Narwal - Freo Z10 Ultra Robot Vacuum & Mop

Its a mostly fine robot but not a fan of their mapping software. Much better mapping and software options. Don't care how sophisticated a robot is if their software sucks. 

The basic and simple and frustrating issues with the Narwal software have been there now for well over a year. Problems that other redditors have posted over that time clearly show that timeline. Issues like mapping open concept spaces and having easy to use and manipulate split and merge lines have been solved years ago by other companies like Roborock and by Dreame. There is no excuse that Narwal - who has most definately been made aware of these issues long ago - has either chosen to ignore fixing 'merge/split' options (and more) or the current team is incapable of doing so. Agree. One day it may be fixed. One dayBut why should I wait when other companies have solved this issue a long time ago? Based on their current history of software development, I'm not holding my breath. If you're satisfied with their substandard software (and excellent robot build) that's fine. As a homeowner with a large open concept layout their mapping software is crap and pretty much renders using their robot useless unless I want to compromise how I use a Narwal. Something that is not an issue with Roborock or Dreame or Mova (and probably others also). So if a home has basically traditiona wall spaces.Sure. Narwal is great. If the layout is open concept. Then....Narwal no.

Narwal is not hated here because they spend least on reviews. I don't hate Narwal. I am completely frustrated by their absolutely horrible initial mapping algorithm in my open layout home. I had the Z10 Ultra. I have a large open layout of my entryway ,study, kitchen , dining room and living room. It would not allow me to split the areas properly. Something that both my Roborock's and the Dreame can do easily and effortlessly.  I attempted remapping at least 4 times. I tried at least another15 times to have it 'discover' a new space to redefine the walls. Nothing worked. I went out on reddit looking for solutions and found other posters with the same issue since the Freo X and they have reported it to Narwal. So the issue has been known for easily over a year. No resolution.  For an open concept home, it is by far the worst mapping program I've used by a mile. If you have traditional walls I know it works because it properly mapped that other part of my home. It's disgraceful and disappointing that Narwals exceptional hardware and build quality is hamstrung by that piece of garbage mapping software. So I dont hate Narwal. I'm completely frustrated by it. Unit returned and never going to use another of their robots until I read from multiple sources that their open layout algorithm has been completely rewritten and they allow merging or dplitting an area as easily as Roborockor Dreame.

Narwhal has been great for us. Mops and vacuums and no issues with dog hair.

It does. I mean you need to empty the bin every so often and the dirty water/refill the clean water but that’s about it. https://us.narwal.com/products/narwal-freo-z10-ultra-robot-vacuum-mop?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&g_campaign_id=23011485305&g_adgroup_id=183666201485&g_ad_id=%7Badid%7D&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=23011485305&gbraid=0AAAAABS0oxw-Z4PZOAyH2m29rFiAlTrei&gclid=CjwKCAjwisnGBhAXEiwA0zEORzZDMCdOwcYUrhL0MZCs3nENN-r6YROn-SLhhvU5I9hSWOqpEWigDhoCK8cQAvD_BwE&variant=51635424854197

I would look at the narwals with twin cameras. Z/z10 ultra. I would stay away from the flow, not sold on all the maintenance of rollers. You need something with twin cameras for depth.

Lol ya actually, after reading your post again, I think the narwal is what you are looking for. The roller is the best on the market for avoiding tangling, it compresses the hair on the on board bin, dries the bin so it doesn't stink and then ya probably best at avoiding literal shit.

The narwals have specific pet mode that will make the obstacle avoidance more sensitive.

Question- why does Narwal never make these lists? Decent price point, great app, and in my experience with the Z10 it does a great job cleaning

The narwall z10 is what I use and been super happy with it. If you have a large area you can also buy and attachment that plumes in water and waste lines so you never have to fill or empty the water tanks

I have a Narwal and a Roborock. Wanted to try different brands. We use the Narwal Z10 for mopping and it's great. Sometimes has hiccups where it slams on the breaks every 5 feet (like it detects something that isnt there), but restarting it fixes it. The roborock is a cheaper model, Q7 L5+, but just used for vacuuming, also does an amazing job vaccuuming pet hair especially at the price point.

Dreame and Narwal Freo Z Ultra are best at avoiding pet “gifts” meant only for you to enjoy. I think the best protection is offense by the robot to avoid any gifts so you’d never have to deal with an interesting new aroma wafting through the air. The Eufy S1 Pro is also good at this too but it seems this is their first model with a camera that can achieve this sort of pet gift avoidance as I haven’t seen their X10 Pro Omni model with a camera achieve this level of pet gift care.

Generally: Dreame will have the best edge cleaning. This is on the x30 ultra and newer with the L/X40 ultra and newer models having an extendable side brush with the best extension algorithm right now. Mop extension lacks a spring which means it can ride up on quarter round floor moldings if your home has any. Roborock Saros 10R and the QRevo Edge/Curv are nice choices if there are no cables or pet accidents for it to eat. Narwal is a very solid option. The Freo Z ultra has the best smart cleaning mode. It’s okay taking care of things like hair and visible dust but still isn’t as good as vacuuming as it is at mopping. Eufy s1 pro is a very solid mopping option. Won’t edge clean as well as the above models but mops pretty well.

Yep this is sadly true. Dreame, roborock, and Narwal don’t have good customer service compared to Eufy and Xiaomi (if this brand is available). It seems iRobot is also struggling with customer service so I’d recommend buying robots from an authorized retailer like Costco for easier customer service if you need to return it if it’s defective.

NarWal’s Freo Z10 will have the same mop extend and mop swing capability as the new dreame lines! NarWal’s mop extension and mop swing algorithm is also one of the best too :)

What is your purchasing region? I recommend you pair it to your phone then share the robot with your grandparents’ account or log into your account on their phone. You can then set it up for them and put it on a schedule. Roborock’s app ui seems to be the easiest. NarWal’s app also looks pretty easy to use. NarWal’s base station will be the easiest to clean and is easily compatible with a water exchanging module that can be hooked up to your water line. Of course you need to give it a good clean once every few weeks or so. Dreame’s app is simply too overwhelming with all the customization.

Currently, the Eufy S1 Pro and the Narwal Freo Z Ultra's mopping performance is closest to that of a regular mop and bucket. Of course, it cannot replace manual mopping with a vacuum mop machine or a good spin mop, but it reduces the frequency of having to do so. The same goes for vacuuming. If you expect it to take care of fur + cat litter on the floor, it'll work just fine. New models, such as the MOVA Z50 Ultra and the Narwal Flow, which have a much better track-type roller mop and much better mopping, are being launched this year in the US, afaik. What do you mean by easy and minimal management of the robot? Please explain more about what you expect from your little helper so we can better understand <3 Please do share your purchasing region (usually country), your expected budget in your local currency, and your home environment\~ **Your home environment** (copied and pasted): Flooring and care requirements, if any. Is long hair and/or pet fur frequently shed at home? Do you have any pets? If so, do your pets make messes that can be cleaned up by a robot (drool, fur balls) and/or do they make messes that cannot be cleaned up by a robot (vomit/feces/pee)? Does your pet have sensitive skin? If your pet uses a litter box, do they frequently spill the litter outside the box? How much do you value privacy? Would you be okay with the robot having its own RGB camera and LED light moving around or a robot without this and only laser distance sensors (LDS) and ultrasound sensors? There is generally a trade-off between object recognition and privacy. For mopping Do you live in a region of hard or soft water? Are you planning to connect this model to a water line? For places with hard water, please appropriately treat your water before it enters the base station’s pipes\~

Dreame/MOVA models with an RGB camera and Narwal camera enabled models are best at obstacle avoidance. As for hair: dreame/MOVA models with the TriCut brush will do just fine with human hair and pet fur. For longer hair, I’d look at the dreame L/X40 and newer (MOVA P10 Pro Ultra and newer) as the new side brush design is more tangle resistant compared to the previous one. If your pet sheds a lot, I’d recommend the Dreame x50 ultra as it can compress fur in its dustbin as it vacuums. Narwal’s Freo Z Ultra is a good choice for hair and fur too. It has great obstacle avoidance and will have the best smart cleaning program. There is also the LDS-only Freo Z10 which will be able to mop closer to edges and untangle any tangled hair on its side brushes These models all are combo models that mop much better than a swiffer. Upcoming models that will mop better than the previous models: MOVA Z50 Ultra and the Narwal Flow.

Dreame/MOVA models with an RGB camera and Narwal camera enabled models are best at obstacle avoidance. As for hair: dreame/MOVA models with the TriCut brush will do just fine with human hair and pet fur. For longer hair, I’d look at the dreame L/X40 and newer (MOVA P10 Pro Ultra and newer) as the new side brush design is more tangle resistant compared to the previous one. If your pet sheds a lot, I’d recommend the Dreame x50 ultra as it can compress fur in its dustbin as it vacuums. Narwal’s Freo Z Ultra is a good choice for hair and fur too. It has great obstacle avoidance and will have the best smart cleaning program. There is also the LDS-only Freo Z10 which will be able to mop closer to edges and untangle any tangled hair on its side brushes These models all are combo models that mop much better than a swiffer. Upcoming models that will mop better than the previous models: MOVA Z50 Ultra and the Narwal Flow.

Eufy E25 or E28 for roller mop robots. Both are the same in terms of robot. E28 comes with a spot remover which can be useful. Since it appears you’re in the US, I cannot recommend the MOVA Z50 Ultra which is much better than the ecovacs X8 Pro omni at mopping and Eufy S1 Pro for vacuuming and mopping. For mopping with spinning pads, the Narwal Z10 will be the best (if you don’t want a camera which isn’t recommended if your dog makes messes). It autoempties and has full anti-

Roborock isn’t as good as other brands when it comes to poop avoidance. Dreame, Eufy S1 pro, and Narwal are much better at this. MOVA is a subbrand of dreame. Narwhal Freo Z ultra Narwal flow should be better for carpets though but the lack of any hair tangle measures on the mop is an issue considering how the MOVA Z50 Ultra which mops great and works great with long hair with similar poop avoidance performance has combs to help with hair tangles on the mop. Eufy also doesn’t have very good carpet cleaning and as good edge cleaning compared to the previous two An all rounder should be the dreame X50 Ultra for fur compression if there are heavy shedders or the dreame x40 ultra/ MOVA P10 Pro Ultra if the main issue is mainly just long hair.

How tall is the piece of transition? For a single one up to 30mm, the roborock models with the AdaptiLift chassis (the most expensive QRevo Curv/Edge and the Saros line). Anything higher up to 4.2cm, if a threshold is less than 9cm long (5.2cm if it is at least 9cm long), will need the Dreame X50 Ultra or any equivalent MOVA model (V50 Ultra). I am aware that Dreame's L/X50 Ultra and any model (such as MOVA's V50 Ultra or the rare UK-only Dreame L40s Pro Ultra) that uses dual conical brushes has a *live fur compression* feature (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOOU0uJsVdU), which helps mitigate the issue of pet fur clogging the dustbin, even though the space isn't fully utilized. I saw it in action, and I think it lives up to its claim. It also cleans its filter when auto-emptying. This should be helpful for homes with heavy shedders such as yours\~ For paw prints, I think a robot that can identify messes like this and act accordingly would be important too. Dreame and Narwal do well with this if you turn on certain functions, such as their smart cleaning mode and intelligent mess detection.

