Roborock - S8

I always think about the S8, but my S7 is rocking pretty good. I have a lot of deep carpet and cat litter, so it works hard.

I have the non-plumbed version of the S8 and have loved it. So much better than previous robovacs I've owned.

You are going to love your S8! Once you get used to it, check out the higher suction settings and 2x cleaning options on your high pile carpets. It will dig out hair, dust, dirt and debris you never imagined were in there! But don't run the highest suction setting on your high pile carpets too often. They can suck the carpet fibers right out of the carpets. I use the highest setting (Max+) about once per month with 2x for a deep cleaning. Otherwise I use either Max or Turbo on them for my three times per week routine cleaning. I hope you love your S8! I have two of the basic ones with only charging docks. I love them!!!

We have two charging base only S8s. Nothing beats any model of S8 for vacuuming rugs and carpets, especially if there is a lot of fur and hair. I work on all sorts of robovacs, so I constantly test one against the other. I will send the test vacuum through our three carpeted bedrooms on their max suction setting. Immediately afterwards, I send in one of our S8s with only 6000Pa of max suction. The S8 always comes back with a much, much fuller dustbin than the test robovac that I sent in first. It doesn't matter if the test robovac is a $1500 premium model or not, and it doesn't matter who made it. The charging base only, $350 basic S8 always brings back a fuller dustbin. Obviously, a fancier S8 has more suction power, which will help considerably. However, this comes with one warning. If you vacuum often on high suction settings, be careful! Over time, high suction settings will pull the carpet fibers and twisted strands out of your carpet and ruin them. Many other robovacs outperform the S8 in other areas like mopping and navigation. Vacuuming hard floors is easy and all robovacs do well. But, so far, I have not seen a single example that does better than an S8 for vacuuming rugs and carpets.

I have had excellent results with Roborock S8s and Saros 10R with Home Assistant. All of my Roborock app routines were fully integrated into Home Assistant as entities. Now I can run every aspect right from Home Assistant, and by extension, through Alexa using voice routines. This is fantastic! I have used other robovacs with home assistant, but I have never had them integrate so well! Since Roborock robovacs are the only thing I am qualified to talk about, I will make some suggestions. I, personally, would avoid automatically detangling roller brushes. They do detangle very well. But they do not clean as well, especially with lots of pet hair and on rugs and carpets. The dual roller systems take a few minutes to maintain, but they clean much, much better than the single split roller systems that auto detangle. Personally, I would seriously consider something along the lines of a Roborock Qrevo Master. It is a great compromise between dock automation and good vacuuming ability. It has the dual rollers systems for excellent vacuuming, a mostly automated dock, but it does make some compromises. It is a bit more than you want to spend. But it is an excellent system that offers a lot at a much lower price than other models.

You will be impressed with what a robovac can do. They cannot clean up a really big mess, but they can sure do a lot! I count on ours to handle 90-95% of our routine floor cleaning tasks. For everything they cannot do, I use a cordless stick vacuum and a cheap steam mop. I use the stick vacuum here and there because of cat hair and litter, but I doubt I use it more than about 10 minutes per week. I use the steam mop for about 10 minutes a month to go around the edges of rooms, and the edges of rugs, on our hard floors that the robot vacuum cleaners can't reliably hit. I also use the steam mop for the very occasional larger mess. You are very fortunate that you have hard floors. Almost any robovac will do at least a decent job vacuuming hard floors. Where they really face a challenge is with trampled in hair, dirt, dust and debris on carpets and rugs. Only a very few robovacs do a decent job under these conditions. Mopping will be a bigger issue for you. Everyone has their favorite robovac and no one can make this decision for you. Every robovac has strengths and weaknesses. No robovac is perfect, and no robovac will provide miracles no matter how fancy and expensive it is. Expectations need to be managed before one buys or one will end up disappointed and upset. The fanciest robovacs are not always the best for a specific purpose. We have a pair of Roborock S8 base models with charging docks only (US$350) and a very fancy Roborock Saros 10R (US$1500). The 10R is a mediocre vacuum cleaner on rugs and carpets, but it is an excellent mopping machine with a fully automated dock that does almost anything. The S8s are fantastic vacuum cleaners even though they only have 6000Pa of suction power. They get and keep our rugs, carpets and hard floors very clean three times per week, but I do have to spend about two minutes on each of them with maintainenance each time I use them. With two S8s each vacuuming half of our house, and the 10R doing all the mopping three times per week, our house is always clean and ready for visitors with minimal effort on my part. After all of that, I can easily make due without my Saros 10R. But, losing one of our S8s would be tragic!!! I hope this is helpful! I cannot provide answers, only lots of things to consider. Choose carefully! I will add that our two S8s end up cleaning much better and more thoroughly than either our Shark Professional or our Dyson upright vacuum cleaners do. But it took me quite a long time to figure out how to use them for their advantages and compensate for their weaknesses.

I have had to improvise two ramps in my home for our S8s. It was easy to do and they even look pretty good. If you are creative, this will not be a problem. The shape of your apartment will not make a difference. Both moving around your house and mopping consume very little battery power. The single biggest power requirement is vacuuming. I always tell anyone who asks me what to get to start with a basic, charging dock only S8 for $350 and learn how it works and how to use it to your advantage. Then get something fancier later on. You will be very glad you have the S8 when you buy a fancy one from any manufacturer and find out how mediocre they are at vacuuming. Then, like our own Saros 10R, the fancy one will be relegated to mopping only while the S8 (in our case, two of them) does all the vacuuming. A happy balance between the S8 and the Saros 10R is the Qrevo Master. This does not apply to any other Qrevo model!!!!!!!!! It is not as fully automated as the Saros 10R, but it is still fairly automated and has the rear spinning mops. And it is the only Qrevo model that retains the vacuuming module of the S8 for excellent vacuuming. My neighbor bought one and she loves it! If I wanted to buy another robovac right now, it would be the Qrevo Master. I wish I would have known about it when I bought our Saros 10R. It would fit our needs much better and costs $700 less than the Saros 10R. I hope this helps! One more thought... All the manufacturers and review sites test their robovacs with cereal, coffee grounds and other household items loosely sprinkled on various surfaces. This stuff is easy to pick up. The real test is if you leave this stuff on the ground for half of a week and let it get well trampled into your rugs and carpets. Then test the robovacs!!! This is the real world testing I use in our home with very heavy foot traffic, people with long hair, cats, a litter box and constant dirt and debris being tracked through our home.

We have a pair of base model S8s ($350 each) with only charging docks, and a Saros 10R ($1500). I can easily live without my Saros 10R. Losing an S8 would be tragic! The 10R is very impressive and very automated in every area except vacuuming on rugs and carpets. It is a mediocre vacuum cleaner at best. It does not vacuum any better than a cheap Home Depot off-the-shelf model. The S8s are vacuuming monsters on rugs and carpets. Our house gets lots of foot traffic, there are people with long hair and two cats and a litter box. Everything gets trampled into the rugs and carpets. The S8s were life changers. The Saros 10R has become a very fancy and expensive mop. If you only have hard floors, almost anything will work and do a decent job. This gives you much more flexibility. I would recommend a compromise since you might end up with carpets. The Qrevo Master ($800) offers the spinning mops of more modern and fancier models. It has a very automated but not super automated dock that does most things but not all of them. More importantly, it keeps the dual roller vacuum module of the S8s for excellent vacuuming. The down side is that you will have to spend about two minutes doing some very easy maintenance on it occasionally. It also does not have the extending side mops and it isn't as slim at a Saros. I really wish I would have purchased a Qrevo Master over our Saros 10R. Our neighbor has one and it is fantastic. It would have served my needs much better than the Saros 10R and I could have saved $700. Expectations are the biggest issues new robovac owners have to overcome. For $1500 we want a miracle! No robovac can do everything, none of them are perfect, and there are no miracles. A $350 robovac will change your life completely. The extra $1150 will just get you a little bit more. But a fancier, automated robovac will not necessarily clean better. All robovacs can do is handle about 90% of your floor cleaning needs. They cannot do everything no matter how fancy and how expensive they are. But 90% is a lot and you will be amazed at the results! There is also a learning curve. One has to learn how to use them for their strengths and overcome their weaknesses. Because of all of this, I always suggest people start with a $350 model. They are truly amazing! Save the $1150 for the next robovac once more improvements have been made in a year or two and you know how to use one and what to expect. All robovacs, no matter how fancy and how expensive, are very primitive machines. They look and feel complex. But they just are not. Lastly, the only reason to consider the fancy new navigation systems is if there might be pet waste in your home. If a robovac cannot avoid this mess, it will become a disaster. Lidar navigation is really good. The fancier, newer systems are very slightly better at obstacle avoidance, but they are not perfect either. Lidar works great and is very, very reliable. Unless you have to worry about pet waste or similar messes, there is no reason to even consider a navigation system beyond lidar. There is no additional benefit. I hope this helps!

