Narwal - Freo Z Ultra

I ended up with a Narwal Freo Ultra Z after much deliberation.

Dense fur (or multiple large pet) or light and fluffy? Example: husky/ corgi vs pomeranian/Bichon Frisé Dense fur: vacuum only : Narwal X Plus (it is a combo unit but the vacuum is the best part) Mop needed: Narwal X Ultra Light and fluffy: Narwal Z Ultra Both have a roller brush that does not clog. Over a year later and no hair tangles. Both have compression in the dust bin/ bag. The X has a large bin that can be emptied multiple times per day (can fill up quick during shed season). Also optional bag for easy replacement. The Z has auto empty and the light and fluffy fur takes a few weeks to fill, dense fur doesn't compress as well so frequent replacement needed. My experience with 4 pomeranians.

I got the same, I went with their Amazon store though since I have the Amazon card for cash back. I'm 90% tile floors so the mopping is really what I'm looking forward to

that is a good deal, probably should have checked out Costco lol

Bought the Narwal Freo Z Ultra from Costco. Even with the sale price its still a lot to drop. We'll see if it's worth it. Might go with a Roborock if i feel like it's not worth the tag.

Im also about 90% tile/hardwood floors. I thought about the 5-6% cash back from Amazon card but the accessories package that comes with the Costco version make up for that. Plus the return policy will back me if it fails. Link to screenshot of accessories: [Costco](https://imgur.com/a/qHrgAsJ)

$1099 before taxes Comes with replacement parts [https://imgur.com/a/qHrgAsJ](https://imgur.com/a/qHrgAsJ)

Awesome. Good luck with it. Please share your experience if you have the time. I likely will put a review out in a month or two and another in a year for an update.

There’s still time! Costco deal ends 12/1 I think. Or until it sells out

The Freo X ultra would be the best mopping robot in Italy, much better at mopping compared to the Q Revo S. Unfortunately it is at €599 :( There’s also the more affordable Xiaomi X20 Pro which should provide similar mopping and vacuuming performance to the QRevo S at €499.99.

Dreame and Narwal Freo Z Ultra are best at avoiding pet “gifts” meant only for you to enjoy. I think the best protection is offense by the robot to avoid any gifts so you’d never have to deal with an interesting new aroma wafting through the air. The Eufy S1 Pro is also good at this too but it seems this is their first model with a camera that can achieve this sort of pet gift avoidance as I haven’t seen their X10 Pro Omni model with a camera achieve this level of pet gift care.

I think the Dreame L/X40 Ultra (choose whichever is cheaper) would be a better fit for you with the TriCut brush. Best object recognition and obstacle avoidance (Narwal is similarly as good) Better vacuuming than the Narwal but not as great as the Roborock Curv (I don’t think that the price justifies its performance) The Eufy S1 pro and the Narwal Freo z are great at raw mopping performance but the Eufy can’t deal with hair well and it seems vacuuming is a bit of an issue. Dreame’s eh raw mopping is compensated by its onboard CleanGenius to help it decide whether to go over areas.

Generally: Dreame will have the best edge cleaning. This is on the x30 ultra and newer with the L/X40 ultra and newer models having an extendable side brush with the best extension algorithm right now. Mop extension lacks a spring which means it can ride up on quarter round floor moldings if your home has any. Roborock Saros 10R and the QRevo Edge/Curv are nice choices if there are no cables or pet accidents for it to eat. Narwal is a very solid option. The Freo Z ultra has the best smart cleaning mode. It’s okay taking care of things like hair and visible dust but still isn’t as good as vacuuming as it is at mopping. Eufy s1 pro is a very solid mopping option. Won’t edge clean as well as the above models but mops pretty well.

Yep this is sadly true. Dreame, roborock, and Narwal don’t have good customer service compared to Eufy and Xiaomi (if this brand is available). It seems iRobot is also struggling with customer service so I’d recommend buying robots from an authorized retailer like Costco for easier customer service if you need to return it if it’s defective.

The narwal freo z ultra and freo x ultra both have anti tangle brushes. In my 1+ months of using both of them, no hairs has ever got stuck in the brush or the axle. My wife has super long hair which always annoys me - gets stuck on the regular vacuums brush and the roborock s7 (axles, not on the rollers). But with the narwal, I never had to clean them once. Narwal does a pretty good job of vacuuming and mopping but the app isn't mature and the same goes for the robots themselves. They have some quirks - the mapping/ map updating kinda sucks sometimes and both the robots I had to re-map the house at least 2-3 times. Also, splitting rooms or modifications to the map also has some quirks that annoy me so much. I also had some concerns on privacy so I returned the freo z, still have the freo x, will use it for a bit and decide. The only thing holding me from returning the narwals was/is the anti tangle brush.