Many robots cannot mop with warm or hot water. This is currently a new feature on upright vacuum mop combos. Currently there is only hot water mop washing on most models. The roborock Saros 10 claims to mop with hot water up to 70° and the Saros 10R claims to mop with warm water. I am skeptical of this claim as it doesn’t use a roller mop where it feasibly could live up to this claim. There is the upcoming MOVA Z50 Ultra that can mop with constant 36° water as it has a track type roller mop which makes this claim achievable. Generally, most robot vacuums also do fail when it comes to living up to the hot water mop washing claim. Dreame made models do reach the advertised temperature but it is mainly only for a moment and it’ll usually be washing the mops with lukewarm to warm water In the EU market, I’d recommend Xiaomi as the most cost effective robot vacuum mop combo brand unless you’d like the extra bells and whistles such as hot water mop washing + mop extension where it’ll be better to consider brands like dreame. Most of its combo models are compatible with the anti-tangling dreame TriCut brush. It works well in my home with a long haired corgi and people with long hair. The Xiaomi x20 pro looks rather nice. For obstacle avoidance, please tidy up your cables. Most LDS-only robots are rather stupid when it comes to reflective or transparent walls. I recommend models with good obstacle avoidance if your cat makes messes robots cannot clean and must avoid at all costs. This usually requires RGB cameras. If the best obstacle avoidance is what you’re looking for: Narwal Freo Z ultra or any of their RGB camera enabled robots. It currently seems to have the best (not perfect!) smart cleaning mode. Its strength lies in its good mopping and anti-tangling but sadly not vacuuming. Dreame RGB camera enabled models starting from the X30 Ultra and onwards. MOVA is a subbrand of dreame so RGB camera enabled robots from the P10 Pro Ultra and newer will perform similarly as it will use the same obstacle avoidance software. Dreame is a rather good all rounder combo robot with the best edge cleaning. Antitangling performance is also rather good. Eufy S1 Pro and other models that will use the “3D Matrix” binocular infrared 3D dToF sensor array. Roborock is also a good all rounder with the easiest app to use but it will not be as good avoiding obstacles such as cables and pet messes compared to other brands, especially on carpets. For self cleaning: Dreame/MOVA models with the AceClean dryboard where water jets are used to clean the mops. The x50 ultra will be best at self cleaning including cleaning its own filter when autoemptying but it is currently outside your budget. > dreame models that use the self driven wipers on the mop washboard ≈ roborock models using a mop washboard with motorized wipers ≈ NarWal’s mop washboard where they flush the washboard with water before and after washing the mops.

This is definitely not exclusive on the ecovacs X9 pro omni. Ecovacs is late to this feature. Models that can do this well: Dreame’s L/X40 Ultra and newer (assuming there’s an RGB camera), Narwal Freo Z Ultra; Roborock Saros series and CurvX, MOVA P10 Pro Ultra, P50 Pro Ultra, Z50 Ultra, V50 Ultra

Eufy is not mentioned because it does not have this capability. Best mopping: Dreame Aqua 10 Pro Track and the MOVA Z50 Ultra has the best raw mopping performance. If your pets are stinky, the Dreame Aqua 10 Pro Track or the MOVA V50 Ultra will be my recommendation as it has the duosolution detergent tank which means it can use a special odor neutralizing solution or your regular floor cleaning solution based on your preferences set in the app. The MOVA V50 Ultra does mop better than the Dreame X50 Ultra because it can spin its mops up to 260rpm when it detects dried on stains and liquids and because it has a new mop pad holder that basically has suspension as it can go up 2mm and down 1mm downwards and tilt up to 5° to put as even pressure as possible on uneven floors. Honorable mention: Narwal Freo Z Ultra. Shame it cannot lift its side brushes. Variable mopping pressure of 8-12N but pales in comparison to the 18N of mopping pressure by the Dreame Aqua 10 Pro Track and the MOVA Z50 Ultra. Best software for detecting liquids and appropriately dealing with them: Dreame L/X40 and newer including the Aqua 10 pro track based on reviews. The MOVA Z50 ultra and the other MOVA models mentioned are also pretty good too at detecting liquids. Previously mentioned Roborock and Narwal models also seem to do well. I think all the models I mentioned should be on par for automatic remopping. Hardware: All models I mentioned should have a solid build quality.

After daily vacuuming then mopping, my hardwood floors became notably softer and had a shine. I’d recommend robots with roller mops or spinning mops. For roller mop robots, I’d recommend the eufy S1 (Pro), eufy E25/E28, MOVA Z50 Ultra, and the Narwal Flow. All of these robots except for the eufy E25/E28 will have good obstacle avoidance. For spinning mop robots, I’d recommend dreame/MOVA robots with the AceClean/jetspray dryboard, the Narwal Freo line with an all in one base station, the roborock qrevo line. If obstacle avoidance is important, I’d consider the Dreame L40S Pro Ultra, L/X50 Ultra and the Narwal Z/Z10 Ultra.

After daily vacuuming then mopping, my hardwood floors became notably softer and had a shine. I’d recommend robots with roller mops or spinning mops. For roller mop robots, I’d recommend the eufy S1 (Pro), eufy E25/E28, MOVA Z50 Ultra, and the Narwal Flow. All of these robots except for the eufy E25/E28 will have good obstacle avoidance. For spinning mop robots, I’d recommend dreame/MOVA robots with the AceClean/jetspray dryboard, the Narwal Freo line with an all in one base station, the roborock qrevo line. If obstacle avoidance is important, I’d consider the Dreame L40S Pro Ultra, L/X50 Ultra and the Narwal Z/Z10 Ultra.

Both the Narwal Freo Z Ultra and the Dreame L/X40 Ultra do well avoiding cables and pet messes. Only difference is that the Dreame has to backtrack a bit for the computer to process the distance and whatnot since it only has one RGB camera but the Narwal Freo Z Ultra doesn't need to do this as it has binocular RGB cameras.

I think the Narwal Freo Z Ultra is the “smartest” of them all for smart cleaning but won’t do so well for vacuuming as mopping is its key strength. The Matic seems to be rather smart too but it is US-only. Object avoidance: Dreame, eufy S1 Pro, and the Narwal Freo Z ultra will do the best. Narwal’s binocular RGB cameras mean it avoids them smoothly. Dreame’s own binocular RGB cameras on the Aqua 10 pro track show similar smoothness when avoiding obstacles. Hair and fur: Dreame and MOVA’s duostream brushes, eufy E25/E28 DuoDivide dupe brushes, roborock DuoDivide brushes, Narwal’s conical brush, > dreame TriCut brush

MOVA's Z50 Ultra is even better than the Eufy S1 Pro at mopping and performs decently with hair as it has a 300mL dustbin and the Dreame Tricut brush, which has worked well in my home with long hair and a long-haired corgi. I'd get this from Harvey Norman (with a protection plan for easy returns/replacement). JB HIFI seems to be harder with returns as users report JB HIFI needing to confirm with the manufacturer. Unfortunately, the good EOFY sale price of about 2000 AUD is now gone and it now sells at 3000 (ouch..), and no official plumbing kit is sold in Australia (get it from aliexpress or Taobao). If there's no threshold taller than 2.2 cm in your home, I'd check out the L40s Pro Ultra, which is essentially the Dreame X50 Ultra without the enhanced threshold crossing and retractable LIDAR. However, the battery life on the X50 Ultra and the L40s Pro Ultra isn't that good compared to the older Dreame models and the MOVA Z50 Ultra... As for food, I'm afraid no robot can sufficiently take care of this without making a mess you have to clean up. But good ones should identify food that isn't crumbs and avoid it, and tell you so in the app. The Narwal Freo Z Ultra will have the best smart cleaning mode and arguably the best robot mopper with spinning mops, but is rather water inefficient for larger homes, so connecting it to your plumbing is basically a must.

Sadly, I couldn't find the MOVA z50 Ultra on Amazon, and it seems the only other sales date will be during Black Friday in November :( If you're really insistent on the MOVA Z50 Ultra, I'll ask MOVA about any possible discounts. For the other robots: The Narwal Freo Z Ultra will feature the best smart cleaning mode, allowing for hands-off cleaning without requiring in-depth settings adjustments, thanks to its significantly improved computer vision compared to the Roborock S10R. However, roborock's Saros 10R app is easier to use and there are less disposables than the Narwal Freo Z Ultra's dustbin has a disposable plastic thing, which narwal says means its easier reducing the need to clean, but I think this just makes more waste and is unnecessary if you can give the dusbin a good clean. Go for the Roborock saros 10R for a good app and roborock reliability. Go for the Narwal Freo Z Ultra if you really want AI cleaning that's more than just a shoehorned buzzword.

A lot of progress has been made from 2017-now. Some are generally a lot smarter (the Narwal Freo Z ultra is the best at this with great mopping and arguably the best smart cleaning mode but vacuuming isn’t that great but probably better than an iLife or a shark). Some are smarter and quieter (dreame X50 ultra) and can also reach into corners well. The smart ones are good at avoiding cords, pet poop, and knowing which areas should be cleaned more intensely. Combo Robots with an antitangle brush are now rather mainstream and much cheaper. The new progress being made is improving the mopping on combo robots, making it even quieter, and improving the robot’s ability to clean itself and the base station.

Depends on your purchasing region. I’d recommend one with autoemptying and for it to have an all in one base station if you want it to mop so it can clean twice a day for you. My robot runs twice a day and at 20,000sqm cleaned, it still works great. Vacuum only ones: Roborock Q5 Max+ or the Q8 Max+ (I don’t know much about the other new roborock models so I’ll wait for other users to report their experience to consider recommending them) Combo ones Xiaomi is a popular cost effective brand. I’d recommend the X10+, X20 Pro and the X20 Max. This is if you want it to vacuum and then mop (which I use since my corgi drools a lot). The TriCut brush compatibility also means it’ll deal with corgi fur well. Xiaomi is not available in the NA market. Dreame’s L40 Ultra and MOVA’s P10 Pro Ultra have been sold in the US for 499-599 (the price fluctuates) and are essentially the same robot. It is also compatible with the TriCut brush. Narwal Freo Z10 will be recommended as it is the cheaper autoemptying model.

Vacuuming: dreame (bristle brush) and Roborock Great obstacle avoidance: Eufy s1 pro (you can consider this one too even though it uses a roller mop as it also mops well), dreame models from X30 Ultra (MOVA P10 Pro Ultra as it is a subbrand), and Narwal Freo Z Ultra These are the only ones I know that are very cord free with obstacle avoidance. Roborock is behind in obstacle avoidance. Remop and clean mop pads again if needed: same dreame/mova models as before and the Narwal Freo Z ultra For uneven tiles, I recommend you wait for the upcoming dreame X50 Ultra as their mop holders can tilt by 5° for uneven flooring. You can further enhance the mopping by using plusher mop pads like Narwal or Roborock’s. I also recommend waiting for CES 2025 to finish as new models by these brands will be announced there! Dreame will also have a new robot with a roller mop that will be even better than their subbrand MOVA’s Z5 which is currently the best mopping robot on the market which uses a crawling mop.

If you want the best smart mopping mode and better obstacle avoidance, the Narwal Freo Z ultra wins by far. Roborock’s app is easier to use. Both robots are rather easy to clean with both having completely removable washboards.

The MOVA will be better at vacuuming and the Narwal will have the best smart cleaning mode and mopping but vacuuming isn’t as good as the MOVA and tanks need to be refilled more often.

What's your budget in your local currency? In the eurozone (not sure for Eastern Europe), the Narwal Freo Z Ultra is at 599 euros (may be cheaper or more expensive). Other than having to constantly refill and empty the water tanks (which is why I recommend connecting this model to the water line), it's rather autonomous, with many pet owners loving the anti-tangle brush and pretty easy to clean. For autonomy, I prioritize: no fur tangling (if hair and fur are a concern), easy to clean and is good at cleaning itself (including the mop washboard), and doesn't get stuck on things because of good obstacle avoidance

>First, I really liked the [Freo Z](https://lifehacker.com/tech/narwal-freo-z-ultra-is-a-great-mop-but-a-water-hog) when I reviewed it… my main complaint, and it was a real dealbreaker, was that the Freo needed to be refilled ALL THE TIME. like, after every mop run. That’s refilling the clean water and dumping the dirty water. Hard pass. But… Narwal sells a kit so you can pipe the robot into your water line. Oh, and that kit is $200, so technically this is just over $1000, but still worth it, IMO, since it’s $500 off. \- Amanda's thoughts on the Freo Z Ultra, the closest model to the Z10. You'd have to constantly refill it unlike the Dreame which is more water efficient.

