Narwal is not hated here because they spend least on reviews. I don't hate Narwal. I am completely frustrated by their absolutely horrible initial mapping algorithm in my open layout home.
I had the Z10 Ultra. I have a large open layout of my entryway ,study, kitchen , dining room and living room. It would not allow me to split the areas properly. Something that both my Roborock's and the Dreame can do easily and effortlessly. I attempted remapping at least 4 times. I tried at least another15 times to have it 'discover' a new space to redefine the walls. Nothing worked. I went out on reddit looking for solutions and found other posters with the same issue since the Freo X and they have reported it to Narwal. So the issue has been known for easily over a year. No resolution.
For an open concept home, it is by far the worst mapping program I've used by a mile. If you have traditional walls I know it works because it properly mapped that other part of my home. It's disgraceful and disappointing that Narwals exceptional hardware and build quality is hamstrung by that piece of garbage mapping software.
So I dont hate Narwal. I'm completely frustrated by it. Unit returned and never going to use another of their robots until I read from multiple sources that their open layout algorithm has been completely rewritten and they allow merging or dplitting an area as easily as Roborockor Dreame.
Its a mostly fine robot but not a fan of their mapping software. Much better mapping and software options. Don't care how sophisticated a robot is if their software sucks.
The basic and simple and frustrating issues with the Narwal software have been there now for well over a year. Problems that other redditors have posted over that time clearly show that timeline. Issues like mapping open concept spaces and having easy to use and manipulate split and merge lines have been solved years ago by other companies like Roborock and by Dreame.
There is no excuse that Narwal - who has most definately been made aware of these issues long ago - has either chosen to ignore fixing 'merge/split' options (and more) or the current team is incapable of doing so. Agree. One day it may be fixed. One dayBut why should I wait when other companies have solved this issue a long time ago?
Based on their current history of software development, I'm not holding my breath. If you're satisfied with their substandard software (and excellent robot build) that's fine.
As a homeowner with a large open concept layout their mapping software is crap and pretty much renders using their robot useless unless I want to compromise how I use a Narwal. Something that is not an issue with Roborock or Dreame or Mova (and probably others also).
So if a home has basically traditiona wall spaces.Sure. Narwal is great. If the layout is open concept. Then....Narwal no.
Turbo is better than ultra in everything except the smaller objects. Toys I think the turbo would have no trouble unless it’s Lego size. Personally for me the camera does not matter because I throw all my kids toys on the sofa before I start the cleaning. If your not cleaning up the toys that spot won’t be cleaned so what’s the point in cleaning tbh
It does. I mean you need to empty the bin every so often and the dirty water/refill the clean water but that’s about it.
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Ya the freo z10 ultra should have 2 detergent slots. One for the cleaning solution. And the other one can hold a hardwood floor solution; this can be used as a routine maintenance to help protect and shine up hard floors periodically. It can also hold a heavy duty detergent bottle for tougher grime removal/cleaning.
I actually have both the turbo and the ultra, the difference is that the turbo is more powerful and has more carpet centric features as in the roller brush actually dips down a little bit so I could scrub into carpets a little bit better, the other difference is that the ultra has cameras whereas the turbo doesn’t I found out the navigation on my upstairs is still really good and about comparable to the ultra, it’s a little slower, but I think that’ll change once I put a few more runs on it, as Narwal is really good with picking up it speed the more it runs throughout your house. But for $600, it’s a solid robot and through its first claim it leaves my floors sparkling.
I actually really like the narwal freo z10 line I have the z10 ultra next to the v50 currently and I find the z10 cleans better and hasn’t gotten stuck on my bathroom mat
If you get it from Costco, I would actually recommend the narwal z10 ultra, I picked one up from marketplace for 350 and honestly it’s blown almost any other robot that I own with the rotary mop out of the water. Also, since you have a bigger space, it should handle that easily with its battery life I have a clean about 1000 ft.² daily upstairs and it does it with about 25 to 30% battery life, it does use up its water tank fairly quickly, but the polish on the floor that it leaves is perfect
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The v50 is solid, but if you have a bigger space I can’t recommend the Narwal z10 ultra enough. I have both the turbo and the ultra.
Turbo has no camera/ultra has camera
Turbo is better for carpets.
