Narwal - Flow

I’m in a similar boat (US based) with extensive hardwood floors and scattered low pile area rugs. 2 young children and plenty of long hair to vacuum. Bought the S1 Pro in 11/2024 - clearly outdated by the robot vac/mop updated by all brands in 2025. Hands-off and accurate navigation, thorough maintenance mopping (not 3 day old ketchup as the marketing tests love), and corner/edge vacuuming are the biggest priorities. I’m ordering the MOVA Z60 for the 9/16 release - $1199 w/ 3 yr warranty is attractive. Don’t think the price will be lower than that even w/ Black Friday/Christmas. I’m tempted by the Eufy S2 Pro as well - the water ionization is honestly more a gimmick, and the seemingly similar large dirty water tank is still there - and it’s my least favorite thing about the S1. But the vacuum tech is upgraded in addition to extending side brush. Narwal Flow I think is also a reasonable option - but the fact that they will likely release the upgraded version after 1/2026 makes me hesitant. The pre-order for $1090 w/ 3 yr warranty and extra accessories pack was a steal though.

FWIW - I have the MOVA V50 as well (in addition to an S1 Pro). GREAT robot vac/mop albeit w/ extendable spinning pads. Mapping/navigation for me has been excellent. The battery drainage is suboptimal but manageable - I’ve heard the Z60 does a better job w/ battery consumption. As for the Z60, I’m not picky about a self-cleaning dirty water tank especially if it’s small, removable, and easy to access (rear of Z60). I also prefer the retractable/extending LIDAR format of the Dreame/MOVA brands over the Narwal Flow. The Flow seems like a good robot esp w/ the track style, just not sure in my reality of 2-3 scheduled mop sessions weekly that the track will outperform the roller to any notable degree. The track pads (Dreame/MOVA) have been implemented and marketed heavily in Asian markets as well, where I’m sure there’s generally more tiled and hard flooring (vs. carpets, hardwood, and engineered hard floors common in the US market).

I'd recommend the Flow from your list, sticky spills and hair it handles really well

Switchbot has really good Matter integration, but horrible vacuums. I just set up a Narwal Flow and love it and (take this part with a grain of salt) it's supposed to get a Matter update next month.

I have an ancient Shark vacuum that takes a running start and ramps the threshold just fine (though very aggressive and loud, that’s a slow “yes” to answer your question.) I am now running a Narwal Flow daily and it’s fun to watch it stick its little feet up and waddle over the same threshold much more gracefully.

Just got mine set up and ran it through a few different modes to test it out. It uses a ton of water in the Freo Mind AI mode, but it has been incredibly impressive overall.

Narwal flow with the automatic refill and drainage system. There is absolutely no equal on the market.

I really enjoyed using my Narwal Flow for mopping; it did a fantastic job! However, I ran into trouble with the vacuuming feature when it came to my high-pile carpets. It seemed like the vacuum just couldn’t handle the thickness, often sinking in and dragging the mop along. This extra drag made it get stuck quite a bit on the carpet. If you have low-pile carpets, I think this vacuum would work wonderfully for you. Unfortunately, I had to send mine back because, at that price, I expected it to perform well on both carpets and hard floors.

Narwal Is the only robot that even attempts to clean the baseboard but the only thing the frio z or x does is run a muff along it. It doesn't actually clean. It's a duster. And the frio x and z have some other problems. Notably they are water hogs and you have to refill the water all the time. After every single run.

Between the two, no question, the Flow is better (I tested both). Still, neither beats the 3i S10 Ultra, and I think they're both on par with the Saros 10/10r. I know everyone wants roller mops to be the end all be all, but so far, they're good, but didn't blow my mind.

# [Under $300](https://amzn.to/48R0G4J) Generally speaking, I think its rare you find a great robot at this price, and I've discussed why there's some sense in [not spending the money on real discount robots](https://www.whatrobotvacuumshouldiget.com/2025/06/20/are-budget-robot-vacuums-worth-buying/). Still... there are a few gems worth looking at, as more expensive models drop under this threshold. If you've got a smaller place, or a place with many floor objects, try a Switchbot. Because they're so small, they can get between chair legs and make a small radius around things. Switchbot just doesn't get enough attention, IMO. Lots of people purchased the K10+ Pro on my recommendation during Prime Day and have posted about how happy they are. The 11 made the tower smaller and improved some other specs, but is mostly the same model. The perfect apartment, studio, or office vac. Performs spectacularly well as a vacuum, particularly given the price and stats, but it is ONLY a vacuum. If you're more concerned about a mop, get the 3i. (its great at both, to be clear, but it has the best mop of the bunch). I really like the 3i brand, they're not new, they've been making robots for other companies for years. The G10 is stripped down from premium models, but it had the same sweeper>roller design that is so effective on the higher end models. If you're looking for a carpet forward model, Eureka is the only legacy vacuum brand that successfully transitioned to robots that work. While no brand has great customer service anymore, there's a benefit to Eureka being US based. No waiting 24 hours for a response. |**Model**|**Original Price**|**BDD Price**|**Discount**| |:-|:-|:-|:-| |[SwitchBot Robot Vacuum K11+](https://amzn.to/4mOxq1O)|399.99|224.99|44%| |[3i G10+](https://amzn.to/48znS7N)|$449.99|$269.99|40%| |[Eureka E20 Plus](https://amzn.to/4mOwQBd)|449.99|299.99|33%| # [Under $500](https://amzn.to/4o4MPMA) Were seeing some amazing deals in this price band. That L40 Ultra has dropped from the original price of $1499 to under $500. So many people have been grabbing this model since Prime Day and most of them report being quite happy. While it wouldn't have been my favorite at a higher price, at this price, you're getting a premium model at an absurd sale price. I absolutely love the 3i current line up. The vacuum and mop are both fantastic and the app-easy. This is basically my top pick (3i S10 Ultra) minus the dehumidifier. The P10 still has the great sweep/roller design and gets up debris no other brand can without getting clogged. Get this one if you're concerned about larger debris. The Eureka is better than it should be. I loved the sweeper design, it moved debris off hard floors and carpet very effectively and would be my pick for carpet. Rarely got stuck on anything or reported errors, and it was just really reliable. I recommended this model during Prime Day, and got a lot of good feedback from folks who picked it up. |**Model**|**Original Price**|**BDD Price**|**Discount**| |:-|:-|:-|:-| |[Dreame L40 Ultra](https://amzn.to/48Rswhk)|$799.99|$469.99|41%   | |[Eureka J15 Ultra](https://amzn.to/4gUYACY)|699.99|489.99|30%| |[3i P10 Ultra](https://amzn.to/4h1Sy3y)|$1,099.99|$469.99|55%| # [Under $750](https://amzn.to/4nypaUV) Roborock has won my loyalty over the past few years by producing consistently reliable robots, and the S5A is no different. A variant of the Qrevo line, with spinning mop heads that extend. While Roborock may produce an absurd number of models, and the S5A is no exception, they are reliable for an exceptional app experience, with intuitive setting locations, great support and good hardware with easy to find replacement parts. The L40S is the best of both worlds. A premium vac, at a not premium price for now. This is the model with the best balance on this list, of vacuum and mop. It improves over the L40 in the previous band with better nav and suction. Finally, if you want to emphasize mopping, Narwal does it really well. My two issues w this model are that it uses a ridiculous amount of water and there's a giant button on top of the machine your pet or kid will want to bop. If you don't mind refilling a lot, and you dig into the settings to lock the button (or don't have kids/pets) this is ideal. |**Model**|**Original Price**|**BDD Price**|**Discount**| |:-|:-|:-|:-| |[Narwal Freo Z Ultra (White Version)](https://amzn.to/46IEhUI)|$1,499.99|$550.00|63%| |[Roborock Qrevo Edge S5A](https://amzn.to/46ZYXI5)|$999.99|$649.99|35%| |[Dreame L40s Ultra](https://amzn.to/4o5ARCv)|$1,099.99|$749.99|32%| # [Under $900 ](https://amzn.to/4oad9oS) From the day it was released, I thought the Curv was a steal, most of the premium features of the S8 line, at a better price with improvements to the sweeps, extending out beyond the robot. The CurvX improves on the Curv with higher Pa and better nav. I do think its a better vacuum than mop. The X9 is a better mop than vacuum. but other than getting clogged here and there, was generally a good vacuum, and this is a reasonable price for it. Eureka is the best surprise this year. The J15 line is consistent and reliably performing. I love the sweeps, its a very effective mop and carpet cleaner and offers US based support. |**Model**|**Original Price**|**BDD Price**|**Discount**| |:-|:-|:-|:-| |[Ecovacs x9 Pro Omni](https://amzn.to/46CySzK)|$1,599.00|$899.00|44%| |[Eureka J15 Max Ultra](https://amzn.to/46UkK3x)|1199.99|$899.00|25%| |[Roborock Qrevo CurvX](https://amzn.to/48PvS4j)|$1,499.99|$899.99|40%| # [Over $900 ](https://amzn.to/48OKBMY) In this band are my top two recommendations. Let's start with my favorite robot of all time (a BIG statement). 3i has been making robots for other brands for a while, but the 3i is their first flagship. The S10 Ultra blew me away and became the only robot I've ever kept after testing. It will vacuum anything, without getting stuck or clogged. I mean, giant pieces of mulch. No problem. It cleans water on its own and generates more from the air, so it truly is set it and forget it. Totally autonomous. I've been yapping about it for months, and of everyone who bought it during Prime Day, I'd say people were split, 60/40. Most loved it, but some complained of a musty smell, which makes sense, since the unit is basically a dehumidifier (that's how it generates water). I've had mine for 6 months and don't notice a smell in a very wet state (Oregon), but it seems like something worth noting. So let's talk about the Flow. I tested the Dreame and Narwal roller mops, (and previously, the Eufy roller mops). Everyone is obsessed with roller mops, but the Flow is the first one I recommend. The flow improves on the Freo Z and X by not needing to be refilled constantly, and the vacuum improves over all other Narwal models. I still don't think roller mops are the end all/be all, so I wouldn't recommend dropping $1500 of this model, but I do think the Flow is worth buying at this sale price. |**Model**|**Original Price**|**BDD Price**|**Discount**| |:-|:-|:-|:-| |[3i S10 Ultra](https://amzn.to/4o7hKIe)|$1,899.99|$1,099.99|42%| |[Narwal Flow](https://amzn.to/3IxMoLX)|$1,499.99|$1,099.99|27%| If you're looking for ALL the models on sale for Big Deal Days, they're [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/RobotVacuums/comments/1nvsulx/every_robovac_on_sale_for_amazon_big_deal_days/) or s[ee all sales models at once](https://amzn.to/4nt1sJH). For some context, I [write about robovacs](https://www.reddit.com/r/RobotVacuums/comments/1l48fms/i_write_about_robot_vacuums_for_a_living_ama/) both for an online pub and my own site, and we get access to prices beforehand, so long as we don't share them before brands ask us (embargo). I shared similar information and advice for [Prime Day](https://www.reddit.com/r/RobotVacuums/comments/1ljl8wd/prime_day_deals/), and people were generally pretty [happy](https://www.reddit.com/r/RobotVacuums/comments/1m0sjou/amanda_amanda_amanda_the_dreame_l40_is_amazing/) w the recommendations from the feedback. Feel free to ask questions. I'll also produce a list of recommendations per price band in another thread. I'm not sure these are ALL the deals out there, but these are what's been released to me (that's off embargo). These are affiliate links, I had mod permission (I assume, still).

Flow. I think there IS a big difference between them, and if you have the coins to go to a Flow, I would.