I just lost the draft of the comment I was writing on here TvT The brands best at obstacle avoidance are dreame eufy and Narwal. Recommendations come from cheapest to highest Narwal Freo Z ultra at €549 Best for smoothest obstacle avoidance, great at preventing hair and fur tangles, best smart cleaning mode, easy to clean, and great mopping Not so Great at: vacuuming (compared to other robots), water tanks need to be refilled frequently so it is better suited for smaller homes Why so cheap? It already has a successor and the new flagship the Narwal Flow is going to be released. No eufy models that are close to obstacle avoidance at this price range so no eufy recommendation. Dreame L40 Ultra AE €671 Good at: obstacle avoidance (firmware updates help) but not as smooth since it only has one eye instead of two like Narwal do it needs to go backwards to gauge the distance to something, more rounded vacuuming (better than the Narwal) and mopping performance. Not so good at: not many like the smart cleaning mode, not as easy to clean as you’d need to get down to maintain it. Slightly pared down L40 Ultra

Vomit can be difficult for robots to properly avoid. I recommend dual brushes for fur as they'll generally lift fur out of carpets better. I'd also look at robots with anti-tangle brushes. The cheapest available option will be dreame and Xiaomi robots that can use the anti-tangle tricut brush. I wouldn't recommend Xiaomi for your case, as it only has structured light, so it cannot detect the obstacles you need it to avoid. I'm using the IT and ES websites for reference. Robots with good obstacle avoidance should be the camera-enabled models from these brands: Dreame/MOVA, Eufy, and Narwal. Narwal's Freo Z Ultra is the cheapest at 699 EUR. It also has the best obstacle avoidance and arguably the best smart cleaning mode. It is rather water-hungry when mopping and isn't the best vacuum, but it should be able to get rid of fur, so your mother may only worry about deeper cleans. This one's mop washboard is the easiest to clean as the entire base is completely removable. There's also the MOVA P50 Pro Ultra at 799 EUR, which is a better vacuum and is less water hungry. I did see those in North America report a broken front wheel, but I haven't seen anyone from Europe report this, so I think it'll be okay. I also like how MOVA has a 3-year warranty compared to Narwal's 2-year warranty. This one's mop washboard is not as easy to clean as you'd need to get down or lie on your side to clean under the drainage filter (the washboard itself is actually very good at keeping itself clean). There's also the Dreame X40 Ultra at 799 EUR. The P50 Pro Ultra is a souped-up version of the X40 Ultra. This one's mop washboard is rather annoying to clean with the wipers catching on fur and so many nooks and crannies.

Narwal freo z ultra would be my cost-efficient but not water-efficient pick if you can connect it to water lines. Just run it to vacuum first then mop everyday and you'll be surprise.

The Freo Z ultra has the best spinning mops and the best smart cleaning mode. It’s rather water hungry though.

Yep the narwal models are great for mopping, but are very water inefficient compared to other models with an onboard water tank. There's also the MOVA V50 Ultra with mop pads that can tilt which is good for uneven tile floors.

It is mainly a result of confirmation bias, and most online posts are subject to the self-selecting bias. Many well-made robot vacuums can go much longer, and so even well-made combo vacuum and mop robots are still lasting well. Brands I'd go for: Dreame can have well built robots (I'd avoid the aqua 10 roller for now as there seems to be a design flaw) customer service depends heavily on region and there's mixed feedback regarding this; Eufy has generally solid customer service all around; MOVA seems to have pretty solid build quality, other than the p50 for the NA market (broken front wheel) and the z50 (docking issue due to a design flaw), solid customer service seems to be better than dreame's even though they're serviced by the same group as dreame owns MOVA; Narwal which hasbuild quality seems to be pretty good with some reporting it still worked flawlessly even though it fell off a flight of stairs because their cliff sensors are a bit weird, customer service reviews are mixed; Roborock which has build quality seems to be solid overall but obstacle avoidance is their only flaw, mixed reviews of customer service from very negative to very positive); and Xiaomi which has generally solid build quality and customer service for its price (I bought from them before and when something got stuck in the wheel where I couldn't reach it, they fixed it and shipped it back in a week).

The most recent data I could find for the robot vacuum market applies only to the mainland market in 2022 or 2023 and I haven’t been able to independently verify this claim as it was posted on a forum. It claims ecovacs is the market leader, Roborock is second, Narwal is third, Dreame is fourth, and Xiaomi is behind all of them. I’m very dubious of this claim. Narwal is great with their spinning mops but I think they really can improve a lot more of their other aspects.

> I was also wondering if there's a robot model that has two liquid deposits: one that could be used to clean the ceramic tiling and one that could mop the hardwood with the specific wood liquid? I don’t think brands have surface-specific detergent tanks. The most cost effective choice is the dreame L10S ultra gen 2 in the €400-500 range for a basic all rounder or the Narwal Freo Z ultra at €549 for the most cost effective flagship robot.

I’d say the Narwal Freo Z ultra would be better suited for your home as it can specifically lower the mopping downwards force to 9N for the hardwood floors and increase it to 12N for the tiles. Do note you’d have to refill and empty the water tanks more often than the dreame and won’t have as great vacuuming for the carpets but you’ll get arguably one of the best computer vision on a robot vacuum, a really good smart cleaning mode, and pretty solid mopping.

https://www.smarthomeassistent.de/saugroboter/ Narwal robots and Roborock’s spinning mop robots have the easiest to clean mop washboard as they’re completely removable (the autoempty Narwal models have a disposable dustbin attachment to avoid cleaning it but I find that rather wasteful). The roborock base qrevo is already a pretty good robot as it’s pretty tangle resistant with an all rubber main brush. Roborock’s generally vacuum better than the Narwal but the Narwal has an antitangle conical rubber and bristle brush that works great with the smoothest obstacle avoidance for camera enabled models with the best smart clean mode. As for models, the narwal’s Freo Z ultra is at 549 euros. However it’s very water hungry and requires constant water tank refilling and emptying. This should be the most cost effective choice if you are mainly concerned with ease of maintenance.

What about the Narwal Freo Z ultra? It was €549-599 last time I checked. Would work great with long hair and fur, great mopping from spinning mops, has the best computer vision, arguably the best smart cleaning mode. The only tradeoffs are it needing to have its water tank frequently refilled (your home is 80sqm so it shouldn’t need to be refilled nearly as much compared to bigger homes), not as great vacuuming (since you have no carpet this won’t matter as much), and expensive official accessory prices (get from AliExpress or Taobao for it to be cheap).

I’d also check out Xiaomi if reliable support is important and it may be available to you since you mentioned your home’s area in square meters (Xiaomi sells most of their stuff in most of the world other than the North American market). From them I’d check out the Vacuum mop 5 pro. The Narwal Freo Z ultra is pretty easy to clean (removable mop washboards mean you won’t have to get down unlike the l40 ultra AE), has great obstacle avoidance, and has some of the best spinning mop mopping performance. It’s just that it uses a lot of water so it’s best to connect it to plumbing or get used to frequently refill the water tanks.

I have a Freo Z10 and two pets. Its tangle free can help picking up pet hair effectively.

I’ve been in your shoes before, trying to find the perfect robot vacuum for a home with pets and carpets. I finally tried the Freo Z10, and it’s been a total lifesaver. I was really impressed with how well it handles high-pile carpet and picks up pet hair—I mean, my dog sheds like crazy, but this thing takes care of it all. My cat and dog leave toys everywhere, but the Freo Z10 just glides around them without any issues. It’s also surprisingly affordable, which was a huge plus for me. I’ve been really happy with my purchase, and I think you’ll love it too!

I had the same issue with my old vacuum, especially with pet hair and the mop not working well. I ended up getting the Narwal Freo Z10, and it’s been a huge upgrade. It’s a bit more than $500, but the LIDAR mapping, anti-tangle feature, and self-cleaning are worth it. The mopping is also way better than my old one. If you can manage to save a little extra, it could be a great investment in the long run!

I totally get what you're looking for! I was in a similar situation and ended up getting the Narwal Freo Z10. It's been a game-changer for me. The mop function is really effective, and it does a great job with hair, which is super important with a dog and long hair in the house. The Freo Z10 has a special anti-tangle system that works really well, so you don't have to worry about constantly cleaning the brush. Plus, it's got a smart cleaning station that makes maintenance a breeze. And the best part? It's all under your budget of €1000. You won't be disappointed!

I got the Narwal Freo Z10, and it’s been a breath of fresh air for my home. I had the same hair and maintenance issues with my old vacuum, and this one has really made a difference. The anti-tangle brush works surprisingly well—I rarely have to deal with hair wrapped around it. Plus, the dustbin is big enough that I only need to empty it every few weeks, which is perfect for a “set it and forget it” approach. It’s also smart enough to avoid cords, so no more constantly unplugging them. The design is sleek and not bulky, and it fits well in my space. It’s a bit of an investment, but it’s worth it for the hassle-free cleaning experience.

If you want a daily “floor scrubber” without the fuss, the Narwal Freo Z10 has become my quiet workhorse—strong mop, self-washing base, and it slips under the sofa. fair for hands-free shine.

Narwal Freo Z10 to be a great fit for homes with hard floors and frequent messes. Strong mopping feature with rotating mop heads and good pressure. Self-cleaning station is a plus, and it's been reliable in navigating around obstacles.

I'd recommend Narwal Freo Z10. It's been a lifesaver for managing all the dog hair without any hassle. The strong suction is spot on for floors, and having a self-emptying bin is such a convenience.

I bought Narwal Freo Z10; it just rolls over the 2 cm bathroom sill, ignores scattered crayons and socks, and finishes the whole flat while I’m out. I don't know the price is over your budget or not, but I consider that you can know more about it.

I understand you're looking for a reliable robot vacuum and mop combo under $800, especially with Prime Day deals. I got the Narwal Freo Z10, and I've been really impressed with its performance and features. It offers powerful suction at 15,000Pa and excellent mopping capabilities, which is perfect for a mix of floors and carpets. The Freo Z10 also has a self-maintaining base station that handles tasks like emptying the dustbin, washing and drying the mop, and refilling water, which means less maintenance for you. During Prime Day, you can get it for a great price, making it an excellent value for what it offers. It's reliable, efficient, and with its tangle-free system, it's especially good for homes with pets. I think it's a fantastic choice for your needs.

I’ve been using the Narwal Freo Z10 myself, and my experience is a bit different from yours with the Flow. But it works really well on my mixed floors(hardwood, tile, rugs), don't need to pay much attention. Day-to-day a easy use.

I’ve been running the Freo Z10 alongside. It sidesteps unexpected obstacles like it has second sight, and the mopping actually leaves the hardwood feeling freshly hand-washed—no faint paw prints an hour later. After watching it quietly weave around slippers and then park itself to rinse its own pads.

Check out Narwal Freo Z10, no cameras. i've been using it for a month, the cleaning result is quite impressive

Narwal Freo Z10 is a solid NO if you have pets. If has poor object detection and ran over my large dogs' paw. Constantly tangles itself with cords, socks, sandals, bedding, towels etc. *

Hope this helps: Under $300/400 look at the Dreame D10 Plus Gen 2, roborock Q10 S5+ Under $600 look at the Mova P10 Pro Ultra, roborock Qrevo Series, Dreame L40 Ultra Under $1000 look at the Mova P50 Pro Ultra, Narwal Freo Z10, Narwal Freo Z Ultra, Dreame X40 Ultra Love Narwal for pet hair so with 2 dogs and 1 cat I think that might be the way to go with your hairy household! If I had to pick the P50 Pro Ultra, either Narwal you would be happy with. The Mova P10, Qrevo Series, L40 Ultra are very respectable as well!

Hope this helps: Under $300/400 look at the Dreame D10 Plus Gen 2, roborock Q10 S5+ Under $600 look at the Mova P10 Pro Ultra, roborock Qrevo Series, Dreame L40 Ultra Under $1000 look at the Mova P50 Pro Ultra, Narwal Freo Z10, Narwal Freo Z Ultra, Dreame X40 Ultra Love Narwal for pet hair so with 2 dogs and 1 cat I think that might be the way to go with your hairy household! If I had to pick the P50 Pro Ultra, either Narwal you would be happy with. The Mova P10, Qrevo Series, L40 Ultra are very respectable as well!

For this it was strictly price that was all since the Z Ultra is a couple bucks cheaper and good enough imo!

I went with the Narwal Freo Z Ultra after comparing a few options, and it’s been a game-changer. It handles fur and mixed floors easily, and the self-cleaning base makes upkeep effortless. I looked at Roborock and Qrevo too, but the Freo felt more refined for daily use. With Prime Day around the corner and big discounts expected, now’s a great time to grab it.

