But so far very impressed. Just my 2 cents😁

It's weird it doesn't work. It did for a few hours then stopped but everything else works perfect. The manual says there is supposed to be one. It bothered me at first but since I am getting alerts from the app as long as everything works, besides the light,  then I'm good. I got one with a good wheel, no problem with the dock leaking, mopping is great.  Especially at this price point. If anything comes of the dock light I will follow up.

Yeah, mine never came on and there were a couple other quirks so I sent it back and got another and this one so far is perfect. The red light works, it detects grey cords on grey floors, and cleans up after our 3 dogs really well. I have owned Shark(briefly) and have owned roborocks for the last 4 years and thought I would always stay with roborock but this P50 Ultra jas really won me over.

Ordered the MOVA P50 Pro Ultra Robot this weekend for $699. MOVAs website was cheaper than Amazon sale.

Not sure what the Mova P50 is going for where you are but I'm very happy with ours

My p50 can auto remove pads like the L40

I landed on the Mova p50 and it seems excellent in this regard. I also prefer the app, although it's basically the same as Dreame but with a nicer skin

I tried the eufy e28 (way too loud) and the L40 and now I have the mova p50. L40 was ok. Didn't detect my rugs properly and was pretty good on object avoidance but the reason I returned it was because it was always leaving water on the bottom of the base station. Gross water that I'm sure would start smelling over time. The base station or the P50 drains and has always stayed clean. For pnject avoidance, in my experience, it's much better than the L40 and it detects ALL my rugs properly. From what I'm reading on vacuum wars, the ecovacs are good at cleaning but worse than the L40 at object avoidance. We aren't necessarily cleaning up the floors before the vacuum runs everyday and the cats sometimes knock something down like a string that dangles and I don't need my vacuum eating half of it and tearing the house down around it :) I'm so happy with the P50, I bought a second for our top floor I should also add that the L40 is newer than the X40 and I've heard that it's better in some respects. The P50 appears to be between the L40 and the X50.

The x40 is older. I'm not aware of any advantages. I do not find the p50 very loud at all. I have not owned the x40, however. I got mine on Amazon so if it wasn't good, I could return it

I had the P50 Pro Ultra. Returned it for the same reason. Carpet performance was gawd awful. Couldn't even pick up a piece of string or sock lint, even with 6 passes and highest suction. The mopping was really good for me.

I’ve gotten messages from companies on here as well. I used YouTube to help me make a final decision. I thought I was going to like the MOVA P50 Ultra Pro but honestly…. My dreame x50 out performs it We have 6 dogs and for some REASON it’s been one helluva rainy summer here in Georgia. And the dreame is doing a muuuuuch better job at mopping and getting all the nasty dog hair in corners.

Out of the two Dreame models you asked about, I'd go with the X50 if its superior vacuuming and fur cleaning you're looking for. It will have duo brushes to agitate and pick up better when vacuuming and better overall suction to pick up more debris on a single pass through. X40 isn't a bad machine at all, but for medium carpets with dog fur shedding, I'd go X50 and be happy with the purchase the first time around rather than wishing I had went with the other model. The Mova will be similar in terms of build to the X40 so I wouldn't go that route, plus they get you 3 years of warranty versus 5 yrs on the Dreame. Roborock will be the next best one when comparing it to the X50, they'll have similar sensors for objects and quality of life features such as voice control and self cleaning, the Roborock just costs a bit more but will be similar overall, so if it were me choosing between the 4 models, X50 is an easy choice. Hope this helps, Happy Hunting!

I’d go P50 pro ultra it’s a really good machine. I wasn’t impressed with the e28 and returned it.

The dirty water tank looks like the one I have in my Mova p50 pro ultra. So I would guess something like that.

I went with the mova p50 pro ultra. Got it yesterday and did one vacuum and mopping run. Pretty happy with it! It has lidar and a light. It has a haircutting thingy. It's not overly loud, I use it also at night and it wasn't intrusive. You can also put the drying of the mops on silent.  Mopping was impressive, the dirty water was embarrassingly dirty lol

I agree. I have hair just above the shoulders and it would get very stuck on my roborock s7. Ive recently upgraded to Mova p50 pro ultra and after running it for a week I see no hair on the brush and a lot is getting in the bag in the basestation.

I went with the mova p50 pro ultra and I think it fulfills your requirements. Mapping was a breeze and it its very good at object recognition. My previous robot always moved the cat bowls, this one precisely manouvers around them. It has lidar and a camera. Where mopping is concerned I sometimes get embarrased by the waste water it collects... I swear we are not slobs! We have a light tile flour and it looks and feels very clean. And dock and robot are white. Dock does have a light silver panel up front.

I am prettily happy with the mova p50 pro ultra most often priced at 750 euro. You can buy it at coolblue among other shops.

Its mapping function and object avoidanance is very good btw

can confirm, my front wheel split and separated after 35 days. it breaks in nearly the same spot for everyone who gets a bad batch unit.

Idk why this response didnt go to the thread i was replying to,l for Mova p50 Pro Ultra. After running it for a little more than a month now, it's still running like a champ!

Again, idk why this response didnt go to the thread i was replying to,l for Mova p50 Pro UltraStills runs like a champ! Both vacuuming and mopping!

I love the Mova P50 Pro Ultra! The only problem I have is the small castor wheel in the front broke on its own within 2 weeks of daily use (sometimes used twice daily since i have multiple kids, 3 medium hair dogs that shed a lot, ceramic tile, with large persian style rugs, carpets). According to MOVA (and several Amazon comments) it is a common issue, so they had me ship it back to get the entire unit replaced, free of charge with a better wheel. MOVA customer support has been great this entire process! Giving it a 2nd chance soon as I get it!

Congrats! I'm waiting on mine to return this week after getting the wheel replaced. They told me only select units had "the bad wheel." I love the P50 Ultra Pro, which I also bought the extended warranty for as well lol!

Hello, I've spend way to much time on researching the market. I'm really looking forward to finally pick my first ever robot vacuum. I've decided that it will be either of these: * **760$** Dreame L40 Ultra * **830$** Mova P50 Pro Ultra * **910$** Ecovacs T80 (but I heard that their object avoidance is rather poor) * **930$** Dreame X40 Ultra Complete X40 Ultra Complete is on sale here (Poland). Which one would you choose, given these prices? Is it worth paying for accessories in the Complete version of the X40? Please help me free up my time, because I'm getting really sick of it :D UPDATE: I decided to go with Mova P50 Pro Ultra. Even though I can't compare it with the other robots, I'll come back to leave a review after a while.

Thanks for yet another vote for P50! I’ll go with that robot

Yes, I decided to give ~~Mova~~ P50 a try as it was over 100$ cheaper (including TriCut brush) than Dreame. So far it’s been really nice. Perhaps I had too big expectations after spending countless hours on reading, but at the beginning when it missed a spot or didn’t mop properly I was worried 😆 But quickly found out that if the floor is more dirty, you can just run 2 or 3 cycles of mopping instead of 1 (fun fact: on the second run it goes perpendicular to the first one). I didn’t have any robot vacuum before, so the best part for me is that I can actually feel that the house is cleaner and that I don’t have to be careful “because it’s been just mopped” etc. Edit: Sorry, I thought you commented on the main thread, but you replied to my comment about P10 vs P50. I've chosen P50 Pro Ultra, because I've seen quite a few reviews in which obstacle avoidance on P10 didn't look all that great. On top of that leaving mop pads seemed like a good feature and TriCut brush already installed was also a nice bonus.

Yes, I think the P50 Pro Ultra is currently the best bang for the buck option if it is available, especially for the AceClean dry dock where the X50 Ultra and the MOVA V50 Ultra are priced at USD 1309 (preorder) to USD 1699(retail) range. It cleans itself much better and cleans mops more thoroughly, too, which I think justifies it. It’s also much easier to clean; just remove the palm-sized drainage filter and rinse it, and if needed, wipe the drainage area with a Clorox wipe. For pet litter, I’m pretty sure Dreame MOVA’s “large suction for large particles” function (which needs to be turned on in the app) and the ability to put relevant pet items in the robot’s app, like its bed or litter box, where it’ll increase suction and reduce the mop moisture for pets with sensitive skin when pet care mode is turned on, means it’ll be better suited to cleaning litter.

MOVA P50 Pro Ultra is currently the best bang for buck in your budget.

It seems the wheel issue was localized to the NA market and was solved.

The MOVA P10 Pro Ultra will be the best for this as it is at 899 CAD and has the same performance as the Dreame L40 Ultra without mop removal. You can ask it to vacuum carpets first. The MOVA P50 Pro Ultra at 1149 CAD will be even better at carpet cleaning and keeping the mop pad cleaning tray cleaner and can remove mops. I referred to Amazon CA for prices~

It seems to be so. It’ll be worse on the S5X model. There is the MOVA P50 Pro Ultra for €749 and that could be worth checking out.