Hey. I've listed every [single price](https://www.reddit.com/r/RobotVacuums/comments/1nvsulx/every_robovac_on_sale_for_amazon_big_deal_days/) for the Big Deal Days sale, and my recommendations [per price band](https://www.reddit.com/r/RobotVacuums/comments/1nzbtex/big_deal_day_recommendations_by_price_band_these/). However, I'm getting the same questions over and over, so here's some additional context. # Best Robot for Long Hair (human or pet) Hair is the foil of all robot vacuums. It doesn't just wrap around the rollers, it also gets wrapped around the sweeps and the wheels, and while it doesn't hurt the robot, it will make it less effective, and require you to clean it more often. This isn't a problem with short haired pets (they have a different problem). Yes, having high suction is important, but it doesn't always translate to getting more debris up. In the case of long hair, nothing beats a razor cutter on the robot, and the only line that has one that I recommend is the Eureka J15 line. I like this line a lot for other reasons, too, but if you've got a long hair problem, this is the answer. There are J15s at a number of price points. [Eureka J15 Ultra](https://amzn.to/4gUYACY) [Eureka J15 Evo Ultra](https://amzn.to/42tMbQF) [Eureka J15 Max Ultra](https://amzn.to/46UkK3x) # Best Robot for Short Haired Pets Now, you have a different problem, which is sticky hair. Short hair sticks to the floor, it climbs the walls, and you need a sweep that will effectively get it off the ground and move it toward the roller, where the vacuum can capture it. The sweep plays a critical role here, and the sweeps that are most effective are large, in constant contact w the ground, and move in opposite directions. Eufy e25/e28 have the right design for this, but I don't recommend them for other reasons. The models that I've found that do this best are the 3i G10, P10 and S10. I love these models for other reasons, but those sweeps seal the deal for me on short hair. It's just a bonus that they are also the only models that can suck up cat litter without clogging. [3i G10+](https://amzn.to/48znS7N) [3i P10 Ultra](https://amzn.to/4h1Sy3y) [3i S10 Ultra](https://amzn.to/4o7hKIe) # Best Robot for Carpet If you've got a whole house of carpet, I like the Dreame X50, Dreame L40, Eureka J15 Ultra, and Switchbot K11+. That's not to say other robots suck at vacuuming, they don't. But I like these models specifically on carpet, and if you've just got one room with carpet, consider getting the K11+ for that room alone. Its cheap and great at navigating under beds, etc. [Dreame X50 Ultra](https://amzn.to/4h77Wfa) [Dreame L40 Ultra](https://amzn.to/48Rswhk) [Eureka J15 Ultra](https://amzn.to/4gUYACY) [SwitchBot Robot Vacuum K11+](https://amzn.to/4mOxq1O) # Best Robot for LVP Lots of people have LVP and want something specialized for it. In truth, there's nothing special about it. A robot good at hard floors will work for LVP. There aren't really robots that leave a lot of water behind anymore. # Best Robot for Area Rugs This is not a model specific problem, its a rug problem. Rugs have to be well anchored to the ground (a grip pad isn't going to cut it forever), and the lower the profile, the better. Think Ruggables. If a rug starts to roll up on an end, the robot is going to have trouble. If a rug has fringe, its a bad match for a robot. Even bathroom rugs are rough for robots. All that said, a robot with a lifting chassis is going to have an easier time getting onto a rug. Think X50, Saros 10/10r, CurvX. [Dreame X50 Ultra](https://amzn.to/4h77Wfa) [Roborock Qrevo CurvX](https://amzn.to/48PvS4j) [Saros 10/10r](https://amzn.to/4nyiwy5) # Best Robot for Small Spaces Get a Switchbot K11+. That is all. It's a vacuum only, but costs next to nothing, and is shockingly full of premium features. It also is a effective vacuum, getting into places no other robot can because of its size. [SwitchBot Robot Vacuum K11+](https://amzn.to/4mOxq1O) # Best Robot for Corners This doesn't exist. No robot is great at corners. In fact, most robots aren't great at the "edges" of rooms, they're mostly good at the main open area of a room. You have to let this go. The best you can do is get a robot with extending sweeps/brushes. A lot of robots have these now, and they're one of the best features. # Best Robot if You're Hellbent on a Roller Mop Everyone in this Reddit forum is convinced rollers are the end all/be all of mops. I disagree. They're fine. But if you're just absolutely determined to get one, get the Flow. Eufy's e25/e28 models were riddled with errors, and Dreame's roller mop leaks and streaks. The Flow was easily the best of the bunch. [Narwal Flow](https://amzn.to/3IxMoLX) # Best Robot for People with ADHD Also, my favorite robot. The point of a robot, for me, is autonomy. I want it to do the damn job, with as little required of me as possible. Otherwise, I might as well do the job myself. While most robots do help, they also require upkeep and new, consistent input. Change the water, change the filter, unclog it, find it where it got stuck on a cord, etc. And then, I tried the 3i S10, which i had zero expectations of, because I'd never heard of the brand. This is the robot to get if you're overwhelmed and just want the job done. It vacuums EVERYTHING without clogging. Does it silently. It mops well, and both makes its own water and sanitizes the water it recycles so you never have to change the water. It's got downsides: its effing HUGE and heavy. It looks like an exhibit at a science museum. Its expensive, and some people say it smells musty (it makes water via a dehumidifier, so that makes sense). But readers, I would marry mine. [3i S10 Ultra](https://amzn.to/4o7hKIe) \------------------------------- For some context, I [write about robovacs](https://www.reddit.com/r/RobotVacuums/comments/1l48fms/i_write_about_robot_vacuums_for_a_living_ama/) both for an online pub and my own site. I shared similar information and advice for [Prime Day](https://www.reddit.com/r/RobotVacuums/comments/1ljl8wd/prime_day_deals/), and people were generally pretty [happy](https://www.reddit.com/r/RobotVacuums/comments/1m0sjou/amanda_amanda_amanda_the_dreame_l40_is_amazing/) w the recommendations from the feedback. Feel free to ask questions. These are affiliate links, I had mod permission.

I don't like the Freo Z because you have to change the water ALL the time. Wouldn't recommend Flow because of the short dog hair.

oh Canada.... ugh. The truth us you don't have the robot I want you to get (the 3i S10 Ultra) and every other one is going not be up to the challenge of your household. So... here's what I think. Get a fleet. Get a fleet of cheaper robots, one per floor, so they each have a tiny domain, and are less likely to get clogged by kid mess and long hair. AND... if one goes out of commission, you've got 2 back ups. I'd recommend the [Eureka J15 Ultra](https://amzn.to/4gUYACY) because of the long hair and messes. But no matter what, you're going to have to sweep for kids toys and dropped food. No robot is going to handle those.

Tough. I like the [Narwal Flow](https://amzn.to/3IxMoLX) for mopping, but 3 dogs... that's a lot of hair. Ugh. You can't go wrong here, but I'm leaning towards the [Saros 10r](https://amzn.to/46Y6lUd) which is a more balanced robot.

nice small space, you just have a lot of hair. Get a [3i P10 Ultra](https://amzn.to/4h1Sy3y). Its a nice, middle of the road option.

I don't recommend those models, I'm so sorry. The only rollers I recommend are the 3i S10 Ultra and the Narwal Flow, which might struggle with your long hair.

I like my narwal flow

Any idea when Narwal will release an update firmware to address the carpet avoidance? That is literally the only issue that keeps me from purchasing it and I'd like to make the decision before losing out on early bird....but have no interest in the mop/vac if that does not get resolved. Waiting until BF is likely to offer a good price also.

....except (likely) in price - esp next BF or Prime.

Buying the Flow.…. eventually. Mopping and obstacle avoidance are all I want from it. Definitely keeping my Q5pro to vacuum only both carpet and the hardwood/laminate. It will significantly speed up the whole cleaning process using both a Flow for mopping and the Q5pro for vacuum. Best of both worlds.

Its a mostly fine robot but not a fan of their mapping software. Much better mapping and software options. Don't care how sophisticated a robot is if their software sucks. 

The basic and simple and frustrating issues with the Narwal software have been there now for well over a year. Problems that other redditors have posted over that time clearly show that timeline. Issues like mapping open concept spaces and having easy to use and manipulate split and merge lines have been solved years ago by other companies like Roborock and by Dreame. There is no excuse that Narwal - who has most definately been made aware of these issues long ago - has either chosen to ignore fixing 'merge/split' options (and more) or the current team is incapable of doing so. Agree. One day it may be fixed. One dayBut why should I wait when other companies have solved this issue a long time ago? Based on their current history of software development, I'm not holding my breath. If you're satisfied with their substandard software (and excellent robot build) that's fine. As a homeowner with a large open concept layout their mapping software is crap and pretty much renders using their robot useless unless I want to compromise how I use a Narwal. Something that is not an issue with Roborock or Dreame or Mova (and probably others also). So if a home has basically traditiona wall spaces.Sure. Narwal is great. If the layout is open concept. Then....Narwal no.

Narwal.Flow. Go ahead and put it a large open floor plan house to test its mapping. I dare you. 

The worst experience compared to Roborock or Dreame mapping. Thoroughly unusable. Merge and splits not lining up with sections. 4 remapping attempts. Over 20 merge or split attempts. Other comments from other reddit owners are there in threads ( found them when looking for solutions). Keyword 'Narwal Mapping problems' and a few will pop up. Narwal aware of issue. Others have reported it. 

The Narwal Flow was recently rated as the best mopping vacuum. I have one but only for about 3 weeks so far. Too early to give it a real review but it’s been amazing so far. My home is 90% hardwoods and my kitchen floor used to be a mess. Now I have the robot vacuum and mop it daily and it’s always clean.

I’ve got thresholds this big and my Narwal flow goes over these easily.

Narwal Flow for suction, dust bin emptying, avoidance, and ultra clean floors after mopping. None are perfect - I have a Eufy S1 Pro Omni and bought the Eufy e25 - but returned it for the flow and the flow is outperforming both Eufy bots. I have cats and dogs - litter and hair everywhere lol

I have both the Eufy S1 Pro Omni + Narwal Flow. Both excel at things in different ways - but I am much more impressed by the Narwal overall. The Ai "freo mind" is somewhat lackluster but I've had exactly zero error codes since it launched and it runs 1x a day. (1200 sqft single floor apartment, cats and dog - no small humans) Lots of hair, lots of messes. Drying the dustbin and hot water mopping have made the biggest differences over the Eufy.

Similar rugs here and narwal flow handles them fine

I don't know if it was recently updated or I just missed it, but I found an option to sweep in the floor direction, and it works on Flow, too.

According to this video, there seems to be a mop-only mode or vacuum then mop mode, which is surprisingly absent from previous roller mop models, so this is good news for those who seek it. I am a little disappointed in the obstacle avoidance performance on carpet. Hopefully an update will improve it.

Narwal Flow works wonderfully on the first floor, but it's very difficult to use it on the second floor. Especially when mopping is required. If you're considering it, please read this page carefully and confirm whether it's within your acceptable range. https://support.narwal.com/hc/en-us/articles/34335936887437-Multi-Floor-Cleaning

Narwal Flow refills with 45°C water at the base station and mops. https://youtube.com/shorts/3QY0kIl_iME However, with the standard version, cleaning solution must be manually added to the water tank.

I bought a Narwal Flow and during its first session it managed to scratch the top of itself to oblivion. Apparently it doesn’t know what it can and can’t fit under. It was also dragging dirty water from the base station. Returned it less than 24 hours after receiving it.

Consider Narwal. I bought one for each of my two floors and they performed extremely well.

We like our Z Ultra. Brought this one nearly 8 months ago. Narwal always shows a great performance in mopping. And the quietness is a bonus.

If mopping performance and carpet cleaning are your main priorities, I’d go with the Narwal Flow.

I have tile that looks really close to wood, and the flow is handling it really great. 4 dogs and kids, my floor has never looked better lol

nice video. Now split it open with a crowbar and look at the built-in dirty water tank. That is really a design choice I don't understand, an uncleanable dirty water tank... "You don't have to worry about it, it does it on it's own because you cannot reach it". yeaaaaahh, no.

Yep this is sadly true. Dreame, roborock, and Narwal don’t have good customer service compared to Eufy and Xiaomi (if this brand is available). It seems iRobot is also struggling with customer service so I’d recommend buying robots from an authorized retailer like Costco for easier customer service if you need to return it if it’s defective.

Yes I hope they improve it in time for global release though this seems unlikely as they’ve already shipped out preorders in the HK/MO market. I have my eyes on the MOVA Z5 as its mopping is so much better. Wondering how NarWal’s upcoming roller mop robot will do

You need a robot that can at least raise the main and side brushes as you don't want milk to touch the vacuuming compartment at all. The only roller mop models that are capable of this are the MOVA Z50 Ultra and the upcoming Narwal Flow.

What is your purchasing region? I recommend you pair it to your phone then share the robot with your grandparents’ account or log into your account on their phone. You can then set it up for them and put it on a schedule. Roborock’s app ui seems to be the easiest. NarWal’s app also looks pretty easy to use. NarWal’s base station will be the easiest to clean and is easily compatible with a water exchanging module that can be hooked up to your water line. Of course you need to give it a good clean once every few weeks or so. Dreame’s app is simply too overwhelming with all the customization.