Can confirm. Narwal Freo Z Ultra owner since day 1 after launch, running daily with an automatic water exchange unit. Aside from changing and washing the pads every 2 weeks and the dock itself, completely hands off. 6 pets (3 cats, 3 dogs), 4 long haired humans, zero tangles from fur or humans. Occasional twist ties gets tangled. Pretty sure a cat finds them in my office and bats them around and then they get run over, but all robots will have this problem.

Happy Narwal Z Ultra owner here. The obstacle avoidance is everything it's hyped up to be. It still has trouble avoid tiny or flat objects (tiny like... Twist ties that have embedded into carpet or lay almost perfectly flat on hard floor... I hate I HATE twist ties! ... And flat objects, like business cards). Once you get all those out of the way, things like cables, cords, shoes, pet waste, etc are avoided with extreme accuracy. If you can spare the expense, the automatic water exchanger is a godsend!

Agreed. I went from a crappy iRobot BraavaJet m6+ to an OG Narwal Freo and it was night and day. Now I have the Freo Z Ultra and the automatic water exchanger unit hooked up to my plumbing... It's insane how good it is. Simply insane.

We have 6 fur animals and 3 long-hair people here. My Narwal Z Ultra has been running daily for 11 days now. This morning it ran over some paper business cards and threw a "roller tangled error" because two cards got stuck in the roller. It managed to take itself to the base to dry and decontaminate the mop pads. Why am I recommending this unit? Because when I opened the roller to remove the business cards, it was completely devoid of any tangles. No fur, no hair, no cords. The roller was clean, and just the business cards were stuck in there. I have: Two Roomba i7+ units (also great with hair, but not as good as the Z, since long hair makes its way to the axel on the Roombas, where as the Z sucks it into the chamber) The OG Freo with anti-tangle roller (not as good as the Roombas at vacuuming or tangle-free operation) I also have a shark regular vacuum, and was considering their robovac before I got the Z but the Z is fantastic at both carpet and mopping. If you don't need a mop, the Roomba J7+ or S9 would be good. Not sure about newer ones. The roborocks are also very good. Check out the VacuumWars YouTube channel if you want to make comparisons

To be fair, I think a shelter is gonna nuke pretty much any robovac. Narwal Z is supposedly good at distinguishing between wet and dry but I am not sure how good. Probably also depends on the floor type. Also be careful, if you ever mention shelter to support you can probably say goodbye to any warranty. They tend to have language about 'household use'

Narwal Freo Z and Roborock Curv are both tempting me. Leaning towards the Narwal.

The obstacle avoidance. My house is quite chaotic in that regard. And they seem top notch at mopping. (also, if I can get it from Costco I can deal with their customer service instead which is a boon)

Yeah, the astroturf is concerning. But from the (few) less biased reviews I've seen so far it seems pretty decent.

I would love the automatic water exchanger but don't really have a location I can hook it up that has access to the existing plumbing. Maybe one day :) Did read about one guy that had his z get stuck on furniture and whatnot so crossing my fingers on that one.

I only have roombas and a Narwal but the Narwal is also extremely quiet at low suction. Pretty irrelevant, but I would wonder how the two would compare.

I am very interested in the Matic from a tech POV but it seems to early to lock in into one. Both tech wise and company future-wise. They're not available in Canada yet, which makes that reasoning a lot easier. I think the Narwal is doing pretty well. Cat toys are always tricky. Some are so close to dust bunnies that it'll lead to false negatives not picking up dust bunnies.

I like my Narwal but it has gotten stuck on a pretty common Ikea chair. That really surprised me. Other than that I have been very impressed with its obstacle avoidance. Its edge cleaning also could be a lot better, I hardly ever see it do the twist. Also treshold detection. It tends to ride up to them and not clean the inch next to the treshold because of that. Toe kick cleaning is in my experience non-existent. Maybe mine are too low, I'll have to clean those 2 inches by hand.

For me obstacle avoidance tops everything, so I am very pleased with my Narwal Z (even though edge coverage and vacuuming are iffy at best). A stuck robot is a useless robot no matter how water efficient it is or how high a treshold it can cross.