I got the Narwal Freo Z Ultra, and I've been really impressed with it. It's got this great feature where you can control the water output precisely, so you don't have to worry about it leaking or dispensing water when you just want to vacuum. Plus, the mapping and navigation are top-notch, and it handles pet hair like a champ. It's a bit of an upgrade, but it's worth it if you want a hassle-free cleaning experience.

I got the Narwal Freo Z Ultra a few months ago, and it’s honestly been a game changer. It vacuums and mops without leaving streaks, and it’s been great on shiny floors. What I really love is how little effort it takes—the base cleans and dries the mops on its own, so I barely have to lift a finger. It usually goes for just under £1000, but with Prime Day discounts, now’s probably the best time to get one.

Narwal Is the only robot that even attempts to clean the baseboard but the only thing the frio z or x does is run a muff along it. It doesn't actually clean. It's a duster. And the frio x and z have some other problems. Notably they are water hogs and you have to refill the water all the time. After every single run.

My enthusiasm is based on three factors. The first is never having to change the water. The second and arguably more important one is that this is the only robot I've ever tested that never got clogged. If you live with animals or kids, you have to breathe larger than Cheerios on your floor. And no matter what anyone says, almost every robot in the world struggles with debris that size. But I could show you video of the 3i literally eating everything on the floor. It was insane to watch. Those two front. Sweepers are the most efficient that I've ever seen. Just fantastic. And then the third is that the mop which is a roller actually extends out as opposed to a number of robots that have gotten into rollers but they don't extend. I mean I know it sounds like I'm paid by the company but I assure you, I am not. It was just the best unit I've ever used and I've held on to it.

It's a toss-up under these conditions. The freo z is a good model but a water hog. You can read my review of it. You have to change the water so often that it's a deal-breaker for me. Now they have a kit so you can wire it to your water line and you don't have to change it anymore but that's 200 bucks. So now we're talking about the cost of the freo plus the water line kit versus the l40. I keep recommending the l40 not because I thought it was a really great premium robot. It was a just fine premium robot. But when you compare it to other $500 robots, it blows them out of the water. So tldr, l40 ultra.

Oy. First, you're doing great... I suffer from the same problems which is why I got into robots. And they DO help. my mood is so much better just seeing the clean floor. I do think it'll help with that. It'll still need SOME intervention, so set expectations right. but... that's ok. its going to get much better. Generally, i would say that as crappy as it is, you get more when you pay more. but that doesn't mean you NEED more... some features are just nice to have, not essential. So don't feel you NEED the 3i S10 or the Saros 10. You can get away with less. So my main concerns are the pet accidents and the cooking messes. My vacuums struggle most in the kitchen, because I drop stuff while cooking, and while it can deal with small stuff (under the size of a cheerio) bigger stuff is an issue. Also, very few mops are good enough to get out kitchen stains on their own. But I have another solution for that! If you can clean up the bigger stuff, you'll be a lot happier w the robots performance. On the pet messes... almost every vacuum out there, certainly the ones you mention, have poop avoidance. So you're good. Urine is different.... but on some level, you want the robot to get those, anyways. I don't like the Eufy bots. Ive explained why over and over again, but that's also just me. Lots of people are super happy with them, but that won't make me recommend them. I love the S8 MaxV Ultra, and its universally liked in the industry, so that's not just me. I feel like the Saros 10 is an incremental improvement over the S8, so its worth a few extra hundred bucks, but not like, 700$. I LOVE the 3i... but people have rightful concerns.. its a new company. Its VERY heavy. its a tall robot. I'm very, very happy with it, and its gotten very good reviews from other outlets like vacuum wars and tom's... so I feel pretty good about it, but I like it for you for a different reason. Its autonomous. You don't ever have to change the water, and it vacuums up EVERYTHING. ALL THE THINGS. big, small, whatever.

Narwal Freo Z Ultra is the best with avoidance.

Narwal Freo Z Ultra

Brushes sides and corners just fine with two brushes that reach past the body, and is literally the best mop in a robot. Actual mops don't have onboard water tanks either.

I have the e25 and the Freo z ultra both installed in my home right now. In my experience, the Narwal clears the e25 by a long mile largely due to its superior navigation (e25 gets stuck in between furniture legs that are about the width of the robot, always trucks over furniture legs that lay low to the ground), quietness when drying wet mop (e25 emits an annoying buzzing sound while it drys), less maintenance due to lack of onboard dirty water tank, and expanded features and customization in the app. Bonus is the Narwal was purchased from Costco. For mopping, yes the Narwal requires more visits to base for mop washing due to lack of onboard water tank, but in terms of mopping effectiveness, I feel like they are neck and neck.

Yes, I think it bests these options for this use case. The main issue I have with it is app limitations, particularly the ability to divide open floor plans, but there are ways to work around this.

I also believe the Freo Z is the best choice here. But note the app has significant limitations... Main one is dividing rooms in open areas, but you can get around this by erecting temporary walls (cardboard, trash bags, tape, etc) just for the mapping.

I agree that the ads that look like reviews are definitely dishonorable, but the Freo Z is a solid product that does not appear overpriced to me for what you get, currently $1099 US on Amazon. I've used it extensively and put it through a lot of tests, and it's in the top 3 bots on the market along with Curv and X40, and may be the best choice for those that value obstacle avoidance and anti-tangling over corner and edge cleaning.

Agreed. Qrevo Master's obstacle avoidance is absolute trash. It may as well not exist at all. I had Narwal Freo Z Ultra before this and I kind of regret returning that and getting this. The only thing I hated about the Narwal was not having an onboard water tank and not having extending floor sweeping arm, but obstacle avoidance on it was top notch. Never got stuck on anything. Qrevo is so dumb in comparison. Even if it detects something, it will still push it around because it has no clue where the obstacle exactly is. Having to get all the cords, objects off the ground is no different to what I was doing when I was using 1st gen xiaomi robot vac. I ran the vacuum this morning after I left and made sure to clean up everything from the floor but somehow this damn thing got something stuck in its main brush. Seriously frustrated with this product.

Narwal freo z ultra. Using since last 1 year. There have been some hiccups but overall very happy with it

If you really need good obstacle avoidance then the narwal freo z ultra is one of the best. Most robots that mop have a carpet sensor to prevent wetting rugs/carpets. Plus they can raise the mop pads or leave them at the base automatically. What’s your budget and what region/country are you located? Is your house multi story?

If obstacle avoidance is important then you should look at the narwal freo z ultra if it’s in your price range.

Mine was $1500. I got it for $500 off on prime day last year. So $1k I guess. Wonderful purchase I love it. It's super quiet, it vacuums and mops. It uses ai to learn the cleaning area, avoid obstacles and hazards. I've literally never had an issue with it. You can set it to zone clean or room clean, tell it what types of floors are in what areas. I've never had to do that though because it identified them automatically. It cleans baseboards. It's self cleaning all I have to do is empty the dirty water tank and refill the clean water tank at the base station. Floors look spotless after it's done.  Narwal Freo Z Ultra if anyone's interested. It's currently $849 on Amazon for prime day

I have the Z Ultra. It definitely does a much better job than my roomba S9+. There are definitely some features wanting. For example the app sucks and you need to remap the floor if you want the bot to access a new area that you unblock. But in actual operation of the vacuum and the mop. Unbelievable improvement. Even when not mopping it is intelligent to notice a mess and dry mop it up to avoid damaging vacuum. I also wish the mop system was more efficient or had a bigger tank. Just making sure to “vacuum then mop” rather than”vacuum and mop” seems to help a lot. Additionally it avoids and gets stuck 1/15 times even without cleanup. With my roomba a it would get stuck 13/15 times WITH cleanup.

I have been using NARWAL Freo Z Ultra for 6 months. I'm satisfied with it so far. Mopping performance is great. It does a pretty good job for Obstacle Avoidance, except for some little issues like detecting things like cables.

I totally get it — the fur and muddy paw prints drive me nuts. I got the Narwal Freo Z Ultra and it’s been clutch. Super strong suction, dual mops, avoids obstacle — I just run it daily and it keeps the place clean without me doing much.

Consider Narwal. I bought one for each of my two floors and they performed extremely well.

We like our Z Ultra. Brought this one nearly 8 months ago. Narwal always shows a great performance in mopping. And the quietness is a bonus.

We like our Z Ultra. Brought this one nearly 8 months ago. Narwal always shows a great performance in mopping. And the quietness is a bonus.

I’ve actually been using the Narwal Freo Z Ultra for about 7 months now, and I’m honestly super happy with it — especially when it comes to obstacle avoidance (which was a huge concern for me too).It uses a dual-camera system + dual AI chips, so it’s surprisingly smart at dodging stuff. I’ve got a dog too, and between toys, cords, and the occasional… accident 😅, it’s done a great job steering clear. I haven’t had any “poopocalypse” incidents since switching.Also love that it separates dirty and clean water tanks for mopping (dry/wet separation is legit), and it’s really quiet when it runs — I barely notice it. Can’t speak for the Dreame X40 Ultra, but from my own daily use, the Freo Z Ultra has been totally worth it.

I have been using NARWAL Freo Z Ultra for 6 months. I'm satisfied with it so far. Mopping performance is great. It does a pretty good job for Obstacle Avoidance, except for some little issues like detecting things like cables.

i have a small dog too, so i get the concern — hair builds up fast. i’ve been using the narwal freo z ultra lately and it’s handled the shedding pretty well. the brush doesn’t really get tangled, and it cleans the mop by itself which is nice. not perfect, but for mostly hard floors and some rugs like you mentioned, it’s been solid so far.

I’ve had the Narwal Freo Z Ultra for almost a year. It’s been great. Picks up dirt well, mops fine, and rarely gets stuck. One thing I really like is the obstacle avoidance, works better than I expected. It does use a bit more water than I expected, but that’s never been a big deal for me, I don’t mind that. Feels worth it for how clean the floors get. No major issues so far. Would recommend if you want something that just works.

Hmmm you are tempting me..I have a freo z but I do notice that if i use a white dish towel to go over places sometimes it's not as clean as I think it should be but it's running mops over and dragging dirt and I don't love that

I got an e25 eufy and unfortunately it's just OK definitely doesn't use as much water as my Z Ultra but it also doesn't kick out the roller mop to get close to the cabinets it also seems to like to do vacuum and mop the most there were some spots on my lvp that it just didn't get up at all after two times of mopping over them and same thing with some coffee spill in the kitchen mopped twice and didn't get it

Isn't it a mova z50 that is the roller mop?? 🤔 i want to try that or narwal flow... i have narwal freo z ultra now and it is good but uses a Lotta water.. and doesn't get close enough to the kick boards in the kitchen.. none of them so far even e25 and e28.. 28 is cool that it has a hand vac for accidents

I still have I8+ roomba and still use it to vacuum as most robots these days are kinda slow because of having to think so hard lol.. most won't clean to the edges sufficiently dreame x40 did cuz of arm but didn't like spin brushes leaving a gap when mopping...narwal z had for 8 mos no real problems but again vacuuming seems better with 2 rollers like roomba's..but does decently enough when mopping and vacuuming..all of them get stuck sometimes 🤔 but freo z does have great obstacle avoidance but uses a bunch of water.. e25 liked but mop didn't extend and vacuum was meh.. have 3i s10 now but it does get stuck in a few places ..doesn't like some carpets but does have water recycling and drawing it from the humidity in air..super cool! also have checked water quality and it is great! for mopping..doesn't leave weird mottleing on my white tile.. but have been hearing people having to return them cuz things go wrong with them?. I also use this one in mop and vacuum mode after roomba goes 1st cuz that seems to help it go closer to cabinets.. I clearly have an issue cuz I want to keep them all! They need better battery life, and faster processing to finish jobs..seems more innovation more problems so depends on your particular house but don't give up the roomba just yet lol I've had mine since it came out!! And it keeps going even with same battery it came with but I take care of it / them maintenance wise..