The eufy S1 Pro, Narwal flow, and the MOVA Z60 Ultra/Z50 Ultra are much better at wet messes. Ecovacs has been known to suffer from a lot of issues (check Jamie Andrews’ videos about it).

Check how it actually does compared to other robots on the market. Also note ecovacs’ obstacle avoidance, computer vision, and smart cleaning mode is way below offerings at a similar price. As such, I do not recommend it. https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/10688480241?utm_psn=1860391779284684800&utm_id=0 X8, MOVA Z5, and G20S ultra comparison review https://m.bilibili.com/video/BV19tktY2ErP X8 V the MOVA Z5 Pro (should be sold as Z50 Ultra overseas) NarWal’s 002 AI/Flow does have solid reviews on ZhiHu. https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/31381833136?share_code=yWBpg6ve2W1Z&utm_psn=1890845587286497066

Not impressed. The MOVA Z50 Ultra and the Narwal Flow seem much more promising when it comes to mopping.

Very different: Unlike the Ecovacs/yeedi, the Narwal flow: Mops with 45° water (advertised value) at 12N Advertised Special carpet cleaning mode where cleaning head applies pressure to create a better seal with the carpet for better cleaning Can cross higher thresholds up to 40mm Can lift its main brushes and side brushes so liquid messes will not cross contaminate. Much better object recognition and smart cleaning mode with a much better obstacle avoidance system. Anti-tangling side brushes.

Narwal flow’s release seems to have been delayed due to faults discovered by beta testers. I’d recommend waiting for the Dreame Aqua 10 Pro Track if you want to wait. Below is a comparison photo testing how the Narwal Flow (top panels) compares with the Dreame Aqua 10 Pro Track (bottom panels) when cleaning carpet with the optimal carpet settings turned on (cleaning twice in a checkerboard pattern and Narwal flow’s pressurized cleaning head being activated). Dreame’s track type roller mop (which was fine tuned over time with MOVA’s G20, G30, and the Z50 Ultra) also seems to be the leading solution since it can exert 18N of pressure when mopping (the most exerted by a roller mop robot and MOVA Z50 Ultra does the same) and can mop with warm water thanks to an onboard water heater heating it up to 45°C (Narwal’s 36°C claim is from the warm water filled at the station). https://preview.redd.it/ej07u60mjk5f1.jpeg?width=1436&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d20f83c2d8b38f54734ef4980fa94c1ff31bde87 Since you live in a home that is rather dusty, I’d check out the dreame L40S Ultra, L40S Pro Ultra, L/X50 Ultra and the MOVA V50 Ultra for the filter self cleaning function when autoemptying. Due to size constraints and the addition of a track type roller mop, the Dreame Aqua 10 Pro Track uses a different autoempty system and lacks the filter self cleaning function. If there’s a threshold higher than 3cm, I’d recommend the MOVA V50 Ultra, Dreame X50 Ultra, and the Dreame Aqua 10 Pro Track. If choosing between the MOVA V50 Ultra and the Dreame X50 Ultra, the MOVA V50 Ultra is the better flagship for near-identical models as the vacuuming performance was improved over the x50 Ultra and has the duosolution detergent tank which is well suited for homes needing odors to neutralize since there’s another tank for odor neutralizing detergent. The fact that it can dry the dustbin and dustbag is also a plus for mildew control. The mopping has been improved with tilting mop pads (up to 5°) to automatically adjust to the floor level and can spin up to 260RPM over the X50’s maximum of 180RPM if it detects a liquid or dried on mess. If you want a roller mop robot right now, the eufy E25/E28 or the MOVA Z50 Ultra is a good choice. The MOVA Z50 Ultra will mop more thoroughly though and will know when to clean its mops better with the onboard turbidity sensor facing the mop. If you want to compare the MOVA Z50 Ultra to the Dreame Aqua 10 Pro Track, the Dreame Aqua 10 Pro Track should be slightly better for raw mopping performance (only difference is warmer water when mopping), better edge cleaning with an extendable mop (still not as good as spinning mops which is common for roller mop robots with an extending mop), better at antitangling with the double anti tangle brushes (both models’ mop scrapers are comb shaped to help with any potential tangles and I haven’t seen this on roller mop robots from other brands), much better self cleaning (100°C mop cleaning with a PTC plate, dustbin and dustbag drying, and the duosolution tank), better vacuuming, much better obstacle avoidance from the binocular RGB cameras that avoids obstacles without needing to backtrack like all other Dreame and MOVA models and it seems Dreame’s obstacle avoidance is now on par with the Narwal Freo z based on Chinese KOL reviews, and much better obstacle climbing with the ProLeap system .

Roborock isn’t as good as other brands when it comes to poop avoidance. Dreame, Eufy S1 pro, and Narwal are much better at this. MOVA is a subbrand of dreame. Narwhal Freo Z ultra Narwal flow should be better for carpets though but the lack of any hair tangle measures on the mop is an issue considering how the MOVA Z50 Ultra which mops great and works great with long hair with similar poop avoidance performance has combs to help with hair tangles on the mop. Eufy also doesn’t have very good carpet cleaning and as good edge cleaning compared to the previous two An all rounder should be the dreame X50 Ultra for fur compression if there are heavy shedders or the dreame x40 ultra/ MOVA P10 Pro Ultra if the main issue is mainly just long hair.

For really really good mopping, go for the MOVA Z50 Ultra or the Narwal Flow. For a good all rounder, the x40 ultra or the x50 ultra.

How tall is the piece of transition? For a single one up to 30mm, the roborock models with the AdaptiLift chassis (the most expensive QRevo Curv/Edge and the Saros line). Anything higher up to 4.2cm, if a threshold is less than 9cm long (5.2cm if it is at least 9cm long), will need the Dreame X50 Ultra or any equivalent MOVA model (V50 Ultra). I am aware that Dreame's L/X50 Ultra and any model (such as MOVA's V50 Ultra or the rare UK-only Dreame L40s Pro Ultra) that uses dual conical brushes has a *live fur compression* feature (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOOU0uJsVdU), which helps mitigate the issue of pet fur clogging the dustbin, even though the space isn't fully utilized. I saw it in action, and I think it lives up to its claim. It also cleans its filter when auto-emptying. This should be helpful for homes with heavy shedders such as yours\~ For paw prints, I think a robot that can identify messes like this and act accordingly would be important too. Dreame and Narwal do well with this if you turn on certain functions, such as their smart cleaning mode and intelligent mess detection.

This is the Dreame Aqua 10 Pro Track or the Narwal Flow. It can extend the mop but won’t be able to clean into corners as well as a spinning mop. It’s just a tradeoff.

After daily vacuuming then mopping, my hardwood floors became notably softer and had a shine. I’d recommend robots with roller mops or spinning mops. For roller mop robots, I’d recommend the eufy S1 (Pro), eufy E25/E28, MOVA Z50 Ultra, and the Narwal Flow. All of these robots except for the eufy E25/E28 will have good obstacle avoidance. For spinning mop robots, I’d recommend dreame/MOVA robots with the AceClean/jetspray dryboard, the Narwal Freo line with an all in one base station, the roborock qrevo line. If obstacle avoidance is important, I’d consider the Dreame L40S Pro Ultra, L/X50 Ultra and the Narwal Z/Z10 Ultra.

Mopping: Dreame Aqua 10 Pro track ≈ MOVA Z50 Ultra > Narwal flow (tentatively) >≈ eufy E25/E28 > eufy S1 Pro ≈ ecovacs x8/x9/t80

The MOVA will be better at vacuuming and the Narwal will have the best smart cleaning mode and mopping but vacuuming isn’t as good as the MOVA and tanks need to be refilled more often.

I’d look at robot vacuum mop combos with a roller mop as it’ll clean itself as it mops. Right now there’s the MOVA z60 and the Narwal flow with a vacuum first then mop mode. No robots have a self cleaning brush system but they have antitangle main brushes.

1. It really depends on your purchasing region. Costco is a popular choice given its generous return policy but choices are rather limited compared to buying from Amazon which has an easy return policy within 30 days. For other purchasing regions, buying from a reputable retailer with a good return policy and an optional protection plan would be good. In Australia, I heard Harvey Norman is nicer with returns compared to JB HIFI. 2. The robots with the best self cleaning will be Dreame’s L/X50 Ultra/L40S Ultra/Pro Ultra and MOVA’s V50 Ultra P50S Ultra > MOVA’s P50 Ultra/ Pro Ultra > Roborock’s models that have spinning mops with the Multifunctional Dock 3.0 (roborock models with a vibrating mop have a washboard that is more difficult to clean as you can’t remove it) ≈ Narwal Freo models (completely detachable base) > Dreame’s models with the mop-driven wiper mop washboard (cleaning the wiper washboard is rather difficult since there’s too many nooks and crannies and you’d still have to get down to clean the areas the wipers can’t reach) > other combo robots with an all in one base station As for combo robots with roller mops and have an all in one base station, the washboard is generally flat with a few grooves so it’s pretty easy to clean. I believe most of their washboards are removable. However, it’ll require more cleaning in the mop compartment and dirty water tank. Most roller mop models have an annoying cylindrical component which drives the roller mop like an upright wet dry vacuum but you can’t remove or move it to give it a deeper clean even if gunk is stuck on it. The only combos that are close to the level of self cleaning for spinning mop models are Dreame’s Aqua 10 Pro track, the MOVA Z50 Ultra, and the Narwal Flow since both have self-cleaning mechanisms that are made to also clean the dirty water tank and the mop compartment while also having a very easy to clean mop compartment since the thing that moves the mops is also completely removable. If you want to support a US startup, you could look at the Matic since it’s a vacuum and mop robot but taking care of it looks rather easy since it lacks a base station. The maintenance involved is replacing the bag, refilling the water with a cleaning solution of choice, occasionally cleaning the roller mop, the roller mop filter, cleaning the brush roller and de clogging the mop tubes if needed.

The dustbin is soooooooo gross mainly because it seems that the reviewer only ran the robot to vacuum and mop at the same time which made most of the liquid spills actually get sucked up into the dustbin so some doesn’t even have a chance of actually being mopped.

I mainly wanted to see the robot not vacuum up the mess and basically smear it with the main and side brushes.

The Narwal flow is advertised to be able to do this and mop backwards. Give the robot a fairer go!

I think calling it a wet-dry vacuum (which really should be called a wet dry mopping machine) is too much of an exaggeration. It won’t be able to suck up more complex solid and liquid messes that wet dry mopping machines are capable of.

Both should be fine with LVP as they shouldn’t leave too much water. > What are the added benefits? Compared to the flow, the MOVA z60 and the Dreame Aqua 10 roller (feature wise): Duosolution tank, fur compression (a great feature for homes with heavily shedding pets), the mop fluffing wheel to fluff the fibers of the mop as it mops, likely better side brush extension algorithm, ProLeap system, and a removable dirty water tank (flow’s cannot be removed by an average user), less consumables (flow has a disposable dustbin part and a disposable mop washboard filter which I find wasteful), bigger dustbag at 3.2L, and dustbin and dustbag drying (which was present on the Narwal Freo Z ultra but not on the flow?). The ultra roller should have smoother obstacle avoidance like the flow (not needing to back up to gauge distance) as it has binocular RGB cameras instead of just one and a higher ProLeap (4.8cm for a single one and 4.5+3.5cm for tiered thresholds). Tradeoffs compared to the flow: No removable mop washboard. No reviews of the MOVA z60, the Dreame Aqua 10 roller and the ultra roller have come out yet so I cannot recommend them for now.

You literally need to disassemble the robot to access the dirty water tank.

Yep the narwal models are great for mopping, but are very water inefficient compared to other models with an onboard water tank. There's also the MOVA V50 Ultra with mop pads that can tilt which is good for uneven tile floors.

It is mainly a result of confirmation bias, and most online posts are subject to the self-selecting bias. Many well-made robot vacuums can go much longer, and so even well-made combo vacuum and mop robots are still lasting well. Brands I'd go for: Dreame can have well built robots (I'd avoid the aqua 10 roller for now as there seems to be a design flaw) customer service depends heavily on region and there's mixed feedback regarding this; Eufy has generally solid customer service all around; MOVA seems to have pretty solid build quality, other than the p50 for the NA market (broken front wheel) and the z50 (docking issue due to a design flaw), solid customer service seems to be better than dreame's even though they're serviced by the same group as dreame owns MOVA; Narwal which hasbuild quality seems to be pretty good with some reporting it still worked flawlessly even though it fell off a flight of stairs because their cliff sensors are a bit weird, customer service reviews are mixed; Roborock which has build quality seems to be solid overall but obstacle avoidance is their only flaw, mixed reviews of customer service from very negative to very positive); and Xiaomi which has generally solid build quality and customer service for its price (I bought from them before and when something got stuck in the wheel where I couldn't reach it, they fixed it and shipped it back in a week).