Definitely the P50 Pro Ultra

If in the US, the L40 Ultra is much cheaper at 399 USD (if ordering from the physical Dreame store) and the P50 Pro Ultra at 799 USD. The P50 Pro Ultra will have better base station self cleaning and better carpet cleaning. Here’s a comparative review of the two: https://youtu.be/LNJ6yK5c2Wc Both the dreame and MOVA will have better navigation and obstacle avoidance than the Ecovacs T50 Pro since the Ecovacs has no led fill light for avoiding things in the dark and the lidar’s field of vision is reduced from 360° for a lidar tower to about 120°. The MOVA P50 Pro Ultra will have the best base station self cleaning. Both the dreame and MOVA have a bigger onboard dustbin at 300ml over ecovacs’ 260ml which means less trips to the autoempty station, especially helpful for pet owners. The ecovacs is also unable to lift its side brush and main brush which means: if mopping up a wet spill it’ll smear liquid around and if just mopping in general the dirty brushes will eventually overlap with the mopping path and make mud in the brush compartment. A lot of other robots like the dreame and MOVA can lift the side brush and main brush which is recommended.

Dreame will have the best obstacle avoidance out of all of these three brands. Its subbrand MOVA sells the P10 Pro Ultra which is nearly identical to the L40 Ultra and discounts bring it to 499-599. The P50 Pro Ultra is like the L40 Ultra but with the X50’s better self cleaning mop tray.

The MOVA P50 Pro Ultra will be miles better than the Roborock QRevo master at self-cleaning the mop washboard and at anti-tangling with its main TriCut and lifting side brush. It will also be better at preventing moisture from entering the vacuum compartment as it can lift its main and side brush, which will mean less maintenance and cleaning needed in the long run. I think you should run it on the CleanGenius or regular vacuum first and mop mode. If not, moisture from the mops will enter the vacuuming compartment and make mud that is annoying to clean. If running it on the regular vacuuming first before mopping mode, set the mop clean settings to the deepest cleaning setting and set it to clean its mops at the highest possible frequency (either by room or once every 10sqm). Since you mentioned having shedding pets, do set the auto-empty frequency to be as often as possible. The Roborock also lacks a good side brush and mop extension algorithm as good as Dreame's, but the spring on the extended mop is less stiff, making it more suitable for quarter-rounded floor moldings. Regardless of the model, you must tap out the filter once every few cleaning tasks, but after each cleaning task with the first few times with your robot. As far as I am aware, only the X50 Ultra has the filter self-cleaning capability, where air from the base station blows away any dust stuck in the filter. Il MOVA P50 Pro Ultra sarà decisamente migliore del Roborock QRevo master nell'autopulizia della lavasciuga e nell'anti-groviglio, grazie alla spazzola principale TriCut e a quella laterale che si solleva. Sarà anche migliore nell'impedire all'umidità di entrare nello scomparto dell'aspirapolvere, perché può sollevare la spazzola principale e quella laterale, il che significa meno manutenzione e pulizia a lungo termine. Ti consiglio di farlo funzionare prima in modalità CleanGenius o aspirapolvere normale, e poi in modalità lavaggio. Altrimenti, l'umidità dei moci entrerà nello scomparto dell'aspirapolvere e formerà del fango difficile da pulire. Se lo fai funzionare prima in modalità aspirapolvere normale e poi in modalità lavaggio, imposta le impostazioni di pulizia del mocio sul livello più profondo e imposta la pulizia dei moci alla massima frequenza possibile (per stanza o ogni 10 mq). Visto che hai detto che hai animali domestici che perdono pelo, imposta la frequenza di svuotamento automatico il più spesso possibile. Al Roborock manca anche un buon algoritmo per la spazzola laterale e l'estensione del mocio come quello di Dreame, ma la molla del mocio esteso è meno rigida, il che lo rende più adatto ai battiscopa arrotondati. Indipendentemente dal modello, è necessario battere il filtro ogni tot pulizie, ma dopo ogni pulizia le prime volte che si usa il robot. Per quanto ne so, solo l'X50 Ultra ha la capacità di autopulizia del filtro, in cui l'aria della stazione base soffia via la polvere incastrata nel filtro.

This is definitely not exclusive on the ecovacs X9 pro omni. Ecovacs is late to this feature. Models that can do this well: Dreame’s L/X40 Ultra and newer (assuming there’s an RGB camera), Narwal Freo Z Ultra; Roborock Saros series and CurvX, MOVA P10 Pro Ultra, P50 Pro Ultra, Z50 Ultra, V50 Ultra

For the floor with *just hard floors*, get the Eufy S1 Pro. For the floor with a decent amount of rugs, the MOVA P50 Pro Ultra (899) is essentially a souped up X40 Ultra!!!

Out of all the models, the MOVA P50 Pro Ultra will have the best mop washboard self cleaning which greatly cuts down on the frequency of cleaning it compared to the other models. For roborock models, I prefer the roborock qrevo’s removable mop tray which isn’t present on the models with vibrating mops.

The AceClean mop washboard on the p50 pro ultra is much better than the L40’s self cleaning mop washboard with wipers. If you’re okay with having the one with wipers I’d say it’s worth it.

If pet poop and wires aren’t an issue, the MOVA P50 Ultra at 1999 AUD will be the best value buy. It’s basically the MOVA P50 Pro Ultra without an RGB camera. The Dreame L40S Ultra is also at the same price and will be better for pet fur as it can compress the fur in the dust bin as it vacuums and comes with a detangling brush whereas the P50 needs a TriCut brush to be anti-tangling.

Dreame and MOVA will be much better at avoiding cords than roborock. Both Dreame and roborock will definitely avoid pet puke. I’m not so sure about eufy but their cord avoidance should be alright. For pet fur, I’d prioritize the dreame X50 Ultra or the MOVA V50 Ultra (999 debut price if you sign up to their mailing list) since it has a rather large dustbin at 395mL and has a fur compression feature that works so the dustbin won’t get as easily clogged with fur and also have empty space at the sides (see the attached photo). This seems to be an issue with the dustbin on the dreame/MOVA models using the X40’s dustbin like the MOVA P50 Pro Ultra and the Roborock QRevo models. https://preview.redd.it/7c1epilq82af1.png?width=1346&format=png&auto=webp&s=d15280bdd75310e1d87e2557a9f350b20c85b02d As for fur tangling around the rollers, I wouldn’t worry about this issue for the dreame/eufy/roborock/MOVA models you’ve shown. Do note that any cuts in the rubber flaps on the antitangle brushes will mean the antitangle ability is deactivated and you’d have to change the brushes.

As for hair pickup on carpet, I think the Dreame dual brushes generally do better picking up hair on carpet than the Dreame/MOVA TriCut brush on the P50 Pro ultra. Dreame/Eufy/MOVA/Roborock’s antitangle brushes that don’t need to cut the fur should all do equally well picking up fur and hair on carpets and hard floors. I’d recommend a robot that removes its mops for carpet as I find that lifted mops on carpets generally drag on it, collecting fur and dirt while negatively affect cleaning performance. As for mopping, ecovacs’ X8 isn’t really worth looking at given the other models already available (not in the US yet) that mop much better than it. Eufy’s E25/E28 should do better as a roller mop robot. For the spinning mop robots, MOVA’s V50 Ultra and the roborock flagships should be pretty evenly matched. X50 ultra doesn’t put enough water even at the max level which isn’t great for dried on stains.

For dreame/mova models: V50 ultra complete > l40s pro ultra > p50 pro ultra > x40ultra

Mainly the p50 has this in the NA market. Oh no what’s happening with your V50? maybe u/Your_MOVA_Guru can help

For a robot that mops, only the MOVA p50 pro ultra is going to be decent with spinning mops (well suited for relatively clean homes) that can wash themselves at their base station. The other robots are best suited for just vacuuming.

If it’s all hard floors, I’d keep the Z50 ultra for its much better mopping. The main selling point of the P50 is that it’s an x40 ultra with the JetSpray dryboard.

1. Anything that moves can break. So I suggest buying from a retailer with a good return policy + a good protection plan. 2. For base station cleaning: Dreame (some models), eufy, Narwal, roborock, and Xiaomi have completely removable mop washboards. I’m not a fan of the wiper driven mop washboards on the Dreame X/L30 and X/L40 ultra and the MOVA P10 Ultra/Pro Ultra simply because there’s too many nook and crannies to clean. However their new aceclean dryboard on the L/V/X50 Ultra and newer is much easier to clean even when only the filter is removable since there’s no nooks and crannies for dirt to hide in and dirt only really collects under the removable filter which is easily removed with a wet wipe or a Clorox wipe. I’d avoid bagless base stations. Spinning mop combo robots are less maintenance than roller mop robots.