I feel the same way about our two basic S8s. I love those little machines!

I use, repair and maintain all sorts of robot vacuum cleaners from many different manufacturers. I have owned only Roborocks, including the S7 that we wore out completely, and our current lineup including a pair of basic S8s (charging dock only, no fancy features) and a Saros 10R. I am very familiar with robovacs! I am of the opinion that the S8 vacuums rugs and carpets much, much better than any other robovac in my experience. Hard floors and mopping are basic and relatively easy, and most robovacs do a decent job with them. Our home has a lot of foot traffic, pets and people with long hair. My basic test for how well a robovac vacuums is to have one vacuum our three carpeted bedrooms on its maximum suction setting. When it is done, I send in one of our S8s to cover the same area using its maximum suction setting. Whichever robovac goes first should pick up more dust, dirt and hair, right? Our S8s consistently come back with four to five times the amount of debris than any other robovac I have ever sent in first, including our fancy new Saros 10R. I have even sent in one S8 first, followed by the second one. The first one will bring back a full dustbin. The second one will be almost empty. There are many other similar situations that I have observed but do not test regularly, so I cannot really use them as any kind of fair comparison, but, observationally, the S8 seems to very consistently out perform any other robovac when it comes to cleaning rugs and carpets. Obviously, there are many other areas that are important when it comes to robovacs, such as navigation, mopping etc. I am not looking at these areas at the moment. As a vacuum cleaner only, our S8s out perform our Saros 10R so significantly and consistently, that I really only use our Saros 10R to vacuum under stuff that the S8s do not fit under. Otherwise, the Saros 10R is a mopping machine in our home. I have even consulted Roborock customer service extensively in order to find ways to improve its vacuuming ability without success. I am curious if anyone else has made any meaningful comparison between the S8s vacuuming abilility and any other robovacs. It is my gold standard for rugs and carpets right now, and nothing else has been able to come anywhere close it it. With how quickly our home gets dirty and full of hair, I run our robovacs daily through our entire house. Especially our S8s have very high milage on them. Has anyone seen any kind of robovac that out performs the S8s vacuuming ability in any kind of meaningful real-world test?

We had to retire our S7 due to excessive wear. That why I bought our first S8. Our robovacs get used a lot! Both of our current S8s have over 200,000 square feet (19,000 square meters) of history under their belts and are probably due for new batteries soon. The S7 is a workhorse and does very well. My daughter has one too and loves it. You would absolutely love an S8 for vacuuming rugs and carpets. It will pick up much more dust, dirt, hair, cat litter and other debris than the S7. There are fancier robovacs out there that do all sorts of amazing stuff, but I have yet to see one that out performs the S8 as a vacuum cleaner only. Even the Dreame X50, which has a very similar vacuuming module with much higher suction, does not do a better job. If you do decide to try an S8, I can only recommend the base model with charging dock only. The fancier versions with auto mop washing can be problematic as the mop washing system gets clogged with mud, and it is a pain in the neck to clean them at times. There are better robovac mopping systems available that are much easier to maintain than the ones on the fancier S8s. But one cannot beat them for vacuuming in my experience, although someone did talk about the Dyson 360 above. It may be a great option to explore.

I have two Roborock S8 robovacs with charging docks only. They are phenomenal vacuum cleaners! Vacuuming is their best feature. You will be incredibly pleased with the basic S8 that if on sale for $350 right now. After you run it and see what it sucks out of your rugs and carpets, you will think you have never cleaned your home properly before. Our two do better than our fancy Shark Professional and Dyson upright vacuum. You won't believe me till you see it for yourself. Here is the downside of the S8 if you were considering a fancy robovac with automated dock that does everything for you. The basic S8 does not have such a dock. You can get one for an additional $1000. But you don't need one. It takes two minutes to empty the dustbin and clean the rollers in the S8. This is a small thing for it to ask after it spends over an hour cleaning your house for you. Two minutes saves you $1000. And the $350 S8 will vacuum much, much better than any other robovac flagship costing $1500 on rugs and carpets. Hard floors are easy. Carpets, especially deep cleaning carpenter, are where the real challenges are!

I am completely unfamiliar with the model you are looking at. But I hope I can still help a little bit. Don't look at pascals at all. They are completely meaningless. The ability to create a vacuum doesn't help much. The important thing is airflow. That is what moves debris kicked up by the rollers through the vacuum channel into the dustbin. No one gives airflow information. If the robovac has a single split auto detangling roller, it has worse airflow than much older models with full length single or double rollers. This is only a generalization. I am not talking about specific models. And it is generally true for any robovac by any manufacturer. My personal example of this is that my older, charging base only $350 S8 with 6000Pa of suction power significantly outperforms my $1500 Saros 10R with 18500Pa of suction power when it comes to pure vacuuming capability. I live in the USA. I don't know what things cost in Europe. But I would consider a base model S7 or S8 with only a charging dock over significantly newer, fancier models if vacuuming cleaning ability is the only factor. They also mop well, but there are better mopping models out there. They just quickly sacrifice vacuuming ability. I hope this helps get you a little bit further!

I am not sure it is the best option, but I think it is a solid option, especially for the price. Keep in mind that the Q models are somewhat stripped down versions of fancier models. As far a vacuuming ability goes, I think it will do very well. Auto detangling split single rollers are all the rage right now because no one wants to spend two minutes removing the rollers, pulling off their ends, removing wound up hair from the ends and putting it back together. These new rollers are great at avoiding hair tangles, but they provide mediocre vacuuming ability. The Q5 Max+ has the slightly older dual counter rotating solid rollers. In my book, this is excellent! The two minutes per week you will have to spend on roller maintenance will get you much, much better vacuuming performance than you would get with a $1500 Saros 10R flagship model. Personally, I opted for a pair of charging dock only S8s because they are vacuuming monsters, and I don't mind manually emptying my dustbin because I would have to remove it weekly anyway to clean the air filter. So will you even though it has a self emptying dock. I love my S8s and they vacuum clean like beasts, especially on rugs and carpets!!! I don't think the Q5 Max+ is that much of a step down from an S8 when it comes to vacuuming abolity. But you will have a bit less flexibility and capabilities in the app. All the essentials will be there. I think it will serve you well. Good luck and happy robovacing!

Get a charging dock only Roborock S8 for its fantastic vacuuming ability on rugs and carpets for upstairs. Turn down the suction power in the bathrooms or any robovac will struggle with your bathroom rugs and mats. Consider a Roborock Qrevo Master for downstairs. It also has the same excellent vacuuming ability of the S8, and it mops very well also. There are a few reasons for this suggestion. Most people want the modern split single auto detangling rollers because they can avoid having to spend two minutes each week removing the rollers, pulling off the ends and removing the wound up hair. Two minutes! That's all it takes. The solid dual counter rotating rollers in the S8s and Qrevo Master vacuum clean much, much better because the rollers kick up debris better than the detangling rollers and these robovacs have much better airflow too. Pascal numbers are meaningless marketing hype. Airflow is what moves debris kicked up by the rollers through the vacuum channel into the dustbin . No manufacturer provides airflow information. The Qrevo Master has a nicely automated dock, but not a fully automated dock like the super fancy models. You get auto dustbin emptying and auto mop washing and drying. What you don't get is an automatic floor cleaning solution tank. This means you will have to add a bit more than one tablespoon of cleaning solution to a full clean water tank if you want to use the solution. Robovacs mop just fine with just water. But the solution does add a nice shine to the floor, it helps with water spots, and it helps a little bit with cleaning. What you do get is savings. The Qrevo Master gets you all the important features of the super expensive models for far less money. But you will have to add a tablespoon of cleaning solution if you want to use it, and spend two minutes per week on maintenance. I think this is an ideal solution for you. It would be for me in your situation. Avoid the auto detangling rollers if excellent vacuum cleaning ability is important to you. Good luck with your selection! I hope you love whatever you choose!