I second the Freo Z. The gals in my home shed 2' long hairs, that have brought every other vac to their knees. Haven't seen a single hair trapped on the roller of the Freo Z so far. And I did check the bin to make sure it was picking some up and it was full of hair. Very impressive. These single-ended roller designs seem to be more effective than cutting solutions from Dreame and others.

Yes, I think it bests these options for this use case. The main issue I have with it is app limitations, particularly the ability to divide open floor plans, but there are ways to work around this.

I’m on the same page. Own two Matics. One is still in the box. Very beta and very frustrating not knowing it would be this beta for the initial owners. I’m looking forward to receiving the Narwal Freo Z Ultra back that’s being delivered next week. In retrospect, the Narwal was the best bot I’ve had and immediately regretted returning it upon initial use of the Matic.

The only object avoidance issue I encountered with the Narwal was with a cat toy that consists of strands of fabric at the end of the stick. The Narwal, as well as Matic, never avoid it and suck it into the brush roller. The main floor of my house is mainly hardwood with several area rugs, both thick wool and low pile. In my experience, the Narwal has better fur pickup given its roller brush design compared to the Matic. I watched the Matic run over some fur that was very lightly pressed into the wool rug several times and never picked it up. I suppose this is a good time for me to elaborate on my frustrations with Matic thus far: 1. Edge cleaning: Matic does not conduct edge cleaning and is a feature they are working on. Of all the robots I’ve used, it cleans the furthest away from walls and edges of furniture. 2. Toe Kick cleaning: Matic does not conduct any toe kick cleaning and according to Matic is a feature they will begin rolling out by the end of the year. I’m curious to see how they handle this given the design of the hardware and small side brush that extends out when the Matic is conducting its final “edge” clean of a room… which is about 6”+ away from the actual edge, at best. In the meantime, all pet fur and dirt are safe hiding beneath the toe kick with no fear of being caught. 2a. Speaking of being caught, there is no dirt detection sensor built-in what so ever. I confirmed this with Matic. All detection is done with vision. Matic will never know if it needs to spend additional time vacuuming an area or not. 3. Poop avoidance: Doesn’t exist. Matic has run over poop several times causing the diaper bag inside to reek of crap. Imagine poop being collected inside of the bag and then mixed with water as the Matic mops the floor. Mmmmmm yummy. Sure does smell nice and fresh! At this point I have to inject that other members of my household are not fans of Matic and do not want it running when we’re not home. I agree with them completely. I have yet to have Matic conduct a full 1,300 square foot clean of the same area Narwal would complete without intervention. What took Narwal 2.5 hours to clean is, at best, taking Matic 4.5 to 5 hours. Much of this is attributed to how Matic has to first vacuum and then mop whereas Narwal can do it all at the same time. Matic currently vacuums rooms in one direction first and then vacuums the entire room running in the opposite direction. This criss cross behavior alone doubles the amount of time to clean the same space whereas Narwal could do it in one pass. According to Matic, this is deliberate in order to ensure complete cleaning. I can understand the intent but I’m currently not a fan given the fact I can’t event complete a cleaning job without issues arising. Watching the figure eight pattern that Matic cleans in when turning around is exhausting to watch knowing how efficient Narwal is. Matic is aware of this and working on enhancing its cleaning pattern. 4. The first evening I ran Matic, it had a difficult time navigating beneath my bed as it was mapping the room. Given its camera-only navigation beneath the bed, it’s easy to understand how it could struggle. I also gained a nice scratch on the top plastic housing of Matic because of it getting stuck and me needing to retrieve it from its confusion. 5. It’s louder than the Narwal Freo Z Ultra. You can definitely work from home with the Narwal working. Matic is louder. 6. Untangling something stuck in the roller is rather easy, however, DO NOT flip Matic upside down with liquid in the diaper bag. The liquid, especially the poop soaked slop that I had in my first bag, will saturate the top of the bag when it’s upside down. Shortly after, Matic told me to replace the bag and it wasn’t even half full. Don’t know if flipping it upside down cause this premature alert or not. I’m not on my second bag. 7. The water tank, according to Matic, should last up to 1,300 square feet. This is perfect as the hardwoods on my main floor total that amount. Unfortunately, I have yet to have a single cleaning job where I could test whether or not the water tank would be enough given the job interruptions with various issues and brush jams with cat toys. 8. I’ve had issues with app connectivity and the Matic which they apparently continue to work on. As I write this, the app cannot connect to the Matic. Oh wait, it finally just did after trying again. Definitely not a consistent experience. 9. Height: Height of the Matic hardware is definitely a disadvantage. I thought I would be able to get over this but with the slew of other issues I’ve encountered in such a short time, I’ve become less apt to over look this design limitation. With five cats, completing a full clean every day to collect the fur around and beneath all furniture with no intervention is a must for me and something Narwal has been able to accomplish. Matic, not so much. 10. Beta testing: My greatest frustration is with being sold an item and not being told of its many limitations that cause it to lag behind the majority of other robot vacuums on the market today. I suppose this is why reviews of Matic online are virtually nonexistent. Reviewing their website, you are made to believe that Matic will do the same job, if not better, than the competition. That was my expectation at least and why I purchased two. I am grateful for how easy it is to converse with the Matic team and their willingness to help and share their future road map but come on, poop detection won’t come to us until the second half of 2025? Yeah, no. I’ll beta test free hardware but otherwise I need a reliable machine that just gets the job done. I love tech and have high hopes in Matic but they really did do their initial customers a disservice with the undercooked version of firmware they shipped Matic with. Soooo much opportunity. Sadly, I’m not sure how much progress I’ll see within my limited 30-day return period. 11. On a positive note, the visual map of my house in the app is fantastic. I have no issues with it so far. 12. Editing room walls, merging rooms, etc. do not exist and are to be released in future updates. My Dining Room was two rooms with no way to resolve this. Fortunately, I was able to trick Matic into adding a new room at the existing Dining Room and it merged the two rooms into the single room it should have originally been mapped as. My Laundry Room is still a part of the Hallway as one large room. My Great Room is split in two, with one half being a part of an adjacent hallway. The Powder Room is not separate and a part of the Foyer. In the meantime, it is what it is. Frustrating. 13. I’ve talked with Matic about current cleaning job enhancements which they are onboard with and currently working on several. It’s possible to edit current cleaning jobs and skip the next room or add a room, however, you cannot have Matic only vacuum one room and then vacuum AND mop another. It’s one option for all rooms. 14. Brush Roller: Fur collects at the ends of the cleaning brush and requires occasional cleaning. That’s it for now. I’m happy to answer any additional questions.