1. It really depends on your purchasing region. Costco is a popular choice given its generous return policy but choices are rather limited compared to buying from Amazon which has an easy return policy within 30 days. For other purchasing regions, buying from a reputable retailer with a good return policy and an optional protection plan would be good. In Australia, I heard Harvey Norman is nicer with returns compared to JB HIFI. 2. The robots with the best self cleaning will be Dreame’s L/X50 Ultra/L40S Ultra/Pro Ultra and MOVA’s V50 Ultra P50S Ultra > MOVA’s P50 Ultra/ Pro Ultra > Roborock’s models that have spinning mops with the Multifunctional Dock 3.0 (roborock models with a vibrating mop have a washboard that is more difficult to clean as you can’t remove it) ≈ Narwal Freo models (completely detachable base) > Dreame’s models with the mop-driven wiper mop washboard (cleaning the wiper washboard is rather difficult since there’s too many nooks and crannies and you’d still have to get down to clean the areas the wipers can’t reach) > other combo robots with an all in one base station As for combo robots with roller mops and have an all in one base station, the washboard is generally flat with a few grooves so it’s pretty easy to clean. I believe most of their washboards are removable. However, it’ll require more cleaning in the mop compartment and dirty water tank. Most roller mop models have an annoying cylindrical component which drives the roller mop like an upright wet dry vacuum but you can’t remove or move it to give it a deeper clean even if gunk is stuck on it. The only combos that are close to the level of self cleaning for spinning mop models are Dreame’s Aqua 10 Pro track, the MOVA Z50 Ultra, and the Narwal Flow since both have self-cleaning mechanisms that are made to also clean the dirty water tank and the mop compartment while also having a very easy to clean mop compartment since the thing that moves the mops is also completely removable. If you want to support a US startup, you could look at the Matic since it’s a vacuum and mop robot but taking care of it looks rather easy since it lacks a base station. The maintenance involved is replacing the bag, refilling the water with a cleaning solution of choice, occasionally cleaning the roller mop, the roller mop filter, cleaning the brush roller and de clogging the mop tubes if needed.

1. It really depends on your purchasing region. Costco is a popular choice given its generous return policy but choices are rather limited compared to buying from Amazon which has an easy return policy within 30 days. For other purchasing regions, buying from a reputable retailer with a good return policy and an optional protection plan would be good. In Australia, I heard Harvey Norman is nicer with returns compared to JB HIFI. 2. The robots with the best self cleaning will be Dreame’s L/X50 Ultra/L40S Ultra/Pro Ultra and MOVA’s V50 Ultra P50S Ultra > MOVA’s P50 Ultra/ Pro Ultra > Roborock’s models that have spinning mops with the Multifunctional Dock 3.0 (roborock models with a vibrating mop have a washboard that is more difficult to clean as you can’t remove it) ≈ Narwal Freo models (completely detachable base) > Dreame’s models with the mop-driven wiper mop washboard (cleaning the wiper washboard is rather difficult since there’s too many nooks and crannies and you’d still have to get down to clean the areas the wipers can’t reach) > other combo robots with an all in one base station As for combo robots with roller mops and have an all in one base station, the washboard is generally flat with a few grooves so it’s pretty easy to clean. I believe most of their washboards are removable. However, it’ll require more cleaning in the mop compartment and dirty water tank. Most roller mop models have an annoying cylindrical component which drives the roller mop like an upright wet dry vacuum but you can’t remove or move it to give it a deeper clean even if gunk is stuck on it. The only combos that are close to the level of self cleaning for spinning mop models are Dreame’s Aqua 10 Pro track, the MOVA Z50 Ultra, and the Narwal Flow since both have self-cleaning mechanisms that are made to also clean the dirty water tank and the mop compartment while also having a very easy to clean mop compartment since the thing that moves the mops is also completely removable. If you want to support a US startup, you could look at the Matic since it’s a vacuum and mop robot but taking care of it looks rather easy since it lacks a base station. The maintenance involved is replacing the bag, refilling the water with a cleaning solution of choice, occasionally cleaning the roller mop, the roller mop filter, cleaning the brush roller and de clogging the mop tubes if needed.

Vomit can be difficult for robots to properly avoid. I recommend dual brushes for fur as they'll generally lift fur out of carpets better. I'd also look at robots with anti-tangle brushes. The cheapest available option will be dreame and Xiaomi robots that can use the anti-tangle tricut brush. I wouldn't recommend Xiaomi for your case, as it only has structured light, so it cannot detect the obstacles you need it to avoid. I'm using the IT and ES websites for reference. Robots with good obstacle avoidance should be the camera-enabled models from these brands: Dreame/MOVA, Eufy, and Narwal. Narwal's Freo Z Ultra is the cheapest at 699 EUR. It also has the best obstacle avoidance and arguably the best smart cleaning mode. It is rather water-hungry when mopping and isn't the best vacuum, but it should be able to get rid of fur, so your mother may only worry about deeper cleans. This one's mop washboard is the easiest to clean as the entire base is completely removable. There's also the MOVA P50 Pro Ultra at 799 EUR, which is a better vacuum and is less water hungry. I did see those in North America report a broken front wheel, but I haven't seen anyone from Europe report this, so I think it'll be okay. I also like how MOVA has a 3-year warranty compared to Narwal's 2-year warranty. This one's mop washboard is not as easy to clean as you'd need to get down or lie on your side to clean under the drainage filter (the washboard itself is actually very good at keeping itself clean). There's also the Dreame X40 Ultra at 799 EUR. The P50 Pro Ultra is a souped-up version of the X40 Ultra. This one's mop washboard is rather annoying to clean with the wipers catching on fur and so many nooks and crannies.

The problem with generative AI, even with the research function, is that the information is woefully outdated and often hallucinates things that don't exist. You want these features: >Good object avoidance (chairs, socks, cables, etc.) But the models the generative AI seems to have found for you will not do well in avoiding cables and socks. This is because they all only use structured light sensors, which are not well-suited for this. Only robots with an RGB camera, an LED fill light, and good obstacle avoidance software. If you tidy those up, then the MOVA P50 Ultra at 549 euros ( [https://de.mova.tech/products/mova-p50-ultra-robot-vacuum](https://de.mova.tech/products/mova-p50-ultra-robot-vacuum) ) is a good choice. Actual obstacle avoidance comes with a higher price tag in more expensive models like the Dreame L40 Ultra AE at 609 euros (German Dreame website). >**Goal**: **Maximum automation** – no daily involvement (vacuuming, mopping, cleaning the mop, drying, edge cleaning) Robot at this price range will need more attention than those with better self cleaning features, such as tapping the dust out of the filter out once every few cleaning runs (recommended to do once after every cleaning run when first using it) rinsing the dustbin and filter and wiping the robot clean once every two weeks or so, refilling and emptying the dirty water tanks, cleaning the mop washboard as needed. The Dreame L40 Ultra AE at 609 euros will have some sort of mop washboard self-cleaning, but it is rather annoying to clean with too many nooks and crannies for my liking, and the wipers like to drag hair around the washboard. If you tidy the cables and socks up, the MOVA P50 Ultra will have the best self-cleaning mop washboard since there are barely any nooks and crannies, and you can get the robot to clean its own washboard by pressing a button in the app. You'd still need to tap the dust out of the filter after every few cleaning runs, occasionally wipe the washboard down and the area under the filter, and rinse the palm-sized removable filter, which stops hair and large debris from entering. If you want the robot to clean its filter when auto-emptying, the Dreame L40s Pro Ultra is the cheapest model I've found that can do this. But it's at 769 ( [https://de.dreametech.com/products/dreame-l40s-pro-ultra-schwarz-saugroboter](https://de.dreametech.com/products/dreame-l40s-pro-ultra-schwarz-saugroboter) ) Maintenance tips: 1. Run the robot to vacuum first, then mop to mitigate difficult-to-clean mud buildup in the dustbin, filter, and brush compartment. It'll have less gross stuff in the brush compartment when you clean it. 2. The dirty water tank can stink, but the Dreame or Roborock dirty water deodorization module helps a lot in keeping the tank from smelling in between emptying. Do rinse and clean the dirty water tank with dish soap once every two weeks or so. Do rinse the deodorization modules and the dirty water tank when emptying the dirty water tank. Dreame one supposedly lasts longer, at 6 months, and the roborock lasts about 3 months. I also added a silver ion module to both clean and dirty water tanks to avoid any bacterial biofilm buildup. 3. If getting a model that can't clean its own filter, I put in cut-out pieces of air conditioner pre-filter sheets that fit just on the filter, which barely impede airflow for the vacuum. This will act as a robot prefilter and you won't need to tap the dust out of the filter as often and simply throw away the prefilter sheet and replace it with a new one.

Dreame should have physical stores that ship for free in the mainland US and often have deals running. the dreame l40s doesn’t have an RGB camera for obstacle avoidance. The MOVA p50 pro ultra is good and better than the l40s for obstacle avoidance but i don’t know if you could get the broken wheel issue this model has.

I have the P50 and recommend it.

Yes.

I disagree. These suction power ratings are always an indication of actual performance. They might not be perfect, since other factors exist, but they are an indication. Reviews are subjective (some don't even use the highest settings). Suction power isn't. If your 2000 Pa robot has much better floor pick-up than your 12000 Pa robot, something's wrong with your 12000 Pa robot. My 20000 Pa eufy Omni E25 has better hard floor pick-up performance than my 19000 Pa Mova Z50 and my 18000 Pa Mova P50 Pro Ultra and Ecovacs Deebot T80.

Interesting. I also have a Mova P50 Pro Ultra and another model and all two run fine and support is good, better than eufy's (I also have an eufy Omni E25). Where are you located, what other model did you have, and what exactly was damaged?