The most recent data I could find for the robot vacuum market applies only to the mainland market in 2022 or 2023 and I haven’t been able to independently verify this claim as it was posted on a forum. It claims ecovacs is the market leader, Roborock is second, Narwal is third, Dreame is fourth, and Xiaomi is behind all of them. I’m very dubious of this claim. Narwal is great with their spinning mops but I think they really can improve a lot more of their other aspects.

Narwal flow should vacuum the rug better and should be better with long hair and fur. Self cleaning on this seems to be pretty good too.

> I also remember seeing that some docks run hot air through the bag to stop odors, although I can't find anything about this. That’ll be the Freo Z ultra, Narwal flow, Aqua 10 ultra track, Aqua 10 roller/ultra roller (widespread leaking base issue due to a design flaw), and the MOVA V50 Ultra.

The Freo Z ultra is a great mopper as a spinning mop robot but it uses quite a bit of water so I’d connect it to my plumbing and it’s vacuuming isn’t as good. Its antitangle brush is pretty good.

Narwal flow. Ungodly expensive (comparable in price to your listed). But eats cockatiel poop with no residue on the mop after the self clean. I’m going to make a post on this at some point. The problems with the ones you listed is that they use two spinny circle pads to mop—in other words, you first smear the cockatiel “gifts” onto the mop pads and then the poopy mop then smears it everywhere else. Look into the mechanism for the narwal flow mop if interested. Of course, if you are only using the vacuum functions and not for de-pooping, then this is not relevant.

I posted a video of it cleaning up a small cockatoo poop. Can’t link it. Should be first post on my profile

We love our narwhal flow. Only a month old but it’s way better than all my roombas in together.

I didn't care for the e25 I like my narwal flow but I have to reset it because it's acting crazy I saw somebody else that said there's was doing a lot of spinning and stuff and not going anywhere and that's what mine is doing also! Going to put a phone call into narwal

Unfortunately the robots do have a fatal flaw in his their quality control they are not good but if you get a good one you tend to want to keep them and I have a really good narwhal Z and I have a very good narwhal flow and they both have their applications and that one is better than the other in certain circumstances!

Unfortunately the robots do have a fatal flaw in his their quality control they are not good but if you get a good one you tend to want to keep them and I have a really good narwhal Z and I have a very good narwhal flow and they both have their applications and that one is better than the other in certain circumstances . Just an observation!!

The narwal flow and the freo z are great to have !

I'm going to tell you right now I have two narwhals a z and the flow and I love them both and I'm keeping them I'm not sending them back

No I have the flow now and it's having a little bit of a smell and it could be the dirty water tanks on it

I like it but it's pretty scratched up on the top from getting stuck in a couple places and none of my other robots are scratched all up... it does take a very long time to do my whole house need to do it in two sections which is what I usually do but like today I'm on a mission to clean..

My flow did once leak..but I'm not liking the fact that the setting on wettest mop is definitely not doing wet more like least wet??? And i just did deep cleaning on robot and base?

Flow is great for bigger open areas..z does better in smaller rooms with carpets!

Gotcha..but i have 2 cats short hair and a short hair shedding dog and the water deal is no joke! The flow is better with the water but I don't seem to be able to get the floor a better version of wetter? With the flow? I did have a problem with some Dolly marks on my lvp and it did take them up the Narwal flow!

Personally, I think tank-like mop tracks (like on the Narwal Flow) do a better job. They have more contact with the floor, so they clean more thoroughly, and they can self-clean in real time while scrubbing.

I pre-ordered the Narwal Flow because of the self cleaning dirty water tank and the carpet friendly feature. So far pretty happy with the decision for the early bird price

Has there been any indication when Dreame will come out with specs on their Ultra Roller? As more info continues to come out, the more confidence I have with my Narwal Flow purchase. I don't think it will be the perfect machine, but the overall collective reviews have it as a generational leap forward in mopping, and more than serviceable in vacuuming. My house is mostly hard floor, so it seems great. I just wish it had more field of view on the laser and they didn't screw their possible customers on the autofill base. The only thing that could give me pause is the Ultra Roller, but I've still seen nothing about it which lends me to believe they announced it on 8/6 only because the Flow was coming out the next day. Rush to market is never a good engineering strategy. Lack of information confirms that rush. The Pro Track could have been an attention contender which was the easy button, but Dreame decided either that was too expensive or too complex for the American market. Either reason is poor.

You are right. I've been waiting since January for the Flow. I'm not happy with how Narwal did this rollout with their autofill, but the robot still looks like it is meeting most of the hype, though nothing is definite without more real world use. The Pro Track could have swayed me, but you're right the roller version, whatever it looks like, probably won't be as effective as the track version.

No, it is obviously the better option for the Flow. Because of the cleaning cycle of the mop at the base station, the Flow uses a lot of water. It looks like the cleaning cycle is very effective at keeping the mop track clean, which is great. But, if you have the standard station like me, you'll have to fill up and empty the tanks often. Your version is much more seamless. The problem is Narwal knows it, so they are charging a lot more for your version during the pre-order period, and you don't get the benefit of the extended warranty or accessory grant. You are getting the better version because you can do multiple cleanings without intervening at all with the unit.

You are right that a person should wait if they are in no rush. I don't have a desperate need to upgrade my 6-year-old Roombas, but there has been considerable testing over the last several months by Betas with testimonials. The YouTube videos released in the last several weeks are mostly biased to some degree, but at least some do show the limitations. Jamie Andrews is very quantitative, and he's had the unit for 3 months. He showed navigation, suction, and corner side broom performances that were less than perfect, but overall, he said it was a solid performer, with mopping being top tier. I was most impressed with the base station cleaning. Someone elsewhere posted a terrific review of the internal dirt tank from a Chinese tester, who had run their version for many months and then took the robot apart to inspect the tank visually, and it looked new. Even if the Dreame Aqua 10 Pro Track was coming in September, I'm certain Narwal is the right machine for me. Moreover, the longer Dreame remains radio silent on the Aqua 10 Roller, the more evident it becomes that they are not ready to release it, and there are flaws in the Pro Track that prevented them from bringing it to the US.

I ordered the Flow with the Standard Base Station. I had intended to buy the Auto Fill Station, but their pre-order pricing strategy makes no sense to me. It's an extra $400, with no extended warranty and no accessory pack gift. Vacuum Chef yesterday released a video of his Flow experience, and the lack of obstacle avoidance on carpet was concerning. I was considering buying the Aqua 10 Pro Track instead of the Flow, as I figured it would be announced at the 8/6 event. I'd still consider moving from the Flow, as I'm not entirely satisfied with Narwal's rollout strategy and have some reservations about their obstacle avoidance capabilities. But there is very little information about the Aqua 10 Ultra Roller. Has anyone seen any videos or read any reviews beyond just that general Digitch article or that Tom's Guide blurb? Has this even been out in China yet? I'd like to know more about it before 9/1.

I do view that channel too. I'm anxious to see more detailed info on the Aqua line available for 9/1. It's been almost a week since the announcement, and there has been no release of any substantial information to inform a buying decision. Given Narwal's strong pre-order incentive for the standard base station package, it is hard to forego taking advantage of that, given the absence of information from Dreame. I assume there will be more information/videos/specs released before 9/1.

That is true, the spec doesn't tell you everything . If it has the same general structure of the Pro Track, you can make assumptions on performance. But, if there are structural differences, like the absence of a heating coil on board of the Ultra Roller, that is a significant deviation from the somewhat real-world tested Pro Track. I think many people on this feed are similar to me -- I want a machine that is cutting edge in cleaning, but I want to make sure to be as informed as possible before making a very large cash outlay. An uninformed decision can cost money, but so can analysis paralysis. Narwal provided a substantial incentive to adopt the standard base station Flow. If Dreame wants to influence buying decisions, they must provide information that prompts the buyer to consider alternatives. Just announcing something cool will be available on 9/1 does nothing for me. By that date my Flow will have done multiple cleanings on my marble and wood floors.

I am keeping my Flow order. Hopefully I'll have it by this time next week. I expect the navigation to be less efficient than a 360 tower, but that will just mean it takes longer to do a job. The upside far outweighs that issue of longer time commitment per cleaning. I put a lot of stock in Jamie Andrew reviews, and the Flow's LIDAR design was highlighted as a con. But, for the price right now, Narwal seems to give superior mopping with thorough system cleaning at the end of jobs. The obstacle avoidance and AI cleaning seem to continue to be at the top of the industry. Vacuum performance seems to be above average, though it may take multiple passes to capture everything in some circumstances. Whenever the Pro Track comes out, it will be more expensive with less capable AI and a requirement to clean the onboard dirty tank manually. The base station will need to be cleaned periodically, just like the Flow, though unlike the Flow you can't remove the landing dock so cleaning the Dreame dock will be harder. If I have to do more manual maintaintance on the Pro Track, it doesnt matter to me it navigates more efficiently. I'm not in a huge rush to buy something, but even if the Pro Track was coming out tomorrow, I'd stay Flow.

Vacuum Nerds tested at normal suction Narwal Flow is 55 db. Super Powerful setting is 65 dbs. Vacuum Wars should be releasing their video review any day now. It's currently rated at #2 on that site, so you can see objective results already. That site had an issue with a base station water reading in two successive units, but I haven't seen that anywhere else. I haven't heard that the Chinese version, which has been out for much of this year, is experiencing the same issue, so it appears to be an anomaly. There have been some issues reported with hard-plumbed base stations; some may be due to installation errors, while hardware failures may cause others. I've run mine multiple times a week for 4 weeks, with no issues. I'm mostly hardwood and marble tile, and this unit has been terrific for me. Many times I run it at 2 a.m. downstairs and it does not wake me, my wife or my dogs.

I don't know about the 10R; never ran it. I'll say my Flow does great on hard floors, doesn't jam with heavy debris and is simple to clean. Roborock seems to be the industry leader, but i have no complaints on my Narwal and I think it is a great value for the price.

I have 1700 sqft mostly marble and hardwood on my main floor. I've had my Narwal Flow since the end of August doing multiple cleanings weekly. I have 2 dogs and multiple rugs. I have the basic base station so I do have to fill and empty the tanks. The Flow looks like it has the biggest clean and dirty tanks (5L each) of the flagship track/roller units out right now, so though it uses a fair bit of water, the tanks are big so I dont need to deal with them every time I clean. The dirty tank on the bot is self cleaning, so I never have to wash it out. The landing pad in the base station is easy to pull out and clean (I do it every other week). It seems to be the quietest out right now with one of the longest lasting batteries. I usually clean in the middle of the night when everyone is sleeping upstairs. The con i think is the app is not as adjustable as say Dreame, Mova or Roborock. With hard surfaces, I'd recommend doing a track or roller bot. Some say those type of bots are harder to clean and more complex. My Flow is easy.

I think a standout feature of the Narwal that differs in real-world performance vs benchmark testing used by vacuum testing channels is that there is no restricted test parameters. So for example the narwal can sense if the area isnt clean yet and go back and clean it. So one pass over a dried stain might not be as good as another robot but if it goes back to finish and leaves a cleaner surface than a single pass during a typical mop session from a different vac, the end result is the narwal will leave the area cleaner. Now I'd perfect the smarts of the narwal paired with the best mopping capability naturally and I think the Narwal Flow will fill that niche but something I realized while doing far too much research on this is that benchmark testing doesnt tell the full story at all. It's like buying a dodge neon with a huge engine vs a porche with a slightly smaller but still big engine. Just a random musing while trying to decompress from too much research into buying a new vac lol

I think a standout feature of the Narwal that differs in real-world performance vs benchmark testing used by vacuum testing channels is that there is no restricted test parameters. So for example the narwal can sense if the area isnt clean yet and go back and clean it. So one pass over a dried stain might not be as good as another robot but if it goes back to finish and leaves a cleaner surface than a single pass during a typical mop session from a different vac, the end result is the narwal will leave the area cleaner. Now I'd perfect the smarts of the narwal paired with the best mopping capability naturally and I think the Narwal Flow will fill that niche but something I realized while doing far too much research on this is that benchmark testing doesnt tell the full story at all. It's like buying a dodge neon with a huge engine vs a porche with a slightly smaller but still big engine. Just a random musing while trying to decompress from too much research into buying a new vac lol

Flow, easy choice. Only improvements over the Z

If noise is your priority, the Narwal Flow is by far the most quiet and pleasing sound to be around. The Aqua10 annoyed me greatly. Here is a comparison review I did of the two and I include a sound comparison. [https://www.reddit.com/r/RobotVacuums/comments/1nnmoi5/dreame\_aqua\_10\_ultra\_roller\_vs\_narwal\_flow\_ama/](https://www.reddit.com/r/RobotVacuums/comments/1nnmoi5/dreame_aqua_10_ultra_roller_vs_narwal_flow_ama/)

The Flow hands down against the Yeedi in regards to performance and quality. Price and budget is something only you can decide if its worth it.