For that big of a space, I would recommend two, I have two, I run a narwhal flow 2 downstairs as that’s where the main place my dogs like staying, also it does amazing with foot traffic and my kids that are always running around and throwing stuff on the ground. Upstairs I run a narwhal Z 10 ultra and I absolutely love it because of its obstacle avoidance and navigation, it also leaves my upstairs floors, looking sparkly I can’t speak too much to carpet, but if it’s low pile, you might be able to get away with getting a narwhal flow 2
So I currently have about 9 to 12 bots, and I’ve given a couple of them to a few friends to have at their place and they let me know how they’re running and stuff like that too. Out of all the bots I’ve owned the flow two is the absolute best spot I’ve ever owned, it’s the only bought I’ve owned that hasn’t gone stuck once downstairs, it’s the quickest, and my floors look amazing after it’s done. The Z 10 ultra also does a really good job. It’s replacing my Mova V 50.
This, I have the mova z60, v50 and a Dreame x60 they have the worst battery life of all the bots I own. The narwal z10 ultra does my entire upstairs with about 25% of its battery life whereas the V 50 takes about 70%
For puppy pads, my bulldog every morning likes to get her peace and quiet from everyone waking up so she runs upstairs, but since she’s so old, when she tries to go upstairs on the first step, she pees all over the place and we always have to put a pee pad down there, I do occasionally go down and pick up that pad and throw it away before I run the bot, but for the times that I don’t, it’s never gone stuck on one of those, in fact, the Z 60, and the Roborock saros 10r did frequently
Dammit now I really wanna move the Z 10 ultra downstairs and run it a few times to see how it goes, like I said I have it running upstairs and there really isn’t that much obstacles for it to avoid other than when it goes underneath the gigantic king mattress and then when it goes into my room, which right now is a pigsty, so far everything upstairs handled well, but I’m really curious what would happen if I move it downstairs now
Narwal flow 2 is my current main robot, the best one I’ve ever owned. But it’s expensive currently, I got mine on release for 1100.
The z10 ultra I picked up for 350 on market place and it’s actually doing phenomenal especially compared to my roborock saros 10r and mova v50.
12 robovacs here
Roborock s8pro, s8maxv, curv, saros 10
Ecovacs x11
Dreame x60 max complete
Mova v50 and z60
Narwal z10 ultra, z10 and flow 2
The Roborock have been phenomenal, my longest running robot is the saros 10r and curv I’ve had them both for about a year, and they were both daily drivers., I gifted both of the s8’s and they are still running currently for that family. They absolutely love it, currently for me my daily driver main robot is the. Narwal flow 2, I have five dogs, and multiple kids with a ton of people running around my house, I run that thing every day sometimes twice a day and it’s the only but I’ve owned that never has gotten stuck on anything, also just handles everything that I throw at it.
My 10r and curv would frequently need to be save from a couple rugs that they kept getting stuck on and under bed cables for the bed motors to work. Forgot to add the z70 on there too, I gifted it and it frequently has its mop ripped off by getting stuck on a baby’s high chair, also gets trapped on the rods for the baby’s bouncer as it tries to treat it as a threshold to climb. They are still really good and highly recommendable for people depending on their clutter situation it’s just the flow 2 has never gotten stuck on me and I’ve never had to save it other than when someone shuts the door on it.
I also want to say the z10 ultra has better obstacle avoidance than the roborocks.
It’s funny too because the narwal tries to “trace around my dogs laying on the ground like a chalk mark for a body in crime evidence.
It’s outdated. I picked a maxv for 200$ on OfferUp and although good I wouldn’t pay anything over 200 for it.
Now I picked up a narwal z10 ultra for 300 on market place and i love it more than my mova v50 and possibly more so than the saros 10r and x60
I have nine robot vacuums. I just picked up a narwal flow z10 ultra over the weekend for $300, and I’m very impressed with it. Currently they have a new model of the Z 10 out called the turbo it’s supposed to be priced $900, but since it’s a new release, they have a $300 discount on it with accessory pack to come with it. I highly recommend checking it out. I just ordered one this morning.
I have five dogs all of them different breeds they shed a lot and so far I’m impressed with narwhals performance.
I have 2 of them in my house, the narwal flow 2 and the z10 ultra, the z10 turbo I gifted to a friend was mine and the difference between the turbo and the ultra is the turbo has no camera, no voice control, but it’s supposed to have stronger suction.