I would go with the P50 ultra. Some users have had issues with the front wheel but other than that, it has all the features of a flagship but at a much lower price, and a 3 year warranty.

I don’t know them all but here is a post by vacuum wars about it https://www.reddit.com/r/RobotVacuums/comments/1kn8n4j/mova_p50_pro_ultra_sneak_peek_review_compared_to/ And here is a just a dad comparison: https://youtu.be/hLPB1MY0_yY?si=cDYYLLGjfIPu7_lm I think the P50 is better at mopping and has better cameras for obstacle avoidance and dirt detection as well as a better base station for washing mops. So it depends on what your needs are.

As Purr said a threshold is the thing that is usually there separating rooms. They can be anything from a small bump to an step. A lot of people have made great recommendations but If I were you I would look at the MOVA P50 Pro Ultra. I know it's about 500 AUS above what you want to spend but they do go on sale a lot. for instance the Roborock Saros 10R is almost 3k AUS and as far as I know doesn't do anything that this MOVA can't and has a 2 year longer warranty (3 years for MOVA). If you wanted to go cheaper, the MOVA P10 pro ultra is closer to $1200 AUS and is similar but is missing some of the convenience features. There are a ton more options out there, and different manufactures if you wanted to go a different route, but right now, MOVA is in a really good spot for price/performance and warranty. If I was looking for a robo vac right now that had spinning mop pads that's where I would be looking. Just remember, none of these are perfect, some will have issues, but once you find one that works, it will change your life :). Good Luck!

I heard the P50 mops do not release in the dock when you want to vacuum? that is a dealbreaker for me.

I had one where it missed it and mopped a carpet.. I returned that one. I rather have one where the mops can drop which reassures me. I have very expensive carpets and I can't take that chance again!

Just avoid the P50 as the wheels tend to break. I have the P10 and it's wonderful at vacuuming cat litter from my carpet and maintenance mopping

Agree with this 100%. Vacuum Wars lost any semblance of credibility they had for me since they rated it their No. 1 vacuum/mop. It got stuck three times on my first cleaning, whereas my MOVA P50 Pro Ultra didn’t get stuck once and accurately avoided obstacles. I returned the T50 the next day.

MOVA P50 Pro Ultra user here. I find it does a fine job cleaning our hardwood floors and rugs around our house. I have maybe 1200 sq ft of cleanable surface, and battery life seems to be sufficient. Everything really depends on what settings you use, and you kinda just have to play around with it and see what works best. My primary irk with this vacuum/mop is that the “sewage” tank doesn’t always seal properly when empty, so you might find that water just pools on the washboard and you have to go clean it all up. My solution is to just keep an inch of water in the bin, then it has enough weight and pressure to make enough contact for the pumping to work properly. I haven’t had the issue with the cracking wheel (yet), so I can’t weigh in on that.

I had a P10 pro ultra and prefer the P50 pro ultra. The price difference was 180$CAD plus a bonus stick vacuum. I can't wait to see the video also. Was the mode "vac only followed by mopping" used or mop and vac at the same time ? When you mesure the suction was it set manually or via the clean genius ? Thanks !

Also was the tricut brush used ? (Default with the P50) I see some people mentioning that the performance with the tricut on the P10 ultra pro was a bit worse with the tricut also. Maybe it's because of the tricut brush design ?

I also have a one bedroom apartment and three free roaming rabbits. My floors are hardwood and the kitchen is tile. I habe ana area rug and the bunnies have their own large mat area. I have a Shark but just got the Mova P50 Pro Ultra because i wanted a robot that would mop also. I've run the vacuum mode so and am going to run the mop mode today after I do a by hand mopping to start off fresh and see how the robot upkeeps after. Right now it's on sale on Amazon so that was a plus!

I had both: The Ecovacs T50 Pro Omni and the Mova P50 Pro Ultra and tested them in detail. I also trusted the reviews for the T50, but I believe most of them are paid - there’s as you say not a single issue mentioned in them. Trust me, go for the P50. - Mapping on the T50 drew walls where there were none, and left out walls where they were. You cannot correct that in the app. Splitting the map into individual rooms was a lengthy and painful process, as the rooms kept coming out differently than you would draw them. And my simple room setup, where one room is offset a bit from the other one wasn’t possible at all, I had to give up. On the other hand, P50 got it 100% right on the first attempt. It even split rooms correctly and correctly put my couch, bed, and other furniture on the map. Beautiful! - Navigation is a lot better on the P50. It appears that T50‘s lidar that is embedded in the body, and not a tower on top, isn’t good enough yet. Not only does it stop and turn every couple of minutes, but in almost every run through my flat, it missed something. sometimes it didn’t go underneath my table, sometimes it missed a corner,…. this was actually the main point why I returned it eventually. You need to be able to trust your robot vac to clean everywhere. these were not impossible to reach places, and there was no feedback at all why it didn’t go there. P50 does an amazing job, I’ve only seen it two times avoid a small area, and then you get notified in the app: it shows you a picture of the obstacle it avoided there and you can set it to not avoid it next time - obstacle avoidance is generally much better on the p50. the t50 ate every rug with tassels / fringes I had consistently (which the p50 never did). t50 also kicked over a small couch table I had multiple times - to wash the mop pads, t50 rubs them against plastic parts in the base station. they then lose some fibers that I manually had to pull out of the plastic. p50 on the other hand aims a stream of water on the pads, so no fibers get stuck anywhere the only reasons I could see for the t50: - it’s about 2-3 cm less tall than the p50, so if you have low furniture, this might be valuable. p50 is tall, but it’s very brave and goes into spaces that are exactly as tall as itself, sometimes it even tries slowly to go into places that are a few millimeters smaller - p50 uses a bit of energy in standby (5W), while t50 uses almost none (1W). that’s only like 10 Euros per year in energy however if you’re in europe - base station of t50 is smaller. it’s quite bulky of the p50, but looks less geeky - the front wheel of the p50 breaks for many people, including for me. warranty will cover that, but you’ll have to send it in. apparently this was just a „bad batch“, according to their support, but i’m not sure if that’s true - p50 uses a bit more water - there is Matter support for T50, but not for P50. so you can easily control basic features via Apple Home. However, P50 also has some siri shortcuts and a reasonably good own voice assistant, so it’s fine all in all, I’m super happy with the p50 pro ultra. I’d go for it again 100 times.

I have the P50 Pro Ultra and can definitely recommend it. If you’re interested, I just compared it to the Ecovacs T50 Pro Omni here: https://www.reddit.com/r/RobotVacuums/s/3mnR9i3mEW

As the poster above mentioned, most of them don't have cameras for object detection. I think bellow 600€ there is only a limited number available. Some ecovac Modells have a camera, I think the t30c “pro" is sometimes available for 599€ in sales and has a camera object detection. And I think only the Dreame l10s ultra heat has camera object detection (and the old l10s ultra). The new l10s ultra gen2 models have not. But then I often read that the camera doesn't always make a better detection. In terms of features I suggest the (dreame) mova p50 ultra, which had much more features as most other models and is available for 579€, the p50 pro ultra has ai camera, too, but is 729€ (which is unbeatable for its features). So mova is a dreame daughter and they often even work in the dreamer App, but they are always packing much more features than the more expensive dreame versions. But be aware: many manufacturers offer "ultra", "pro" or "pro ultra" versions (sometimes “pro ultra Omni) and often the "ultra" or "pro" versions only have laser object detection, with any manufacturer, so you normally need the "pro ultra" version to get ai camera obstacle avoidance. But still, often it doesn't make too much of a difference, nearly every robot still has problems detecting everything.

So since most of the robots should do the job fine that you ask for, the main issues seem to be the obstacle avoidance and long hair - I think on robot wars you can look for robots with the best obstacle avoidance, but keep in mind that almost no obstacle avoidance works perfectly every time. The most expensive Roborock Modells have some of the best (but might be way over your budget), if you want something cheaper with great obstacle avoidance, I think the top of the eufy and narwal robots have really good obstacle avoidance, too. But they often have other big flaws and apps aren't that great. For the best obstacle avoidance buy some with a camera avoidance system in the front - they often are better with smaller object detection. Dreame and Mova offer some great robots, with a lot of functions - but their obstacle avoidance is only good, but not great (the dreame x40/x50/l40 pro ultra or mova V50/p50 pro ultra - always check the best version which are called like "pro ultra", since there are often cheaper versions without camera)... Ecovacs has good midrange models, too. The ecovacs deebot t50 pro ultra omni or t80 pro ultra Omni are using all about the same tech as the high end models, but have a bit less suction (but here too often the versions without "pro" don't have cameras). All of them normally come with some anti hair tangle brushes or functions and work great with short, average hair... With long hair often still some hair might get tangled, I think only dreames newest robots have a splitted brush that seems to have no tangling going on. So with most of them you might have to clean the brush every 2-4 months (maybe less or more). Cat and dog hair shouldn't be much if a problem, at least if you let it clean regularly.... If I wait too long (a week) sometimes my cats have lost too much hair, that the bin inside the robot gets completely overwhelmed, so if it is cloaked on your first run, just run it 1-2 times and empty the dust bins yourself... Than if you run it like every two days it should be totally fine. So I suggest going with dreame/mova or ecovacs... Roborock are great, too, but they often are much more expensive with less features. Most of their robots have good obstacle avoidance and good hair anti tangle brushes/ systems, but all them are not perfect (but no robot is). With every robot I mentioned some say they have no problems with obstacles and some say they have... Best way is to buy one at a shop, that you can return it to, if you aren't happy... This way you can test it for some weeks and if not happy you can change back to another model. So I have the same problem right now, and my preferred robot at the moment is the dreame mova p50 pro ultra, it ticks most of the boxes and you can often get it for around 700€ and in your list it is even cheaper (I think it was 649€). If you want more high end features check the dreame x50 (hair compression and great anti hair dual brush) or the mova Z50 (better mopping system)( if I remember the names correctly of both), but they are often a bit above 1000€, but might soon fall in praise or be available on sale). Another tip is, buy it at a shop with great customer support, when it works fine after 6 months, it often will work fine for a long time... But if you have problems, support of all companies is often mediocre at best. Why I buy them on Amazon since prime customers get two years of warranty and if it dies, normally if you contact Amazon support directly, they replace it or refund you the money.