I still have I8+ roomba and still use it to vacuum as most robots these days are kinda slow because of having to think so hard lol.. most won't clean to the edges sufficiently dreame x40 did cuz of arm but didn't like spin brushes leaving a gap when mopping...narwal z had for 8 mos no real problems but again vacuuming seems better with 2 rollers like roomba's..but does decently enough when mopping and vacuuming..all of them get stuck sometimes 🤔 but freo z does have great obstacle avoidance but uses a bunch of water.. e25 liked but mop didn't extend and vacuum was meh.. have 3i s10 now but it does get stuck in a few places ..doesn't like some carpets but does have water recycling and drawing it from the humidity in air..super cool! also have checked water quality and it is great! for mopping..doesn't leave weird mottleing on my white tile.. but have been hearing people having to return them cuz things go wrong with them?. I also use this one in mop and vacuum mode after roomba goes 1st cuz that seems to help it go closer to cabinets.. I clearly have an issue cuz I want to keep them all! They need better battery life, and faster processing to finish jobs..seems more innovation more problems so depends on your particular house but don't give up the roomba just yet lol I've had mine since it came out!! And it keeps going even with same battery it came with but I take care of it / them maintenance wise..

Unfortunately the robots do have a fatal flaw in his their quality control they are not good but if you get a good one you tend to want to keep them and I have a really good narwhal Z and I have a very good narwhal flow and they both have their applications and that one is better than the other in certain circumstances!

Unfortunately the robots do have a fatal flaw in his their quality control they are not good but if you get a good one you tend to want to keep them and I have a really good narwhal Z and I have a very good narwhal flow and they both have their applications and that one is better than the other in certain circumstances . Just an observation!!

The narwal flow and the freo z are great to have !

Yup good choices.. I still like the Narwhal Z for a couple of my rooms because it seems to mop more space of the small area of mopping space that's in there because of the larger rugs.. and I have some spots that don't seem to go away very easily and even with the flow going back out several times it didn't clean it enough I think heavier pressure is necessary

Flow is great for bigger open areas..z does better in smaller rooms with carpets!

The z50 has me interested but not in US..freo z is good but no great for edges..I have an old roomba that vacuums pretty well and gets the edges so I just do another vacuum run then mop and has been great for 9 mos so far..tried a few others eufy s25ultra ultra and the 3i s10 and have to say the water recycling is amazing but also struggles with edges and got stuck in places none did before so..gonna try the flow cuz on paper looks like some decent edge cleaning but don't know how well it vacuums..the dual rollers seem to do best for that..but I have my old roomba for that..plus the pre-order price is reasonable with 3 yr warranty plus extra accessories 😉

I’ve been in a similar situation with hardwood floors and multiple pets. The Narwal Freo Z Ultra is definitely worth considering for your needs. It handles pet hair really well and navigates around furniture and cables without getting stuck. The LIDAR mapping ensures efficient cleaning, and its self-emptying feature means less maintenance. Plus, it mops just as effectively as it vacuums, keeping your floors clean without the hassle of changing water buckets. It’s a great option to reduce manual cleaning efforts!

I ended up with a Narwal Freo Ultra Z after much deliberation.

I'll first point out: make sure what you get is compatible with 240V power. You don't want to fry your new robot when you get home. I'd also echo FarConcern2308's warning about warranty issues. Multi-floor support is likely to be more about the manufacturer than the model. Dreame, Roborock, and Narwal seem to be the safe choices. Eufy can do it as well, but it's a bit more annoying to use from my experience. Shark multi-floor support is basically nonexistent. iRobot is behind in navigation generally. For mopping, there are basically two choices: the Eufy S1 Pro, and everything else. Feature-wise, the S1 Pro is a bit behind the other robots; this includes things like extending mops, AI mess detection, automatic re-mopping, and the like. But the S1 Pro has the best mop on the market, in my opinion. Most of the better mops today use two spinning circular pads on the rear of the robot, but the S1 Pro uses a roller mop along with an onboard mop cleaning system and dirty water tank. This means that the mop surface is constantly being cleaned as the robot is mopping, while the other robots can only add clean water to their pads, and have to go back to the base every so often to clean them. I've got a S1 Pro, and am really happy with its mop performance; like you, I mostly need mine for hard floors. For hair tangles, my beloved S1 Pro is unfortunately middle-of-the-road, particularly on carpets. You'll need to clear the main brush axles of accumulated hair every so often even on hard floors. Dreame seems to have the best system here, with their tricut brush that can be added on to most of their newer robots. Amazingly, a budget vacuum (the Eufy L60 with self-empty station) gets top marks here as well, although the mop performance is more in line with a budget system and not very good. It doesn't sound like object avoidance is as big a deal, but just for completeness: the high-end robots from Eufy, Narwal, and Dreame are going to be best at avoiding stuff on the floor. Anything with LIDAR should be able to steer clear of taller objects, but the Eufy S1 Pro, Dreame X40 Ultra, and Narwal Freo Z have multiple front sensors and advanced software for the smaller stuff. Roborock is a step behind, generally, although there are reports that their most recent releases have improved in this area. I'll also point out that some of the manufacturers have sub-brands that are nearly as good and often cheaper. (Or super-brands; some Roborock and Dreame models are re-sold under the Xiaomi name, though not so much in the USA.) I hope that helps. Do check out the online reviews; a few good places on YouTube are Vacuum Wars, Just A Dad, and Jamie Andrews. There are also a lot of good people here, some of whom might disagree with some of my conclusions; definitely pay attention to those differences of opinion. No one robovac can do it all just yet, so the biggest thing is prioritizing your must-haves and deciding what weaknesses you can live with. Good luck!

The narwal freo z ultra and freo x ultra both have anti tangle brushes. In my 1+ months of using both of them, no hairs has ever got stuck in the brush or the axle. My wife has super long hair which always annoys me - gets stuck on the regular vacuums brush and the roborock s7 (axles, not on the rollers). But with the narwal, I never had to clean them once. Narwal does a pretty good job of vacuuming and mopping but the app isn't mature and the same goes for the robots themselves. They have some quirks - the mapping/ map updating kinda sucks sometimes and both the robots I had to re-map the house at least 2-3 times. Also, splitting rooms or modifications to the map also has some quirks that annoy me so much. I also had some concerns on privacy so I returned the freo z, still have the freo x, will use it for a bit and decide. The only thing holding me from returning the narwals was/is the anti tangle brush.

Narwal Freo Z Ultra has the best obstacle avoidance of any robot on the market. Self cleaning everything, and it will adjust the temperature of the water according to the dirt composition on the pads. My only complaint with it is that you have to change the water often if you do a lot of mopping. I assume their automatic water exchange system will eliminate that issue for me once it get it.

We talk about big brands only, but tbh Narwal Freo Z Ultra is very good! I have used the Freo X ultra before but the Z ultra is a very good improvement

Narwal Freo Z Ultra from Costco (great return policy on robot vaccums)... have been using the X Ultra and now Z ultra for 5-6 months. No hair tangles....

I have the Narwal Freo Z Ultra and absolutely love it! It is expensive but with my 3000 square-foot LVP flooring house it’s sooo worth it! Sweeping/Vacuuming and mopping took forever! My LVP flooring has ridges and was such a pain to get clean. The Narwal does a fantastic job vacuuming and mopping. I contacted customer service once in the year and and half I’ve owned it they were fantastic, come to find out it was my own fault. I wasn’t cleaning the inner tray occasionally “where the vacuum is housed” easy fix cleaned it.😂

Love my NARWAL Freo Z Ultra. I have a large house, numerous large area rugs, it doesn’t have a problem with any floor type. I love the way it mops, and the shape of the mop pads gets very close to the edges. Watch a few YouTube videos on the brands you’re thinking of, also read lots of reviews, it sure helped me decide what was the best fit for me and my floors. I had to contact customer support and they were great, it was about a error code message I didn’t understand. It was a little water in the tray (normal) but I didn’t know it! You have to clean it every once in a while.

This. Dreame L40 Ultra or Narwal Freo Z Ultra (specfically from Costco, USA) I went for Eufy S1 Pro based on my requirements (hardwood floors, no kids, no pets, condo living with closed windows). My floors are usually clean (no-one dragging dirt into the unit) and clutter free. I also have an ancient Roomba that does an adequate job. I wanted a good mop essentially (since I procrastinate mopping a lot). But Dreame L40 ultra was a close competitor. I would have bought it were it not for: \- Its mopping is secondary to Eufy S1 Pro. \- Its product support is atrocious. Mine is admittedly a narrow use-case and will stay so for the foreseeable future. But outside that, either Dreame L40 Ultra is a top dog for both vacuuming and mopping.

I have a Narwal Freo Z Ultra, and half my house is at a 45° angle to the test, with one room shaped like an odd of pentagon and another room with a curved wall. No problems mapping or navigating (even though the cleaning pattern keeps parallel/perpendicular to the base even in the skewed rooms, but it’s not really an issue). Dm me if you want so I can share some screenshots of the map and cleaning patterns.

I’m finding the Narwal Freo Z Ultra (which now can be had for a lot less than 900€) excellent at navigation, and excellent at hard floors. It’s acceptable on carpets. It uses its own detergent cartridge but it easily lasts 4-6 months and can be refilled with a syringe if you don’t want to buy a new one.

Le Narwal me semble le compromis idéal , les tests sont unanimes, je partais pour un Qrevo Curv mais je vais finalement prendre le Freo Z bien meilleur en détection d’obstacles . Pour moi la priorité c’est puissance d’aspi et brosse anti tangle et les 2 sont excellents J’attends le black Friday avec impatience en espérant que Narwal fera de bonnes offres 🤞

Really enjoyed it for a little over a month. One of the main wheels decided to stop turning and there was nothing stuck in it. Customer service was helpful enough and I'm waiting on a repair... But other than that it seems like it was working really well. I run it at least once a day and then another time around the litter box area so I don't step on litter in my kitchen. Seems like it was doing a good job and I was doing a mopping at least once a week. Refilling the water is a little annoying, it does use a good bit depending on the setting. Uh.... They have the extra attachment for like 300 bucks if you want to hook it up to your line where the washer normally goes or wherever else you might have water output and waste so that you don't have to refill it... I was going to buy one right now I would probably buy that one model from that random Chinese company that pulls water out of the air so it doesn't have to be refilled. It looks pretty neat but I know it's a less well-known company.

They got me a repair and sent it back and seems to be working well

Depends if it's thin pile or high pile rugs. We only have area rugs that are pretty thin to mid pile and coming from an s9 to the narwal freo z ultra, we haven't noticed any difference.

You don't necessarily need a roomba. The newest ones have actually just caught up with roborock, narwal, dreame etc but I'd recommend buying a model you can find at Costco. Their return policy is priceless imo for a robot vacuum in particular. I've had various roomba's and other robot vacuums for 15 or so years now. We now have a narwal freo z ultra and it's amazing. Mopping is a game changer.

I got the same, I went with their Amazon store though since I have the Amazon card for cash back. I'm 90% tile floors so the mopping is really what I'm looking forward to

that is a good deal, probably should have checked out Costco lol

Not sure what you're talking about. I have a Freo Z and it's great. The reviews generally put it at or near the top for mopping and my experience with it has been very positive.

Bought the Narwal Freo Z Ultra from Costco. Even with the sale price its still a lot to drop. We'll see if it's worth it. Might go with a Roborock if i feel like it's not worth the tag.

Im also about 90% tile/hardwood floors. I thought about the 5-6% cash back from Amazon card but the accessories package that comes with the Costco version make up for that. Plus the return policy will back me if it fails. Link to screenshot of accessories: [Costco](https://imgur.com/a/qHrgAsJ)

$1099 before taxes Comes with replacement parts [https://imgur.com/a/qHrgAsJ](https://imgur.com/a/qHrgAsJ)

Awesome. Good luck with it. Please share your experience if you have the time. I likely will put a review out in a month or two and another in a year for an update.