I was actually surprised how well it performed. It’s also not that loud.
Narwal in my opinion has the best mopping of all the bits I’ve owned especially for dirt and litter tracking.
I also prefer them more than my mova v50
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It’s literally the hardest thing which is why I have 12 of these things, I started giving my older ones away as gifts for friends and people who actually need them, but since I have a 2000 square-foot downstairs with no carpet, I ended up getting the narwal flow 2 and it’s honestly been the best robot I’ve ever owned. I used to use the mova v50 upstairs but have recently went with the narwal z10 ultra as I picked it up on marketplace for $300, and I find it does a better job than the Mova, also it’s kind of nice to have everything on one app.
I had a Roborock curv, it’s about a year and a few months old now, ended up giving it to a friend as a housewarming gift and they absolutely love it but they have a very simple layout that’s about 500 ft.² half carpet half wood tile.
The other one I would look at is the narwal z10 turbo, I picked it up after falling in love with the Z 10 ultra, it’s supposed to be a more powerful version of the ultra, but with no cameras and white, it’s actually really similar to the curv but it cleans better.
I highly recommend checking out the narwal z10 turbo, it’s just released for 600$ and it’s supposed to be better than the z10 ultra which I’m currently running.
I’d add the narwal z10 turbo on there. Just picked up the z10 ultra today on market place for 300$ and I’m very impressed with its performance. (Z10 turbo is on release sale rn for 600)
The only part I’m not too familiar with is height changes, as I live in the US we really don’t have thresholds, I imagine it has some sort of threshold climbing, but so far I’m very impressed with its performance and the fact that hasn’t gone, stuck on anything. And I currently have nine different robots.
I actually recommend checking out the narwal z10 ultra. Just released for 600$, I run 2 nursing homes and I swear by narwal especially with its cleaning and obstacle avoidance.
Think of review channels as baselines, they don’t run normal house or stick with the bot for long like the general consumer, the like just a dad as it seems like the most genuine but still doesn’t tell the full story or have the same floor plan as you. I have a v50 and it’s great but found the narwal z10 ultra to do better and use less battery life as well.
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This is the map layout I have where the flow 2 is at, this is the downstairs area, I have the bot this is the downstairs area, I have the bot run this every single day run this every single day sometimes twice a day and it does an absolutely phenomenal job.
There’s no carpet, there’s two rugs over by either entrances, but they’re those large black Costco door rugs. I have a mixture of tile in the kitchen tile in the big main bathroom that also has a walk-in shower that they bought actually goes into and cleans as well, the rest is mainly wood flooring.
Although I can’t speak to its carpet performance, it’s been the only bot that I’ve owned that cleans everything without fail hasn’t gone stuck twice unless someone closes the door on it. Other than that phenomenal.
I live over in Washington, and the weather is all over the place over here. The main thing is it rains a lot and it tends to get messy wherever you go, having one of these, especially with a VAC mop combo is a must., One of my dogs is incontinent, and he just pees without even knowing it, so I had to get rid of having a rotary mop, pad, robot downstairs and upgrading to a roller mop, my first roller mop was the Mova Z 60 and although it did a really really good job at cleaning, it had a ton of issues, especially if you don’t keep up with its maintenance which it had a lot of maintenance you had to do to keep it running, pristine, I had enough and was really looking forward to the flow 2 so as soon as it dropped, I went on Amazon purchased it, and it arrived the next day. I’ve literally run this thing without fail every single day since I’ve received it, the maintenance on it is a breeze as well I’m mainly just have to take the mop tray out usually when it’s running and rinse it under the sink to clean it off and that’s about it.
I was highly considering getting the roborock curv 2 flow but the thing that stopped me was that it doesn’t have an auto detergent tank, ever since I got the saros 10r that has the detergent tank. I cannot get a robot that doesn’t have one, that was also my main determining factor whether or not I was going to get the flow 2 because the flow one did not come with an auto detergent tank. also, I find that rollers that have that auto roller cover thing, just require a lot more maintenance as in removing the roller, getting into those little crevices where the roller attaches to, removing the cover and cleaning that, and I’m not sure if the Roborock has a roller Fluffer, but cleaning that as well. Also, that’s the only thing I was reading apparently because it only has eight nozzles for spraying on the roller. It makes uneven streaks when it actually goes and mops, especially overtime. It’s a very mixed, though
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The v50 is solid, but if you have a bigger space I can’t recommend the Narwal z10 ultra enough. I have both the turbo and the ultra.