Your S8 is a vacuuming champ, especially using its higher suction settings. It is very hard to find a robovac that will outperform it on rugs and carpets. I am not aware of any that do so at this time. The 10R is very cool, but it is a very average vacuum cleaner at best. We have two charging dock only S8s and a 10R. The S8s vacuum clean much, much better than the 10R on rugs and carpets. Everything else about the 10R is fantastic. But as a vacuum cleaner is is about as good as a bargain brand cheap robovac. Almost any robovac can do an acceptable job vacuuming hard floors. If your S8 is not doing a good job vacuuming rugs and carpets using its higher suction settings, there is definitely something wrong with it. Have you kept up your maintenance and changed the rollers as recommended? Is it's dustbin empty when you start cleaning? Is your exhaust port clogged? Perhaps you need a new vacuuming blower. These are available on Amazon and are fairly easy to replace.

We have a 10R and a pair of base model, charging dock only S8s. Compared to our $350 S8s, our 10R sucks at vacuuming. It is so bad that I do all of our vacuuming with the S8s and only use the 10R as a mop. What you described with the air flow coming out of the exhaust vents is exactly what I experienced. The S8 moves a lot of air. The 10R feels much, much weaker. My standard robovac test is very simple. I have a test robovac vacuum our three carpeted bedrooms on its maximum vacuum suction setting. Immediately afterwards, I send in an S8 using its maximum vacuum settings. Then I compare the results in the dustbin. Whenever I do this with our 10R, I do find stuff in the dustbin, but there is never all that much. When the S8 goes through right afterwards, it's dustbin is completely full. The S8 that recleaned an already cleaned (by the 10R) room picks up five times as much stuff. I have tried this over and over again with the same results.

That depends entirely on what kind of obstacles and thresholds you need to overcome. Keep in mind that these are primitive cleaning machines, even the fancy, expensive ones. Expecting much more from them is a bit ridiculous. The only reason to get the new, fancy navigation system with better obstacle avoidance is if one's home is a mess and/or there is a risk of pet waste on the floor. The new navigation system is only a bit better, not much better than lidar. And it is far from perfect. I pick all the stuff on our floors up (mostly cat toys) before vacuuming anyway. The fancy obstacle avoidance features are wasted on me. I have a Saros 10R. I much prefer my old lidar S8s for their significantly better vacuuming ability and because they are much faster at getting the job done. Shiny floors with reflections, mirrors, strange carpet patterns and more all mess with the navigation system in the Saros 10R. It may be better, but to me it feels like the machine is insecure, hesitant and spends too much time futzing around with anything it doesn't like. I want it to move along and get the job done. The Saros 10R also wanders around the house once in a while before picking back up and getting back on task. The new navigation system is very cool, but I find it annoying to use in practice. How big are your thresholds? I have a big one beneath the door from our house into the garage. The Saros 10R can climb over this one and our S8s cannot. Otherwise, we have several other thresholds in our house that are over an inch tall and are all right angles (nothing that looks like a ramp at all). Our S8s may not be graceful at it, but they always get over them. I have one threshold which is closer to an inch and a half. I made a little ramp for it that works very well and looks like it belongs where it is. It looks nice in our home. Our S8s climb this ramp just fine. In case this is useful, if one removes the mops or leaves them in the dock when vacuuming only, a robovac can climb thresholds better than with its mops attached. All the cool stuff in the marketing videos are all done under ideal conditions. Please do not expect anything like what you see in the videos to work that well in the real world. Lastly, a robot vacuum cleaner is simply a vacuum cleaner with some cool features. If it can't vacuum clean very well, it isn't useful to me. For me, the Saros 10R was a very fancy, impressive, expensive mistake. A Qrevo Master for $700 less would have served me much better and left me with a cleaner house. Here is an idea! Get a Qrevo Master and I will trade you my Saros 10R for it! 😁 I hope this helps!

We have pets, people with long hair, and lots of hair in our house. Our charging dock only, base model $350 Roborock S8s with 6000Pa of suction power vacuum cleans much, much, much better than our $1500 Roborock Saros 10R with 18500Pa of suction power.

Lots and lots of hair can be a problem for any robovac. They are very small machines with very small dustbins. Anything with decent vacuuming ability will require more frequent maintenance. A Qrevo Master should do a great job, but there is the possibility it may not. For anything you choose in the end, I suggest you thoroughly vacuum your home with a good upright first, before you start using the robovac. From there, use your robovac often!!! I suggest at least every other day. Check you dustbin often before it gets emptied by the dock. If it is about 2/3rds or more full before the dock empties it, increase the emptying frequency so that the robovac returns to the dock more often for emptying. Also, make sure the suction in the dock is set to maximum when it empties the robovac dustbin. Any robovac with a self emptying dock has an extra tiny dustbin. Sometimes vacuuming huge amounts of hair can be achieved more successfully with something like a $350 base model, charging dock only S8. It's dustbin is much larger. This means you will have to empty it yourself. But the robovac will go much further before this is necessary. I use two basic S8s. Each vacuums half of my house. When they are done, I take them to my garbage can and empty the dustbin. Then I remove the rollers, pull of the ends and remove the wound up hair. I also use two air filters in rotation. The dirty one gets rinsed well under hot tap water and is set aside to dry for at least 48 hours. A clean, thoroughly dry one is put back into the dustbin and you are ready to roll. This should be done with any robovac weekly. It sounds like a lot, but it really isn't. It takes me a few minutes and it is very easy to do. For this effort, I get excellent vacuuming ability and I do not have to spend 90 minutes vacuuming our house. The most important thing for me is that I do not have to revacuum my house with an upright after the robovac is done. I hope this helps!

The Curv and the Edge are almost identical. It is a good thing you did not choose to go the same route a second time! What did you not like about the Edge? My guess is vacuuming ability. If this is the case, you will love the S8!!! Any S8 model is a vacuuming beast!!! There is a bit of a cost for excellent vacuuming ability. It will require about two minutes of your time once per week. You will have to remove the rollers, pull off their ends, and remove the wound up hair that collects around them. These two minutes of effort will provide you much better vacuuming capability than any model by any manufacturer with auto detangling rollers. Here is another free tip. Order at least one spare air filter today! When you maintain your rollers, remove the dirty air filter from your dustbin. Rinse it thoroughly under hot water from both sides. A small nylon brush can help dig out the gunk and fuzz from the filter during rinsing. Be gentle! Set the wet air filter aside to dry for at least 48 hours. Put a clean, thoroughly dry air filter back into your dustbin and you are all set. The next time you swap them back. One should do this with any robovac from any manufacturer!!! I hope this helps!

I think airflow is the key. High pascal numbers require a contained vacuum. The only way to achieve this is by restricting airflow. Most robovacs use either the same or very similar parts made by a very small pool of manufacturers. Many, many robovacs all have the same parts no matter which robovac company makes them. I see this all the time. I will crack open a model with 20,000Pa of suction power and find a vacuum fan of the exact same model as I replaced last week in a robovac with only 2,200Pa of suction power. The same one!!! This leaves a restricted airflow as the only means of achieving 20,000Pa of vacuum pressure. You cannot create a vacuum in open air.