There’s still time! Costco deal ends 12/1 I think. Or until it sells out

For mopping I would say Narwal Freo Z Ultra. Or wait for Narwal Flow with different way or work

I started with a cheap $200 Roomba. It would run into everything to orient itself. Upgraded to a $400 lefant N3 and it was much better. Better obstacle avoidance, suction, battery, navigation, and wouldn't run in to stuff to orient itself. The mop was meh and it would tangle on short hair often so I upgraded again to $600 mova p10 pro ultra and wow it's amazing. Like a 9/10 in my books. Navigation could be slightly better, and mopping is good but could be even better but very satisfied overall. I can't live without robo vacs anymore and recommend everyone try a good one out. I'd say the best would be one of like dreame x50 ultra or robo rock 10R or narwal freo z ultra but those are like $1400

I just got a Narwal Freo Z Ultra. It’s on sale at $800 currently. I’ve been blown away. There are lots of reviews from all our favorite home assistant YouTubers. This thing has so many features. The obstacle avoidance is better than I ever could have imagined. And my floors are so clean. However, it doesn’t really integrate with home assistant. Their newer models claim they’re getting matter support, but no news on the Freo line. I’m guessing they won’t get matter. I can control it roundabout by sending commands through Alexa. The camera features are all opt-in, not opt out, so that’s good. But it does need internet. And I made sure to segregate it on my iot+internet vlan. Not ideal, but I’m okay with it for the value of the robot in total. My sense was most of the robot vacuums needed some sort of cloud (unless you’re going to flash your own firmware or something).

So the Narwal Freo Z Ultra still has one of the highest object avoidance scores on Vaccum Wars, which IMO should be the first consideration. I wouldn't want a great mopping vacuum that basically eats everything in its path. The mopping score is not that high, but I think it's because it's slow and has to dock every time to get more water. That being said, the mop itself is supposedly really good because it has a lot of downward pressure. So if you don't care about the speed/efficiency, the Narwal Freo Z Ultra is a good robot at only $850 from Costco.

if you have a costco membership get one there. you get peace of mind with its lifetime return policy. they have a few roborocks including the high end qx revo ultra which is the same as qrevo edgeT that was on sale for $950. i recently got the narwal freo z ultra which id actually recommend for you with your dogs. it has one of the highest object recognition scores of any robot (good for poop and cables) and high pet hair scores. i got it for $850 which is a good price for that imo object recognition is the most important feature and roborock has mediocre object recognition compared to the competition

I can't speak on the Eufy, but Costco sold the Freo Z Ultra for $850. Bought mine a few weeks ago and I love mine. The Freo Z Ultra still has one of the highest obstacle avoidance scores on Vacuum Wars and is still one of the highest rated for Pets. In my opinion, the best robot is one you don't have to babysit, therefore obstacle avoidance is the most important thing. Bonus is when it's sold at Costco so you don't have to worry about returns.

ah yeah i can see that being an potential issue. i dont have heavily soiled floors so i dont have an answer for you. but i know the freo z ultra will go back and forth to clean up a certain spot until its clean. idk if heavy mud will gunk it up too much. tbh i dont think a roller pad would be good for that either.

oh if its just paw prints yeah it should be fine. the freo z ultra has really high mopping performance. the mopping rating though is average only because it doesn't have water dispensing built into the robot, so it has to go back to the dock frequently to wet the pads. and i think the AI setting uses too much water imo. both of these are non-problems to me. as long as it cleans it and doesnt run over shit, i'm happy.

You really can’t go wrong if you are willing to spend $1000+ and pick a flagship model. My personal experience is Narwal Freo Z Ultra has the best AI avoidance for things like cords or strings. The brush is also tangle free, allegedly. So that would be great for your cats. Get it at Costco so you can return it if it breaks two years from now or you just don’t like it. Currently on sale too for about $400 off. My second choice would Eufy S1 Pro if mopping is the most important to you. Wait for it to go sale at Amazon for $999. Its AI avoidance is very good, but carpet performance suffers. I’d recommend Roborock but I haven’t owned one yet that doesn’t run right over cords. I have the S8 Max V Ultra. No experience with Dreame or Ecovacs/Yedi. Stay away from iRobot.

Narwal Freo Z Ultra if you want as close to perfect obstacle avoidance and tangle free as you can get. It’s also good at avoiding cords and quiet. Their replacement accessories are ridiculously priced (look elsewhere). Not great on carpet. Eufy S1 Pro rains supreme as a mopping robot, and has decent avoidance but not as good as the Narwal. Terrible at carpet. Have yet to use a Roborock that doesn’t eat cords.

Your S9 will blow the Narwal away on carpet. The Z Ultra is better than the 10R on carpet though.

At $850 today, the Freo Z Ultra is tough to beat for all tile. The only downside is you will be refilling the water tank a lot.

I give Matic the Platinum award for industrial design. It's friendly, fun and blends in. Most people wouldn't even know it's a vacuum. The Gold goes to Narwal. They've really cared about this since the beginning and their competitors—Roborock Curv and DJI Romo—have copied them which I also really like. Silver goes to Eufy's S1 Pro. My family calls it the "Tron vacuum" because of its translucent plastics and illuminating ring. Bronze goes to the MOVA P and V line. I like the white version and I actually prefer the glossy because it's easier to wipe clean. I'd give the Dyson 360 Nav an honorable mention just because it looks beefy, like it's ready for business and comes in a cool color.

I have an inside/outside cat. He mostly ignores the Freo Z Ultra, but when they do come close to each other, it pauses just like any other obstacle. Now, I don't trust it 100% not to suck up a hairball or vomit. That's asking for trouble. My cat doesn't have accidents unless sick. Anyone that has a Eufy S1 Pro or variant knows cleaning out the onboard dirty water reservoir is a PITA. Narwal has decided to keep that reservoir internal and use some new tech/methods to keep it clean. There's a paddle in the base station that keeps the dirty water mixed and easier to suck up and the Chinese reviews that have removed the onboard reservoir after a few months of use, seem to be favorable. Personally, I think you are going to see more and more of this concept as no-one wants to clean an onboard water reservoir. You still have to clean the dirty water tank on the base station. I suspect, like the Freo Z, the Flow will use a ton of water to keep the track-style mop clean and require refilling after every 1 or 2 uses. Of my robots, the Narwal maintains the cleanest base station and mop pads. That's their trademark (because using lots of water to wash works!) and I suspect the Flow will continue that trend.

You can turn off the hot water washing feature on the Freo Z. So, I expect you'll be able to on the Flow, if you are concerned but it doesn't have an onboard heater. That water may come out warm, but by the time it fills the internal tank up, gets the track mop wet and takes off. It will cool down quickly. It's not like it's a steam mop.

In this list, you pay more for obstacle avoidance and special features like threshold climbing. That's the main difference between the mid and high tiers. And sometimes build quality. If you have a lot of thresholds and need climbing wheels, the Dreame X50. If you have a lot of obstacles that need avoiding (toys, poop, etc), the Freo Z Ultra. It should be heavily discounted for Black Friday since it's been superseded by the Flow and Freo Z10 Ultra. Keep in mind, consumables are higher for the Narwal's. If you want a more well rounded bot with probably the best app, the Saros 10R. But you're gonna pay out the nose—don't pay more than $1399 for it. I'd probably stay away from the Qrevo S at this point. It's the oldest of the bunch. The Freo Z and Saros 10R will feel more premium, if that matters to you. I'd consider the MOVA V50 Ultra Complete too. It's basically an X50 with a nicer base station and cheaper price. Do not buy before Black Friday.

Narwal Freo Z Ultra and Eufy S1 Pro both going strong. 💪

The Roborock Curv, Dreame vacuums with the tri cut brush as the other person mentioned, and Narwarl Freo Z Ultra are probably the ones you want. Curv and Freo Z have brushes that are designed to pick up the hair and then the hair travels along the brush until it falls of the brush and is vacuumed up. The Dreame one cuts the brush, however the brush design results in weaker debris pick up.

Can confirm. Narwal Freo Z Ultra owner since day 1 after launch, running daily with an automatic water exchange unit. Aside from changing and washing the pads every 2 weeks and the dock itself, completely hands off. 6 pets (3 cats, 3 dogs), 4 long haired humans, zero tangles from fur or humans. Occasional twist ties gets tangled. Pretty sure a cat finds them in my office and bats them around and then they get run over, but all robots will have this problem.

I have the freo Z now. I love everything about it. My second Freo unit, started off with the original Freo, upgraded when it got an auto empty dust bin. Also has two Roomba i7+ units and a braava M6. Love the roomba's too but the Freo Z is hands down just an overall better unit in every way. I also have the automatic water exchange unit for it. Absolute game changer.

We have the Narwal Freo Z Ultra and it does a really good job. It empties itself and I plumbed it into a nearby sink for water and drain so it can even clean its own mops. We just have to empty the dust bin and refill the mop concentrate when it asks, but otherwise once trained it just does it's going while we sleep. Kinda like the old cartoon with elves and the cobbler.

Got my Narwal Freo Z Ultra at Black Friday! It works flawlessly, super impressed with the mopping performance.

I'd recommend the Narwal Freo Z Ultra

I’m on the same page. Own two Matics. One is still in the box. Very beta and very frustrating not knowing it would be this beta for the initial owners. I’m looking forward to receiving the Narwal Freo Z Ultra back that’s being delivered next week. In retrospect, the Narwal was the best bot I’ve had and immediately regretted returning it upon initial use of the Matic.

The only object avoidance issue I encountered with the Narwal was with a cat toy that consists of strands of fabric at the end of the stick. The Narwal, as well as Matic, never avoid it and suck it into the brush roller. The main floor of my house is mainly hardwood with several area rugs, both thick wool and low pile. In my experience, the Narwal has better fur pickup given its roller brush design compared to the Matic. I watched the Matic run over some fur that was very lightly pressed into the wool rug several times and never picked it up. I suppose this is a good time for me to elaborate on my frustrations with Matic thus far: 1. Edge cleaning: Matic does not conduct edge cleaning and is a feature they are working on. Of all the robots I’ve used, it cleans the furthest away from walls and edges of furniture. 2. Toe Kick cleaning: Matic does not conduct any toe kick cleaning and according to Matic is a feature they will begin rolling out by the end of the year. I’m curious to see how they handle this given the design of the hardware and small side brush that extends out when the Matic is conducting its final “edge” clean of a room… which is about 6”+ away from the actual edge, at best. In the meantime, all pet fur and dirt are safe hiding beneath the toe kick with no fear of being caught. 2a. Speaking of being caught, there is no dirt detection sensor built-in what so ever. I confirmed this with Matic. All detection is done with vision. Matic will never know if it needs to spend additional time vacuuming an area or not. 3. Poop avoidance: Doesn’t exist. Matic has run over poop several times causing the diaper bag inside to reek of crap. Imagine poop being collected inside of the bag and then mixed with water as the Matic mops the floor. Mmmmmm yummy. Sure does smell nice and fresh! At this point I have to inject that other members of my household are not fans of Matic and do not want it running when we’re not home. I agree with them completely. I have yet to have Matic conduct a full 1,300 square foot clean of the same area Narwal would complete without intervention. What took Narwal 2.5 hours to clean is, at best, taking Matic 4.5 to 5 hours. Much of this is attributed to how Matic has to first vacuum and then mop whereas Narwal can do it all at the same time. Matic currently vacuums rooms in one direction first and then vacuums the entire room running in the opposite direction. This criss cross behavior alone doubles the amount of time to clean the same space whereas Narwal could do it in one pass. According to Matic, this is deliberate in order to ensure complete cleaning. I can understand the intent but I’m currently not a fan given the fact I can’t event complete a cleaning job without issues arising. Watching the figure eight pattern that Matic cleans in when turning around is exhausting to watch knowing how efficient Narwal is. Matic is aware of this and working on enhancing its cleaning pattern. 4. The first evening I ran Matic, it had a difficult time navigating beneath my bed as it was mapping the room. Given its camera-only navigation beneath the bed, it’s easy to understand how it could struggle. I also gained a nice scratch on the top plastic housing of Matic because of it getting stuck and me needing to retrieve it from its confusion. 5. It’s louder than the Narwal Freo Z Ultra. You can definitely work from home with the Narwal working. Matic is louder. 6. Untangling something stuck in the roller is rather easy, however, DO NOT flip Matic upside down with liquid in the diaper bag. The liquid, especially the poop soaked slop that I had in my first bag, will saturate the top of the bag when it’s upside down. Shortly after, Matic told me to replace the bag and it wasn’t even half full. Don’t know if flipping it upside down cause this premature alert or not. I’m not on my second bag. 7. The water tank, according to Matic, should last up to 1,300 square feet. This is perfect as the hardwoods on my main floor total that amount. Unfortunately, I have yet to have a single cleaning job where I could test whether or not the water tank would be enough given the job interruptions with various issues and brush jams with cat toys. 8. I’ve had issues with app connectivity and the Matic which they apparently continue to work on. As I write this, the app cannot connect to the Matic. Oh wait, it finally just did after trying again. Definitely not a consistent experience. 9. Height: Height of the Matic hardware is definitely a disadvantage. I thought I would be able to get over this but with the slew of other issues I’ve encountered in such a short time, I’ve become less apt to over look this design limitation. With five cats, completing a full clean every day to collect the fur around and beneath all furniture with no intervention is a must for me and something Narwal has been able to accomplish. Matic, not so much. 10. Beta testing: My greatest frustration is with being sold an item and not being told of its many limitations that cause it to lag behind the majority of other robot vacuums on the market today. I suppose this is why reviews of Matic online are virtually nonexistent. Reviewing their website, you are made to believe that Matic will do the same job, if not better, than the competition. That was my expectation at least and why I purchased two. I am grateful for how easy it is to converse with the Matic team and their willingness to help and share their future road map but come on, poop detection won’t come to us until the second half of 2025? Yeah, no. I’ll beta test free hardware but otherwise I need a reliable machine that just gets the job done. I love tech and have high hopes in Matic but they really did do their initial customers a disservice with the undercooked version of firmware they shipped Matic with. Soooo much opportunity. Sadly, I’m not sure how much progress I’ll see within my limited 30-day return period. 11. On a positive note, the visual map of my house in the app is fantastic. I have no issues with it so far. 12. Editing room walls, merging rooms, etc. do not exist and are to be released in future updates. My Dining Room was two rooms with no way to resolve this. Fortunately, I was able to trick Matic into adding a new room at the existing Dining Room and it merged the two rooms into the single room it should have originally been mapped as. My Laundry Room is still a part of the Hallway as one large room. My Great Room is split in two, with one half being a part of an adjacent hallway. The Powder Room is not separate and a part of the Foyer. In the meantime, it is what it is. Frustrating. 13. I’ve talked with Matic about current cleaning job enhancements which they are onboard with and currently working on several. It’s possible to edit current cleaning jobs and skip the next room or add a room, however, you cannot have Matic only vacuum one room and then vacuum AND mop another. It’s one option for all rooms. 14. Brush Roller: Fur collects at the ends of the cleaning brush and requires occasional cleaning. That’s it for now. I’m happy to answer any additional questions.