The Narwal has much much better battery capacity and battery efficiency. It cleans more area per % by a large margin over the Aqua10.

Not at all, the Aqua10 clogged twice in 3 days running the same floors daily as the Flow, the Narwal Flow hasn't clogged once in a month. Just be aware that if you check the dust bin after the Flow returns from cleaning it will still be full, it dries the dust bin after returning to the dock and only empties before it goes out for its next job. At first I thought this was odd but it actually works very well. Also its dust bin design is excellent with its pre-filter screen. The Aqua10's filter required cleaning after a week, the Flow lasted all month.

I'll tell you the more the spend the more critical I am. I've tried the latest flagships and returned them for one reason or another. Not sure if it's the design needed to fit all the fancy tech but they are just worse for pet hair. I'm current trying a Eufy E25, while it isn't perfect, flagships are certainly not +$500 better. I love it's big dust bin and hasn't clogged with shpherd hair yet. If anything it has me hyped for the Eufy S2. If I had to recommend a flagship at this point the only one would be the Narwal Flow. Excellent all around except for mopping pressure and moisture. I wish you could crank those up some and it would be perfect.

Well, I've been using Narwal Flow for a little over 3 weeks now, and it's totally been awesome. If mopping is a must-have for you, the roller mop really makes a big difference, way better than the older robots... It's actually the first one I've had that can actually clean the mayo sauce. Also I've heard good things about Ecovacs X9, but as my place is usually kind of messy (thanks to my cat lol), obstacle avoidance is a big deal for me, making me turn toward Narwal. I also love the dustbin of my Flow. But yeah, waiting for Flow to launch has been rough... hope it comes out soon. Maybe late July? 

Your house is absolutely robot-ready. I have bought Narwal Freo Pro since I meet cleaning problem. its 8500 Pa zero-tangle roller devours Husky fluff, LiDAR-plus-camera dodges scattered cat beds. Or you can focus on the latest version Narwal Flow—Don't miss out the revolutionary FlowWash Mopping System.

I’d go straight for the Narwal Flow—its continuous track-style mop is light-years ahead, keeping the pad freshly rinsed with hot water as it moves, so hardwood gleams and carpets stay spotless even after two long-haired dogs and a toddler’s daily chaos.

Maybe you can consider Narwal Flow—22,000 Pa zero-tangle roller, LiDAR-plus-camera that side-steps toys and chargers, and pads that lift on carpet so you can run it while the baby naps; If your budget is not enough, I think you can focus your eyes on Freo Pro that I have bought it and felt appreciate.

Playing with the flow now. Mopping works great, but I can’t mine to work well. Keeps missing rooms of my house, getting tangled, and the app is HORRIBLE. Ui makes no sense.

UPDATE: bought the Narwal flow with the preorder sale. We shall see. Ships 8/27

I’ve had mainly Roombas in my house since they first came out. I just bought the Narwal Flow and it is 10 times better than the Roomba. If you like clean floors, the mopping is stellar. Setup was easy, except for the division of the map. It was a bit of a struggle to divide the rooms of our open floor plan, but it is at an acceptable point now. The noise level is tolerable and I run it even if I am at home. The machine cleans and dries the mop so there is no odor. You don’t have to empty the dirty water bucket often, but I do because that can be gross to clean out if you only do it once a month. I highly recommend it.

I checked the narwal flow but i don’t appreciate the not ecodosable detergent and the huge amount of water that the robot uses

Agreed, I personally wouldn't go with Ecovacs either, but still interesting to see how the roller-style tech performs vs spinning mops. My guess is the mopping will be faster on the MOVA and Narwal models due to their larger surface area. It'll be an interesting showdown once those models (+ whatever Eufy is working on) are out!

Narwal Flow (https://www.theverge.com/2025/1/7/24334496/narwal-flow-mopping-robovac-ces-2025) and Mova Z50 Ultra

Early review of Narwal Flow. It’s positive. https://youtu.be/qV5OcVjC1mg?si=6c-_y07i8sfAm-A7

Narwal Flow in our house goes over a threshold the same size. It raises it's body a bit and drives over it

No mention of the narwal flow? I've had most of the other brands listed here and despite a few early software related hiccups, it's the best one so far.

The vacuum brushes don’t lift when it goes over a spill?!

I wouldn’t say it beats Roborock and Dreame for mopping because the side brushes don’t lift when it mops over a spill. The side brushes do not get washed in the dock either so that’s just more manual labor. Also, the side brushes touch the vacuum brushes so if the side brushes touch a ketchup spill, the ketchup will get transferred from the side brush to the vacuum brushes when the vacuum brushes lower down. Then you have to clean that manually as well

Not if it’s recontaminating the cleaned areas with soiled side brushes. And cleaning the soiled brushes that aren’t supposed to be wet in the first place is just more maintenance work and counterintuitive to having a robot do the job for you. The auto refill and drainage system base is also flawed because there’s no way for you to use detergent

This sounds like you just used AI or something here. What do you mean that is the exception and not the rule? Not all roller and track mops actually pick up liquids into the dirty water tank, like the Ecovacs Omni X8 and X9. Just a Dad’s video showed nothing in the dirty water tank which means it was just spreading a mess around, distributing it so evenly, you couldn’t tell with the naked eye. Side brushes not lifting is not a minor concern. Your point in number 3 is a fallacy because you’re disguising your argument by generalizing it into a “spinning mops vs track/roller mops” thing when I’m specifically talking about the Flow. Not to mention the newer Roborock and Dreame robots do not vacuum over spills because they stop and lift the brushes. If you know anything about microbiology and Locard’s Principle you wouldn’t undermine contaminated side brushes as a minor issue. Spill detection doesn’t need to be a safety net and it is not inconsistent. It’s actually more efficient to separate the vacuuming and the mopping instead of having the robot do both at once. So when a robot is mopping, it’s not vacuuming at all. This is when having lifted side brushes are important so it’s not spinning and spreading around wet messes. You’re also wrong about the detergent part and I’m correct. The auto refill and drainage system does not let you add detergent because it does not have a water tank. It directly connects to plumbing. I already asked Narwal customer service about this and they confirmed that the optional upgrade doesn’t let you use detergent so it’s actually a downgrade. You can’t even clean the internal dirty water tank which is another issue. Even the much older robots with roller mops like the SwitchBot S10 from years ago had a removable dirty water tank. Even the iRobot Scooba had a removable water tank. This is such a basic common sense feature. It seems like Narwal just didn’t think this one through.

Your AI actually did not talk specifically about the Narwal and only generalized it to track/roller vs spinning disc mops. If I have to manually put the detergent into the clean water tank, that is more manual labor. Again, any additional manual labor is counterintuitive to automation and having a robot do the job for you. If mopping performance is being discussed, you cannot rule out how it performs when mopping up spills. This is what mopping is for, especially when the review video you posted literally says the Narwal “is really mirroring the performance of wet-dry vacuum.” The Narwal flow does advertise self dirt water tank cleaning, but doesn’t show us how. And if the self cleaning is similar to how well charging docks can self-clean, then that is not going to be effective over time. You really cannot call it self cleaning unless it does the job better or as well as a human cleaning it by hand. When I take the dirty water tank out of the SwitchBot S10, I can at least put it into the mini dishwasher I got just for that and have that clean it for me while I pop in a spare. Show me the Chinese reviewers video of them taking the Narwal Flow apart. Either way, back to my original point, the side brushes are just going to recontaminate the cleaned areas. Lifting brushes during mopping is just common sense and not including it at $1000+ is just not even doing the bare minimum

I’m asking for a removable water tank, not a water tank that I have to manually clean. As per my previous comment, I pop all those into a mini dishwasher that I got on Amazon for about $250 and a clean spare is put into the robot while the dirty one is washed not by me. You don’t know what a real use case is. A real use case is whatever the user uses it for. It’s not like the companies making these products are telling customers not to clean up spills with the robots. You keep saying this and that has been tested, yet I don’t see any of the videos you claim to exist. The side brushes extend beyond the mop. And you still have to clean the side brushes to prevent mold and contamination.

Gotta say, I'm happy to see the Narwal Flow getting some love here. I have one and it's a beast - hands down the best 2-in-1 robot I've used. Don't let the hate fool you, Reddit is full of shills and fake reviews. Honestly, just watch Vacuum Wars on YouTube. That's the most unbiased info you'll find.

Narwal is normally #1 in the industry with Object Avoidance. Along with the roller mop of the Narwal Flow, probably your best bet.

Narwal is normally #1 in the industry with Object Avoidance. Along with the roller mop of the Narwal Flow, probably your best bet.

I give Matic the Platinum award for industrial design. It's friendly, fun and blends in. Most people wouldn't even know it's a vacuum. The Gold goes to Narwal. They've really cared about this since the beginning and their competitors—Roborock Curv and DJI Romo—have copied them which I also really like. Silver goes to Eufy's S1 Pro. My family calls it the "Tron vacuum" because of its translucent plastics and illuminating ring. Bronze goes to the MOVA P and V line. I like the white version and I actually prefer the glossy because it's easier to wipe clean. I'd give the Dyson 360 Nav an honorable mention just because it looks beefy, like it's ready for business and comes in a cool color.

I have an inside/outside cat. He mostly ignores the Freo Z Ultra, but when they do come close to each other, it pauses just like any other obstacle. Now, I don't trust it 100% not to suck up a hairball or vomit. That's asking for trouble. My cat doesn't have accidents unless sick. Anyone that has a Eufy S1 Pro or variant knows cleaning out the onboard dirty water reservoir is a PITA. Narwal has decided to keep that reservoir internal and use some new tech/methods to keep it clean. There's a paddle in the base station that keeps the dirty water mixed and easier to suck up and the Chinese reviews that have removed the onboard reservoir after a few months of use, seem to be favorable. Personally, I think you are going to see more and more of this concept as no-one wants to clean an onboard water reservoir. You still have to clean the dirty water tank on the base station. I suspect, like the Freo Z, the Flow will use a ton of water to keep the track-style mop clean and require refilling after every 1 or 2 uses. Of my robots, the Narwal maintains the cleanest base station and mop pads. That's their trademark (because using lots of water to wash works!) and I suspect the Flow will continue that trend.

There's no way the Flow or Aqua leaves more water on the floor than an actual mop. The track-style mop pad or roller just doesn't hold as much water as a regular kitchen mop and their onboard water tanks are relatively small. The point of LVP is it's durable and waterproof. If you had actual hardwood, I would understand the concern but not LVP. If your LVP was installed correctly, you shouldn't have an issue.

You can turn off the hot water washing feature on the Freo Z. So, I expect you'll be able to on the Flow, if you are concerned but it doesn't have an onboard heater. That water may come out warm, but by the time it fills the internal tank up, gets the track mop wet and takes off. It will cool down quickly. It's not like it's a steam mop.

In this list, you pay more for obstacle avoidance and special features like threshold climbing. That's the main difference between the mid and high tiers. And sometimes build quality. If you have a lot of thresholds and need climbing wheels, the Dreame X50. If you have a lot of obstacles that need avoiding (toys, poop, etc), the Freo Z Ultra. It should be heavily discounted for Black Friday since it's been superseded by the Flow and Freo Z10 Ultra. Keep in mind, consumables are higher for the Narwal's. If you want a more well rounded bot with probably the best app, the Saros 10R. But you're gonna pay out the nose—don't pay more than $1399 for it. I'd probably stay away from the Qrevo S at this point. It's the oldest of the bunch. The Freo Z and Saros 10R will feel more premium, if that matters to you. I'd consider the MOVA V50 Ultra Complete too. It's basically an X50 with a nicer base station and cheaper price. Do not buy before Black Friday.