Turbo has no camera/ultra has camera
Turbo is better for carpets.
I have 2 of them in my house, the narwal flow 2 and the z10 ultra, the z10 turbo I gifted to a friend was mine and the difference between the turbo and the ultra is the turbo has no camera, no voice control, but it’s supposed to have stronger suction.
I was actually surprised how well it performed. It’s also not that loud.
Narwal in my opinion has the best mopping of all the bits I’ve owned especially for dirt and litter tracking.
I also prefer them more than my mova v50
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It’s literally the hardest thing which is why I have 12 of these things, I started giving my older ones away as gifts for friends and people who actually need them, but since I have a 2000 square-foot downstairs with no carpet, I ended up getting the narwal flow 2 and it’s honestly been the best robot I’ve ever owned. I used to use the mova v50 upstairs but have recently went with the narwal z10 ultra as I picked it up on marketplace for $300, and I find it does a better job than the Mova, also it’s kind of nice to have everything on one app.
I had a Roborock curv, it’s about a year and a few months old now, ended up giving it to a friend as a housewarming gift and they absolutely love it but they have a very simple layout that’s about 500 ft.² half carpet half wood tile.
The other one I would look at is the narwal z10 turbo, I picked it up after falling in love with the Z 10 ultra, it’s supposed to be a more powerful version of the ultra, but with no cameras and white, it’s actually really similar to the curv but it cleans better.
I’d add the narwal z10 turbo on there. Just picked up the z10 ultra today on market place for 300$ and I’m very impressed with its performance. (Z10 turbo is on release sale rn for 600)
The only part I’m not too familiar with is height changes, as I live in the US we really don’t have thresholds, I imagine it has some sort of threshold climbing, but so far I’m very impressed with its performance and the fact that hasn’t gone, stuck on anything. And I currently have nine different robots.
I have both the ultra and turbo, been running the ultra for the last week and just made a map of my upstairs area with the turbo today, about to start a run with it.
Honestly didnt even notice the turbo didn’t have cameras
First full run today, it is slower than the ultra but it hasn’t gotten stuck on anything, I LOVE the polished look it gives my floors when it mops, it’s weird but I don’t get that loook from neither my mova v50, roborock saros 10r or dreame x60.
The slower time to the ultra could be due to it being the first full run though and I suspect it would get better with each run.
The best for obstacle avoidance will be the MOVA P50 pro ultra and the Narwal Freo Z10 ultra as these models are the only ones with an RGB camera which help it avoid obstacles like cables and cat toys. It will also help it recognize any scattered litter and it’ll slow down and be more meticulous when it notices it. The Narwal model is more water hungry so I’d recommend this as a mopping focused robot and given how big your home is I’d connect it to the water line if possible. The MOVA p50 pro ultra is the more water effective choice. I did hear issues about the p50 pro ultra’s front wheels breaking but I do not hear it as much anymore. I’d still recommend making your robots run multiple times a day so any flaws can be caught and you can return the robot within the return period that Amazon has.
MOVA sent me their v50 ultra and their z60 ultra roller to review as part of their Reddit collaboration program.
Please check if your local tech store is an authorized dealer for dreame and MOVA. If so, you’ll have access to warranty. If this store is known for having easy return policies, I think it’ll be fine to buy from there.
You can check MOVA’s authorized retailers here: https://it.mova.tech/pages/where-to-buy
You can check Dreame’s authorized retailers here: https://it.dreametech.com/pages/where-to-buy
The main difference between the TriCut brush and the antitangle roller brushes on l40s pro ultra and the roborock DuoDivide brushes is that the l40s pro ultra and the roborock Curv S5X will be quieter when vacuuming. All will do fine for hardfloor pickup but the l40s pro ultra’s duo antitangling brushes do better at picking up fur and hair embedded in carpet.
For multi floor cleaning, you can also carry the base station up. They are pretty heavy at 10-13kg though.
Most robot vacuum and mop combos don’t put down too much water and you can easily customize the water put down so a drying feature isn’t needed.