I just have a standard test for vacuuming ability after I complete a repair. Since every mopping technology works very well as long as it is done frequently, I don't bother to test this. Our little house has people with long hair, two cats, a litter box, and lots of heavy, dirty foot traffic. Everything gets well trampled in quickly. I have a test robovac vacuum our three carpeted bedrooms on its highest suction setting. When it has finished, I send one of our base model, charging dock only Roborock S8s through the same three rooms on its highest suction setting. Then I compare the results of the dustbins. The test robovac went first when the carpets were dirtiest because they had not been cleaned yet. Its dustbin should, in principle, be the fullest. The S8 should have less, right? So far, after hundreds of robovacs, nothing has beaten one of my S8s yet, and it only has 6000Pa of suction power. The S8s almost always come back with roughly 3-5 times more debris than the test robovac by weight or volume. I have even tried this same test in reverse. Then the S8 has a nice full dustbin, and the test robovac's dustbin, while not empty, has almost nothing in it. When I try this with one S8 followed by the second one, the first one has a full dustbin and the second one is almost empty. There are some that come much closer to my S8s than most. One is the S7. Other, older S series robovacs also do very well. Actually, many robovacs with about 2,000Pa or more of suction with dual counter rotating rollers do pretty well from many manufactures. What does not perform well is any robovac with any kind of auto detangling rollers combined with high suction numbers. Somewhere around 8,000-10,000Pa there is a noticable decline in vacuuming ability. By the time one hits 18,000-20,000Pa it becomes terrible. My test is not fancy. It is not scientific or carefully calculated or AI weighted. But it is extremely reliable. And, of course, my test only has to please me. I bought a Roborock Saros 10R because I was so impressed with our first $350 S8 when I got it. The Saros 10R is a terrible vacuum cleaner, especially on rugs and carpets. As a result, it only mops now and I got a second $350 S8 to split our vacuuming tasks. Personally, I only ever recommend any model of Roborock S8 purely for its vacuuming ability. But I dislike the mopping system. It does a great job mopping, but the mechanism in the dock used to clean the mops it too complicated and needs far too much maintenance. The only other thing I will recommend to people is a Roborock Qrevo Master because it has the rear spinners that the dock handles well with its very simple mechanism that is easy to maintain. Most importantly, it uses a vacuuming module that is almost identical to the ones used by the S8s. It has everything one needs for a clean house without all the modern nonsense and gimics that cost a lot but do not actually help get the house any cleaner. As for other robovacs, there are quite a few that I like. There are many that have some things that I like and others that I do not. I do have a strong preference for the lower end, basic models from expensive lines. My cheap S8s are a good example of this. But, so far, I don't feel strongly enough about any of them to recommend them. I see most of them simply as average. The fact that my favorites are Roborocks is unintentional. However, iRobots and Roborocks make up almost half of all of the different robovacs I get to work on. They are the ones I have the most experience with. This is only my opinion. I am fortunate that I only need to please myself. I hope this answers your question. I am not sure it does. Keep in mind that it takes a while before the latest models come to my door. I hope this helps!

Yes, I agree! S8s are awesome. My two S8s are vacuuming beasts!

I suggest going cheap rather than fancy. Avoid anything with a fancy dock altogether, and get one with only a charging dock. The base model, charging dock only Roborock S8 should do a great job if you get multiple mop pads for it. Here is my reasoning: It vacuums very, very well! It also does a great job mopping, and it is very cheap by modern standards. Get more than four mop pads for it. After each floor, check the dustbin and see if it needs to be emptied. It can probably vacuum more than one floor per dustbin. Empty as needed. Use one mop pad per floor. Just get the mop wet, wring it out, and install it on the mop plate. Use a different mop pad for each floor. Throw the dirty mop pads in the washing machine along with any load of laundry you like. This cleans mop pads better than any dock can do. You will save a lot of money. This machine will do a great job for you, and you eliminate the issues with a dock. You will have to carry any robovac you pick between floors anyway. The few extra steps required for life without a fancy dock only take minutes. And it is easy to do. To me, this seems like an ideal solution! I only have a single floor in my home. I use a pair of the cheapest S8s. Each one cleans half of the house. This works great for me. I have wanted to upgrade, but because of the S8s excellent vacuuming ability, I find it hard to do so. No super fancy, super expensive model currently available from any manufacturer can vacuum clean nearly as well as my cheap S8s. I can spend a huge amount of money on a fancy new machine, but this will only eliminate a couple of minutes per week of effort. It just isn't worth it! I love my cheap S8s! I think my solution will actually save you quite a few trips up and down the stairs if you are smart about how you handle things. I hope this helps!

One of the other commentors brought up a significant issue. Almost all robovacs can only store three maps. This means you will need two of anything you choose. Two S8s means you can store six maps total, so this will still work well and probably cost less than other, fancier options. Another benefit of two robovacs is that you will never have to wait for batteries to charge for several hours halfway through your cleaning efforts. And you will cut your total floor cleaning time in half. That same thing is true for your trips up and down the stairs. It means two floors per robovac. I know I am crazy, but I cleaned up my garage and got everything up off of the floor that I could. I chose shelving that my robovacs easily fit under. And I cleaned up the oil stains with soap and water. Now my garage floor is part of my normal floor cleaning schedule three times per week, and it is always nice and clean like the rest of our house. I repair robovacs as a side job so I spend a lot of time in my garage working on them. I like a clean and tidy environment so I can focus. Having a clean garage floor is a wonderful luxury, and with two robovacs, you have a spare map available. I find running two S8s to be fantastic! I hope this helps!

Just keep in mind that pascal suction numbers are meaningless when it comes to vacuuming ability. Vacuum pressure is measured in pascals. A vacuum chamber can have super high vacuum pressure, but it can't move anything anywhere. What really counts is airflow. Airflow is what moves debris kicked up by the rollers into the dustbin. Robovacs are all made with the same, or very similar, very cheap plastic parts purchased from third party manufacturers. Robovac manufacturers just install the parts. Most robovacs, no matter who makes them, essentially have the same or similar parts in them. You can see this yourself by looking up parts for your favorite robovac on AliExpress. If the parts are about the same, there is only one remaining way to create the super high pascal numbers everyone wants to buy. And that is to restrict airflow. And that means poor vacuuming ability. About 5000Pa is about all one needs in a robovac for good vacuuming, as long as there is good airflow. Any robovac with 15,000-20,000+ Pa of suction power has had it's airflow severely restricted in our to produce these high pascal numbers that everyone thinks they want. The best example of this, that I can offer, is that our $350, base model, charging dock only Roborock S8 with 6,000Pa of suction power significantly outperforms our $1500 Roborock Saros 10R with 18,500Pa of suction power when it comes to vacuuming ability. Our S8 vacuums so well, and the Saros 10R vacuums so poorly, that I bought a second cheap S8. Now our S8s each vacuum half of our house in 45 minutes, and the Saros 10R mops in about 45 additional minutes. I don't use the Saros 10R to vacuum at all anymore except for under two dressers that the S8s do not fit under. Furthermore, our Saros 10R is actually our second one. The first one failed six weeks after we bought it and Roborock replaced it. It performed exactly like the first one with poor vacuuming ability. It does do a great job mopping! No robovac manufacturer publishes airflow information. I hope this helps!

I bought a $350 Roborock S8 base model (charging dock only) about a year ago. It vacuums fantastically! When the Saros models came out I was very excited and bought a $1500 10R. It is a terrible vacuum cleaner. It moves very little air through its system compared to our S8 even on it maximum suction setting. It does mop very well. Because of this, I bought a second $350 S8. Now each of the S8s vacuum half of our home and the Saros 10R has become a very fancy, expensive mop. I find this very disappointing! I think the Roborock Qrevo Master is the perfect hybrid between these two models. It has the same vacuuming module as the S8 with the same mopping system as the 10R. The dock is not fully automated, but it is still very automated. The only thing missing is the automatic floor cleaning solution tank. The Roborock Qrevo Master would have served my needs much better than the Saros 10R for half of the cost! With two of them, I could have vacuumed and mopped our entire house in about 50 minutes without needing to recharge any batteries halfway through the job.