Spinning-pad mopping robots have an advantage over roller robots in one major area: they are typically better at edge and corner cleaning. Roller robots have started to get edge cleaning abilities only recently, and as far as I've seen, the implementations do not (yet) get as close as good spinning-pad robots, especially in corners. The advantages roller robots have don't matter to you, since you're most likely breaking out the wet-vac for anything like that anyway. So I think you'd be happier with the T50 or Mova P50.

I would recommend against either the old Roomba models or Lefant. The old Roombas are really old designs, and their mopping is not good at all. Lefant is a budget brand, and doesn't have a great reputation. Roborock is considered a quality brand. The Q7 M5+, however, is not going to be a good mop. It's a stationary pad tacked on to the back, which it drags across the floor and keeps wet with an onboard water tank. As a vacuuming robot, it's fine, but there are much better mopping robots out there... ...such as the Mova P50 Pro Ultra. Mova is known for providing good value for money, and the P50 is going to be an excellent deal. As a budget brand, you may have some quality control issues. A while back, they were shipping fragile front wheels for P-series robots, with some even broken in the box. Support seems to have been fairly decent about getting these problems fixed, but none of the top robot manufacturers have excellent support these days, so there may be some hassles. But if you get a good unit, you'll likely be very pleased. If you decide to keep looking, study the P50's mopping system. Most likely, that's the mopping system you want, whichever model you choose: two spinning pads on the back of the robot, along with a dock that can wash and dry those pads automatically. Eufy seems to have customer support that's a bit above the rest, but still not perfect, and quite a bit worse in the UK. Their spinning-pad robots are limited to the X10 and C20; either would be a good choice if the price is right.

That's quite the question. There are a lot of Mova fans here, and the reviews seem to suggest that there's at least something to the hype. OTOH, Mova has quality control issues, most notably broken front wheels on the P series robots. If you get a good one, it's reportedly really good. It would be awesome if you could get a Mova with Costco's return policy. Sorry about the GoVac recommendation. I couldn't get a price for some reason with my membership. I'm sure it's amazing for $1000. :-)

I had the Roomba J7+ for 2.5 years. It served well it was great with not really any hair collecting on the brushes. I just got the MOVA P10 Pro Ultra. Clipped an Amazon coupon on the app. But you could maybe get the MOVA P50 it will have a 3 yr warranty. I think the P50 has the tri-cut rubber brush essentially but the P10 has the standard rubber brush which is what I wanted coming from the Roomba. Look at the Dreame L40, X30, X40, and/or X50. Roborock has better support than Dreame/MOVA. But a lot of their vacuums don’t have cameras which are essential for obstacle avoidance. There are fewer Dreame/MOVA models without cameras. That’s why I kept the roomba so long the camera.

I have it and its works very well.

Bought p50 pro ultra and happy with it

P50 has serious wheel issue. I am about to return my to Amazon tomorrow. Just keep That in mind

Hi all! I’m looking to finally upgrade my roborock S5 max and I’m torn between the Mova P50 and the Z50. The Z50 is €130 more expensive than the P50 (499.00) My situation: • Floors: all tiles and laminate (no carpets) • 3 floors to clean (I’ll be carrying it between floors) • Main priorities: would like to walk barefoot, easy to maintain. Has anyone here used either of these models? Is the Z50 worth the extra cost , or would the P50 be enough for my needs? I do have both of them currently and can return one. The z50 I have don’t seem to have the dock issue. Should I move away from Mova? Thanks for any insight!

I'll echo that the wheel broke for me 15min into the mapping exercise. Super disappointing. Mova offered a refund (no repair or replacement) but it felt sketchy since they wanted to do it via paypal, considering that I purchased it on Amazon.

I contacted Mova first, since the robot seemed promising and I was interested in a repair/exchange. When I found out they wanted to refund me, then I opted to go to Amazon for that (for the same reasons you mention).

nope. In fact, the new Mova P50 Pro Ultra that is now listed on amazon ALSO will not spin the brush on carpet. I suspect that there are so many issues with the X40/L40 side brush extension they are either not going to launch that update on the Mova or it wont be for a long time.... I still recommend the p10 pro ultra if the use case is like mine (just small area rugs)

Any suggestion among mova p50 ultra 660euro, dreame l40s pro ultra 730euro, mova z50 ultra 800euro? I think im leaning towards l40s pro ultra.

I personally am not able to find a robot without issue...mova p50 wheels keep breaking for everyone, ecovacs app losing maps seems kinda common, eufy just not randomly completing cleaning session....My mind is: "get a robot and deal with some issues, or dont get one"...

This is correct for the majority of reviewers. They just dont have the ability to use them all daily. One of them , I think vacuum wars, weights amazon reviews in their overall rating they probably use AI and dont read all of them. They are not a reviewer I liked very well. I feel they are biased and are overlooking brands that excel over the ones they prefer. Sort of the turn consumer reports took. To the OP, I searched amazon reviews by key words to find issues that were important to me. I searched and watched a loooot of youtubes. The popular reviewers can still be biased by getting free machines. Ive been watching Just a Dad reviews as he is purchasing his all himself and uses the ones he likes in his home for several months. He has reviewed a lot of models and will cover base and vac maintenance and cleaning on some and more detail on app functionality. Then when I think I found the model I want then I look for more reviews by other reviewers. I was interested in the Dreame x40 and the Mova p50 and wanted to know what the exact differences were, after a lot of searching I finally found a German reviewer that compared them both. The wheel quality issue on the P50 has been resolved. The most important criteria for me is, mapping /app functionality and small object avoidance. That removed all machines that use Ecovacs app which was a lot. As far as what model I would choose if not going with the flat spinning mops it would be the Eufy E25. At first I was put off by the proprietary cartridge, however from what I found, it doesn’t monitor if its full. It lasts a long time and if necessary can be added to the clean water. A lot of mops dont add the solution to the vacuum, its only used for washing the pads. Their accessories are less expensive as well. The drippy waste water tank lid on the vac has been resolved and new ones will be sent to owners in a few weeks.

In the under $900 range, the Eufys you mentioned or the Dreame and Mova units I mentioned. Although if you have wide grout lines I would avoid the Mova. If you look at the chart the op posted it shows other things like suction and airflow which rules out some of the others with good avoidance and nav. The numbers lined up with what I found from user reviews and youtubes.

I learned a lot by watching videos lots of videos. It really depends on what you feel is important. The vacuum wars spreadsheet in this post is helpful. Their comparison link is helpful. For value priced with good object avoidance, good app and overall good function. I don't know how these price out where you are. Dreame x40 Eufy e25 - best mopping Mova P50 - Not good if you have wide grout lines Dreame L40 - not the best object avoidance but good enough. If you need something cheaper you might research the Dreame x30. I havent really researched the lower priced models because object avoidance wasnt as good. All I know is what I learned searching for my vacuum. Look at the chart in this post to narrow things down.

Hi, I purchased a mova p50 pro ultra (hyper, mega, etc.) about ten days ago. I opted for this model as I had a similar budget to yours, for the excellent reviews and because the rotating mops are a tested and efficient system (for my needs). My partner has very long hair, I was shocked by the fact that I didn't find even one in the brush, this is because the latter has a blade that cuts it so as to vacuum it more easily. If you want some info just ask

I have my Mova p50 pro ultra since around 2 months and I love it. Cleans great, has very good obstacle avoidance so I'm finally not afraid to run it when we're off. Very reliable vac and I'm super happy with this purchase.

Luckily my front wheel has been fine (knocks on wood). I use it daily for about 2 1/2 weeks now.

I have the tricut brush on my P50 pro ultra and know it fits dream models. Maybe check if available for yours. I have had no hair wrap and I have 2 dogs, 2 cats, and a fiancee with long, thick, Indian hair that usually kills any vacuum.