I’d check out the Narwal Freo Z ultra or the Freo z10 ultra for a mopping focused robot as it’s more gentle on hardwood floors (exerting 8N) if you’re okay with refilling the water tanks more often or connecting it to your water tank as it should have a dedicated wood care detergent cartridge you can slot in. It isn’t as great for rug vacuuming though but there are other more water efficient options from roborock and MOVA that do better in this aspect.
MOVA's Z50 Ultra is even better than the Eufy S1 Pro at mopping and performs decently with hair as it has a 300mL dustbin and the Dreame Tricut brush, which has worked well in my home with long hair and a long-haired corgi. I'd get this from Harvey Norman (with a protection plan for easy returns/replacement). JB HIFI seems to be harder with returns as users report JB HIFI needing to confirm with the manufacturer. Unfortunately, the good EOFY sale price of about 2000 AUD is now gone and it now sells at 3000 (ouch..), and no official plumbing kit is sold in Australia (get it from aliexpress or Taobao). If there's no threshold taller than 2.2 cm in your home, I'd check out the L40s Pro Ultra, which is essentially the Dreame X50 Ultra without the enhanced threshold crossing and retractable LIDAR. However, the battery life on the X50 Ultra and the L40s Pro Ultra isn't that good compared to the older Dreame models and the MOVA Z50 Ultra...
As for food, I'm afraid no robot can sufficiently take care of this without making a mess you have to clean up. But good ones should identify food that isn't crumbs and avoid it, and tell you so in the app. The Narwal Freo Z Ultra will have the best smart cleaning mode and arguably the best robot mopper with spinning mops, but is rather water inefficient for larger homes, so connecting it to your plumbing is basically a must.
Sadly, I couldn't find the MOVA z50 Ultra on Amazon, and it seems the only other sales date will be during Black Friday in November :( If you're really insistent on the MOVA Z50 Ultra, I'll ask MOVA about any possible discounts.
For the other robots:
The Narwal Freo Z Ultra will feature the best smart cleaning mode, allowing for hands-off cleaning without requiring in-depth settings adjustments, thanks to its significantly improved computer vision compared to the Roborock S10R. However, roborock's Saros 10R app is easier to use and there are less disposables than the Narwal Freo Z Ultra's dustbin has a disposable plastic thing, which narwal says means its easier reducing the need to clean, but I think this just makes more waste and is unnecessary if you can give the dusbin a good clean. Go for the Roborock saros 10R for a good app and roborock reliability. Go for the Narwal Freo Z Ultra if you really want AI cleaning that's more than just a shoehorned buzzword.
A lot of progress has been made from 2017-now. Some are generally a lot smarter (the Narwal Freo Z ultra is the best at this with great mopping and arguably the best smart cleaning mode but vacuuming isn’t that great but probably better than an iLife or a shark). Some are smarter and quieter (dreame X50 ultra) and can also reach into corners well. The smart ones are good at avoiding cords, pet poop, and knowing which areas should be cleaned more intensely. Combo Robots with an antitangle brush are now rather mainstream and much cheaper. The new progress being made is improving the mopping on combo robots, making it even quieter, and improving the robot’s ability to clean itself and the base station.
If you want the best smart mopping mode and better obstacle avoidance, the Narwal Freo Z ultra wins by far. Roborock’s app is easier to use.
Both robots are rather easy to clean with both having completely removable washboards.
What's your budget in your local currency?
In the eurozone (not sure for Eastern Europe), the Narwal Freo Z Ultra is at 599 euros (may be cheaper or more expensive). Other than having to constantly refill and empty the water tanks (which is why I recommend connecting this model to the water line), it's rather autonomous, with many pet owners loving the anti-tangle brush and pretty easy to clean.
For autonomy, I prioritize: no fur tangling (if hair and fur are a concern), easy to clean and is good at cleaning itself (including the mop washboard), and doesn't get stuck on things because of good obstacle avoidance
I just lost the draft of the comment I was writing on here TvT
The brands best at obstacle avoidance are dreame eufy and Narwal. Recommendations come from cheapest to highest
Narwal Freo Z ultra at €549
Best for smoothest obstacle avoidance, great at preventing hair and fur tangles, best smart cleaning mode, easy to clean, and great mopping
Not so Great at: vacuuming (compared to other robots), water tanks need to be refilled frequently so it is better suited for smaller homes
Why so cheap? It already has a successor and the new flagship the Narwal Flow is going to be released.