Compared to my current experience with Matic, I would absolutely recommend the Narwal Freo Z Ultra. Today’s adventures with Matic include the following: 1. The first image in the link shows Matic’s performance cleaning the Dining Room. Green represents where Matic completed a vacuum job. Purple is where it mopped once the vacuum job was complete. Poor edge cleaning and inconsistent ability to mop in the same locations beneath the dining table where it previously vacuumed are seen. All of the brown “sticks” in the image are chair and table legs. Running Matic version Stable\_V0084B, App Version 1.0 (Build 56). 2. The second image in the link shows where Matic moved the table from the far left against the wall to the location seen in the image in the middle of the foyer. In doing so, it nocked the lamp off and onto the floor AND ran over my 82 year old mother’s foot as she was investigating the loud noise when the lamp fell. 3. I finally concluded that I am not going crazy and the water tank does indeed leak when turned upside down in order to refill it with water. Literally, the plastic water container leaks from where two pieces of plastic are molded together it seems. 4. The diaper bag is already 3/4 full and it’s only been a couple of days. I’m waiting to see how many days I can run what I consider to be normal cleaning routines before it needs to be replaced. At the current rate, it’s not a sustainable solution for my cleaning needs and another reason why the Narwal (and all other robot vacuums with self emptying) are better. 5. Speaking of the diaper bag, I’m currently vaccuming and mopping the kitchen hardwoods floors. In doing so, the vacuum exhaust smells like poop. I’ve detected this before when Matic ran over cat poop and I suspect the poop contents in the diaper bag mixed with the waste water from mopping are causing this. Not good. Every cleaning job is seriously a new adventure. I can’t make this crap up! [https://imgur.com/a/CVa1JvQ](https://imgur.com/a/CVa1JvQ)

I’m full compliant with you. I own X40 from its launch and never a problem. Surely I can compare it with other bot. Tested Heat, L40, Narwal Freo X Ultra, Narwal Freo Z Ultra and Roborock slim. X40 it’s the more smart and has the most innovative features. It’s a robot that doesn’t give thoughts. It works and works always. A little more pressure in washing ant it will raise the perfection. But I’m sure that at the CES next week, we’ll have this upgrade 😉

Yeah I just picked one up and it's super nice. I have two shedding long hair dogs so it was a pain to keep up with. I could vacuum in the morning and it would already be hairy again by that night. Now the robo vac clears all the dog hair twice a day and mops all my hard floors every other day. It helps that they've come a long way in recent years with obstacle avoidance tech. My robot can actively detect cables and all kinds of other stuff and work around it. So it never really gets stuck despite random kids toys, dog toys, cables etc not always getting picked up.

I got a Narwal Freo Z Ultra. It's Narwal's flagship robo vac from last year. I got it for around $950. Pleased with it so far. I wanted something that required as little input from me as possible. Outside of refilling the clean water and emptying the dirty after a full mop, there's not much to do. I did a lot of research and it seemed like one of the best options for an anti tangle brush I wouldn't need to cut dog hair out of and really good obstacle avoidance.

Narwal has a few decent options. I have last year's flagship from them, the Freo Z Ultra and it does a good job vacuuming and mopping on our hard floors and vacuuming a few rugs, deals with tons of dog hair, and has great object avoidance. They also released their newest flagship recently with a roller mop, the Narwal Flow. It's still fairly new though so doesn't have as many reviews to look at.

Blades are shit. Effective are the rollers that direct the hair towards one side like some dreame or narwal or to the centre like roborock

IMO avoid ecovacs, they have tons of app and navigation issues. There a hundreds of posts on Reddit about it and they have really bad track record of it. On vacuumwars is the number one because they test it for half a day and then it goes to the closet and onto the next vacuum, hence that YouTuber is barely a starting point. E25 has no mop only option which for several people is crucial, the vacuum rollers get the dirt stick to them, they suck humidity and the hepa filter gets clogged easier, etc. Master has no antitangling rollers I would recommend Mova Z50 with mopping roller or V50 with a bit more effective antitangling vacuum roller but has spinning pads. On Roborock QRevo Curv or Edge are sweet spot of value on their lineup, spinning pads and excellent antitangling. For Dreame probably the L40s Pro ultra is a good not so expensive option. For Narwal Z Freo Ultra they have really good spinning pads applying good pressure on the floor and the vacuum roller is excellent anti tangling. The only con for me is the lack of onboard water tank which makes it go back often to the station.

I purchased Narwal Freo Z Ultra from Costco and super excited for it to arrive.

i have a freo z and it would easily handle this

To be fair, I think a shelter is gonna nuke pretty much any robovac. Narwal Z is supposedly good at distinguishing between wet and dry but I am not sure how good. Probably also depends on the floor type. Also be careful, if you ever mention shelter to support you can probably say goodbye to any warranty. They tend to have language about 'household use'

I only have roombas and a Narwal but the Narwal is also extremely quiet at low suction. Pretty irrelevant, but I would wonder how the two would compare.

I am very interested in the Matic from a tech POV but it seems to early to lock in into one. Both tech wise and company future-wise. They're not available in Canada yet, which makes that reasoning a lot easier. I think the Narwal is doing pretty well. Cat toys are always tricky. Some are so close to dust bunnies that it'll lead to false negatives not picking up dust bunnies.

I like my Narwal but it has gotten stuck on a pretty common Ikea chair. That really surprised me. Other than that I have been very impressed with its obstacle avoidance. Its edge cleaning also could be a lot better, I hardly ever see it do the twist. Also treshold detection. It tends to ride up to them and not clean the inch next to the treshold because of that. Toe kick cleaning is in my experience non-existent. Maybe mine are too low, I'll have to clean those 2 inches by hand.

For me obstacle avoidance tops everything, so I am very pleased with my Narwal Z (even though edge coverage and vacuuming are iffy at best). A stuck robot is a useless robot no matter how water efficient it is or how high a treshold it can cross.

Narwal is known for its obstacle avoidance though, and based on my experience that is very well deserved.

Yeah, a robot that gets stuck is as useful as no robot imo. It's why I went for the Freo Z. Its obstacle avoidance is one of the best. Or at least was when I bought it, and it definitely has been really good in that regard. I rather have a so-so robot that doesn't get stuck than a top notch cleaner that invariably gets stuck before finishing even half of the job. If Matic goes all-over the place but doesn't get stuck, I'm good. I am also keeping an eye out on them, cuz I do like their more pragmatic approach, rather than all the bells and whistles that put more and more points of failure on the bots.

"Poor to average" That is just not true. The independent reviewers do put it near the top, but not the absolute top. As for how much better the competitors are, like the Curv - it's a fair bit more expensive and is better in many areas (although some of those areas have also reviewed bad, like the treshhold hopping has issues), and Narwal does seem to lead the pack in obstacle avoidance, which to me is pretty much the most important feature. I rather have an average vacuum that does make it through its routine than a great vacuum that got stuck halfways and never finished it. Needs vary.

The Eufy is genuinely worth considering even if it has more maintenance. Its performance is just so good for mopping compared to the rest. Like FarConcern said, Freo Z is probably a great option here. IMO I'd avoid the Freo X, it does not seem like a great option at all. The curv is good for your needs, but you said the price difference is not worth it. Do you have a budget in mind at all?

Try Narwal robot, they do great with tangle-free tech. My Freo Z never has this problem.

Try Narwal robot, they do great with tangle-free tech. My Freo Z never has this problem.

Had the Freo z for a couple of months. It was fine but definitely doesn't deserve the hype it initially got.

I had a RoboRock Q Revo Pro that was really quite and a Narwal Z that’s also not very loud.

I’ve found the narwal tangle free brush solution to be excellent. The newer roborock ones with the split brush looks like it would perform well too

Yes with my daughters long hair and constantly shedding Rottweilers the narwal is the first that hasn’t died or become too much hassle within the first year

You have obviously experienced the wrong bot(s). They get really good, and overcome many of the hassles you've expressed, when you get to the high-end models. They get pricey, but a top-tier Narwal or Roborock will change your tune. Comparing them to a sub-$500 Shark or Roomba is a mistake. Like saying a Ferrari must suck because your Civic can barely do the speed limit. There's still limitations, and a vacuum will always make some noise, but there's a reason that people really like their expensive bots.

I have all hardwood and use two devices. The Roborock is an excellent vacuum and I like their ap the best. I have an older S7 but it still powers through my 3 dog house. And a narwhal which does a 80% good job at mopping. Together my house stays pretty clean ;)

I have the Freo. It has a vacuum but it's not that strong. I have very annoying high gloss wood floors that show every foot print. The Narwhal mop really seems to clean the floor instead of just running a went mop bad over it like the IRobot.

We just got the Narwhal Freo that vacuums and mops and can do either independently or at the same time. I only have 2 cats inside and we do not have carpet but we do live on a ranch and I am in and out frequently from the horses and dirt in general so our floors get dirty fast. I am in love with this little robot. I call her Mrs.Doubtfire. When I send her to vacuum I leave the rugs down and have not had a problem. If she's doing a mop run I pick up the rugs. The time saved alone from not sweeping daily is huge for me, totally worth it.

Sure about that? I have a Narwal. It vacuums and mops. You can choose the floor type both for mopping and vacuuming and pick if you want a damp or wet mop. It’s WELL worth the money in my opinion

I have the Narwal Freo vacuum/mop and I love it.

We are very happy with our Narwal Freo. It mops and vacuums. Got it during Prime Days

I had a Narwal Freo and was already happy with it. I've been testing the Eufy E25 for weeks now and I have to say, the suction power is really good. If you look at the dust container before vacuuming it into the station, you can see that it even pulls dust mites/feces out of the carpets. Special vacuum cleaners only do that. I've never had this happen with any robot. I'm really impressed. Wiping is also very neat. Unfortunately the navigation doesn't really make me happy, then it would really be perfect.