He's not wrong. While some of the manufacturers are really working on this, they're struggling because carpet is just not a thing in Asia. Plush as in shag? Or plush as in thick pile? I'd have it avoid any shag carpeting period—it could ruin it, but I would look for one that lifts up for plush carpets like the MOVA Z60, Dreame X50, Saros 10R or Narwal Flow.

The difference is in the obstacle avoidance sensors with Aqua 10 using a stereo camera (found in the Aqua 10 Pro Track) just as Narwal Flow while Z60 uses a single RGB camera. In Aqua 10 (Pro Track, dunno about UltraRoller) has an onboard PTC water heating element while Z60 uses stored warm water similar to Narwal Flow. But, the downside of the onboard heater is that the battery drains quickly. P.S. I think Dreame Ultra Roller is a mix between Dreame's Pro Track and Mova Z60 Ultra Roller because it shares some parts between the two.

The flow cleans the on board dirty water tank when it goes to the base station https://preview.redd.it/c6frzktpothf1.png?width=1080&format=png&auto=webp&s=9eb8b6e86c96d73aaf8113561c14642336c06b4d

https://preview.redd.it/yvgjr02jmuif1.png?width=1080&format=png&auto=webp&s=db9654faaa3d0871daf7706593004bc9da1ceafd The Narwal Flows mop does extend out. Are you thinking of something else or am I misunderstanding you? It's pretty high on my personal list.

I had thought about him too, but: 1) I noticed that the lidar sensor does not recognize objects well on very thick and not smooth carpets; 2) I noticed that the track roll does not allow you to clean the dirt between the tile joints well, which Mova and Eufy do well (especially the former); 3) there has been a downgrade of the base which no longer has an auto-dispenser for detergent, touch controls and no electrolytic sterilization of the water. 4) on the software side there is no possibility of making it go to a wet area first with the floor cleaner and then go back with the vacuum, nor does it vacuum well near the feet of chairs and tables or desks; 5) the extensible propellers are missing during the suction phase to capture the crumbs at the edges (paradoxically you get there during the washing phase, but not during the suction phase). When they resolve at least points 3 and 5, perhaps with an "ultra" version, I will be convinced to take it. To date it still seems the best to me but in the rankings I am very close to Narwal Flow and Mova Z50 Ultra. My ranking: 1) Narwal flow 2) Mova Z50 ultra 3) Eufy S1 pro

Hi! If premium budget vac, mova z60 but I am not sure it is available in the UK yet. The track mop is 100% the future of robo mopping because it can suck up water into its tank and obstacle avoidance is very good. It can also handle thresholds if you need it to. For tiled floors, the side brush performance is important and the mova keeps it's spinning. Spin brushes will not be able to deal with trapped mud and I am not a fan of the eufys s1. If there are no good track mop units available, I would wait to buy one or you will be upgrading once roborock, irobots, Dyson all release their units in 2026 and the 2025 units are available and cheaper To recap, the narwal flow and mova z60 are the two I recommend if budget allows unless the eureka j15 ultra is $500 us equivalent. The narwal flow will mop better but obstacle avoidance will be better on the z60. I like the roborock curvX (22k pa unit with dirt detect) if spinwave units are ok for heavy use areas.

Hi! I am a big fan of the roborock qrevo 35a. It's $400 on sale and the spinwave mop performance is the same as the $600 roborocks. Only thing missing is really the hot water washing. Not as reliably but a good value if $500-$600 is the eureka j15 ultra. The dreame L40s ultra for $499 is a good deal for overall performance. Similarly the mova p50 pro at $699 is a good value. The mova in my opinion are built better than the Dreames. I saw their CES booth in Jan and they have the updated designs over Dreame IMHO.

I just wrote a super detailed post on this topic you can check my profile for the full thing but TL;DR >Real-time rollers/tracks look great in ads, but that’s mostly marketing theater. >For daily use, spinning pads are more than enough to maintain a base level of clean. >Tracks/rollers use more way more water, are louder, and need more maintenance. >Unless you’re constantly dealing with wet messes, they’re overkill. >Spinning pads remain the most practical choice for most homes Also not sure where you're seeing positive mentions about roomba, but avoid them entirely. Yeedi is a sub brand of ecovacs - its their budget line. They have some great value robots their but the value king robot right now is the Mova P10 Pro Ultra (not available in the eu) Eufy is fine but you wont find a lot of their products at the top of any rankings lists and their rolling mops have issues with the dirty water tank leaking. YMMV Right now id say Roborock, Dreame, Narwal and Mova are the best brands to choose from at this current moment. Knowing your region and budget would help with a recommendation. If you want a mopping first robot the Narwal flow at $1099 (track mop) is looking really nice. Probably the best mopper you can get at the moment. Only downside is that thing chugs water. Ecovacs robots have really good mopping scores as well but its hard to recommend them because they seem to have weird issues with the app and getting them to work right. If you can figure that out they are a good option. Besides that The Qrevo S5v is also a really highly rated mopper Best overall robot right now is the Mova V50 pro ultra at $1099

First one i've seen is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NnNX3s7f98&ab_channel=TheFrenchGlow TL;DR – After 30+ full-house runs, reviewer says the Narwhal Flow is the first robo-vac that actually mops like a wet/dry vacuum instead of just smearing dirt around. Key points: * Uses a track mop with continuous clean water + dirty water extraction, so clean/dirty never mix. * Can handle tough messes (maple syrup, chocolate milk, whipped cream) in one pass. * AI obstacle detection is solid, avoids cords better than competitors, and can adjust brush/suction speed for debris. * Cleans and dries its mop/roller with hot water until rinse water runs clear, reducing odor/bacteria. * App lets you customize vacuum/mop modes, humidity, carpet cleaning, and AI behavior per room. * Great edge cleaning with extendable roller, but can’t fully get into corners (geometry limitation). * Downsides: no auto-soap dispenser, mopping system takes space inside unit, occasional AI “confusion” if sensors are dirty/wet. * Verdict: Beats Roborock, Dreame, and iRobot for mopping - closest thing yet to a robotic wet/dry mop.

I disagree with your conclusion. The side-brush lift issue is an edge case, and it doesn’t change the fundamentals: 1. Spinning mops are bad at wet spills. They don’t remove liquid effectively; they smear it. In real use they need 4–6 passes and still leave residue. That’s not “better”—it’s just prolonging a mess. 2. Rolling & track mops can handle wet spills—but that’s the exception, not the rule. If there’s any format that can cope, it’s the rolling/roller style. Spinning mops simply don’t have the mechanics to pick up liquid without spreading it around. 3. Side-brush lift is a minor concern compared to the bigger risk. Even if a side brush gets wet/dirty, the larger problem with using any robot on a spill is liquid getting sucked into the dustbin and then into the base. That’s how you end up with spoiled milk/ketchup/soy sauce in the bin and dock—smell, mold, and an impossible to clean. This risk doesn’t go regardless of what mop style you use 4. “Spill detection” isn’t a safety net. Robots that claim to detect spills and auto-stop suction or lift brushes are inconsistent in practice. I’ve yet to see it work reliably enough to trust around actual liquids. You’re still gambling with your dustbin and dock. 5. Bottom line: don’t use a robot for wet spills. YouTube demos make it look fine, but they’re wrecking machines on camera. Wet messes belong to paper towels and a proper mop, not a vacuum/dock system with a dustbin and intake. So no—choosing a spinning mop for a wet spill because a rolling system doesn’t lift its side brush doesn’t make sense. The spinning mop will still do a worse job on the liquid and increases the chance of smearing it everywhere, and any robot risks sucking that liquid into the bin. It’s inefficient, risky, and not what these machines are built for. # Do not clean wet spills with your robot regardless of style # Do manual cleanup, then let the robot handle the dry maintenance pass > there’s no way for you to use detergent Incorrect. It doesn’t have an auto detergent dispenser but you can put detergent directly in the tank. Barrel recommends it and it is in the manual. I agree with 2 of your points. The side brush should be extending/lifting and the robot should be have auto detergent dispensing at this price point. But you are incorrect about everything else

>Not all roller and track mops actually pick up liquids into the dirty water tank, like the Ecovacs Omni X8 and X9 im talking about generalities sure, but specifically with the Narwal. It does. Just a dad got a defective unit mostly likely I have seen plenty of X9 reviews where it cleans just fine. Ecovacs, has way bigger issues that that # Regardless, dont clean wet messes with your robot no matter. >Spill detection doesn’t need to be a safety net and it is not inconsistent. It’s actually more efficient to separate the vacuuming and the mopping instead of having the robot do both at once. # Doesn't matter, dont clean wet messes with your robot. >The auto refill and drainage system does not let you add detergent because it does not have a water tank. It directly connects to plumbing You are mistaken. In the base version, you can definitely add detergent to the clean water tank manually. Narwal specifically in their manual recommends adding 3ml of solution to the clean water tank. The plumbed in version does come with a detergent tank, so you just need to keep the detergent tank filled, and it will automatically add detergent to the robot when it fills. See here: [https://support.narwal.com/hc/en-us/articles/38635987444493-Does-Narwal-Flow-Support-Automatic-Detergent-Dispensing-Narwal-Flow](https://support.narwal.com/hc/en-us/articles/38635987444493-Does-Narwal-Flow-Support-Automatic-Detergent-Dispensing-Narwal-Flow) >Basic Dock version It requires manual detergent refills. For a full tank of water, follow these ratios when adding detergent: ● Small detergent bottle (200ml): Add 1–3 capfuls, depending on how dirty your floors are. ● Large detergent bottle (930ml): Add 1 capful. >Compact Dock version It features a built-in main detergent reservoir.  During initial setup, manually fill the reservoir with cleaning detergent. The system will thereafter auto-dispense detergent. When detergent is depleted, the app will notify you to replenish. You can even see here that BOTH versions COME with detergent in the box: [https://support.narwal.com/hc/en-us/articles/38232199974285-What-s-in-the-Box-Flow](https://support.narwal.com/hc/en-us/articles/38232199974285-What-s-in-the-Box-Flow) >You can’t even clean the internal dirty water tank which is another issue.  The Narwal flow self cleans its dirty water tank during its self cleaning phase, so this is not an issue. Chinese reviewers have already done full tear downs of this robot and confirmed that the self cleaning cycle does a very good job at cleaning the onboard dirty water tank. To me, this is a superior solution. Having to manually clean a dirty water tank is knock on rollers/mops to me because I dont want MORE manual maintenance, and this gets rid of one of the biggest pieces of regular maintenance. Here's where I agree with. At this price point, the side brushes SHOULD lift and it SHOULD have auto detergent filling. If those are deal breakers for you, then fine. You can choose a robot that better suits your needs. Those are not deal breakers for me because: * I dont clean wet messes with my robot, so I don't care about that. And you shouldn't either. No one should. What you see in youtube stress tests is not how you should be treating your robot. * I can add detergent to the clean tank manually, it's not that big of a deal to me. Buy what you want. I dont really care.

Narwal Flow is probably the best mopping robot out right now. I’d look at that. It’s on presale right now for $1099 The only thing with the flow is it uses a ton of water, so if you have the space and willingness to do it, the plumbed in version is probably the way to go. If you don’t mind refilling the tank with water and floor cleaner in the base version more often then that works too. But you don’t need $1500 to get the good performance you are looking for fyi.