No eufy models that are close to obstacle avoidance at this price range so no eufy recommendation.
Dreame L40 Ultra AE €671
Good at: obstacle avoidance (firmware updates help) but not as smooth since it only has one eye instead of two like Narwal do it needs to go backwards to gauge the distance to something, more rounded vacuuming (better than the Narwal) and mopping performance.
Not so good at: not many like the smart cleaning mode, not as easy to clean as you’d need to get down to maintain it.
Slightly pared down L40 Ultra
Vomit can be difficult for robots to properly avoid. I recommend dual brushes for fur as they'll generally lift fur out of carpets better. I'd also look at robots with anti-tangle brushes. The cheapest available option will be dreame and Xiaomi robots that can use the anti-tangle tricut brush. I wouldn't recommend Xiaomi for your case, as it only has structured light, so it cannot detect the obstacles you need it to avoid. I'm using the IT and ES websites for reference.
Robots with good obstacle avoidance should be the camera-enabled models from these brands: Dreame/MOVA, Eufy, and Narwal.
Narwal's Freo Z Ultra is the cheapest at 699 EUR. It also has the best obstacle avoidance and arguably the best smart cleaning mode. It is rather water-hungry when mopping and isn't the best vacuum, but it should be able to get rid of fur, so your mother may only worry about deeper cleans. This one's mop washboard is the easiest to clean as the entire base is completely removable.
There's also the MOVA P50 Pro Ultra at 799 EUR, which is a better vacuum and is less water hungry. I did see those in North America report a broken front wheel, but I haven't seen anyone from Europe report this, so I think it'll be okay. I also like how MOVA has a 3-year warranty compared to Narwal's 2-year warranty. This one's mop washboard is not as easy to clean as you'd need to get down or lie on your side to clean under the drainage filter (the washboard itself is actually very good at keeping itself clean).
There's also the Dreame X40 Ultra at 799 EUR. The P50 Pro Ultra is a souped-up version of the X40 Ultra. This one's mop washboard is rather annoying to clean with the wipers catching on fur and so many nooks and crannies.
Narwal freo z ultra would be my cost-efficient but not water-efficient pick if you can connect it to water lines. Just run it to vacuum first then mop everyday and you'll be surprise.
> I was also wondering if there's a robot model that has two liquid deposits: one that could be used to clean the ceramic tiling and one that could mop the hardwood with the specific wood liquid?
I don’t think brands have surface-specific detergent tanks.
The most cost effective choice is the dreame L10S ultra gen 2 in the €400-500 range for a basic all rounder or the Narwal Freo Z ultra at €549 for the most cost effective flagship robot.
I’d say the Narwal Freo Z ultra would be better suited for your home as it can specifically lower the mopping downwards force to 9N for the hardwood floors and increase it to 12N for the tiles. Do note you’d have to refill and empty the water tanks more often than the dreame and won’t have as great vacuuming for the carpets but you’ll get arguably one of the best computer vision on a robot vacuum, a really good smart cleaning mode, and pretty solid mopping.
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Narwal robots and Roborock’s spinning mop robots have the easiest to clean mop washboard as they’re completely removable (the autoempty Narwal models have a disposable dustbin attachment to avoid cleaning it but I find that rather wasteful). The roborock base qrevo is already a pretty good robot as it’s pretty tangle resistant with an all rubber main brush. Roborock’s generally vacuum better than the Narwal but the Narwal has an antitangle conical rubber and bristle brush that works great with the smoothest obstacle avoidance for camera enabled models with the best smart clean mode. As for models, the narwal’s Freo Z ultra is at 549 euros. However it’s very water hungry and requires constant water tank refilling and emptying. This should be the most cost effective choice if you are mainly concerned with ease of maintenance.
What about the Narwal Freo Z ultra? It was €549-599 last time I checked. Would work great with long hair and fur, great mopping from spinning mops, has the best computer vision, arguably the best smart cleaning mode. The only tradeoffs are it needing to have its water tank frequently refilled (your home is 80sqm so it shouldn’t need to be refilled nearly as much compared to bigger homes), not as great vacuuming (since you have no carpet this won’t matter as much), and expensive official accessory prices (get from AliExpress or Taobao for it to be cheap).
I’d also check out Xiaomi if reliable support is important and it may be available to you since you mentioned your home’s area in square meters (Xiaomi sells most of their stuff in most of the world other than the North American market). From them I’d check out the Vacuum mop 5 pro.
