MOVA - Z50 Ultra

Hmmm. Next best would be Ecovacs X8 or X9 on sale, or Mova Z50.

Likely both would have been a solid choice (can‘t say about the downforce, but reviewers like vacuumwars never mentioned it). The Z50 has a wider (roller)/track, which is better than on the X8/X9, so probably the better choice, especially if the other guy says it has more downforce (+36C warm mop washing during cleaning)

I got this robot a couple of weeks ago...really surprised about the cleaning quality. Pros: Mapping: quick and very detailed Vacuum: high power, dust recognition, corners cleaning Wet: Roll makes the difference. Cons: None

Amazon.it …Mova Z50, you’re welcome 👍🏼

https://preview.redd.it/0ljcbw86si9f1.jpeg?width=4284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4ec871065001ca71939632ffb885e9e7a5bbbef3 Yes you can!! 😉 Ordered from Amazon Italy, and it came from Spain lol.

Thank you, I just read more about it an saw that it heats the water as it cleans and the rolling mop is much better than the spinning. 3 years warranty as well in case it breaks as I've heard rolling ones have more maintenance required.

I purchased it today and got a defective unit, hoping the exchanged one will work.

Some can extend the roller mop, I have the mova z50 and while being happy with it, it can’t.

How in the mova app?

Not really. I can switch off “anti-colliding” which might help a bit, but no edge cleaning setting or similar.

Bought the mova z50 and long hair person in the household, so far no tangled hair.

Mova z50 very good for mopping hard floors but you never know if you are going to be lucky and you get a functioning unit

It could be as you say considering my experience with p50 and z50 but I wonder why they are the only ones with 3 years warranty

Definitely the best robot with a roller style mop right now, better than the Ecovacs and Eufy. For more details check my comparison table (full Excel file download available!) https://www.reddit.com/r/Dreame_Tech/s/FIuannGgr6

V50 Ultra Is really a good robot with Proleap System and AceClean dryboard but...I would still take the Z50 Ultra just for the way better mopping even though it doesn't have the Proleap System

If mopping is really important "urgent" then definitly the new Dreame Mova Z50 Ultra (mops 2-3 times better than any spinning mop pads). if mopping isn't really important (the robot won't remove stains) than Dreame robots with good self cleaning (they have AceClean 3°generation self-cleaning with reduced maintenance) are: \-Dreame X50 Ultra (expensive) \-Dreame L50 Pro Ultra \-Dreame L40s Pro Ultra \-Dreame L40s Ultra (coming 2025) \-Dreame Mova V50 Ultra (expensive) \-Dreame Mova P50 Pro Ultra \-Dreame Mova P50 Ultra (bad obstacle avoidance) In this case I would probably take the L50 Pro Ultra but it may be to expensive too so the P50 Pro Ultra could be a cheaper good solution. In any case remember to only buy from Amazon to avoid troubles

Mova Z50 Ultra, without an addiction ramp, can only handle thresholds up to 22 mm. So yes, you either NEED a ramp or cancel the order and take a robot like Roborock with Adaptlift or Dreame X50/Mova V50 or Mova Z60 Ultra/Dreame Aqua 10 Pro Track (it has a roller mop but won't arrive soon)

ok... your best option i think that is the mova z50 everyone says that it is really good try it!

If you are in EU pick up and MOVA Z50. We have pets and 3 children floors have never looked cleaner.

Just switched from L40 to Mova Z50 we have also dogs and cat 5 people in the home it does fantastic job with vacuuming and mopping.

I think the Z50 is better in Every way especially the mop. BUT alot of users have had problems with docking. It should be solved now but you could get one of the old units. You can solve it by placing some velcro on the base wheels/ramp...

Small mop has never given us trouble in our house. But we live in 4 year old house no large crossings etc..

Yes it gets cleaned and dried. It is a well tested peace of hardware some roborocks have it.

I now using mova z50 ultra. 1300 free k20 pro with 1year replacement kit. 2years warranty compare to others only have one year. But main point is it's from dreame, and it use on d track mop rather than using 2 spin pad mop. Their customers service was good till they reply within Min No reglad.

From my own exp, I would choose the Mova Z50 ultra again. Cleaning, especially mopping is absolutely insane. And the price is somehow reasonable compared to x50 ultra etc. Smart functions, auto empty, auto mop wash, detergent, side reach, it has it all!

This, but for mopping, personally i would buy the Mova Z50 Ultra again. Crazy good and not that expensive. At least in Europe.

CES 2025 has just debuted several new exciting models. If I were you, I’d wait for them to debut the new models in Australia. The MOVA Z50 Ultra and the Narwal Flow looks like their mopping will be even better than the Eufy S1 Pro (you heard me right). There’s not much available about the Narwal Flow but it has an extending roller mop and uses warm water to mop. The MOVA Z50 ultra has more information available. It uses Dreame’s antitangling TriCut brush (works great with my longhaired corgi and the long hair in my home) and all of Dreame’s good software like its obstacle avoidance (shares same sensor set up as the Dreame X40 Ultra) as it is a sub-brand. What makes it unique from the Dreame X40 ultra is its track type roller mop that can also extend. It mops with 36° water with 18N of pressure and reviews of its closest model, the Z5 Pro, have been nothing short of glowing when it came to mopping. What I am really interested in is that it has an onboard turbidity sensor that looks at how dirty the mop is right before it is washed to determine if areas need deeper mopping, a step above spinning mop models that relied on computer vision and a turbidity sensor in the base station (the turbidity sensor in the Z50 Ultra’s base station is also there to determine if the mop needs to be rewashed).