I would look at a base model, charging dock only Roborock S8. It has good navigation, excellent vacuuming ability and it lifts it mops over rugs and carpets. It is an excellent machine for $350 right now!!! It does not have any fancy features or an automated dock, but it sounds like you cannot fit any kind of automated dock. It is a simple, solid, reliable machine that performs very well and has an excellent app. I hope this helps!

Robomopping is fairly easy, so I will get back to that later. Excellent vacuuming ability is the biggest challenge. Everyone wants auto detangling rollers nowadays. Auto detangling rollers work great for auto detangling hair. And they require almost no maintenance. But if one wants excellent vacuuming ability, one should avoid them. Dual counter rotating solid rubber rollers kick up debris much, much better than the auto detangling rollers do. These are usually found on the previous generation of robovacs rather than the newest models. The market demands auto detangling rollers and the manufacturers deliver what people want. Everyone is looking for astronomical pascal suction numbers thinking this will make their robovac vacuum better. Vacuum pressure is measured in pascals, and this is what these numbers refer to. A vacuum chamber can have super high vacuum pressure, but it will never move any debris anywhere. Vacuum pressure helps a little bit, but it is actually airflow that moves debris kicked up by the rollers into the dustbin. In order to vacuum well, a vacuum cleaner needs excellent airflow. No manufacturer gives any information about airflow at all because all of their latest models and flagships would look terrible to buyers. This is because the easiest way to deliver the super high pascal suction numbers the market currently demands is to restrict airflow. Here, the link between high pascal numbers and low airflow suddenly becomes very clear. Robovacs all use either the same or very similar internal parts. These parts are all very cheap, off-the-shelf parts made by third party manufacturers. You can see this yourself by searching for parts for your favorite robovac on AliExpress. Robovac manufacturers buy these parts and install them in their products. It is surprising how cheap the parts are in very expensive robovacs! If they are all using the same or similar parts, there is only one remaining way to increase vacuum pressure - decrease airflow. The result is decreased vacuuming ability. Robovacs with dual counter rotating rollers and good airflow vacuum much much better than any newer model currently available. This comes at a cost. Better vacuuming ability requires two minutes of weekly maintenance that the newer models with poor vacuuming ability will spare you. You have to remove the rollers, pull off their ends, and remove the wound up hair that collects around them. If you want excellent vacuuming ability, these two minutes of maintenace are required. All of the above applies to all robovac manufacturers equally. My favorite robovacs for vacuuming ability are any of the models in the Roborock S8 line. Every one of these vacuums very, very well. I have a pair of $350 base model, charging dock only S8s with 6000Pa of suction power. They both so significantly outperform our $1500 Saros 10R with 18500Pa of suction power in vacuuming ability, that I now only use our Saros 10R as a mop while the two S8s each vacuum half of our house. Any model of Roborock S8 has good dual counter rotating rollers and good airflow. However, I do not like the mopping system on the S8s although they do mop very well. And this brings me to the topic of mopping. Rollers, vibrating pads and spinning mops all mop very well. While rollers probably do clean better, If one mops often, the difference is negligible as long as the floors have been thoroughly vacuumed first. Rollers need maintenance at least weekly or they will clog with hair, debris and gunk. This is not always easy depending on the model. Vibrating pads require complicated mechanisms in the dock for cleaning. These can get filled with hair and gunk and also require significant maintenance. For a robovac without a dock, they are great because the pads can just be thrown into the washer for easy cleaning. My favorite option is spinning mops, because the dock mechanism is simple and effective. About once per month, the mopping tray needs to be removed and separated into its three parts. These parts need to be rinsed in the sink and reinstalled. This process is quick and easy. This brings me to my best option for a recommendation. This is the Roborock Qrevo Master. It is the only model that combines the S8 vacuuming module with rear spinning mops. It has dual counter rotating rollers that do require about two minutes of easy maintenance once per week. It uses the rear spinning mops that its dock can clean and dry well without much maintenance, and it has a nicely automated dock. However, the dock is not as extensively automated as many newer, fancier models. But it has everything one needs. It is a very nice dock! The Qrevo Master has everything necessary for a thoroughly cleaned home. It skips all the gimics which will impress your friends and cost a lot, but will not get your home any cleaner. A robovac's primary function is vacuum cleaning. If it cannot vacuum clean very well, it is not useful to me. For this reason, I only ever recommend any model of S8 and the Qrevo Master. My personal choice is the Qrevo Master. Our Saros 10R was a very fancy, very expensive mistake. A Qrevo Master, which costs almost half as much as the Saros 10R would have served my needs much better! I hope this is helpful! LATER EDIT: Sorry I didn't add this to my original reply above, but I control all three of my Roborocks using Home Assistant. Use the Roborock integration, not Matter. Matter will only give you the most primitive basics: clean, pause, dock, etc. While the Roborock integration does not function quite how I want it to, it does work very well. For the time being, I created routines for all of my cleaning needs for my entire house within the Roborock app. These come into Home Assistant as entities I can use like a button. My favorite automation also includes Alexa through an input Boolean. I can tell Alexa to clean the house. This starts a Home Assistant automation that runs all three of my Roborocks simultaneously through the Roborock routines. Obviously, most robovacs return to their dock after finishing a routine. I use this to trigger the next steps in the automation and minimize downtime while avoiding traffic jams between robovacs. It works very well! In principal, one can replace the entire Roborock app within Home Assistant. I am working on putting this together right now, but it isn't that easy to do and requires a lot of bits and pieces. I am concerned that future firmware updates might mess with this too after I put a huge amount of effort into setting it up. In the meantime, using the Roborock integration with the Roborock routines and Home Assistant automations works very, very well! I can even see my robovacs running on a map, but there is a much bigger delay in location updating than with the Roborock app. I hope this helps!

With any robovac, huge amounts of hair can be a problem. If the dustbin, which is very small in a robovac, gets completely full, the robovac can no longer clean properly. If the dustbin gets completely full for any reason, one has to adjust one's cleaning strategy. The robovac needs to return to its dock often enough to empty the dustbin so it can keep working. This dustbin emptying frequency can be set per room or by a time interval. This means that when you first start to use a robovac, you will need to pause it frequently and check it's dustbin as it vacuums your home. If your robovac dustbin gets about 2/3rds full after cleaning each room, set the dustbin to empty after each room. If your dustbin gets about 2/3rds full every 15 minutes (adjust time as needed here), have it empty it's dustbin every 15 minutes. Obviously, a robovac is not a full sized, normal vacuum cleaner. They are very small machines with very small plastic parts and have very small dustbin. One cannot think of a robovac, and use a robovac, like one does a normal vacuum cleaner. Robovacs are frequent maintenance cleaning machines. They are not intended for cleaning once per week like a normal vacuum cleaner. They need to be run often. They require a different thought process and a different cleaning strategy. One learns this through experience. Often, completely full dustbins indicate that in order to use a robovac successfully, it needs to be run more frequently. Additionally, a robovac often vacuum cleans so well compared to many normal vacuum cleaners, that it will pick up hair and debris a normal vacuum cleaner has left behind for years. I refered to this as the cleaning backlog. When I started using our first robovac, our dustbins were completely choked full of hair and debris everytime I ran it. So I started running it every day. Our house has always been clean and this situation surprised me. After running the robovac on its highest suction setting through each room of our house every day for three weeks, I suddenly noticed noticed that my dustbins were only about 1/4 full rather than completely full. This was because the robovac had finally cleaned this backlog of hair and debris from our rugs and carpets. From here on out, I was able to reduce my suction settings and the frequency at which I cleaned. One thing to note is that robovacs are slow moving and their battery only lasts a certain amount of time. Ours can vacuum half of our home before needing to return to the dock to charge for two hours. We have several people with long hair, which is usually more difficult for a robovac to handle than pet hair, we have two cats that shed a lot, and lots of heavy, dirty foot traffic in our home. I use our robovacs to vacuum and mop our floors in our entire house at least three times per week, often even more than that. If you can develop a frequent cleaning strategy that takes advantage of your robovac's strengths and overcome its weaknesses, I am confident one of them can serve your well, even with a German Shepard! This will take you a while to learn how to do if you have never used a robovac before. Robovacs are very simple, primitive machines, even the very fancy, very expensive ones!!! They may be somewhat smart, but most of their intelligence will remain in your hands and cleaning strategy. They are not perfect and they cannot perform miracles. But they do work very well if one learns how to use their abilities and limitations to one's advantage. A robovac can only do 90-95% of the floor cleaning tasks that homes typically require. They cannot do everything. In the end, your success at using a robovac depends much more on you than the machine itself. I cannot stress this enough! Remember, there are no miracles here! I am confident that a Roborock Qrevo Master will serve you well! But with so much hair, you may have to maintain the rollers more frequently than once per week. Fortunately, this is an easy task. Depending on your results and the size of your home, you will probably be considering adding a second Qrevo Master within months after starting to use your first one. This is why I have three robovacs now. I hope all of this is helpful!