Was the difference in suction maybe a difference in settings? Given the designs are similar and the P50 has higher advertised suction I don't see how or why it performed worse. I know on my p50 I have it set to max suction mode. Either that or maybe its a defective unit? Either way I still love my P50 and for value its hard to beat the P10. The differences between 1st place and top 20 is most likely so minor to the average person that it wouldn't be noticeable until you compare models back to back in a controlled setting like this.

Skip the iRobot. It can't compare to the features and mapping of my Mova (subsect of Dreame). Roborock are a solid choice as well as people liking Eufy. Budget being the biggest factor. Make sure you go with either a roller style mop or scrubbing pads and skip robots with vibrating fixed pads.

Well the Q revo curve and X50 ultra are way more money than that, and unless you need threshold jumping or retracting lidar you prob don't need the X50 even though it's a great vac. Many like their S8s but it just has a vibrating mop pad where everything else has twin scrub pads. The X40 is supposed to be similar to my Mova P50 Ultra, and I'm super satisfied with it.

That's what I would do. I know people think Roborock is more reliable than Dreame, but a lot of satisfied Dreame owners makes me think it's blown out of proportion. My P50 comes with the optional cutting brush from Dreame and i'd definitely recommend it. I have had 0 hair wrap. I think they are like $40-$50 USD.

Robots like my Mova P50 Ultra have the option to automatically leave its mop pads at the station when vacuuming, and then goes and picks them back up when it's time to mop.

I have had old roombas and sharks with old tech. We are talking first gen Roomba and Sharks first robot that had an app old. Tech had come such a long way and I was overwhelmed with choices. This vac came up on sale and I was worried about trying a brand that's so new (I had never even heard of Dreame either), and the comparable roborock was $500 more. The front wheel "issue" scared me (although who knows the actual percentage of units affected), but with a solid extended warranty I bit the bullet. My GOD am I glad I did. I had no idea how much I had been missing! We have 2 dogs and a cat, and live more rural. That means dirty paws folks, and a lot of them. The mopping and vacuuming has been no short of amazeballs. Not amazing. Amazeballs. The app is intuitive except for not being able to rotate area rugs to fit the map better. It has made my life SO much easier. Object detection is pretty good, although it won't recognize cords on the ground all the time. Still it's far better than I'm used to so no complaints from me. The included floor cleaner smells nice, but it's very very mild so don't expect your floors to smell super fresh. You do see some swirl marks from the scrubbers so if that bugs you then getting a vac with a roller may be your only option. Vacuuming is pretty quiet and I don't even find myself turning up the TV volume when running it. On max suction on rugs the noise is noticeably louder, but it doesn't even affect my pets and less noisy than a plug in vac. The one thing that is loud is the auto empty, but it's less noisy than my old shark was. I have also had 0 hair wrap. Both my old Roomba and Shark id have to clean the rollers weekly. The mop cleaning function has a whirring/pump noise to it, and when it sucks up the water it's about as loud as the suction noise you get when emptying a bath tub. I haven't had to clean the station yet as it's done a good job keeping itself clean, and the mop pads haven't smelled at all after drying either. Still with no hiccups yet, and an unbroken wheel even though it bumps and jumps over hardwood room dividers, I am over the moon. It's such a great robot and worth it at MSRP. Way more worth it if you can catch it on sale.

I have the P50 ultra and love it. The X40 gets rave reviews but one thing the P50 has is the cutting brush. You would have to purchase it separately with the X40, but I think it's definitely worth it. 2 dogs, 2 cats, and a fiancee with long, thick hair. I have had 0 hair wrap and I run it every day to every other day.

Ditched my horrible shark for a Mova P50 Pro Ultra and have been very happy. Roborock Qrevo Edge S5A was my second choice. Both do great with hair and have good suction/anti hair wrap measures. The p50 gets you the ability to automatically leave the mop pads at the dock and has a hair cutting blade in the roller. I know you aren't concerned with mop functions but most good vacs include it now. Mova also has the P10 pro ultra which ditches some features and is super solid. You can also look at Dreame, of which the Mova is a sub brand of. Look for sales. Most mid tier and above vacs will do everything you want, and unless you are nit picking while testing head to head, the average consumer wouldn't be able to tell a difference in performance. I'm not sure how much they are charging up in Canada vs. the USA but I got my P50 Pro Ultra for $799 USD I've seen the Roborock on sale for $899 USD The P10 Pro Ultra was on sale for $499 USD Having had both Shark and Roomba in the past i'd recommended staying away from them. Apps/mapping are garbage. They are buggy, and parts/service can be hard to get.

You will want something that has a twin rotating scrub brushes or a roller mop as the vibrating mops are meh. I have the Mova P50 pro ultra and love it. It's a small step up from the Dreame X40 which is also a great machine. The Qrevo series has twin scrubbies as well. Eufy is one of the few brands that has a roller mop. So not only does it clean but has a dirty water tank to dispose of all that bird poop in. The others could possibly smeer it around. Object avoidance, even with the most expensive vacs are still lacking for some homes, but I have found my Mova to be adequate. I believe it's the same object avoidance that's in the X40 but I could be wrong and is on par with the X50. They still might chomp some USB cables from time to time, but won't be outright running full speed into things. Roborock is supposed to have the best app. I think Mova/Dreames app is pretty darn good. But I'm stepping up for a shark and Roomba. Both of which have the lousiest apps. Having pets, a mopping station that "auto" cleans itself is a big plus. I hope that helps narrow it down. I know it's a lot and had to force myself to just hit "add to cart" or I would still be stuck looking at too much information and confusing myself all over again.

Mova P50 Pro Ultra. A retractable turret and maybe a roller brush would be nice. But honestly there isn't anything that would really cause me to upgrade unless I buy another house that has large thresholds. I'm super happy with it.

I researched and researched and researched vacuums. I was able to get the P50 Pro Ultra for $799 on sale. I was torn between it or the Roborock Qrevo Edge, but it was like a $300-$400 savings, and the p10 was so highly regarded. Now watching how much the list fluctuates, and how well this thing cleans I think the difference between machines now a days are so minute that you prob wouldn't notice in day to day use. I'll be keeping mine and glad I saved the $100s. The only difference would be those that need threshold climbing functions.

I have a P50 Pro Ultra and love it. I'm sure the Dreame X50 is better, but I couldnt justify the price difference at the time. Even so I have no regret with my purchase and can't imagine how it gets much better than it is. 2 dogs, 2 cats, and a fiancee with tons of long hair. The house is damn near spotless.

It would be interesting to see if your P50 had something wrong with it, or if all models have lower suction compared to the P10 and would perform like the one you had. From my understanding early models were "quirky" where mine has been solid and seems to have the kinks worked out. Maybe contact Mova and see if they will send you another model out to test and compare the results. 🤷🏻

I second this. I love my Mova and can't imagine it getting any better, especially for the price.

Avoided any iRobot and Shark as they have performed 'meh' at best. Picked up a Mova P50 pro ultra for $799 USD and have been very very happy. 2 dogs, 2 cats, and a fiancee with long thick hair. No wraps, tangles, etc. Had to rescue it once from a random phone charger, but that's it. For $500 I wouldn't hesitate to pick up it's younger brother the P10 pro ultra. Prime day is coming up so maybe you can get one on sale.

Definitely, and in this order: 1) Mova p50 Pro Ultra 2) MOVA P50 Pro Ultra

I switched from a Roborock S8+ to a Mova P50 Pro Ultra about a week ago and couldn't be happier. It's much better at collecting pet hair without clogging the brushes, suction is excellent and the mopping leaves my wood and tile floors looking beautiful. I think you'll be very happy with your choice!

I've had the P50 for a bit over a week and am VERY happy with it. As others have said the cutting brush is wonderful for pets, the suction is excellent and the mopping makes my floors look great.

Absolutely, especially for a pet owner. I own a mova P50, and its a game changer imo. I had a vacuuming only roomba from years ago, which i was honestly pretty happy with. But with the mopping on the new one I got? Absolutely insane. It literally follows me room to room as I dust, clean the walls, doors, floarboard, etc. as I clean the top it takes care of the bottom. cuts my time in half if not more, cus for me, vacuuming/sweeping and mopping absolutely was the worst and most time consuming part lol.

House with backyard, kids, two dogs. One rug, rest wooden floor, around 100m2. Works perfectly fine, never got stuck, floor is clean. Only what I do is to pour out the dirty water and pour in fresh water. I can recommend.

They work great i got a mova p50 for 600 because it going to be discontinued i think replace by the v50 the 2025 model. I set the robots to mop clean everyday at midnight it mops vac 80sqm in 87mins cleans downstairs. All the newer robots use roller mop pads cleans better then spinning pads but they cost over 1000 to 1500 so I went with last year's flagships for half the cost. Go watch just a dad youtube channel he test robots vacs

Either Mova P50 Pro Ultra or Eufy E25. The Eufy tank problem has mostly been resolved after they sent a new dirty water tank design. The S5V doesn't have an RGB camera that allows better obstacle detection and avoidance; it only uses a structured light sensor to detect obstacles and won't be able to detect liquid or pets that are on the floor. For anti-hair tangle, Mova P50 Pro Ultra uses a TriCut brush, and Eufy E25 uses a split brush similar to Roborock Qrevo S5V/Edge. I heard that Eufy vacuum performance is kind of weaker than other brands.