I do not recommend 3i, given their poor track record with product quality (especially their OEM robots made for Xiaomi and Haier) and implementation of computer vision compared to other brands. Waiting for the new robots to debut at CES is definitely worth it. If you want a robot with a roller mop, perhaps the MOVA Z50 Ultra or the Narwal Flow are good all-rounders. I'll let you know if I find any reviews for these models, as the only one I can judge is the MOVA Z50 Ultra. It shares an almost identical model for the mainland Chinese market called the MOVA Z5 Pro, which only lacks the extending track-type roller mop. From the reviews of the Z5 Pro, the only complaints reviewers had were that it couldn't mop the edges as well since it couldn't extend the mop, but for the areas that the roller mop could touch, it blew the rest of the current competition in the mainland Chinese market away. MOVA is a subbrand of Dreame, so the vacuuming performance, extending side brush, and obstacle avoidance are the same as the Dreame X40 Ultra. The remopping algorithm on the Z5 Pro should be better as it has an internal turbidity sensor checking how dirty the roller mop is to determine if the area currently being mopped needs to be remopped, something I haven't seen on other roller mop models. I'd also recommend roller mop models for its self-cleaning ability while mopping so it relies less on the base station for self cleaning the mops, but it will need the base station to refill its internal water tank. Robots generally struggle with carpet tassels and aren't very good with carpet cleaning, so I'd recommend putting a no-go zone on the tassels. Don't expect the very best for carpet cleaning. iRobot is great at carpet cleaning, but there are too many tradeoffs if your home has a mix of hard floors and carpets and you want reasonable navigation.

Just learned the Z50 Ultra is different from the Z5 Pro. Z5 has a mini mop for side cleaning, but Z50 Ultra has an extending roller mop that looks like it can do nearly 100% coverage. Even so, I think the mopping performance will be very similar. [ Z5 totally destroys the Ecovacs X8 Pro Omni](https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV19tktY2ErP/) [Ecovacs X8 Pro Omni, Z5, and G20S ultra (saros 10r) comparison review](https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/10688480241?utm_psn=1860391779284684800&utm_id=0)

Perhaps suspend the robot on blocks to make the robot think it’s on the ground and measure the temperature while it mops for 5 mins? MOVA Z5 Pro will launch outside mainland China. U/Diego_362 found out the international name will be Z50 Ultra. https://cj.sina.cn/article/norm_detail?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffinance.sina.com.cn%2Ftech%2Froll%2F2025-01-06%2Fdoc-inecznxv3050369.shtml&from=redirect > 美国时间1月7日，高端智能家电品牌MOVA，将携履带外扩和自动换抹布系统等十一大行业首创技术，在CES正式亮相。 > 其中，MOVA扫地机首创了履带外扩技术和自动换抹布系统，在清洁力和智能化上引领行业。履带外扩实现了拖布伸缩功能，做到极致清洁覆盖。该技术让拖布在识别到角落时智能伸出清洁，识别到地毯时智能收回避免打湿毯面。 而自动换抹布系统在基站配备了3种抹布，大大提升了清洁效率。该技术可以根据不同的地面材质和清洁需求，自动安装最适配的抹布，省去手动更换的繁琐。 > MOVA在智能清洁和个护品类上的其余九项首创技术为：扫地机V50 Ultra搭载的双仓清洁系统 24000Pa大吸力；扫地机Z50 Ultra搭载的36°C恒温热活水洗地技术、履带拖布实时蓬松技术、三重AI脏污识别技术；洗地机X4 Pro搭载的80°C 热水洗地、100°C 沸水自清洁、静音AI 智烘技术，以及个护电动牙刷Fresh Pro首创的四维扫振技术。 People can test the robots internationally?

The MOVA Z50 Ultra will mop better, and its ability to swing itself allows the roller mop to reach the wall, making it more effective for edge cleaning. The consumables are also cheaper as you can easily buy them from aliexpress or Taobao.

I don't have enough information regarding the E25/E28's obstacle avoidance performance. MOVA Z50 Ultra's obstacle avoidance mainly seems to be a firmware issue and I think they've fixed it (as with all new dreame/mova models)

I think the MOVA Z50 Ultra should be just as good or better than the Eufy S1 Pro with firmware updates. Currently, toys will be more than alright for the MOVA Z50 Ultra with the debut firmware. The Dreame Aqua 10 Pro Track (currently in Singapore and Taiwan) will have just as good obstacle avoidance as the Narwal Freo Z Ultra.

If in Singapore, mainland China, or Taiwan, I’d go for the Dreame Aqua 10 Pro Track as it’s the most pet friendly robot keeping the onboard fur compression feature and the antitangle dual brushes debuted on the X50 Ultra. My favorite feature would be the duosolution detergent tank where. If in the EU, UK, and Australia, the MOVA Z50 Ultra is a close second and will be able to clean closer to edges if you turn on MopSwing as the edge of the mop is really close to the edge of the robot so there’s a few mm uncovered from the edge.

MOVA Z50 Ultra will be the best combo if you don’t have carpeted rooms and thresholds. It mops even better than the eufy S1 Pro.

I’d wait for the MOVA Z50 Ultra if you’re in the US or Australia. For European and South East Asia markets, these are already available for purchase. The Z50 Ultra will be better than the Ecovacs X8 for mopping and self cleaning.

You need a robot that can at least raise the main and side brushes as you don't want milk to touch the vacuuming compartment at all. The only roller mop models that are capable of this are the MOVA Z50 Ultra and the upcoming Narwal Flow.

The MOVA Z50 Ultra greatly outperforms it when it comes to mopping too…

Pro tip - using vacuumwars exclusively as the only authority on robot vacuums is rather narrow minded so perhaps you should apply your own advice here~ This reviewer tests it with all the “AI” features enabled such as automatic re-mopping an area and rewashing the mops if needed. https://youtu.be/FfGEPVGfHB0 at 12:10, even without an extending roller mop which reduces downward pressure when extended, the MOVA Z50 ultra still greatly outperforms it on wet spills and mopping dried on stains in 41 minutes finishing at 12:49. At 13:37 at about the same time the MOVA Z50 Ultra took to almost mop everything (which should have remopped some areas but this is due to firmware), it’s visually clear that the X9 Pro Omni still had a lot more uncleaned stains https://youtu.be/bZQk5r6Q-vQ In terms of raw mopping, the MOVA Z50 ultra is clearly better. If the firmware for automatic remopping is improved, it’ll be more time efficient at mopping than the x9 pro omni. Vacuumwars did not test the z50 ultra as it is not in the US due to the uncertain trade situation.