The Narwal Freo Z ultra is pretty easy to clean (removable mop washboards mean you won’t have to get down unlike the l40 ultra AE), has great obstacle avoidance, and has some of the best spinning mop mopping performance. It’s just that it uses a lot of water so it’s best to connect it to plumbing or get used to frequently refill the water tanks.
In your list, only the Narwal Freo Z ultra and the Dreame GoVac 500 have an RGB camera for obstacle avoidance. If avoiding things like cables, socks, towels, etc is a priority I’d consider those. The Narwal Freo Z ultra is a great mopper but likes to use a lot of water and the Dreame GoVac 500 is better at vacuuming but the mop washboard has more nooks and crannies.
Check out Jamie Andrews’ review of the X40/Govac500:
https://youtu.be/Mgx73wrZeOU
Check out Jamie Andrews’ review of the Freo Z Ultra:
https://youtu.be/TTKlSsKi19U?si=LCzsQpPKxSNvUZ9H
If you want a flagship robot at a not so flagship price the Narwal Freo Z ultra is my recommendation. Only drawback is you’d have to change the water tanks more often.
For a hard floor apartment without any pets, I don’t think mop removal matters too much (but will for homes with heavily shedding pets). The l40 ultra will have better corner and edge cleaning. Both the l40 and Narwal Freo Z ultra have remote camera viewing and hot water mop washing.
You can connect the Narwal Freo Z ultra to your waterline with an additional kit that just slots into where the water tanks would go (usually sold at other places).
It would be hard for robots in the 400-500 range to avoid things like shoelaces. There’s the Narwal Freo Z ultra at 549 euros last time I checked which does well with fur, has the best smart cleaning mode, and great obstacle avoidance. It just uses more water than other robots but you can connect it to your water line.
You don’t need to consider the Dyson spotslop robot where the autoempty system constantly clogs (as per a Dyson engineer who anonymously tipped the internet off). I’d wait for reviews of more robots to see which is better for your home.
Generally, the feature of electrolyzed water hasn’t resulted in any complaints from users having robots with similar features (the Narwal Freo Z ultra).
The S1 pro is already a great robot mop but other robots have an easier to clean roller mop housing compared to the S1 or should be mostly hands off (Narwal flow).
Most robot vacuum and mop combos don’t put nearly enough water for this to be an issue and you can customize the wetness levels. Most robot vacuum and mop combos exert 6-8N of downwards force on floors when mopping so it’ll be gentle enough. The brushes on robot vacuums are pretty soft in general so I wouldn’t really worry about that aspect
I do like the Narwal Freo Z ultra if you’re ok with refilling the water tanks more often or connecting it to your water line as it can increase the exerted downwards force when mopping from 9N on hardwood floors to 12N for more tile floors.
If you share more about your budget, if your home is mostly hardwood or has carpet and different kinds of hard floors, any pets or people that shed a lot, any thresholds into rooms you want cleaned that are above 2cm, and how hands off you want your robot to be, we can help you find a robot~
I believe the Narwal Freo Z ultra (very water hungry) has a special slot for a wood conditioning solution tank. Other robots with similar features (dreame Matrix 10 and the MOVA Mobius 60) exceed your budget at 1599.
The Narwal flow is good for hardwood floors, I’m just - bit miffed at the base station being a downgrade from the Freo Z ultra when it comes to the detergent functionality.
Also the bona solution is ph neutral and mopping machine friendly so you’ll be fine for warranty as long as you say you used the dreame solution ;)
Most robot vacuum and mop combos don’t put down too much water and you can easily customize the water put down so a drying feature isn’t needed.
I’d check out the Narwal Freo Z ultra or the Freo z10 ultra for a mopping focused robot as it’s more gentle on hardwood floors (exerting 8N) if you’re okay with refilling the water tanks more often or connecting it to your water tank as it should have a dedicated wood care detergent cartridge you can slot in. It isn’t as great for rug vacuuming though but there are other more water efficient options from roborock and MOVA that do better in this aspect.