I cannot remember, offhand, many details about the S7's app module. Sorry! Most Roborocks with docks have the ability to change the emptying interval with a time setting, or they can be set to empty the dustbin after every room. Usually, one can also change the vacuuming intensity used by the dock to suck the debris out of the robovac. These settings should be in your dock settings if your S7 supports them. I hope this helps! Edit: Sorry I forgot to answer your questions completely. I use a pair of base model, charging dock only S8s to do all of my vacuuming. I also use a Saros 10R only for mopping because it cannot vacuum clean nearly as well as my cheap S8s. However, I repair robovacs as a side job and see several of them every week. It is fun and I have learned a tremendous amount from this experience over the last several years. I am constantly working on, or testing, robovacs of all kinds.

I am very sorry, but I do not recommend any robovacs other than any model of S8 and the Qrevo Master. This is based on my experience or lack thereof. There are so many different models that I cannot keep up with them. This does not mean the one you are interested in is bad. It just means I am not the right person to ask. I have very high confidence in the ones I recommend, very little confidence in others, and no experience with the rest. I hope you understand! In the end, no one can make your choice for you. I will tell you that I do not personally want to own the vast majority of robovac models made by any manufacturer.

Vacuum cleaning ability on rugs and carpets is the most important aspect of a robovac for me. I have a Saros 10R. It is a very mediocre vacuum clean no matter what settings are selected. I have other much cheaper robovacs that vacuum clean much better than the Saros 10R. If you need either fancy features, a fully automated dock and run the risk of having animal waste on the floor, I would consider a Saros 10 or 10R. They also excell at fitting under things because they are so thin. If vacuum cleaning rugs and carpets is of prime importance, I would stick with a Qrevo or S8. More specifically, I would stick with any model that has dual rubber rollers. One has to spend two minutes maintaining them after a large cleaning, but they do an excellent job. No amount of fancy, automated features, or a roller that automatically detangles hair, can make up for a mediocre vacuuming job on rugs and carpets. Avoid the split single rollers! Go for the dual rollers! If you only have hard floors without any rugs or carpets, almost and robovac will do a decent job and you have far more options! I hope this helps! I would much rather live without my Saros 10R (US$1500) than one of my S8s (US$350)!!!!!

I use a pair of base model, charging dock only, $350 S8s to do all of our vacuuming. They do an absolutely excellent job! We have a Saros 10R too. It is a terrible vacuum cleaner. I now only use it to mop. Otherwise it is very cool! But, who needs a vacuum cleaner that cannot vacuum well? The modern auto detangling rollers are great at auto detangling hair. But they are terrible for general purpose vacuum cleaning. They just do not kick up debris well. This applies equally to all manufacturers. The older style dual counter rotating rollers do a significantly better job at kicking up debris than the more modern and super popular auto detanglers. What a lot of nonsense we have all bought into! The pascal suction power numbers given in marketing material is all hype. It is completely meaningless. The ability to create a vacuum, measured in pascals, is easier when airflow is restricted. We wanted higher pascal numbers and all the manufacturers gave it to us! But, airflow is just what one needs to move debris kicked up by the rollers into the dustbin. The race towards super high pascal numbers has made a generation of terrible vacuum cleaners from all manufacturers. The auto detangling rollers make this situation even worse. Use your Saros as a mop. Get a cheap S8 or even an S7 for your vacuuming needs. You will be glad you did! If it is not too late to return your Saros, try a Qrevo Master instead. You will not get every bell and whistle you got with your Saros, but you will get the vacuuming ability of an S8 with the mopping ability of your Saros. The Qrevo Master is the only robovac of this kind in the entire Qrevo line. I hope this is helpful!

The reviewers almost always do the exact same thing as the manufacturers do for testing robovacs. They sprinkle cereal, coffee ground and other household powery stuff on various surfaces very loosely and gently. This is fast and easy to do, and makes a good video. But this is not a real world test. In the real world, this stuff gets well trampled into rugs, carpets and other flooring for several days before getting cleaned up. Vacuum Wars is very popular, but I lack faith in their testing procedure. Once again, suction power is absolutely meaningless. Our Roborock S8s have 6000Pa of suction power and our Roborock Saros 10R has 18500Pa of suction power. Our S8s so significantly outperform our Saros 10R when it comes to vacuuming, we only use the Saros 10R for mopping anymore. In this case, $350 S8s just vacuum clean much, much better than a $1500 Saros 10R. The higher the pascal suction power, the worse the airflow. These robovacs all use the same fan motors. The only way to increase suction power or vacuum pressure is to restrict the airflow. Only airflow will moves debris kicked up by the rollers into the dustbin, not the ability to create a vacuum. A vacuum chamber can have very high pascal vacuum pressure. But it does not clean floors. The market demands high vacuum pressure right now and manufacturers are delivering it at the cost of good vacuuming ability. I hope this is helpful!

If these other brands have auto detangling rollers, then they tend to have poor vacuuming ability. Most of the stuff I have already written in previous comments apply to all models and manufacturers. They all have terrible airflow but high vacuum pressure. Airflow is what makes the difference between a good and bad vacuum cleaner. However, some of these other brands do have very interesting mopping features. Some of the Eufys vacuum pretty well, but I find their older models without auto detangling rollers work better for me. I was disappointed by some of the Dreame robovacs just as I was with much of the Qrevo line and both Saros models when it comes to vacuuming. But the X50's ability to climb thresholds is very impressive. I have not yet had the opportunity to work on a Mova so I cannot tell you anything about them. Essentially, in the end, all models from all of manufacturers are about the same. They all use either the same or very similar off-the-shelf internal parts made by third party vendors. If you look up these parts on AliExpress, they are super cheap. Most of them seem of very low quality, but they do seem to work reasonably well. Robovacs are very simple, very primitive machines with very limiting electronics, little memory and just barely enough computing power to get the job done. No matter how fancy and expensive a robovac is, you cannot expect miracles, it will absolutely not be perfect, and you will have to compromise!!! The "best" robovac is an interesting concept, but I do not think it exists at any price!!! No matter who the manufacture a robovac, the repair rates on robovacs must be very, very high. But this is an entirely new topic. I sure seem to repair a lot of them! Because everything is so similar across the industry, there are only two robovacs I feel comfortable recommending at all. These are the Roborock S8 as an inexpensive, charging dock only model, and a Roborock Qrevo Master for a fancier model. Both are excellent cleaning machines. This does not mean other models are necessarily bad. It is just that nothing about them stands out to me that is worthy of a recommendation at the price at which they are offered. I just lump them into the category of just another variation of the same old thing. Good luck!

Yes, laminate is not real wood, and I can mop as often as I want. It is very different than hardwood floors. The ability to follow floor directions came within the last two generations of robovacs. Both my Roborock S8s and my Saros 10R have this setting. Other robovacs from other manufacturers also have this setting. Not all do, but it is no longer uncommon.