Mopping depends on how well it is implemented. Half a centimeter is nothing for most robot vacuums. A centimeter tall carpet will be fine. 1. Yes 2. Most combo robots have the option of vacuuming the carpets first before the mop gets wetted. 3. You can also set it to avoid carpets or ask it to avoid those specific carpets by drawing a no go zone in there. 4. Depends on what you opt into. Visual data collected by robots with an RGB camera are generally processed on the device and aren’t transmitted to the server. If you opt into the robot taking photos of what it deems to be obstacles or taking photos and videos of your pets, the photos and videos it takes will be uploaded into the cloud. Generally, this is encrypted information. By default, these features are disabled. Remote video viewing is also disabled by default. For those privacy conscious , I do not recommend ecovacs. https://www.kaspersky.com.au/blog/ecovacs-robot-vacuums-hacked-in-real-life/34514/ LDS information collected by the infrared camera and infrared light will be uploaded to the cloud whenever it is on so the map is continuously updated and you can check the live location of the robot when it is cleaning. EU customers will have their data stored in a server in Germany. For those very privacy conscious and tech-savvy, Valetudo is an option. This is an irreversible process that will make your robot run locally. Good cost effective models are the Xiaomi X20 Pro and the X20 Max. The best top of the line combo models at the top of your budget that I’d recommend would be the MOVA Z50 Ultra (€999) if you want a robot with a track type roller mop that mops similar to an upright wet dry vacuuming mop machine. This is currently the best robot for those with mostly hard floors. It can also clean spills well too but it’ll take longer than mopping yourself.

There’s the MOVA Z50 Ultra that mops better than the ecovacs X8 and the Eufy S1.

At this moment, there is no robot in the EU that mops better than the Z50 Ultra~

As of all the combo robots on the market, I think the MOVA Z50 Ultra is best for those who have long hair or pets that shed and value mopping as much as vacuuming.

People with long hair will enjoy how it wont tangle in the robot’s main brush

The eufy S1 Pro, Narwal flow, and the MOVA Z60 Ultra/Z50 Ultra are much better at wet messes. Ecovacs has been known to suffer from a lot of issues (check Jamie Andrews’ videos about it).

Dreame’s track type roller mop robot is a huge improvement over the Z50 ultra. QoL: binocular RGB cameras mean it can navigate as smoothly as the Narwal Freo Z and won’t need to go backwards to gauge the distance and size of an obstacle; retracting lidar brings it down to 9.75cm which is shorter than the MOVA Z50 ultra; dustbin and dustbag drying at 50° means no gross stuff like dust mites will grow if you live in a humid environment; ProLeap system on the x50 ultra is here; UV light disinfection for inside the dustbag and mops Vacuuming: it has the new dual brushes and the live fur compression feature, increase in pascal but I don’t think that’s really meaningful but reviews are showing it vacuums well Mopping: much better edge cleaning with the extendable mop even if the pressure decreases when it is extended it is more than enough for a bit of dust on the edges for most homes; there is an onboard water heater that brings the water up to 45°C (the Narwal flow is actually filled with 45°C water so reviewers found the actual temperature when mopping is about 30°C); refillable duo solution tank means it’ll be able to neutralize pet odors (MOVA z50 ultra only has one disposable detergent cartridge) and the frequency of its use can be customized by the user; mop self cleaning is greatly improved with 100°c mop washing (validated by reviews) with a PTC heating strip at the bottom of the mop washing tray. Tradeoffs from X50 Ultra: no more filter self cleaning so it is easier to clog than the dreame and MOVA robots with this feature; spinning mops will reach edges better and can go under toe kicks easier; louder at mopping; can’t remove mop when vacuuming carpets.

I wonder how it compares to the MOVA Z50 Ultra.

None so far other than the MOVA Z50 Ultra, which is the Mova Z5 Pro (currently u/diego_362 's favorite mopping robot). I found Narwal's Freo Flow, but no MOVA V50 Ultra yet.

I wouldn’t recommend the ecovacs X9 pro omni if you are in the EU, SEA, and Singapore. The MOVA Z50 ultra will mop much better and does just as well with fur. If in the US, the eufy E25 and E28 is a good choice. If you’re going to wait, I’d wait for the Dreame Aqua 10 pro track. It mops just as well as the MOVA z50 ultra and the onboard fur compression in the dustbin as it vacuums is pretty effective at best using its dustbin space so it won’t clog as easily.

Pros: Great mopping Can actually mop liquid spills without any of it entering the vacuum compartment and contaminating the brushes unlike other roller mop models Cleans carpets about as well as the X40 Ultra The mopping cleaning logic seems well done. There’s a sensor looking at the top of the mop right before it scrapes the mop that helps the robot decide if it needs to wash the mop at the station and it seems that this sensor worked well with the other sensors and its program. But the same cannot be said about the obstacle avoidance and navigation. Cons: Gets confused Firmware currently needs fixing as obstacle avoidance failed poop test When vacuuming on hard floors, bigger pieces of debris gets held onto by the mops. This is a problem for robots that can’t lift their mops high enough. Carpet performance is similar to the Dreame X40 Ultra My notes: Was expecting the MOVA Z50 ultra to twist its butt so the crawler mop’s sides could at least touch the wall. A MOVA salesperson told me it could do this but it appears to not be the case. If the weird obstacle avoidance gets fixed, I think this will at least bring it up to the same level as the X40/X50 ultra models since they have the same front sensor array. The V50 Ultra was also shown, wondering how that will perform.