The Narwal Flow has been out in asia for a long time. Use google translate in chrome browser here: https://blog.naver.com/roboticsnugget/223895959529 part.1 https://blog.naver.com/roboticsnugget/223897327563 part.2 This was really helpful in depth review comparing it to the Dreame X50. There's just no way any part of a cat is getting sucked up into any of these vacuums. They arent that strong or big enough. Cats and people are very easy for these machines to recognize. They're big compared to the things they struggle with, like cords. You dont need to worry about this. Beyond that though my cat just ignores and runs away when it gets close anyways The Narwal notoriously uses a ton of water, so if you dont want to want to be refilling constantly then you might choose something different. I dont know if you're dead set on this price range but right now you can get the Mova V50 cheaper than than the Narwal flow with code USLIVEONLY50 for $50 off through movas website. It has Lidar+RGB and its the better vacuum of the 2 unless you're dead set on a rolling mop. and Mova vacuums do specifically have pet recognition which is fun. It does recognize pets, but since it has a camera, it records a .gif of your pet interacting with it and sends it to your phone lol I use a Mova P10 Pro Ultra in 1950 square feet, half my house every day and I need to replace the water once a week. Your house is smaller, so you might need to refill less depending on how much you mop

If you’re deciding between these, I’d skip the Eufy S1 Pro. A few reasons: The S2 is coming out soon The dirty water tank tends to leak It’s over a year old, and there are better/cheaper options now The Narwhal Flow looks great, but it has some flaws if edge cleaning matters to you. Since they didn’t go with a swing-out brush, the design tends to fling dirt around instead of pulling it in (check Jamie Andrews’ recent video on this). It especially pushes dirt behind the vacuum, where it doesn’t get picked up again. On top of that, track and roller mops (even if they extend) just aren’t great at edge cleaning. If edge cleaning is a priority, I’d look at the Mova P50 or V50. Swing-out mop pads + brush arms will always beat extending tracks/rollers here. P50 → Strong value at ~$600, but front wheel issues are common. If you get a good unit, it’s fantastic for the price. If you get a bad one, you’ll be stuck dealing with the wheel. If oyu choose this one then make sure you order from amazon since they will take your return with no questions asked V50 → $1,099, more expensive but also the best overall vacuum right now, def top 2. So bottom line: Skip the S1 Pro. Narwhal Flow = great, but poor edge cleaning. If edge cleaning is important → P50 (better value but risky) or V50 (expensive but less manufacturing defects). Hope that helps!

For mopping specifically probably the Narwal flow but you really don’t need to spend that much to get good mopping. Unless you’re cleaning up big dirty messes constantly spinning mops and roller mops perform about the say in general use. Remember these mops should be going everyday or every other so your house should really never been getting that dirty.

I agree but the flow is supposed to have a self cleaning dirty water tank which most other rollers dont. Not being able to see it or check how clean it is tho might be concerning

It does, it detects when the bin is empty and goes back mid run. Vacuum Chef confirmed that in the comments of his review

I’m surprised by VacuumNerds review, because it shows a misunderstanding of how the spinning side brushes actually work. He demonstrates them while stationary, and says they don’t extended to the corners but that’s not how they function—when the robot reaches a corner, the brush reverses, which swings the extended arm out to reach the edge. The fact that he’s had the unit for five months and didn’t notice this is concerning. On top of that, the side brush in his video appears to be broken. Not a good look if that breaks easily for narwal though I’ll admit. Not a great review here misunderstanding one of the key innovations on this robot

What timestamp are you referring to? I didn’t see him demonstrate that at any point. At the end, he actually shows that his orange brush is broken—and that’s the brush on the right side that’s supposed to extend when the robot reverses. Even if he had tried to show it, it wouldn’t have worked with a broken brush. And when he pushes the robot into the corner, he’s using the left brush, which isn’t the one designed to extend. I’ve watched just about every review on this robot, and his is the only one where this issue shows up. The design does work and it reaches into corners. The real drawback, in my opinion, is that since the brush spins in the opposite direction, it sometimes flicks dirt behind the robot or out to the left—often into spots it’s already cleaned and won’t revisit. You can see that in a few other reviews, i think in Jamie Andrews’. But overall, it’s still a clever solution to corner cleaning that you wouldn't know from Vacuum Nerds review.

I agree with that also. Saw some reviews where it was flinging dirty behind the robot since it spun the brush backwards. That’s a problem because if there is dirt in the path of where the robot already came from, it’s going not going to clean it until the next run.

Happy to provide some feedback, I really liked your review. Only a couple things come to mind. You talked about the corner cleaning performance, but you never SHOWED it. You talked about how the brush reverses in corners, but never gave us a top down shot of that in action. You showed the corner cleaning from the underside, but that's not entirely helpful. My other suggestion would be understanding the common complaints with roller and track mops, and talking about those typical deficiencies with this model. For example the common reasons people are still choose spinning mops of track mops: >Maintenance – You’ll be tearing down scrapers, waste tanks, and rollers weekly. More moving parts = more cleaning for you. >Mop odor – If the drying system doesn’t fully work, bacteria build up inside. Track/roller systems trap more moisture, so smell creeps in faster than with open spinning pads. >Noise – They’re louder. The motors work harder under load, and you notice it right away compared to spinning systems. >Water use – This one’s huge. Real-time rollers/tracks chew through a lot of water. Without plumbing, you’ll be refilling tanks basically daily, or every other day at best. Expect water usage far higher than spinning pad systems. >Edge cleaning – The mop frames mean they don’t fully hit corners or walls. Spinning pads can hug the edge better. >Power draw – Bigger batteries, more complexity, more heat, which ties into the seventh point >Failure rate – Scrapers clog, motors strain, sludge builds up in parts you can’t reach. Over time, that means higher failure risk. You addressed a few of these, and some are near impossible to test, like the failure rate etc. But some of these would be great to get someone covering. Particularly the battery life. How much square footage could you clean on a full charge in vacuum mode or mop mode? How often were you refilling the water tanks? Did the roller get fully dry between washes? How much of the tank did it use to do a whole house mopping? This would help me choose between the base version and the plumbed in version.

Not sure why, they didn’t understand a key feature of this robot and are arguing in the comments about it with people that are saying they got it wrong.

It’s going to be a problem for any robot as they don’t do well with water getting sucked inside the robot. If you can mop first it might be okay, but not ideal obviously to mop first because the debris will get stuck in the mops etc. If you are dealing with constant wet spills you will want something like the narwal flow that has track mop. Those can pick up water without just spreading puddles around.

Spinning mops are probably the better option, but neither type is great if you’re trying to avoid streaks. If streak-free is your priority, you’ll want to look at a rolling or track mop from another brand. With spinning mops, streaks are hard to notice on vinyl plank or wood floors, but on white tile (like in my bathroom) you can definitely see them once the solution dries. It doesn’t bother me personally, but if that’s a concern for you, I wouldn’t go with a spinning mop. A rolling or track mop would be the better choice. Something like the Narwal Flow is probably your best bet if you want true streak-free cleaning. Both the 10 and 10R mop just fine, and neither is going to scratch your floors. On white glossy tile, though, you’ll probably notice streaks with both. That said, the spinning mop on the X tends to leave more streaks than the vibrating mop pad, just cause its 2 pads vs one big one

If you can find the Mova V50 Ultra in your price range, I think that’s the obvious choice here. Right now, it’s the best robot vacuum/mop on the market, in my opinion. I believe it’s listed at $1,099 on Mova’s website, and if that fits your budget, it’s easily the one I’d go for. I would avoid anything from Eufy at the moment—especially the S1 Pro—because of ongoing dirty water tank leaking issues. Even after sending out replacement tanks, there are still plenty of reports of the new ones leaking, so I’d steer clear for now. As for mop type, I don’t think roller mops are worth the premium or the extra maintenance they require. They’re more work to keep clean, and they tend to have worse edge and corner cleaning. If you have spinning mops running daily or every other day to maintain a baseline of cleanliness, you don’t need the extra “scrubbing power” that roller mops offer. That extra power only really matters for big, wet messes—which 99% of households don’t deal with regularly—and even if you do, I think it’s a bad idea to have a robot clean those kinds of messes. Don’t be swayed by the extreme stress tests you see YouTubers doing; they’re not realistic for normal homes. For most people, spinning mop pads are more than enough, and the Mova V50 Ultra gives you that in the best flagship package out there—at a lower price than the other top-tier robots. If you’re really set on a rolling mop, I’d still avoid Eufy (as mentioned) and also avoid Ecovacs’ rollers, since they’ve had their own issues. The Narwal Flow is probably the best option in that category. It uses a track-style mop, which is, as far as I know, the only track-style mop available in North America—and it’s notably superior to a standard roller. It does have trade-offs: no extending side brush and no automatic solution-dispensing tank, so you have to add cleaning solution to the water manually. Apparently, an upgrade is capable for that, but who knows when or if it will actually happen. If you can get the Narwal Flow with the plumbed-in option and have the space to hardwire it into your plumbing, it’s a fantastic choice. You still don’t get the extending side brush, but you do get the solution tank on that version, plus you’ll have much less maintenance compared to other roller mops—no swapping dirty and clean water tanks—and it’s supposed to have a self-cleaning dirty water tank. How well that works remains to be seen, but it does reduce a lot of the maintenance burden that comes with other roller mops .

I specifically said the brush. The roller mop extends but the brush doesn't swing out. They just put longer bristles to try and handle corners. As with all the roller mops they cant get corners at all, that's just a geometry issue. They will never get edges and corners as good as spinning mop pads You can see [in this review](https://youtu.be/U4ud6Boz6T0?si=Z0w1ZOB5X6zIHCJ3&t=233) the Narwal Flow relies on a brush with longer bristles to extend when the brush spins the opposite direction in the corner. Clever design but as in the video you can see it doesn't work every time.

I haven’t seen any glaring issues with it in the reviews I’ve seen.

I ordered one and returned it because the bumper sensor was completely busted on my unit. The initial performance was good enough that I re-bought it after I got my refund, but based on some other reviews I'm worried Narwal has a bit of a quality control problem. If you don't get a lemon it seems to be pretty good though. Whenever mine didn't bump into something during navigation, the actual quality of the mopping was excellent.

You are not the only one reported dog hair stuck on using the new dreame two roller that first present on the x50. It seem to have issues only for some situation. I think that the old dreame robots with one brush like the tri cut was much better for house with dogs as it cut the hair using blades so even if there large amount of hair in one place, it wont get stuck. For me, on a house with no dogs, the 2 brushes are great, I clean the the brush once a month and there are very minimal hair on the brush. I had the irobot 960 before and I needed to clean the brushes all the times as hair get stuck on. I have the x50 ultra that have the same brushes. The Narwal Flow have one brush but have very slimier design that have one side of the brush open so I do not think it will be better.

In my opinion, if you don't put Narwal flow on that list, you are either dishonest or incompetent.

However, it seems to me that it is one of the models with the least problems also highlighted on Reddit despite the fact that they have sold so many that they have run out of stock

No one mentions the narwal flow but it is a gem in both areas, washing and obstacle avoidance.

Flow if you care most about mopping... I like the Z for the value + station features!

Narwal Flow if you have pets or any hair humans in your house. Eufy S1 Pro has auto solution dispensing and ozone sterilization so if those are core features to your clean then go that route. Personally owning both I lean towards Narwal for better software and although neither fully clean corners the mop does extend on the Flow which is better than nothing!

I have both and the M14 Plus is my daily 😂 he's doing way better than I ever gave it credit for so if $$$ is top priority the M14 is a great value for a roller mop and will clean good enough! If $$ isn't an issue grab the Flow it's great!

Get the Flow you won't regret it (unless your tank has an error too)

It worked great we have done this! Have you had a different experience?

Ask me anything! I have a Flow from like a month and I will be happy to give you all the infos you need :) I got it for 869€ it is a BEAST, both vacuuming and mopping

You are right, I am not able to reach nor see the dirty water tank in the robot, so it is hard/impossible to check it up. Anyway, Narwal states that the Flow can clean this tank with a mix of hot and high pressure water + high vibrations. For the moment I don't smell anything bad/unusual around the base area (I just sniffed this thing out just for you xD) but let's be honest: this thing is running from just one month. Even if I highly used in this time, this kind of things should be checked on a longer temporary frame :) Edit: grammar

I have had many robo vacs over the years starting back with the first generation Roomba with the light towers that meandered in random fashion. I will say that while not yet perfect the aqua10 is so far the best cleaner I have had. I bought this to replace the Narwal Flow I had that was very good but I need a vac that will go back and empty when the dust bin is full and the flow would not do that regardless how packed it was in the bin. The Aqua does a good job at vacuum and mopping imo needs to be a roller or track anymore to get it clean. All my others just seemed to smear it out whether a spinning pad or the flat smear pads (what ever you call them??) The 3i S10Ultra, although a roller, was a downright disaster (reviews posted elsewhere). I had a couple Neatos, 2018 vintage Roborock and numerous Roomba vacs over the years. Still for now this one wins. Let’s see how it is doing in 6 months.