No robovac without a mopping function is worth buying anymore. You will be better off with a robovac that has a mopping function that you do not use. Only the cheapest robovacs that typically do not perform well come without a mopping function. Any robovac worth considering for vacuuming purposes only will also have a mopping function. There are some exceptions, but these usually have other problems. It sounds like you have a small home. Perhaps you do not even need an automated dock with such a small home. A Roborock S8 makes an excellent vacuum cleaner on any surface. It also has very good navigation and obstacle avoidance. You could get fantastic performance for around $350, and just a little bit more if you want a dock that automatically empties the dustbin. This would be the Roborock S8+, which currently costs under $400. I run two of the charging dock only (no auto dustbin emptying) S8s in our house. Each one does half the house. They do a fantastic job vacuuming on rugs, carpets and hard floor. We have people with long hair, cats, a litter box and a lot of heavy, dirty foot traffic. There two S8s get a workout every week and just keep performing very, very well. I have tried many newer, fancier, more automated robovacs, but so far, non have performed as well as our two S8s. We can't live without them anymore!

I much prefer very specifically selected charging dock only robovacs for vacuuming. They do a better job than any $1500 model from any manufacturer specifically in the area of vacuuming. The two minutes it takes me to maintain my rollers and empty the dustbin with a good dual counter rotating roller system just plain vacuums better with 5000-6000Pa of suction power. All the high pascal suction numbers nonsense is just marketing hype. What a good vacuum cleaner needs is good rollers and great airflow. Auto detangling rollers by any manufacturer do not kick up debris as well as the slightly older style dual counter rotating rollers. Robovacs almost always use either the same, or very similar, internal parts. The same vacuum fan can be found in models with 2000Pa or 20,000Pa of suction power. The only remaining way to create 20,000Pa of suction power, or vacuum pressure, is to restrict airflow. One cannot maintain a vacuum with good airflow. And airflow is exactly what is needed for good vacuuming ability! I use a pair of $350 charging dock only Roborock S8s for all of my vacuuming. After I got the first one, I got a Roborock Saros 10R because my first S8 was so impressive. The Saros 10R mops very well, and the fancy automated dock is pretty cool. But the vacuuming ability of the $1500 Saros 10R was so poor compared to my S8s, the I only use the Saros 10R for mopping. I got a second S8, and now each of them vacuums half of my house. The Saros 10R follows this up with mopping. This works very, very well! However, the S8s mop just as well as the Saros 10R. After mopping with the S8s, I just remove the mop pads and throw them in the washer with any load of laundry. This gets the pads cleaner than any dock can manage. I just have a pile of clean mop pads to reinstall on the robovac every time I need to mop. I can easily live without my Roborock Saros 10R. Loosing one of my S8s would be traumatic! In my opinion, two cheap robovacs that vacuum and mop well beat any $1500 robovac. My house is much cleaner than with any $1500 model, and I never have to wait for a robovac to recharge halfway through their cleaning job. Additionally, two cheap robovacs that work well cost less than half of one fancy robovac. To sum up all this nonsense, I completely agree with you! I'll take a second cheap model over a dock any day!

I love the S8s for their vacuuming ability. Both the S7s and S8s vacuum very well! Both also mop well. What I don't like is the mechanism in the dock to wash the mops. It is complicated and requires too much maintenance. Without good, frequent maintenance, the S8's mop cleaning mechanism will fill up with mud, hair and debris and can clog. The same is true for the mechanism for washing the mops in the S7's dock. Because of how simple the dock mechanism is with spinning mops, like in the dock of your Saros 10R, I prefer spinning mops. The dock mechanism is effective and requires little maintenance. If one vacuums thoroughly first and then mops, at least three times per week, all mopping systems perform well. For me, this suggests looking for a robovac with the vacuuming system of an S7 or S8 with the spinning mops of the Saros 10R. I also like extendible side brushes and rear mops for better edge cleaning against walls. The only robovac that offers this ideal combination is a Roborock Qrevo Master. Three or four weeks ago, one could get a Qrevo Master for about $800. Then, with Prime Days, these became either unavailable, or only available at an outrageous price. At this point, the Qrevo Master does seem to be available again, but the price seems to have settled at $1300. I do not know why it suddenly became $500 more expensive. Unfortunately, this leaves me with nothing left to recommend for a robovac that vacuums and mops very well. I am sorry! This situation is very disappointing for me because I was ready to upgrade to a Qrevo Master from our own Saros 10R when all of this nonsense happened. You will have to look elsewhere for help and a good recommendation. I wish I could do more!

First of all, all robovacs are very cheaply made with plastic parts manufactured by other companies. Robovac manufacturers just buy these parts and install them in their products. They are not built to be durable at all. They have just enough computing power and memory to get the job done. Most of us still buy them and love them! They are not miracle machines. They are not perfect. They all have strengths and weaknesses. You success with any robovac is dependant on how you use their strengths to your advantage and overcome their weemaknesses. This is not hard to do with a little bit of experience. No robovac can do everything. They can do 90-95% of the floor cleaning job. The rest is still up to you. But, that is a lot! Any Roborock S8 vacuums very, very well. It is almost impossible to find a model that vacuums better, especially on rugs and carpets. Vacuuming ability is it's single best feature. This comes at a slight cost. Once per week, you have to remove the rollers, pull of their ends, and remove the hair that gets wound up around them. This is an easy, two minute job. Any model of S8 navigates and avoids obstacles very well. They usually do this much better than cheaper models, but there are many similarly priced models that do just as well. S8s also mop very well. The biggest downside to an S8 with an automated dock is the mechanism the dock uses to clean the mops. It is complicated and requires enough maintenance to keep it from filling up with gunk and debris until it clogs. Cleaning this mechanism is more difficult and time consuming than with models that use spinning mops. This is the only thing I do not like about S8 models with automated docks. I love my S8s and would not trade them in for anything else currently available. So, you have a choice. You can select a model that does not vacuum clean as well, but requires less maintenance of the mop cleaning mechanism and rollers. Or you can choose a robovac that vacuums very, very well and requires more maintenance. The S8 you have selected, vacuums very, very well but has some maintenance that is not always easy to do on the dock. The roller maintenance is very quick and easy. Or you can select any model with auto detangling rollers and spinning mops. Any model with auto detangling rollers does a great job auto detangling hair from the rollers. But these rollers do not work nearly as well as the older style found on the S8. But the docks are super quick and easy to clean, and this is not required very often. All mopping systems work very well as long as your floors get thoroughly vacuumed first before they are mopped, and you vacuum and mop at least three times or more per week. No robovac is a deep cleaning machine. They need to be run often to be effective - at least three times per week. With any robovac you choose, a home must be adapted to the robovac. The robovac cannot adapt to your home. If you have rugs or furniture that are not robovac friendly, these will have to be adapted or replaced, or you will have to create no-go zones that the robovac will avoid and you will have to clean these areas yourself. This seems counter productive to me. We all have to go through this, but it is worth the effort! Now you know everything I can tell you about the current state of the robovac industry in relation to the S8. I hope this is helpful!

It is really hard to beat a Roborock S8. The base model is still on sale right now if you move quickly. It vacuums like a beast, mops well if you choose to use this feature, it has a charging dock only, and it has a very good navigation and obstacle avoidance system. It is hard to find a robovac that vacuums better at any price. Just make sure it's profile is low enough for your purposes.

Wow! You are right! They are gone! I was just thinking of adding a third one to my collection just two days ago. That is really sad! Now it looks like Roborock doesn't make any model that lives up to my vacuuming standards. Sorry! If any S7s are still available this would be my next choice.

Ah ha! I found an S8 with just a charging dock! https://a.co/d/600BAxH

I have repaired several S5s, but I have never tried my very simple vacuuming test with them. I should have! It is bad to make assumptions! All I can tell you is that my two S8s vacuum fantastically well, especially on rugs and carpets. They are my benchmarks for testing other robovacs. I have a newly repaired robovac vacuum our three carpeted bedrooms on its highest setting. When it is done, I do the same thing with one of our S8s right afterwards. The S8s always come back with far more in their dustbins than any robovac I send in first. I have even tried this in reverse. The S8s come back with full dustbins and the newly repaired robovac comes back almost empty. I did buy a very expensive, very fancy Roborock Saros 10R. This was a terrible mistake. The S8s just vacuum better. Now the Saros 10R just mops. I hope you find something that meets your needs! Sorry I couldn't help!