Narwal flow’s release seems to have been delayed due to faults discovered by beta testers. I’d recommend waiting for the Dreame Aqua 10 Pro Track if you want to wait. Below is a comparison photo testing how the Narwal Flow (top panels) compares with the Dreame Aqua 10 Pro Track (bottom panels) when cleaning carpet with the optimal carpet settings turned on (cleaning twice in a checkerboard pattern and Narwal flow’s pressurized cleaning head being activated). Dreame’s track type roller mop (which was fine tuned over time with MOVA’s G20, G30, and the Z50 Ultra) also seems to be the leading solution since it can exert 18N of pressure when mopping (the most exerted by a roller mop robot and MOVA Z50 Ultra does the same) and can mop with warm water thanks to an onboard water heater heating it up to 45°C (Narwal’s 36°C claim is from the warm water filled at the station). https://preview.redd.it/ej07u60mjk5f1.jpeg?width=1436&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d20f83c2d8b38f54734ef4980fa94c1ff31bde87 Since you live in a home that is rather dusty, I’d check out the dreame L40S Ultra, L40S Pro Ultra, L/X50 Ultra and the MOVA V50 Ultra for the filter self cleaning function when autoemptying. Due to size constraints and the addition of a track type roller mop, the Dreame Aqua 10 Pro Track uses a different autoempty system and lacks the filter self cleaning function. If there’s a threshold higher than 3cm, I’d recommend the MOVA V50 Ultra, Dreame X50 Ultra, and the Dreame Aqua 10 Pro Track. If choosing between the MOVA V50 Ultra and the Dreame X50 Ultra, the MOVA V50 Ultra is the better flagship for near-identical models as the vacuuming performance was improved over the x50 Ultra and has the duosolution detergent tank which is well suited for homes needing odors to neutralize since there’s another tank for odor neutralizing detergent. The fact that it can dry the dustbin and dustbag is also a plus for mildew control. The mopping has been improved with tilting mop pads (up to 5°) to automatically adjust to the floor level and can spin up to 260RPM over the X50’s maximum of 180RPM if it detects a liquid or dried on mess. If you want a roller mop robot right now, the eufy E25/E28 or the MOVA Z50 Ultra is a good choice. The MOVA Z50 Ultra will mop more thoroughly though and will know when to clean its mops better with the onboard turbidity sensor facing the mop. If you want to compare the MOVA Z50 Ultra to the Dreame Aqua 10 Pro Track, the Dreame Aqua 10 Pro Track should be slightly better for raw mopping performance (only difference is warmer water when mopping), better edge cleaning with an extendable mop (still not as good as spinning mops which is common for roller mop robots with an extending mop), better at antitangling with the double anti tangle brushes (both models’ mop scrapers are comb shaped to help with any potential tangles and I haven’t seen this on roller mop robots from other brands), much better self cleaning (100°C mop cleaning with a PTC plate, dustbin and dustbag drying, and the duosolution tank), better vacuuming, much better obstacle avoidance from the binocular RGB cameras that avoids obstacles without needing to backtrack like all other Dreame and MOVA models and it seems Dreame’s obstacle avoidance is now on par with the Narwal Freo z based on Chinese KOL reviews, and much better obstacle climbing with the ProLeap system .

Roborock isn’t as good as other brands when it comes to poop avoidance. Dreame, Eufy S1 pro, and Narwal are much better at this. MOVA is a subbrand of dreame. Narwhal Freo Z ultra Narwal flow should be better for carpets though but the lack of any hair tangle measures on the mop is an issue considering how the MOVA Z50 Ultra which mops great and works great with long hair with similar poop avoidance performance has combs to help with hair tangles on the mop. Eufy also doesn’t have very good carpet cleaning and as good edge cleaning compared to the previous two An all rounder should be the dreame X50 Ultra for fur compression if there are heavy shedders or the dreame x40 ultra/ MOVA P10 Pro Ultra if the main issue is mainly just long hair.

For really really good mopping, go for the MOVA Z50 Ultra or the Narwal Flow. For a good all rounder, the x40 ultra or the x50 ultra.

Roller mops but not all roller mops are made the same. MOVA Z50 Ultra > Eufy S1 Pro > ecovacs X8 and any of its equivalent models > switchbot No data on ecovacs X9, Narwal Flow, and other niche robots.

This is definitely not exclusive on the ecovacs X9 pro omni. Ecovacs is late to this feature. Models that can do this well: Dreame’s L/X40 Ultra and newer (assuming there’s an RGB camera), Narwal Freo Z Ultra; Roborock Saros series and CurvX, MOVA P10 Pro Ultra, P50 Pro Ultra, Z50 Ultra, V50 Ultra

Eufy is not mentioned because it does not have this capability. Best mopping: Dreame Aqua 10 Pro Track and the MOVA Z50 Ultra has the best raw mopping performance. If your pets are stinky, the Dreame Aqua 10 Pro Track or the MOVA V50 Ultra will be my recommendation as it has the duosolution detergent tank which means it can use a special odor neutralizing solution or your regular floor cleaning solution based on your preferences set in the app. The MOVA V50 Ultra does mop better than the Dreame X50 Ultra because it can spin its mops up to 260rpm when it detects dried on stains and liquids and because it has a new mop pad holder that basically has suspension as it can go up 2mm and down 1mm downwards and tilt up to 5° to put as even pressure as possible on uneven floors. Honorable mention: Narwal Freo Z Ultra. Shame it cannot lift its side brushes. Variable mopping pressure of 8-12N but pales in comparison to the 18N of mopping pressure by the Dreame Aqua 10 Pro Track and the MOVA Z50 Ultra. Best software for detecting liquids and appropriately dealing with them: Dreame L/X40 and newer including the Aqua 10 pro track based on reviews. The MOVA Z50 ultra and the other MOVA models mentioned are also pretty good too at detecting liquids. Previously mentioned Roborock and Narwal models also seem to do well. I think all the models I mentioned should be on par for automatic remopping. Hardware: All models I mentioned should have a solid build quality.

good roller mop models don’t need a few passes to make a real dent in a muddy paw print!