So shiny! If you’re okay with hooking up your robot’s base station to your water lines, I’d go for the Narwal Freo Z ultra which has become so much cheaper (like less than half the price in the US and EU). Narwal robots are mopping focused so I’d recommend this one over the Saros 10 as the price is more preferable and it has the best smart cleaning mode out of all the brands (not sure how this compares to DJI but that’s a problem for when DJI launches their robot internationally). I’d go for the Saros 10 if you love the roborock app that much, want better vacuuming, and are still okay with getting down to clean under the drainage filter every once in the while (the base station on the Narwal Freo Z ultra has an entirely removable bottom bit for the easiest cleaning).
There is no definitive best but I’d prioritize robots with great mopping like the Dreame Aqua 10 pro track (no reviews on the Dreame rollers so I don’t recommend it yet), the eufy s1 or the e25/28, MOVA z50 ultra, Narwal Freo Z ultra.
I highly recommend combo robots if your parents walk around the house barefoot, it greatly improves the feel!
The combo robots I found best for keeping itself clean are the dreame and MOVA robots with the filter self cleaning function and the flat washboard. I was able to get away with making my MOVA V50 run everyday for 3 months without a noticeable change in cleanliness. After that it’ll be and the roborock Curv 2 Pro and the Narwal spinning mop robots which generally consume more water than the other options. The app is going to be a challenge for them but you can set it up for them and put it on a schedule so they won’t have to open the app at all.
The MOVA will be better at vacuuming and the Narwal will have the best smart cleaning mode and mopping but vacuuming isn’t as good as the MOVA and tanks need to be refilled more often.
Yep the narwal models are great for mopping, but are very water inefficient compared to other models with an onboard water tank. There's also the MOVA V50 Ultra with mop pads that can tilt which is good for uneven tile floors.
It is mainly a result of confirmation bias, and most online posts are subject to the self-selecting bias. Many well-made robot vacuums can go much longer, and so even well-made combo vacuum and mop robots are still lasting well.
Brands I'd go for: Dreame can have well built robots (I'd avoid the aqua 10 roller for now as there seems to be a design flaw) customer service depends heavily on region and there's mixed feedback regarding this; Eufy has generally solid customer service all around; MOVA seems to have pretty solid build quality, other than the p50 for the NA market (broken front wheel) and the z50 (docking issue due to a design flaw), solid customer service seems to be better than dreame's even though they're serviced by the same group as dreame owns MOVA; Narwal which hasbuild quality seems to be pretty good with some reporting it still worked flawlessly even though it fell off a flight of stairs because their cliff sensors are a bit weird, customer service reviews are mixed; Roborock which has build quality seems to be solid overall but obstacle avoidance is their only flaw, mixed reviews of customer service from very negative to very positive); and Xiaomi which has generally solid build quality and customer service for its price (I bought from them before and when something got stuck in the wheel where I couldn't reach it, they fixed it and shipped it back in a week).
You are spoiled for options.
Dreame, ecovacs, mova, and Narwal have roller mop robots.
I’d narrow it down to mova and Narwal imo. Dreame’s Aqua 10 roller robots are clearly based off the MOVA Z60 ultra roller complete (MOVA is a subbrand of dreame but they have completely different R&D teams) but with less downwards force when mopping (dreame does 9-12N and MOVA currently exerts the highest downwards force at 17N). I have seen some people report that their Z60 Ultra Roller’s autoempty port gets clogged with fur but I haven’t had this happen at all after it has cleaned 43,000sqft and I have a long haired corgi that sheds all the time. Narwal is also a good choice with a track type mop exerting 12N but it lacks a detergent tank in the base station so you’d need to manually add the detergent when you refill the clean water tank (up to you to decide how important that is).
MOVA did send me their v50 ultra complete and the Z60 ultra complete to review as part of their Reddit collaboration program. Both did great removing overnight dried on kitchen grease in one go. The z60 ultra roller was able to get rid of splattered dog friendly ice cream left by my dog with most of it gone in 1 pass and totally squeaky clean in the second pass. My review of the Z60 ultra roller complete is being finalized~~~
For spinning mops, the roborock ones are very very plush which is good for textured floor. The Narwal robots are even better at mopping textured floors since it has even thicker mops but it uses a lot more water compared to those with internal water tanks like the roborock qrevo.
If referring to the Narwal robots using only structured light, yes. If referring to the RGB camera enabled Narwal robots, they’re absolutely wrong. Narwal’s computer vision and their AI smart cleaning mode is one of the leading ones with roborock trailing in this area.
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