Saw a bunch of posts about these, so here’s my two cents.Looked at the Ecovacs X9 ,great suction and solid mop setup, but kinda bulky and not the best in tight spots. The Narwal Flow's track-style mop and self-cleaning dock are cool, but it still misses edges and sometimes needs a rescue. The Eufy E28 cheaper and smaller, but the suction and mop feel pretty basic, especially if you've got pets and litter. After testing a few, I ended up with the Dreame Aqua10 Ultra Roller. Not gonna lie, it's on the pricey side, but it actually makes cleaning less of a chore. The roller mop keeps itself clean while running, and the carpet guard's clutch, no wet rugs, no stress. Maintenance's way easier than I expected too, which matters if you don't wanna deal with extra work every time it runs. For cat hair and litter, it just does the job. If you're choosing between these, think about whether you want something you can just set and forget or one that needs babysitting. For me, the Aqua10 Ultra Roller's been the best fit ,cleans well, no drama, and honestly just works.

I've been running both for a bit, so here's a quick take. Navigation:Flow maps fine, but I've had to rescue it a few times and the edge cleaning isn't perfect, it tends to leave a thin strip along the baseboards.Aqua10 Ultra Roller sticks closer to the walls and hasn't gotten stuck yet. It slows down more around furniture, but I'll take that over pulling it out of trouble. Mopping:Flow's track system really digs into tile and grout, but it feels a bit heavy on wood. Aqua10 Ultra Roller glides smoother on hardwood and mixed floors, and the floors look fresher after each run. It's easier to live with day to day. The roller guard is a nice touch too, it flips down over the mop when crossing rugs so the carpets stay dry. Flow doesn't have anything like that. If your place is mostly tile, Flow still makes sense. But for homes with wood or mixed flooring, Aqua10 Ultra Roller has been the better pick for me. It cleans more consistently, navigates better, and overall takes less effort to deal with.

Narwal flow is probably the best mopping robot I’ve tested to date. It does an awesome job

No was a beta tester. Went through two versions of it. Happy to answer any questions. The hot water mopping does such a great job with grime

No access to internal tank, believe the way the base station scrapes it’s not needed like the eufy And yes it doesn’t suck up wet messes, does a great job cleaning them

You have obviously experienced the wrong bot(s). They get really good, and overcome many of the hassles you've expressed, when you get to the high-end models. They get pricey, but a top-tier Narwal or Roborock will change your tune. Comparing them to a sub-$500 Shark or Roomba is a mistake. Like saying a Ferrari must suck because your Civic can barely do the speed limit. There's still limitations, and a vacuum will always make some noise, but there's a reason that people really like their expensive bots.

I got one from Narval last month for around 20k, happy with the experience as of now

Sure about that? I have a Narwal. It vacuums and mops. You can choose the floor type both for mopping and vacuuming and pick if you want a damp or wet mop. It’s WELL worth the money in my opinion

I only have roombas and a Narwal but the Narwal is also extremely quiet at low suction. Pretty irrelevant, but I would wonder how the two would compare.

I am very interested in the Matic from a tech POV but it seems to early to lock in into one. Both tech wise and company future-wise. They're not available in Canada yet, which makes that reasoning a lot easier. I think the Narwal is doing pretty well. Cat toys are always tricky. Some are so close to dust bunnies that it'll lead to false negatives not picking up dust bunnies.

I like my Narwal but it has gotten stuck on a pretty common Ikea chair. That really surprised me. Other than that I have been very impressed with its obstacle avoidance. Its edge cleaning also could be a lot better, I hardly ever see it do the twist. Also treshold detection. It tends to ride up to them and not clean the inch next to the treshold because of that. Toe kick cleaning is in my experience non-existent. Maybe mine are too low, I'll have to clean those 2 inches by hand.

Narwal is known for its obstacle avoidance though, and based on my experience that is very well deserved.

"Poor to average" That is just not true. The independent reviewers do put it near the top, but not the absolute top. As for how much better the competitors are, like the Curv - it's a fair bit more expensive and is better in many areas (although some of those areas have also reviewed bad, like the treshhold hopping has issues), and Narwal does seem to lead the pack in obstacle avoidance, which to me is pretty much the most important feature. I rather have an average vacuum that does make it through its routine than a great vacuum that got stuck halfways and never finished it. Needs vary.

I noticed it can clean for up to 270 minutes on a single charge. That's longer than my old Narwal, but I'm more excited to see how well its mopping function actually works.

It's because I laugh how ecovacs is considered good with pets, but I've seen reviews of actual and real performance, not some lab tests, and they always struggle with hair getting stuck in their brushes. Ecovacs is just not as good as Narwal or the newer Roborock's model in that aspect. And if the test "fails" in that category, how can I believe other aspects of the review? Is it ust a coincidence that Ecovacs triumphes in every category with many of their robots?

Narwals are great and their antitag brush is amazing for dog hair.

2 young kids and a dog and haven't used my simtick vacuum on the main floor since January. I have a Narwal, not a Roomba, but it 100% has replaced the stick vacuum.

I really like the Narwal. Sadly... it's not HA compatible yet. Hoping someone fixes that one day.

Oh man, deciding on a robot vacuum is like trying to pick the best pizza topping combo—there’s no right answer! Personally, navigating around dog toys and somehow managing my long-haired cat’s shedding is my top struggle. I’ve been through the madness of getting vacuums jammed with hair more often than a concert mosh pit! I tried the Roomba first before giving the Roborock a shot—it’s like night and day for avoiding hair clumps. For mopping, Narwal’s practically the Baymax of vacuums, so no surprise it’s at the top of your list. Yeedi has some solid feedback on its roller mop tech, though I’m still a bit skeptical until I see fewer water skid marks. Also, services like ConsumerRating often have more insights on models like these if you want the nitty-gritty details. Good luck in the spring sale showdown!

I have 3 cats and two Narwhal robovacs, and they are a godsend for pet fur and tracked litter. Sometimes an upright is still needed for some tasks, but for day to day maintenance, they keep the floors looking great. I have them vac and mop.

I had a freo z ultra for a couple weeks and took it back for a saros 10r. Mopping on the Narwal was pretty good, vacuuming just ok. The iOS app has a pretty bad battery drain bug right now too. Also I didn’t like how much data the Narwal sent to servers. In the 2 weeks I had it, my firewall logs showed the Narwal sent over 20 GB of data. I had the remote video disabled so assume it was for vision AI analysis. Still, it shouldn’t need to send that much data. We’ll see if the Flow processes more locally. The Saros 10r by comparison has sent maybe 100 MB in a week. I’m guessing Roborock is doing more AI analysis on the robot.

Try Narwal robot, they do great with tangle-free tech. My Freo Z never has this problem.

What I am focusing most is looking at the reviews for snippets showing how robots clean edges and corners. When the robot boasts its extending mop pad/roller, and I see that because its navigation its cleaning the edges so bad it might as well have not extending mop, I take it as a signal of "we dont care if the feature is implemented properly, we care that we can boast it in marketing materials", and completely drop the brand from my considerations. So far Ecovacs and Yeedi (which have the same owner?) are especially showing bad signs of this, and I say that as someone who blindly bought their top of the line robot in about 2020, and been kinda happy with it since. When brand releases top-of-the-line robot at top-of-the-line price point with something as basic as vibrating mop pad, I cant shake of the "Lets see how many suckers will buy this if paid youtube shillers astroturf it to the moon", so there goes the Saros line, and a Roborock name gets a huge minus. Then theres Dreame, which looks solid at first glance, and after watching hundreds of videos I had to drop it too. They seem to want to be percieved as pioneers, offering retractable lidar, huge threshold crossings, and those features actually work, but the core navigation again shows that my floor would be cleaned very inconsistently, namely around edges. Then theres Narwal, a huge potential that seem to miss the mark every release. I want their Flow to finally fix their issues, but have little hope. And then theres Eufy, which to me remains the only brand limited by their technology and not programming. Missing extending mop means no edge mopping at all, but man when I look at any video how it hugs walls/chair legs, or how it navigates around corners, I am impressed. Apart from carpet cleaning performance and weak corner reach brush, they seem to done everything right, so I am waiting for what they drop next (aka S2). If they include edge extending mop+brush, I think its a clear winner for me. I dont care about carpets, the mopping is undisputed, the programming (navigation) has no match neither. Oh, and then theres Mova, which I am eagerly awaiting their Z50 Pro Ultra (which should have extending mop too), but theres so little info about that brand that I forget about them most of the time.

I don't have other comparisons, but myself (long hair) and my cat have had a Narwal for over a year and I've never once had the roller clog with hair. It's got a tapered roller and apparently this is successful in keeping hair from getting tangled.

I don't run my Narwal as often as some run their robots, but as long as I do maintenance on it, it runs fine. For me personally, breakdowns in tech like this have always been a combination of cheap tech and poor maintenance. Both of which I have complete control over....

Have narwal and am super impressed with it. Not sure about service in mlore

I am very well informed. My home has multiple robots and multiple brands, including Narwal. Narwal is the one brand I choose to trust to get my whole home barefoot clean QUIETLY so as not to disturb my family. We do not all have the same home. The "out of the box" solution is not what's best for my pet filled home. I am particular. My home has unique needs when it comes to certain things. Narwal's app allows me to customize my preferences and maintain my home in a way that satisfies me. I've trashed multiple brands for a multitude of reasons. Narwal is the 1 brand I choose to gift to family and friends.

I hope you have a great experience with Eufy, I bought S1Pro. It was cleaning beautifully, a big upgrade from my Narwal, then 8 months in I had a fan error. From that point on and about 12 emails, customer service said the same thing in each email, I had already done the troubleshooting before. Couldn’t talk to CS, finally called Amazon and they helped me get a refund…but Eufy has 30 days to issue and then Amazon takes about 2 weeks. Needless to say, I am extremely careful about my next purchase.

My GSD hates my Narwal. He especially hates when he sees the underside. I think he may think it’s a big monster. The spinning mop pads are the eyes and the flat roller brush is its mouth. Your cat, were it to get in a beef with a neighboring cat, would certainly have some impressive / intimidating muscle he could bring along.

Personally I'd get the Narwal or Eufy. Both are very good all around, but are two of the best mopping robots as well. The Q Revo Curv would be my pick if that price wasn't so astronomically inflated. It's only $1300 right now here in the US.

I just replaced my J7 and Narwal last week (2 of them). I had the M6 prior and it's simply awful. I got the Eufy e28. It's terrific. I know that you had issues years ago, but they came a long way. I've cleaned my entire house 4 or 5 times, and it barely used any water. I think that it should last weeks before refilling.

Narwal. Not the top of the line, but the next one down. It’s been really great. It adapts to changes without any issue. We really like it. I don’t know about home assist compatibility.

My dogs freaked out at first with my Narwal, but we gave them high value treats every time we started a cycle and pretty soon they ignored it. The Narwal sensors have "pet detection" so it will stop when it sees my dog in its path. Since you have cats you could take them into a room with the robot and have Churu on hand. Just let them come up and sniff it, Churu, more sniffing, Churu etc.

I bought one of the new ones and returned it for a Narwal. Much happier but Narwal needs to fire their UI people and redesign their app from the ground up.

I wouldn’t accept this even if it was free. Returned mine and got a Narwal.

Narwal is quiet and excellent with mopping

Narwal is very good with mopping and app floorplan looks better and clean while other apps walls looks rough and raffled.

Narwal is very good with pet hair and very low maintance.

I have a Narwal and am pretty happy with it. That said you have no way of knowing what works for your situation without trying. That’s what the return policy is for. Just keep trying and see what works for you. As for wires - really no solution to that. Some can detect some wires some of the time. The best solution is to simply clean up the wires or prevent the vacuum from going where there are lots of wires.

I fell for that 😂. I started to watch actual reviews on YouTube and the narwals kept performing poorly and I was so confused.

I have a narwal and it's fucking awesome. With the plumbing kit it just sits in the laundry, drives itself out, cleans the house, then returns to the base station to clean its own mop pads, empty the vacuum bin and recharge. Then it does it all again the next day. I do about ten minutes of maintenance a month, that the app tells me to do, like emptying the bin or replacing the pads. It also occasionally tangles itself in stuff like string on the ground, it has a really nice vacuum system to avoid hair getting tangled though. There's also nice configurable extras like cleaning the mop pads after doing the toilet so you don't spread contamination.

My Narwal broke within a month and the warranty process was god awful. While I had it, it would ram full force into things in a way that was almost comical. Couldn't have been happier to move on to a different company, Went to Roborock in my case but the other products mentioned by others also seem interesting.

Blades are shit. Effective are the rollers that direct the hair towards one side like some dreame or narwal or to the centre like roborock

We also have Narwal and LOVE it.