For those in the EU, SEA, and soon to be Australia, a really good all-rounder would be the MOVA Z50 Ultra, as it'll vacuum about as well as the Dreame X40 Ultra, has anti-tangle functions like the TriCut brush, and has anti-tangling combs on its track-type roller mop. It beats the X8 Pro Omni and the Eufy S1 Pro when it comes to mopping.

If your cutie patootie is likely to make messes that robots shouldn’t touch (poop, vomit), robots with a good obstacle avoidance software + RGB camera will be best suited but will generally be more expensive. Since golden retrievers shed a lot, I’d recommend the Dreame L40S Pro Ultra at 1999 since it’s basically the dreame X50 ultra if you don’t need it to cross thresholds higher than 2.2cm and need a retracting lidar. I recommend this combo model (and some other dreame/MOVA models) for fur because of the onboard fur compression feature that compresses the fur in the dustbin as it vacuums so it won’t get as clogged as easily. If you want it to mop best, the MOVA z50 ultra is a great choice at 2199 AUD with the best mopping and will be the best roller mop for hair since the comb-shaped scrapers are best suited to deal with hair tangles.

After daily vacuuming then mopping, my hardwood floors became notably softer and had a shine. I’d recommend robots with roller mops or spinning mops. For roller mop robots, I’d recommend the eufy S1 (Pro), eufy E25/E28, MOVA Z50 Ultra, and the Narwal Flow. All of these robots except for the eufy E25/E28 will have good obstacle avoidance. For spinning mop robots, I’d recommend dreame/MOVA robots with the AceClean/jetspray dryboard, the Narwal Freo line with an all in one base station, the roborock qrevo line. If obstacle avoidance is important, I’d consider the Dreame L40S Pro Ultra, L/X50 Ultra and the Narwal Z/Z10 Ultra.

Roborock has an easier app to use for new users. Both apps are feature rich. It’ll be easier to maintain as there’s less to do and the mop pad washing tray is completely removable. The MOVA Z50’s mop pad cleaning tray is also completely removable too. The MOVA Z50 has a slightly bigger dustbin at 300mL. The Saros 10R has a smaller dustbin at 270mL. If your home has thresholds up to 3cm, the Saros 10R will easily deal with it. Both deal with hair and fur just fine. The Saros 10R will be able to mop into corners better because it uses spinning mops. The MOVA Z50 Ultra can be set to swing its mop so the roller mop, which goes to the edges, can go near the edges. I think the MOVA Z50 Ultra will be able to get into tile grout better because of the mop fluffer.

The Z50 Ultra will have better mopping due to its increased surface area with the ground, higher force exerted by the mop at 18N, and the use of warm water (36ºC) to mop, which is heated up in the robot. It can also mop only and has a mopping feature just for mopping up spills like water puddles in the bathroom. It has better edge mopping if you ask it to swing the roller mop along the edges or ask it to just lower the mini spinning mop when going against edges. It is technically smarter when it comes to deciding when to rewash its mops, using a camera to detect the mop's level of dirtiness and a turbidity sensor in the base station for smart remopping/rewashing the mop. For those with long hair, this robot is currently better for anti-tangling on the mop because of the combs on the roller mop, but both robots have anti-tangle main brushes. For self-cleaning, it'll also flush the onboard dirty water tank with clean water. But this robot has a tendency to catch things on its mop when just vacuuming. I think the E25 has a better-looking base station.

You’d definitely want your robot to clean frequently. I run mine twice a day. Dreame L40S Pro Ultra is 1799 at JB HIFI and will clean just as well if there are no thresholds up to 2.4cm. QRevo edge will be better for higher thresholds up to 3cm. However, the MOVA z50 ultra will mop much better than both models.

In Singapore, I’d totally recommend the Dreame Aqua 10 Pro Track Ultra if you want heated mopping and the vacuuming performance from the MOVA V50 Ultra and the mopping from the MOVA Z50 Ultra.

Mopping: Dreame Aqua 10 Pro track ≈ MOVA Z50 Ultra > Narwal flow (tentatively) >≈ eufy E25/E28 > eufy S1 Pro ≈ ecovacs x8/x9/t80

The S9 should vacuum better than the Narwal Freo Z Ultra. NarWal’s main strength is in mopping so it seems they’ve made tradeoffs where their mopping is market leading but their vacuuming isn’t compared to other flagships. For dreame/MOVA’s obstacle avoidance, I’ll say they’ve been pretty good since the X/L30 Ultra.

It definitely can happen. Ecovacs seems more prone to this than eufy or MOVA.

Sadly the MOVA Z50 ultra was perfectly at around 2000 at JB HIFI and Harvey Norman (I’d choose Harvey Norman for easy returns since this is what AU consumers told me whereas JB HIFI needs to confirm with the manufacturer) for the EOFY sale but now it’s 2999

I'd definitely choose the MOVA Z50 Ultra: I genuinely don't know if robocleaners.com is an authorized MOVA distributor as purchasing from an unauthorized distributor can void your warranty. Perhaps u/Your_MOva_Guru will know :) It offers the best mopping out of all the roller and track-type roller mops currently on the market. It's also great with long dog hair, as this is the only roller mop with comb scrapers that can help with the fur tangling around the mop, whereas other roller mops can have hair and fur tangle around them (especially the ecovacs with roller mops). The brush is also rather anti-tangle as it uses the Dreame TriCut brush, which has worked great for my long-haired corgi. There are still some flaws, but I think those flaws won't apply to you since your home has hard floors and it doesn't seem it'll vacuum large debris (as large debris likes to stick onto the mop instead of getting vacuumed.