Compared to my current experience with Matic, I would absolutely recommend the Narwal Freo Z Ultra. Today’s adventures with Matic include the following: 1. The first image in the link shows Matic’s performance cleaning the Dining Room. Green represents where Matic completed a vacuum job. Purple is where it mopped once the vacuum job was complete. Poor edge cleaning and inconsistent ability to mop in the same locations beneath the dining table where it previously vacuumed are seen. All of the brown “sticks” in the image are chair and table legs. Running Matic version Stable\_V0084B, App Version 1.0 (Build 56). 2. The second image in the link shows where Matic moved the table from the far left against the wall to the location seen in the image in the middle of the foyer. In doing so, it nocked the lamp off and onto the floor AND ran over my 82 year old mother’s foot as she was investigating the loud noise when the lamp fell. 3. I finally concluded that I am not going crazy and the water tank does indeed leak when turned upside down in order to refill it with water. Literally, the plastic water container leaks from where two pieces of plastic are molded together it seems. 4. The diaper bag is already 3/4 full and it’s only been a couple of days. I’m waiting to see how many days I can run what I consider to be normal cleaning routines before it needs to be replaced. At the current rate, it’s not a sustainable solution for my cleaning needs and another reason why the Narwal (and all other robot vacuums with self emptying) are better. 5. Speaking of the diaper bag, I’m currently vaccuming and mopping the kitchen hardwoods floors. In doing so, the vacuum exhaust smells like poop. I’ve detected this before when Matic ran over cat poop and I suspect the poop contents in the diaper bag mixed with the waste water from mopping are causing this. Not good. Every cleaning job is seriously a new adventure. I can’t make this crap up! [https://imgur.com/a/CVa1JvQ](https://imgur.com/a/CVa1JvQ)

We talk about big brands only, but tbh Narwal Freo Z Ultra is very good! I have used the Freo X ultra before but the Z ultra is a very good improvement

We talk about big brands only, but tbh Narwal Freo Z Ultra is very good! I have used the Freo X ultra before but the Z ultra is a very good improvement

Narwal Freo Z Ultra has the best obstacle avoidance of any robot on the market. Self cleaning everything, and it will adjust the temperature of the water according to the dirt composition on the pads. My only complaint with it is that you have to change the water often if you do a lot of mopping. I assume their automatic water exchange system will eliminate that issue for me once it get it.

Narwal Freo Z Ultra is the best with avoidance.