I just got mova p50 ultra and happy with the use so far. Works great with pet hairs and hardwood floor. The app is pretty simple to use.

I also picked up the p50 because of the higher rated specs and relatively small price difference in CAD with the current sales. Bit disappointed it has lesser carpet performance. Would be interested to see someone swap in a non tricut brush to see if it makes a difference since the P10 and p50 pro hardware looks so similar. One other difference that led me to the p50 was it definitely having a 3 year warranty. Reading the fine print on the mova Canada site the P10 only has 2 years.

u/VacuumWars any plans to test the p10 and p50 carpet pickup with the brushes swapped?

I went for the Mova p50 pro ultra and I don't have any regrets

Mine just arrived an hour ago and I’m waiting for my 4yo to wake up from her nap for the unboxing. I’ll try to remember to update.

Imo the Mova P50 Pro Ultra is the best all around robot. It sits between the Dreame X40 and X50 in terms of features, but for a significantly lower price. I've had mine for 3 weeks now and I've been very impressed with its mopping and navigation. Upgrading from an old Shark vacuum so its a huge jump in tech for me.

I did, but in Canada the Ecovacs T50 is $300 more expensive than the Mova P50.

It's better than the L40 and sits between the X40 and X50 in terms of features (suction, power and misc. features like dock self cleaning etc).

The P50 can detach is mop pads

Thanks! My P50 just broke it's front wheel and Dreame repaired it and sent it back in a week. I agree with your review for the most part, but I was able to fix the wall issue with changing the extension frequency to high frequency. It's definitely a "beta" product that seems to improve with software upgrades...I suppose that's why it's a bit cheaper than other flagship robots. Also, worth noting it comes with a 3 year warranty here in Canada!

The Mova P50 Pro Ultra has been pretty good for me since I picked it up during Prime Day/Week.

Mova P50 but not for $1000. I think the P50 and V50 are very close in what they do, but some of their consumables are different. I.e dual solutions for mop settings on the V50, different brush rollers, etc

I ended up with the p50 since it wasn’t as tall (and liked the idea of leaving the mop pads for my medium pile carpet). Otherwise probably would have bought the Dreame L40 Ultra.

Just avoid the P50 right now that’s the one with the front wheel issue. P10 is fine

The p10 is the best of the options here but I’d wait until it’s on sale. I got mine for $450 and it was $500 for quite awhile. If you don’t want to wait get the P50 at $650 that’s a great price Cut the Qrevo it’s onstacle avoidance is so bad you will be very frustrated with it. L40 is just a worse P10

I wouldn't view that way. I encourage you to think about your purchase in the context of price to performance. Above that $400-$600 range you're really paying for features that only marginally improve cleaning performance. Keep that in mind. $1000+ vacuums aren't necessarily the best cleaners, they just have the most features. I always encourage people to look at the Mova P10 Pro Ultra. You can get it as low as $450 on sale. It has the perfect sweet spot of necessary features without all the fluff. Regularly beats out $1000+ vacuums in practice. Right now its not on sale though, and I never recommend you pay full price for any of these vacuums. Its big brother the P50 pro ultra is on sale right now so that might be the better buy at the moment. If you have time to wait I might be seeing what goes on sale during labor day (if you're in the US).

P50 is a tier up. If you are in Europe then the P10 pro ultra is not availible there.

Yes it is very good. Just more expensive. It has more advertised suction, hotter water on mop cleaning, it comes with the Tricut brush which is great long hair. It has blades that cut the hair to reduce tangles. The p50 also has a feature where it can leave the mop pads at the base if its doing a vacuum only run. This is to keep carpets dry if it needs to vacuum after mopping. This is great if you have high pile carpets, but not really necessity because you program all mova vacuums to vacuum before mopping. Its a nice to have feature but not necessary. Those are the only differences. In testing though the more advertised suction actually came out to less suction in practice than the P10 pro ultra. My final caveat with that vacuum is this. Mova has had a huge QC issue with the front wheels on these units. MOST of the issues I seem to be in north america, but a few european P50s have popped up on this sub with the issue. The front wheel can arrive in the box broken, or break under normal use. So if you get one with a good front wheel, it's a fantastic vacuum. Just hard to recommend until they fix that front wheel issue. Could be fixed by now but who knows watcha a comparison here: https://youtu.be/L0q7mZnYx7k?si=17F_fxMDglnXDRRi and here: https://youtu.be/hLPB1MY0_yY?si=1k-pWEXzSqT8fUKK

P50 easily as long as you get one with a good front wheel

If you're comparing the flagship vacuums ([V50 vs X50](https://vacuumwars.com/compare/mova/mova_v50_ultra_complete/?compare=mova-mova_v50_ultra_complete-vs-dreame-dreame_x50_ultra)) and their middle tier options ([L40 vs P10 Pro Ultra](https://vacuumwars.com/compare/dreame/dreame_l40/?compare=dreame-dreame_l40-vs-mova-mova_p10_pro_ultra-vs-mova-mova_p50_pro_ultra)) Mova wins in both circumstances. The P50 is great if you get one with a good front wheel, but because that front wheel issue seems to be so prevalent its tough to recommend that vacuum. Seems to only affect the P50. But even in testing from Vacuum Wars the P10 Pro outscores the P50 Pro despite being cheaper

If you’re deciding between these, I’d skip the Eufy S1 Pro. A few reasons: The S2 is coming out soon The dirty water tank tends to leak It’s over a year old, and there are better/cheaper options now The Narwhal Flow looks great, but it has some flaws if edge cleaning matters to you. Since they didn’t go with a swing-out brush, the design tends to fling dirt around instead of pulling it in (check Jamie Andrews’ recent video on this). It especially pushes dirt behind the vacuum, where it doesn’t get picked up again. On top of that, track and roller mops (even if they extend) just aren’t great at edge cleaning. If edge cleaning is a priority, I’d look at the Mova P50 or V50. Swing-out mop pads + brush arms will always beat extending tracks/rollers here. P50 → Strong value at ~$600, but front wheel issues are common. If you get a good unit, it’s fantastic for the price. If you get a bad one, you’ll be stuck dealing with the wheel. If oyu choose this one then make sure you order from amazon since they will take your return with no questions asked V50 → $1,099, more expensive but also the best overall vacuum right now, def top 2. So bottom line: Skip the S1 Pro. Narwhal Flow = great, but poor edge cleaning. If edge cleaning is important → P50 (better value but risky) or V50 (expensive but less manufacturing defects). Hope that helps!

They are the same company sharing basically everything. Even though the P50 is better than the L40s, I’d say to just avoid the P50 for now because of the front wheel issue. Amazon units in North American keep arriving broken

They do. Not sure why that’s a deal breaker though. When you set it to vacuum then mop it won’t wet the mop pads until all the vacuuming is done. I’ve always thought that mop pad leave behind was overrated because of that feature

I have a parrot. He loves seed. He is ambivalent on the topic of pellets. Vacuums, unfortunately, don’t like seed nor pellet. Cookie (parrot’s name) is not a tidy eater. Prior to getting a robot vacuum, every handheld cordless vacuum I ever used struggled with the necessary airflow to get under the seeds (particularly) to suck them up. I resorted to using a workshop vacuum. Big, cumbersome, ugly. Last month, after much research and looking at loads of contradictory reviews, I decided that buying a robot vacuum was a bit of a gamble, and so maybe a more expensive one would lessen the chance of a lemon. Living in Japan, as I do, we often have to contend with crap appliances. Yes, contrary to YouTube videos claiming that I’m living in 2050, Japan’s appliances are stuck in the early 2000s. Whether it’s Japan’s legendary import tariffs and protectionism, or its pride in its own brands, there is less of a range of foreign appliances than in some other countries. The best option seemed to be a Mova P50 Ultra (non pro, as it was not available). This thing sucks. Which is good. As in: I would recommend it. It generates 19,000Pa max. On a normal, non max run, far less. It doesn’t miss a single seed on any setting. Whether Pa matters or not, I don’t know, it may just be a marketing gimmick. Airflow and agitation would seem to be just as important to me, as half the battle with seed is just to get them moving to get air under them. My point is, my Mova works. A non-mopping Mova or Dreame may be just as good. Picture of seed distributing culprit attached. https://preview.redd.it/45is0jvklv9f1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f3fed88bdfbe63919c8d4c07f7b095c1145b3549

Mova P50 Ultra. It works well. You can get detergent specially for robot vacuums with mops (it’s important that it is non-foaming) that you add to the water. I add some of this detergent to water in a spray bottle and pre-treat any particularly tough problems. I also divide the room the cage is in, treating the area around the cage as a separate room. That way you can apply deeper cleaning to that area, but crucially also set the vacuum to return to the base and clean itself before it cleans anywhere else.