I’d recommend the MOVA Z50 ultra for dog drool. This person used the Dreame Aqua 10 Pro Track to deal with their corgi’s drool. The only difference between the Dreame Aqua 10 pro track and the MOVA Z50 Ultra’s mopping is that the heated mopping water is hotter at 45°C on the dreame instead of 36°C on the MOVA which both robots heat up onboard with a mini water heater and the Dreame has an extending mop. Both exert 18N of mopping pressure. https://preview.redd.it/jqwa88oz3faf1.png?width=1440&format=png&auto=webp&s=098427fe8d99a4646691940c4024c785023028fc

For a vacuum only robot you could get the Dyson VisNav 360 which is the best robot vacuum when only vacuuming performance is considered. For a combo robot, the MOVA z50 ultra would be a great mopper.

MOVA's Z50 Ultra is even better than the Eufy S1 Pro at mopping and performs decently with hair as it has a 300mL dustbin and the Dreame Tricut brush, which has worked well in my home with long hair and a long-haired corgi. I'd get this from Harvey Norman (with a protection plan for easy returns/replacement). JB HIFI seems to be harder with returns as users report JB HIFI needing to confirm with the manufacturer. Unfortunately, the good EOFY sale price of about 2000 AUD is now gone and it now sells at 3000 (ouch..), and no official plumbing kit is sold in Australia (get it from aliexpress or Taobao). If there's no threshold taller than 2.2 cm in your home, I'd check out the L40s Pro Ultra, which is essentially the Dreame X50 Ultra without the enhanced threshold crossing and retractable LIDAR. However, the battery life on the X50 Ultra and the L40s Pro Ultra isn't that good compared to the older Dreame models and the MOVA Z50 Ultra... As for food, I'm afraid no robot can sufficiently take care of this without making a mess you have to clean up. But good ones should identify food that isn't crumbs and avoid it, and tell you so in the app. The Narwal Freo Z Ultra will have the best smart cleaning mode and arguably the best robot mopper with spinning mops, but is rather water inefficient for larger homes, so connecting it to your plumbing is basically a must.

Hair management: Dreame X50 Ultra wins with fur compression. MOVA’s TriCut brush works great too. I have a long haired corgi and the TriCut brush works just fine with no tangles over 700 hours. Dreame’s dustbin is 395mL and MOVA’s is 300mL which is the same volume as the Dreame X40 ultra. I’d check how the dustbin is after every room for the first cleaning. You can run the Z50 to vacuum twice a day and mop once or even twice a day. TriCut doesn’t do as well for fur pickup on carpets compared to the dual brush on the X50 though. I don’t think both robots can get onto your shag rug and clean it well. True automation: Both robots have all in one base stations that autoempty, wash, and dry the mops. X50 cleans its own filter when autoemptying and the aceclean dryboard is easy to clean and cleans itself very well. The Z50 ultra has a removable mop pad cleaning tray, if I’m not mistaken. The Z50’s onboard dirty water tank will have to be cleaned but it also sprays the inside of the tank with clean water to prevent buildup. Maybe rinsing it once every two weeks would be good. Mopping: Z50 wins if you don’t need to mop super close to the edges. You can set the Z50 to shake its butt against the wall so the roller mop can get closer.

I have a Xiaomi robot made by dreame that uses the same dustbin as the X40 ultra. This is how much fur it gets every morning. https://preview.redd.it/9edw1042217f1.jpeg?width=1600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=923a84c91ae678589d54fe338015c0071d0835ed I’d recommend buying the Z50 Ultra from JB HIFI or Harvey Norman and trying the twice a day routine for a week and see if the fur in the dustbin levels out. I think the suction level above normal suction should be fine. If the robot can’t handle it, I’d change to the X50 ultra or the L40S Pro Ultra.

If the threshold crossing and retracting lidar doesn’t matter, the L40S Pro Ultra is cheaper at 1799 with a slightly smaller battery at 5200 mah.

Either the Eufy E28, which is good at avoiding cat vomit, or up your budget to the MOVA Z50 Ultra, which mops much better than the ecovacs models and is better at avoiding cat vomit and can increase suction when it sees cat litter (you need to set this in the app).

Also, if you're okay with waiting, I'd recommend waiting for the MOVA Z50 Ultra to come down in price when the Z60 Ultra is released.

Z50 is going to be a much better mopping robot than the ecovacs and eufy robots with a roller mop but recent widespread complaints about it having issues docking scare me…. As for the p10 pro ultra and p50 pro ultra, the main difference is the self cleaning mop washboard (p50 has less nooks and crannies to clean) and the p50 pro ultra can leave the mops behind in the base station.

If it’s all hard floors, I’d keep the Z50 ultra for its much better mopping. The main selling point of the P50 is that it’s an x40 ultra with the JetSpray dryboard.

The only drawbacks of the z50 is mainly the docking issue but I hope it doesn’t happen.

The MOVA z50 is a better mopper but also it was at 2000 AUD during EOFY sales so I’d wait for sales on this model. There’s also a widespread docking issue that some say can be fixed by adding adhesive tape to the base.