Roborock QRevo Curv or Narwhal Freo Z Ultra. Both have no tangle brushes and good mopping.

I chose the Curv, Roborock had a better track record, and was generally solid all round performance. The down side is the sub par object avoidance. Narwhal is the better pick, if that's important to you.

I purchased Narwal Freo Z Ultra from Costco and super excited for it to arrive.

I started with a cheap $200 Roomba. It would run into everything to orient itself. Upgraded to a $400 lefant N3 and it was much better. Better obstacle avoidance, suction, battery, navigation, and wouldn't run in to stuff to orient itself. The mop was meh and it would tangle on short hair often so I upgraded again to $600 mova p10 pro ultra and wow it's amazing. Like a 9/10 in my books. Navigation could be slightly better, and mopping is good but could be even better but very satisfied overall. I can't live without robo vacs anymore and recommend everyone try a good one out. I'd say the best would be one of like dreame x50 ultra or robo rock 10R or narwal freo z ultra but those are like $1400

The Roborock Curv, Dreame vacuums with the tri cut brush as the other person mentioned, and Narwarl Freo Z Ultra are probably the ones you want. Curv and Freo Z have brushes that are designed to pick up the hair and then the hair travels along the brush until it falls of the brush and is vacuumed up. The Dreame one cuts the brush, however the brush design results in weaker debris pick up.

I have all hardwood and use two devices. The Roborock is an excellent vacuum and I like their ap the best. I have an older S7 but it still powers through my 3 dog house. And a narwhal which does a 80% good job at mopping. Together my house stays pretty clean ;)

I have the Freo. It has a vacuum but it's not that strong. I have very annoying high gloss wood floors that show every foot print. The Narwhal mop really seems to clean the floor instead of just running a went mop bad over it like the IRobot.

I have the narwal freo z. I've only had it about a month I think but I've noticed a good difference for me. I would say that almost any robot you're still going to have to get the corners now and then, and whether that's once a week or once a month for sweeping or mopping probably depends on your house. I have a couple of cats, they don't usually make huge messes but they do get litter everywhere in the kitchen near where their litter box is. One of the huge pluses for me is that I have scheduled it to tidy that up just that one zone, and around the food dishes, once a night. And I have it hit the litter area again in the morning before I get up. I schedule a daily full house vacuum, and then a full house vacuum and mop on one day of the week. One of the other big bonuses I noticed besides the cat litter is that my floor is just not normally sticky in the kitchen. This is awesome because I have a kid and teenagers like to drip things absent-mindedly or maybe conscious-mindedly.... But the point is they don't often pick up their own spills. 😂 So it helps there. I'm REALLY intrigued by this one https://amzn.to/4fVD5jF but people have warned about the quality of the company. It just came out but it's incredibly expensive. It actually extends to the wall for the mopping and has a bunch of other really cool features I'm considering.... I just don't know if the object avoidance is good as the one I have. Overall, I like the vacuum I have but there are a lot of areas that they can improve on over the next few years.

Narwal freo Z with accessories is $1099 in Costco US

Wow...its a great deal with accessories. I got it 2days back...was monitoring since i saw it for 1299. I got it as soon as i saw it available. Wait for it. They will restock it

Personally I'd get the Narwal or Eufy. Both are very good all around, but are two of the best mopping robots as well. The Q Revo Curv would be my pick if that price wasn't so astronomically inflated. It's only $1300 right now here in the US.

i just purchased the narwal freo z from costco about 2 weeks ago. i have 3 kids, 1 dog & 2 cats. majority of my house is tile and they look amazing, i was mopping atleast 2/3 times a week and now i have the narwal going every morning and it does such a great job! you wouldnt even think i have pets! i looove mine so far! not to mention how quiet it is!!!

We have a Narwahl. If you have pets, make sure you look for one that is good with pet hair. We went up a model For that reason.

Agree. Dreamebot with Tricut brush & Narwal Freo series. Both great.

There are two robots that have exceptional obstacle avoidance. The eufy s1 pro and narwal freo z. Both are fine with cables, small toys, poop, cat vomit, socks on the floor ect. Freo z has slightly better avoidance but s1 has much better mopping.

I have the Narwal Freo and love it. I got mine refurbished from a reputable seller on EBay. $1000 model for just under $400!

Narwal. Not the top of the line, but the next one down. It’s been really great. It adapts to changes without any issue. We really like it. I don’t know about home assist compatibility.