Our house is exactly the same flooring and sqft, but we also have a golden and a German shepherd. I just got my Mova P50 yesterday. Just ran it once so far, but feel already very impressed. Will see how longevity goes with time but compared to one of the first Shark robots we previously had… this is a totally different beast, not even comparable in how much better it’s performing. So far no balls of fur it’s spitting out everywhere, hasn’t gotten stuck once (and we’re remodeling so there’s junk piled everywhere and the hardwood floors to tile transitions aren’t even completed yet). It’s also quiet enough that my dogs are freaking out, and I think we would even be able to sleep through it’s cleaning undisturbed if we decide to schedule it to run at night. Mopping so far looks great too…. Veryyyy little water left behind which was my ultimate concern with my new hardwood floors. Another big feature for me was obstacle avoidance and so far it’s done really well. Hope this helps as it’s definitely a bargain with Prime Day at $699. Happy shopping!

Hey r/robotvacuums, It’s Vacuum Wars here. We’ve seen a lot of questions and curiosity about the new **Mova P50 Pro Ultra**, especially since so many of you are familiar with our very favorable review of its cheaper sibling, the **P10 Pro Ultra**, which won our Best Value award. We bought a P50 and have been putting it through its paces for the past few weeks. Our full video review will be on YouTube soon, but we wanted to give this community a detailed preview of our findings. The story is interesting: while the P50 has more features, the cheaper P10 might still be the better choice for many. Here’s the breakdown. # TL;DR: * **The P50's biggest advantage is mopping.** It's significantly better than the P10 on tough, dried-on stains, where the P10 was just average. * **The P50 has more premium features on paper:** active hair removal, slightly hotter mop washing, camera-based dirt detection, and the option to detach mops at the base. * **Surprisingly, the cheaper P10 beat the P50 in several key** ***vacuuming*** **tests**, including our carpet deep clean and crevice pickup tests. The P10 also had slightly better measured airflow and navigation/battery efficiency. * **Conclusion:** The **P10 Pro Ultra** remains an incredible value and is likely the better buy for most people. The **P50 Pro Ultra** is still a great value compared to other flagships, and it's the clear choice if powerful mopping is your absolute top priority. # The Full Breakdown # Price & Basics * **Mova P50 Pro Ultra:** Lists for $1,000, but we're seeing it sell for around **$800**. * **Mova P10 Pro Ultra:** Typically sells in the **$500 - $600** range. * Both are robot vacuum/mop combos priced significantly below competitors with similar feature sets. # What’s New & Better on the P50 Pro Ultra? These are the key upgrades the P50 brings to the table: * **Better Mopping Performance:** This is the most significant improvement. In our dried-on stain test, the P50 scored an amazing **110**, well above average and a huge jump from the P10's adequate-but-unremarkable performance. It cleans thoroughly without leaving excess water. * **Active Hair Removal:** The P50 has a system to actively remove hair from the brushroll. In our tests, it was about **4%** better at resisting tangles than the P10. Honestly, both were already significantly better than average here, so it's a minor improvement. * **Mop Detaching:** While both robots lift their spinning mops by 10mm on carpet, the P50 adds the option to leave the mop pads at the base entirely for a vacuum-only run. This gives you 100% certainty your carpets will stay dry. * **Camera-Based Dirt Detection:** A rare feature where the P50 uses its camera to identify heavily soiled spots and focus on them. We saw this work during our coffee debris test, where it intelligently spent extra time on the spill. * **Hotter Mop Washing:** The P50 uses slightly hotter water than the P10 when self-cleaning its mop pads at the dock. # What’s the Same on Both Models? The P10 and P50 share an impressive core set of high-end features: * **Advanced Dock:** Both have a fantastic, full-featured dock that: * Auto-empties the dustbin into a disposable bag. * Washes the mop pads with clean water. * Dries the mop pads with heated air. * Refills the robot's onboard water tank (with water and optional solution). * Features a dock self-cleaning function with squeegees. * **Edge & Corner Cleaning Tech:** Both have an **auto-extending side brush** for corners and an **auto-extending rear mop head** for mopping right up to the edge of walls. Both features worked incredibly well in our tests. * **Obstacle Avoidance:** Both use a camera with 3D structured light for obstacle avoidance. Performance was very similar and slightly above average for the industry. The P10 actually scored marginally better in our tests, but we believe this is within the margin of error. * **App & Software:** The app experience is identical and very robust for a new brand, featuring multi-level mapping, no-go zones, 3D maps, and even live video monitoring. # Where the Cheaper P10 Surprisingly Won Despite the P50 having a higher advertised suction power, our tests showed the P10 coming out ahead in several practical performance metrics: * **Airflow & Suction:** Our own measurements showed the **P10 had slightly higher suction and airflow** than the P50. * **Carpet Deep Clean Test:** The P10 was more effective at pulling sand out of deep carpet pile. * **Crevice Pickup Test:** The P10 did a better job of pulling debris from a hard-floor crevice. * **Efficiency:** The P10 was slightly more efficient with its navigation and battery usage, giving it a better estimated square footage cleaned per charge. # Final Thoughts & Rankings The **Mova P10 Pro Ultra** is a truly exceptional value. Its main weakness is its average mopping, which is precisely where the **P50 Pro Ultra** excels. The P50 is by no means a bad robot—its features and mopping performance are unmatched at its \~$800 price point, making it a tremendous value in its own right. However, the fact that the cheaper P10 outperforms it on core vacuuming tasks like carpet cleaning is significant. For most users, the P10 offers a more balanced performance package for an unbeatable price. As of now, on the official[ Vacuum Wars Top 20 list:](https://vacuumwars.com/vacuum-wars-best-robot-vacuums/) * The **Mova P10 Pro Ultra** ranks at **#9**. * The **Mova P50 Pro Ultra** ranks at **#18**. Hope this detailed preview is helpful! Let us know what you think, and we’re happy to answer questions in the comments. The full video review will be up on the Vacuum Wars channel in a few weeks.

Great thanks! I'm looking at the Mova V50 ultra, which will launch on 24th of april in EU. Im doubting between the dreame x50 ultra and the mova V50 ultra (both will be 1299,-). I love the new features of Mova, however, I feel Mova is less quality than dreame. Mova is great at marketing but I had an Mova P50 pro ultra before and there where so many problems with it I returned it. For such high price I do not expect to be Beta-tester. Which one would you pick?

Eufy!!!! I had a Mova p50 pro ultra this think was pure crap and the support was so bad ! I had 2 models all two were damaged.

Absolutely. I would prioritize finding one with the best obstacle avoidance in your price range. I had a lower end model eufy as my first and while it worked, it ran into a lot of things and I had to be strategic with map editing to avoid that. I upgraded to a Mova p50 pro when it was on prime day and I love it. It’s one of the best tech purchases I’ve made and I can never go back to not having one.

Hey, the Mova P50 pro ultra arrived, installation and first impressions are great. The cleaning result is way more advanced than with my previous robot s7 max ultra. One disadvantage I can already see the robot is very carefully a little to much he is slow when obstacles are in the area and for example if a cable is laying in a corner he has a large safety space and is not cleaning up to the cable to avoid tangeling. On the other hand the Roborock would get stuck in the same situation so it’s somehow a win. Other than that the robot makes a great first impression.

Yes first impression are great nice robot so far a little too carefully with obstacles and cables but that’s not wild.

I just received and trialed the Mova P50 Pro Ultra and have 2 cats and 2 dogs. One cat is a Maine Coon who leaves her hair \*everywhere\*. We also have tile floors only. Ran the vacuum only option today and it picked up her fur off the ground which our Eufy X10 had problems with. Overall pretty happy and got the device on sale via Amazon.

The p50 mova is a little technological marvel, to be seen over time but very good work and excellent after-sales service

I used 3 times per week for aspiration and 2 times per week for mop. Guaranty during 3 years so i think it good

I'm in the Netherlands too and decided on the Mova P50 Pro Ultra. €750 is lowest ever and it seems the best high-end bang for buck bot available atm. I went for pro ultra version cause I wanted the brush that deals well with long hair and I don't want clean the mop station that much. Make sure you don't have high thresholds (>22mm). If you order at Amazon you can try it out while being able to return it. They're chill about it. I skipped ecovacs because of all the bad stories here. The P10 Ultra isn't available in Europe it seems unless imported from America (way too expensive). The other bord were too expensive or basically the same bot but more expensive. Roomba just seems bad in general.

I hope the camera is worth it, hard to judge from a distance. The mop cleaning will require less maintenance for sure though as the system on the non-ultra leaves more residue in the base station. I went with the pro ultra.

I give Matic the Platinum award for industrial design. It's friendly, fun and blends in. Most people wouldn't even know it's a vacuum. The Gold goes to Narwal. They've really cared about this since the beginning and their competitors—Roborock Curv and DJI Romo—have copied them which I also really like. Silver goes to Eufy's S1 Pro. My family calls it the "Tron vacuum" because of its translucent plastics and illuminating ring. Bronze goes to the MOVA P and V line. I like the white version and I actually prefer the glossy because it's easier to wipe clean. I'd give the Dyson 360 Nav an honorable mention just because it looks beefy, like it's ready for business and comes in a cool color.