1. It really depends on your purchasing region. Costco is a popular choice given its generous return policy but choices are rather limited compared to buying from Amazon which has an easy return policy within 30 days. For other purchasing regions, buying from a reputable retailer with a good return policy and an optional protection plan would be good. In Australia, I heard Harvey Norman is nicer with returns compared to JB HIFI. 2. The robots with the best self cleaning will be Dreame’s L/X50 Ultra/L40S Ultra/Pro Ultra and MOVA’s V50 Ultra P50S Ultra > MOVA’s P50 Ultra/ Pro Ultra > Roborock’s models that have spinning mops with the Multifunctional Dock 3.0 (roborock models with a vibrating mop have a washboard that is more difficult to clean as you can’t remove it) ≈ Narwal Freo models (completely detachable base) > Dreame’s models with the mop-driven wiper mop washboard (cleaning the wiper washboard is rather difficult since there’s too many nooks and crannies and you’d still have to get down to clean the areas the wipers can’t reach) > other combo robots with an all in one base station As for combo robots with roller mops and have an all in one base station, the washboard is generally flat with a few grooves so it’s pretty easy to clean. I believe most of their washboards are removable. However, it’ll require more cleaning in the mop compartment and dirty water tank. Most roller mop models have an annoying cylindrical component which drives the roller mop like an upright wet dry vacuum but you can’t remove or move it to give it a deeper clean even if gunk is stuck on it. The only combos that are close to the level of self cleaning for spinning mop models are Dreame’s Aqua 10 Pro track, the MOVA Z50 Ultra, and the Narwal Flow since both have self-cleaning mechanisms that are made to also clean the dirty water tank and the mop compartment while also having a very easy to clean mop compartment since the thing that moves the mops is also completely removable. If you want to support a US startup, you could look at the Matic since it’s a vacuum and mop robot but taking care of it looks rather easy since it lacks a base station. The maintenance involved is replacing the bag, refilling the water with a cleaning solution of choice, occasionally cleaning the roller mop, the roller mop filter, cleaning the brush roller and de clogging the mop tubes if needed.

Obstacle avoidance and toy detection: MOVA Z50 Ultra and V50 ultra For hard floors, the mop will help remove any embedded dust so vacuuming performance is equal on hard floors unless you want to look with a microscope. For carpets: i think ecovacs X9 is better at vacuuming fine dust > MOVA v50 > MOVA z50. For hair, they’ll all do well. Mopping performance: MOVA Z50 ultra > ecovacs x9 pro omni > MOVA v50 ultra Maintenance and self cleaning from easiest to hardest: MOVA v50 ultra > MOVA z50 ultra > ecovacs x9 pro omni. Even though both MOVA z50 and ecovacs X9 have roller mops, the MOVA z50 ultra mop compartment is much easier to clean as the part that rotates the mop is completely removable allowing for better access to clean whereas the ecovacs x9 has a cylinder that rotates the mop and cannot be in contact with water and also cannot be removed. Only the MOVA z50 will make some attempt to clean the onboard dirty water tank which generally works better at keeping itself clean than the ecovacs. MOVA v50 uses spinning mops so an onboard water tank is not needed.

Overall convenience: both MOVA v50 and z50 have much better navigation because it has a lidar tower to see 360° whereas the ecovacs x9 only has an embedded lidar to see about 110-120°. The ecovacs app still hasn’t fixed its room boundary issue. Other robot vacuum apps don’t have this issue. For some strange reason, the x9 doesn’t allow you make it mop only. It only lets you vacuum first then mop. Other robot vacuum combo brands allow for this with their newer models.

Also, I haven’t found the ecovacs x9 pro omni in white :( https://www.ecovacs.com/us/deebot-robotic-vacuum-cleaner/deebot-x9-pro-omni

Every robot has its own advantages and disadvantages; there's no absolutely perfect robot. I wouldn't recommend ecovacs' roller mop for cleaning into tile grout. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIcUNWO9Y0Q](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIcUNWO9Y0Q) (it simply doesn't exert enough downwards pressure) The MOVA Z50 Ultra will be better suited for tile grouts since it has warm water mopping, the mop fluffing gear can help refluff the mop (I touched the similar Aqua 10 Pro Track's mop and it is very very plush) so it could reach into grout better, and the 18N of pressure means it'll be better for mopping. As for the MOVA V50 Ultra, I don't think so. Although the Flexipress mop is suitable for uneven flooring, it doesn't effectively clean grout because the lines are too small for the mop pad holder to tilt meaningfully. It doesn't mop with warm water, it only fills the onboard clean water tank with warm water to mainly activate the detergent's enzyme (if you put it in the clean water tank). Hence, I'd recommend the MOVA Z50 Ultra

Yes. Mova Z50.

Vacuuming: Mova V50 > Mova Z60 > eufy E25 or E28 or Narwal Flow > Mova Z50 > Ecovacs Deebot X8 or T80 / Yeedi S14 > Ecovacs Deebot X9. Mopping: Mova Z60 or Ecovacs Deebot X8, X9, or T80 / Yeedi S14 > Mova Z50 > eufy E25 or E28 > Narwal Flow > Mova V50.

I disagree. These suction power ratings are always an indication of actual performance. They might not be perfect, since other factors exist, but they are an indication. Reviews are subjective (some don't even use the highest settings). Suction power isn't. If your 2000 Pa robot has much better floor pick-up than your 12000 Pa robot, something's wrong with your 12000 Pa robot. My 20000 Pa eufy Omni E25 has better hard floor pick-up performance than my 19000 Pa Mova Z50 and my 18000 Pa Mova P50 Pro Ultra and Ecovacs Deebot T80.

The eufy Omni E25 vacuums better, but my Mova Z50 mops better and has better navigation and support. Mova Z50 > eufy Omni E25 > Mova P50 Pro Ultra.

I use dreame L40 Ultra. It can mop your house the way your parquets are aligned. X50 would be over kill you don't even have carpets. I'm happy with mine. Check roborock too. They are solid too. X50 can lower it's turret I believe saros Roborock can do the same. X50 can detect water spills and stop vacuuming. L40 Ultra can't. Mova (sub brand of dreame) z50 Ultra can also suck water if you spilled. I think it's an amazing feature lol. Even avoiding a pond of water is enough for me. Because water kills the motor. But mova has a rolling mop not a circular one. Nice house BTW

Mova Z50X Ultra is better than x40 because it can suck water from your tiles. 400 euros more for hiding the cap and some other little features I'm not sure.. You can buy a fridge for 400 eur or a portable AC.. I would say don't spend too much. It's just a robot. I'm super happy with my L40 Ultra actually.