I went with a Roomba (just the vacuum) as I liked my older model and I'm not a fan of this one so I'm trying Narwal next. Generally the Roomba is fine but the obstacle avoidance is lacking to the point where it climbs over the ground level support bars of my chairs, and therefor doesn't really clean under the kitchen table, where it often needs it most. Supposedly smart obstacle avoidance was a part of its selling features. Otherwise it's maybe a bit noisy, has a very small filter, and doesn't seem to have a lot of suction. The map seemed to work which surprised me with my past experience with them.

Narwal is quiet and excellent with mopping

For mostly hardwood floors, most robots will do a decent job. I use the Narwall unit because it can vacuum and mop. You can set zones to stay away from, set schedules to clean the whole house, a room, part of the house, whatever you want. vacuum and mop. So like you could have it just doing a single room every day at a certain time or just start the task when ready via the app. Set it to heavy mop and heavy vacuum if need be. I have mine running twice a week, one day it vacuums the whole house, then the next it mops. Runs about 4 weeks before i have to change the water. There are two things i dont like: 1. The vacuum chamber is not very large and thus i have to empty it every two runs. It doesnt have a sensor thats worth a damn, so i dont go by the app for fullness of the container. Its easy to empty though. 2. If it gets stuck long enough on a task, meaning it makes no progress, it will give up. If you rescue it after this happens, it will just reset back to the default vacuuming task. So if it was mopping, you have to restart the mopping task manually. This is dumb to me, but i have the place pretty well robot proof, so it doesnt happen often. Otherwise, does a great job mopping. If you have something dried up on the floor(e.g. drop of syrup), you can spritz it with windex when you start the task to get the robot to clean it really good, otherwise, it gets most stuff. I have heard the Roborock was pretty good, but the newest version was not so good, hence why i went with the Narwall. So do some research to see what people say on youtube reviews. Oh and note that it wont get into certain places, so you might have to spot vacuum behind doors or behind certain types of furniture once a month or so. So its not perfect, but it will save you from having to frequently clean yourself. You WILL save time and have a good looking main floor area.

Oh man, deciding on a robot vacuum is like trying to pick the best pizza topping combo—there’s no right answer! Personally, navigating around dog toys and somehow managing my long-haired cat’s shedding is my top struggle. I’ve been through the madness of getting vacuums jammed with hair more often than a concert mosh pit! I tried the Roomba first before giving the Roborock a shot—it’s like night and day for avoiding hair clumps. For mopping, Narwal’s practically the Baymax of vacuums, so no surprise it’s at the top of your list. Yeedi has some solid feedback on its roller mop tech, though I’m still a bit skeptical until I see fewer water skid marks. Also, services like ConsumerRating often have more insights on models like these if you want the nitty-gritty details. Good luck in the spring sale showdown!

What I am focusing most is looking at the reviews for snippets showing how robots clean edges and corners. When the robot boasts its extending mop pad/roller, and I see that because its navigation its cleaning the edges so bad it might as well have not extending mop, I take it as a signal of "we dont care if the feature is implemented properly, we care that we can boast it in marketing materials", and completely drop the brand from my considerations. So far Ecovacs and Yeedi (which have the same owner?) are especially showing bad signs of this, and I say that as someone who blindly bought their top of the line robot in about 2020, and been kinda happy with it since. When brand releases top-of-the-line robot at top-of-the-line price point with something as basic as vibrating mop pad, I cant shake of the "Lets see how many suckers will buy this if paid youtube shillers astroturf it to the moon", so there goes the Saros line, and a Roborock name gets a huge minus. Then theres Dreame, which looks solid at first glance, and after watching hundreds of videos I had to drop it too. They seem to want to be percieved as pioneers, offering retractable lidar, huge threshold crossings, and those features actually work, but the core navigation again shows that my floor would be cleaned very inconsistently, namely around edges. Then theres Narwal, a huge potential that seem to miss the mark every release. I want their Flow to finally fix their issues, but have little hope. And then theres Eufy, which to me remains the only brand limited by their technology and not programming. Missing extending mop means no edge mopping at all, but man when I look at any video how it hugs walls/chair legs, or how it navigates around corners, I am impressed. Apart from carpet cleaning performance and weak corner reach brush, they seem to done everything right, so I am waiting for what they drop next (aka S2). If they include edge extending mop+brush, I think its a clear winner for me. I dont care about carpets, the mopping is undisputed, the programming (navigation) has no match neither. Oh, and then theres Mova, which I am eagerly awaiting their Z50 Pro Ultra (which should have extending mop too), but theres so little info about that brand that I forget about them most of the time.