Absolutely We bought one because our aussie is shedding like crazy and I really did not feel like vacxum cleaning like twice a day Bought the NARWAL Freo for 300 Euro and we are happy now

Narwal freo literally has no go zones, as well as they have strips I believe in their store that prevent it from doing that if you want to do it physically.

Agree. Dreamebot with Tricut brush & Narwal Freo series. Both great.

Narwal Freo. Never gets tangled bc of the brush design. Two Samoyeds. It detects carpet and I set it to automatically vacuum more powerfully. It mops too. Best $900 I’ve ever spent.

Narwal Freo, owned for just over 2 years. Daily vacuuming of entire house, 2x weekly vaccum+mop entire house. The only issue I’ve encountered has been technical/map based and not mechanical. Remapping the house resolved the issue.

I have the Narwal Freo and love it. I got mine refurbished from a reputable seller on EBay. $1000 model for just under $400!

I am using one, on a frequent basis. These are good if you want to vacuum or want to collect floor dust. The issue is it will not move your furniture items and works well in open areas. Do not depend on it for mopping and it is only for nameshake, although cleaning is quite good. I am using Narwal brand Freo, but Ecovacs and Dream are also quite good with a good service network. Don't go for any other brand.

While I do not yet own a Yeedi S14 Plus I do own a Yeedi Cube. It's been with me for a over a year now. The brand itself is essentially a sub-brand of Eco-Vac (think Lexus vs Toyota) with Yeedi being the latter. The performance has been great relative to its pricing, the parts still work well and the mop is using a single pad vibration mechanism. This is not as good as my Deebot T30's dual spinning mop pad system but it's enough to remove most winter time salt stains from my tile flooring as well as most other light to medium intensity dirt marks in a single run. IMO one of the things that makes Yeedi good is that it's durable, it's motor and mopping tech is not as competitive as Narwal or Ecovac (on purpose) but out of all the robo vacs I have owned and used it's the only one I have yet to replace a single part for (dust bin just once). People often buy robo vacs based on feats but the really good ones are the ones that last past the 12 months mark once the wear and tear really kicks in. To play the devils advocate however I will say Yeedi's app is very mediocre compared to most other brands though. In 2025 you still cannot select the number of runs per operations for example. No amount of new hardware will fix a bad app sadly. Btw this isn't some paid/affiliated propaganda lol. I have owned a Narwal Freo, Ecovac Deebot T20 and T30, Euxy X8 and the Yeedi Cube (I am a YouTube reviewer so I work with these brands) and I have owned each one for a prolonged period of time and can give you a practical take on it. My fav robo vac to date when taking budget, tech and durability in mind is my now 3 year old Eufy X8 which is old tech but it wins in longevity hands down. Hope this helps! I may review the S14 Plus next month but that's TBD. I will share my unbiased opionion on this thread if it's still open.

narwal freo in 50 sqm. i wouldnt go without selfcleaning pads, no matter how small the apartment.

I got one from Narval last month for around 20k, happy with the experience as of now

I think a standout feature of the Narwal that differs in real-world performance vs benchmark testing used by vacuum testing channels is that there is no restricted test parameters. So for example the narwal can sense if the area isnt clean yet and go back and clean it. So one pass over a dried stain might not be as good as another robot but if it goes back to finish and leaves a cleaner surface than a single pass during a typical mop session from a different vac, the end result is the narwal will leave the area cleaner. Now I'd perfect the smarts of the narwal paired with the best mopping capability naturally and I think the Narwal Flow will fill that niche but something I realized while doing far too much research on this is that benchmark testing doesnt tell the full story at all. It's like buying a dodge neon with a huge engine vs a porche with a slightly smaller but still big engine. Just a random musing while trying to decompress from too much research into buying a new vac lol

I noticed it can clean for up to 270 minutes on a single charge. That's longer than my old Narwal, but I'm more excited to see how well its mopping function actually works.

It's because I laugh how ecovacs is considered good with pets, but I've seen reviews of actual and real performance, not some lab tests, and they always struggle with hair getting stuck in their brushes. Ecovacs is just not as good as Narwal or the newer Roborock's model in that aspect. And if the test "fails" in that category, how can I believe other aspects of the review? Is it ust a coincidence that Ecovacs triumphes in every category with many of their robots?

Narwals are great and their antitag brush is amazing for dog hair.

2 young kids and a dog and haven't used my simtick vacuum on the main floor since January. I have a Narwal, not a Roomba, but it 100% has replaced the stick vacuum.

I really like the Narwal. Sadly... it's not HA compatible yet. Hoping someone fixes that one day.

Oh man, deciding on a robot vacuum is like trying to pick the best pizza topping combo—there’s no right answer! Personally, navigating around dog toys and somehow managing my long-haired cat’s shedding is my top struggle. I’ve been through the madness of getting vacuums jammed with hair more often than a concert mosh pit! I tried the Roomba first before giving the Roborock a shot—it’s like night and day for avoiding hair clumps. For mopping, Narwal’s practically the Baymax of vacuums, so no surprise it’s at the top of your list. Yeedi has some solid feedback on its roller mop tech, though I’m still a bit skeptical until I see fewer water skid marks. Also, services like ConsumerRating often have more insights on models like these if you want the nitty-gritty details. Good luck in the spring sale showdown!

I have 3 cats and two Narwhal robovacs, and they are a godsend for pet fur and tracked litter. Sometimes an upright is still needed for some tasks, but for day to day maintenance, they keep the floors looking great. I have them vac and mop.

I had a freo z ultra for a couple weeks and took it back for a saros 10r. Mopping on the Narwal was pretty good, vacuuming just ok. The iOS app has a pretty bad battery drain bug right now too. Also I didn’t like how much data the Narwal sent to servers. In the 2 weeks I had it, my firewall logs showed the Narwal sent over 20 GB of data. I had the remote video disabled so assume it was for vision AI analysis. Still, it shouldn’t need to send that much data. We’ll see if the Flow processes more locally. The Saros 10r by comparison has sent maybe 100 MB in a week. I’m guessing Roborock is doing more AI analysis on the robot.

What I am focusing most is looking at the reviews for snippets showing how robots clean edges and corners. When the robot boasts its extending mop pad/roller, and I see that because its navigation its cleaning the edges so bad it might as well have not extending mop, I take it as a signal of "we dont care if the feature is implemented properly, we care that we can boast it in marketing materials", and completely drop the brand from my considerations. So far Ecovacs and Yeedi (which have the same owner?) are especially showing bad signs of this, and I say that as someone who blindly bought their top of the line robot in about 2020, and been kinda happy with it since. When brand releases top-of-the-line robot at top-of-the-line price point with something as basic as vibrating mop pad, I cant shake of the "Lets see how many suckers will buy this if paid youtube shillers astroturf it to the moon", so there goes the Saros line, and a Roborock name gets a huge minus. Then theres Dreame, which looks solid at first glance, and after watching hundreds of videos I had to drop it too. They seem to want to be percieved as pioneers, offering retractable lidar, huge threshold crossings, and those features actually work, but the core navigation again shows that my floor would be cleaned very inconsistently, namely around edges. Then theres Narwal, a huge potential that seem to miss the mark every release. I want their Flow to finally fix their issues, but have little hope. And then theres Eufy, which to me remains the only brand limited by their technology and not programming. Missing extending mop means no edge mopping at all, but man when I look at any video how it hugs walls/chair legs, or how it navigates around corners, I am impressed. Apart from carpet cleaning performance and weak corner reach brush, they seem to done everything right, so I am waiting for what they drop next (aka S2). If they include edge extending mop+brush, I think its a clear winner for me. I dont care about carpets, the mopping is undisputed, the programming (navigation) has no match neither. Oh, and then theres Mova, which I am eagerly awaiting their Z50 Pro Ultra (which should have extending mop too), but theres so little info about that brand that I forget about them most of the time.

I don't have other comparisons, but myself (long hair) and my cat have had a Narwal for over a year and I've never once had the roller clog with hair. It's got a tapered roller and apparently this is successful in keeping hair from getting tangled.

I don't run my Narwal as often as some run their robots, but as long as I do maintenance on it, it runs fine. For me personally, breakdowns in tech like this have always been a combination of cheap tech and poor maintenance. Both of which I have complete control over....

Have narwal and am super impressed with it. Not sure about service in mlore

I am very well informed. My home has multiple robots and multiple brands, including Narwal. Narwal is the one brand I choose to trust to get my whole home barefoot clean QUIETLY so as not to disturb my family. We do not all have the same home. The "out of the box" solution is not what's best for my pet filled home. I am particular. My home has unique needs when it comes to certain things. Narwal's app allows me to customize my preferences and maintain my home in a way that satisfies me. I've trashed multiple brands for a multitude of reasons. Narwal is the 1 brand I choose to gift to family and friends.

I hope you have a great experience with Eufy, I bought S1Pro. It was cleaning beautifully, a big upgrade from my Narwal, then 8 months in I had a fan error. From that point on and about 12 emails, customer service said the same thing in each email, I had already done the troubleshooting before. Couldn’t talk to CS, finally called Amazon and they helped me get a refund…but Eufy has 30 days to issue and then Amazon takes about 2 weeks. Needless to say, I am extremely careful about my next purchase.

My GSD hates my Narwal. He especially hates when he sees the underside. I think he may think it’s a big monster. The spinning mop pads are the eyes and the flat roller brush is its mouth. Your cat, were it to get in a beef with a neighboring cat, would certainly have some impressive / intimidating muscle he could bring along.

Narwal is normally #1 in the industry with Object Avoidance. Along with the roller mop of the Narwal Flow, probably your best bet.

Personally I'd get the Narwal or Eufy. Both are very good all around, but are two of the best mopping robots as well. The Q Revo Curv would be my pick if that price wasn't so astronomically inflated. It's only $1300 right now here in the US.

I just replaced my J7 and Narwal last week (2 of them). I had the M6 prior and it's simply awful. I got the Eufy e28. It's terrific. I know that you had issues years ago, but they came a long way. I've cleaned my entire house 4 or 5 times, and it barely used any water. I think that it should last weeks before refilling.

Narwal. Not the top of the line, but the next one down. It’s been really great. It adapts to changes without any issue. We really like it. I don’t know about home assist compatibility.

My dogs freaked out at first with my Narwal, but we gave them high value treats every time we started a cycle and pretty soon they ignored it. The Narwal sensors have "pet detection" so it will stop when it sees my dog in its path. Since you have cats you could take them into a room with the robot and have Churu on hand. Just let them come up and sniff it, Churu, more sniffing, Churu etc.

I bought one of the new ones and returned it for a Narwal. Much happier but Narwal needs to fire their UI people and redesign their app from the ground up.

I wouldn’t accept this even if it was free. Returned mine and got a Narwal.

Narwal is quiet and excellent with mopping

Narwal is very good with mopping and app floorplan looks better and clean while other apps walls looks rough and raffled.

Narwal is very good with pet hair and very low maintance.

I have a Narwal and am pretty happy with it. That said you have no way of knowing what works for your situation without trying. That’s what the return policy is for. Just keep trying and see what works for you. As for wires - really no solution to that. Some can detect some wires some of the time. The best solution is to simply clean up the wires or prevent the vacuum from going where there are lots of wires.

I fell for that 😂. I started to watch actual reviews on YouTube and the narwals kept performing poorly and I was so confused.

I have a narwal and it's fucking awesome. With the plumbing kit it just sits in the laundry, drives itself out, cleans the house, then returns to the base station to clean its own mop pads, empty the vacuum bin and recharge. Then it does it all again the next day. I do about ten minutes of maintenance a month, that the app tells me to do, like emptying the bin or replacing the pads. It also occasionally tangles itself in stuff like string on the ground, it has a really nice vacuum system to avoid hair getting tangled though. There's also nice configurable extras like cleaning the mop pads after doing the toilet so you don't spread contamination.

My Narwal broke within a month and the warranty process was god awful. While I had it, it would ram full force into things in a way that was almost comical. Couldn't have been happier to move on to a different company, Went to Roborock in my case but the other products mentioned by others also seem interesting.

We also have Narwal and LOVE it.