Australian Sheperd owner here. I’ve just bought the Mova Z50 Ultra and im really impressed. Before i had to vacuum everyday by myself now i just do it once a week for deepcleaning.

Hey mate just checking if you bought a z50?

Not yet 😅😅 but just got a deal from JB for 1999

Had a look at it in person yesterday, container lock didn’t feel great, seems like it could break pretty easily.

Hey mate just got a z50 today for 1950 from JB.

They gave me for 1999 online and I went to local store and asked for a deal again 😅 was saying they couldn’t go down less than 1995 but asked him to ask for a manager and agreed for 1950.

Wow, thousands thanks mate 🙏you saved me from my hustle and led me to the right path 👋 wasn't aware the z50 has warm water cleaning, was rejected early by some negative test points on it... But diving deeper into it: you're absolutely right with your recommendation.. just purchased it 🎉👋

Followed farconcern's advice for the Z50, there the eovacs seem to not create enough down pressure...

Hi all! I’m looking to finally upgrade my roborock S5 max and I’m torn between the Mova P50 and the Z50. The Z50 is €130 more expensive than the P50 (499.00) My situation: • Floors: all tiles and laminate (no carpets) • 3 floors to clean (I’ll be carrying it between floors) • Main priorities: would like to walk barefoot, easy to maintain. Has anyone here used either of these models? Is the Z50 worth the extra cost , or would the P50 be enough for my needs? I do have both of them currently and can return one. The z50 I have don’t seem to have the dock issue. Should I move away from Mova? Thanks for any insight!

My unit never had an issue returning to the base. Unless it develops the issue later, I think they fixed it.

Apart form the mop, in what the Z50 is better? Reading the features they seems to be very similar, for example, same suction power.

Been using mova z50 ultra for a couple months now, can confirm, theyre fantastic.

[https://youtu.be/jHAxW8xHZWc](https://youtu.be/jHAxW8xHZWc) The Mova Z50 has one of the worst vacuuming results I have ever seen despite having a lot of fancy features.

This! Going with best bang for your buck makes the most sense. And since OP has a large home 180sq.m, the ability to hook up clean and dirty water directly really makes it hands off. For that size you would probably get 2-3 mopping cycles before you have to change water and making that hands off is really convenient. In terms of brands i lean to Dreame / Mova. I liked using these better than ecovacs. The Mova z50 if its available in your region is worth looking at. Great suction, roller mop and corner mop as well, this is probably similar to the dreame aqua track but at probably half the price.

I had thought about him too, but: 1) I noticed that the lidar sensor does not recognize objects well on very thick and not smooth carpets; 2) I noticed that the track roll does not allow you to clean the dirt between the tile joints well, which Mova and Eufy do well (especially the former); 3) there has been a downgrade of the base which no longer has an auto-dispenser for detergent, touch controls and no electrolytic sterilization of the water. 4) on the software side there is no possibility of making it go to a wet area first with the floor cleaner and then go back with the vacuum, nor does it vacuum well near the feet of chairs and tables or desks; 5) the extensible propellers are missing during the suction phase to capture the crumbs at the edges (paradoxically you get there during the washing phase, but not during the suction phase). When they resolve at least points 3 and 5, perhaps with an "ultra" version, I will be convinced to take it. To date it still seems the best to me but in the rankings I am very close to Narwal Flow and Mova Z50 Ultra. My ranking: 1) Narwal flow 2) Mova Z50 ultra 3) Eufy S1 pro

This looks like a solid upgrade for Eufy, but I don't think it will beat the Mova Z50 Ultra.

You answered your own question. Mova products routinely drop $200 off MSRP. At the same price, there's no way I'd choose Eufy over Mova (Dreame) for a robot vacuum. The Z50 Ultra has hot water mopping, which is way better for cleaning.

I'm not positive what Mova is doing. My friend has more connections with them and Dreame than I do. They have not reached out to me yet, but I can confirm Dreame will have a very similar model as I have seen the marketing materials for it. It will be based on the X50. When I look at Mova for the US it is just clones of existing Dreame models. Dreame is not going to let Mova outshine them kinda like Yeedi and Ecovacs.

Alright then if you don’t mind about the maintenance on the S1 pro then it doesn’t get better than that mopping wise. You could also check S1 which has a bit worse obstacles avoidance than the pro and it’s a bit cheaper. Another one with roller mop is the Z50 from mova. They have excellent price per value. Another one with roller is ecovacs X9 or E25 and E28. IMO I would stay away from ecovacs their navigation app and mapping history has been shit through the years, it’s somewhat better now but you still see people with those issues.

Not sure why the obsession with mopping the edges, but the Mova Z50 has a small extra roller on the side for edge. And the X9 extends the roller to the edge.

IMO avoid ecovacs, they have tons of app and navigation issues. There a hundreds of posts on Reddit about it and they have really bad track record of it. On vacuumwars is the number one because they test it for half a day and then it goes to the closet and onto the next vacuum, hence that YouTuber is barely a starting point. E25 has no mop only option which for several people is crucial, the vacuum rollers get the dirt stick to them, they suck humidity and the hepa filter gets clogged easier, etc. Master has no antitangling rollers I would recommend Mova Z50 with mopping roller or V50 with a bit more effective antitangling vacuum roller but has spinning pads. On Roborock QRevo Curv or Edge are sweet spot of value on their lineup, spinning pads and excellent antitangling. For Dreame probably the L40s Pro ultra is a good not so expensive option. For Narwal Z Freo Ultra they have really good spinning pads applying good pressure on the floor and the vacuum roller is excellent anti tangling. The only con for me is the lack of onboard water tank which makes it go back often to the station.