Get a basic, charging dock only Roborock S8 for $350. It is a really fantastic vacuum cleaner that can also mop if you choose to use this feature. But you can remove the mop plate entirely if you don't want to use it. It also navigates well and has an excellent app. You will still have to maintain your rollers, but probably far less frequently than you have been with your old one. It takes me about two minutes per week total.it is very easy! I got a basic, charging dock only $350 S8 and absolutely love it. Then I bought into the marketing hype and bought a $1500 Roborock Saros 10R. It is super cool, but it is a poor vacuum cleaner in comparison to the S8. As a result, the 10R has become a very fancy, expensive mop, and I bought a second $350 S8 in order to split the vacuuming tasks in our home between them. This setup is fantastic! I love our S8s!!! I will add a quick tip. Get at least one spare air filter for any robovac you buy. Use two of them in rotation. When one gets dirty, put another clean, thoroughly dry air filter into the dustbin. Rinse the dirty one under hot tap water thoroughly from both sides. Set it aside to dry for at least 48 hours before reusing it.

Get a plain old charging dock only S8. It is an excellent vacuum cleaner because it has excellent airflow. Pascal suction numbers are meaningless. Airflow is what is important for excellent vacuuming ability. I use two of them to vacuum our whole house even though I have a $1500 super robovac also. The S8s are vacuuming beasts! Carpets, rugs, hard floors, hair, cat litter, debris and dust, etc! You can't beat a good, simple Roborock S8! On top of that, you get a great app, excellent navigation and good obstacle avoidance. Both of mine have very high milage at this point too and have been super reliable. I only use them for vacuuming. I have tried to find something fancier and newer, but, so far, I have not found anything that can come close to competing with their vacuuming ability. They also mop very well, but I no longer use this function. Just remove the mop plate and now they are vacuum only. I have a Roborock Saros 10R that does all my mopping. I never use it to vacuum because the S8s perform so much better. An S8 will outperform anything in the Q line from Roborock. It climbs thresholds well, navigates better and is just an overall performer because it comes from a higher quality line of products. You can still find them for about $350 on Amazon if you hurry. I promise you that you will not be disappointed! If you want to hear my big long spiel on why it vacuums better, I can send it to you. But I think folks around here are sick of me explaining it all the time. I hope this helps!

The S8 has a nice big dustbin. That contributes significantly to it's excellent airflow. I didn't want mopping either when I bought our first S8. After repairing and subsequently testing hundreds of robovacs over the last several years, it is still my favorite vacuum cleaner. When someone is looking for excellent vacuuming ability, it is still the best recommendation I can make by far. It does mop well too. As I already said, I remove the mop plate and do not use this function. What it doesn't have is an ideal system for mopping. If someone is also looking for a good mopping system, there is another robovac that I recommend. Nevertheless, even with an unnecessary mopping system, it is extremely difficult to find a robovac that vacuums better. It also has a really fantastic navigation and obstacle avoidance system that is far superior to any vacuum only robovac that I have experience with. Add on its good threshold climbing ability and you have something that is really hard to beat at almost any price point. I certainly understand why people choose other robovacs. The S8 is not the newest, latest model. It just has key features that are fantastic in a base model vacuum cleaner, and many lower end models like the ones in the Q line can't match them. Were you able to see them operate side by side, you would instantly see the difference. I see these differences often. Several models in the Q line are really pretty good. I still prefer the S8s No robovac is perfect. They all have strengths and weaknesses we can't see until we buy one. All I am trying to say is that if one doesn't care about mopping, but one still wants an excellent vacuum cleaner the S8 is really, really hard to beat for many reasons. After trying many, many robovacs, it still remains the choice I would make today for specifically this reason. In the end, we all gets lots of different recommendations and end up having to make a choice. I am sure you will find something that works well for you. I hope you love it and it serves you well!

For a lower priced robovac, I always recommend a base model, charging dock only $350 Roborock S8. The reason for this is it's excellent vacuuming ability. It does have a basic mopping feature, but you don't have to use it. It does, however, mop very well. Birdseed is outside of my specific area of understanding. This is a new question for me. But we get a lot of cat litter scattered throughout our house every day and I can't see that as being too much different. Our two S8s handle this like champs! It is hard to find a robovac that vacuums as well as any model of S8 from any manufacturer. Especially the newer, fancier, fully automated, really expensive robovacs do not vacuum as well. There are a lot of very specific reasons for this claim and I do not want to bore you with details. If you reply and ask for them, I will gladly give them to you. It will be a very long reply! If you shop on Amazon, it could very well be that the price has gone back up to $400 until Prime Days from July 8-11. Just wait and you will save some money. I hope you are able to find something that works very well for you!

The Alexa stuff you requested is also possible. However, you cannot do it directly through Alexa. Right now, no manufacturer allows this. I use Home Assistant and use Alexa as a voice command front end. Through the Roborock integration in Home Assistant, I can expose any of my Roborock routines to Alexa. In the Alexa app, these show up as scenes. From here, I can create voice commands to run each of my routines just like with any device. My three robovacs are named S81, S82 and 10R. Some examples of voice commands I have created for Alexa are as follows: Alexa, vacuum the hallway with s eighty one Alexa, vacuum the back rooms with s eighty two Alexa, vacuum the living room with s eighty one Alexa, mop the house with ten r Alexa, mop the kitchen with ten r Using Home Assistant, I have also created an automation that I can also expose to Alexa as a scene. When I say, "Alexa, clean the house," this triggers the Home Assistant automation to run all three of the robovacs simultaneously while avoiding traffic jams in constricted areas. This will first vacuum our entire house, and then it will mop all of our hard floors. It is fascinating to watch! However, none of this is possible using only the Alexa system. It is only possible through the use of Home Assistant. Please note that Home Assistant is extremely powerful and very complex - far more so than any other smart home system!!! It is very difficult and time consuming to learn how to use it. No other system currently available can do what Home Assistant makes possible. I hope all of this is helpful!

Our basic $350 charging dock only Roborock S8 does a great job with cat litter. I have ours set up through Home Assistant with our Litter Robot. 30 minutes after the Litter Robot signals that it has been used, our robovac automatically vacuums our laundry room where the Litter Robot is kept. It works great!

No. But our S8s (we have two) do a great job on carpet!!! This is specifically why we have them.

All S8s are vacuuming beasts. Almost nothing available for any price right now can beat them. If yours isn't doing the job well, it must have something wrong with it. Make sure your dustbins are not getting completely full before emptying them. About 2/3rds full is about as far as one should go. If they are getting fuller then that, you may not be vacuuming often enough. Use multiple air filters in rotation. After every big vacuuming job, remove the dirty air filter and rinse it thoroughly from both sides using hot tap water. Sometimes a small medium bristled nylon brush can help dig the hair and dirt out of the air filter crevasses. Set the wet air filter aside for at least 48 hours until it is thoroughly dry before reusing it. Install another clean, thoroughly dry air filter in your dustbin and you are ready to roll. The next time, you just swap your two filters again. Make sure there is nothing caught under your rollers blocking the channel into the dustbin. Make sure you remove the rollers, pull off their ends and remove the wound up hair from them often. This needs to be done at least weekly if not more often. If you have access to an air compressor, remove your dustbin and use the air compressor to blow into the robovac's vacuum exhaust grate from the outside edge of the robovac into the area where the dustbin sits. Dust bunnies build up behind the exhaust grate and plug up the system. Something is blocking your airflow during vacuuming. The stuff I listed above are the most likely culprits. All robovacs need proper maintenance in order to function properly. A vacuum cleaner that can't breath can't vacuum clean! You can do all of this stuff on both of your S8s. It is not that hard to do. I do all of this stuff often with my two S8s. They just keep performing very, very well! Both of them are base model, charging dock only S8s. They significantly outperform my Saros 10R when it comes to vacuuming! I hope this helps!

Nothing, no matter how fancy or how expensive, will avoid cat vomit. Unlike other pet waste, it is simply too small for anything to see. No robovac is perfect or anywhere near perfect!!! No robovac has perfect obstacle avoidance. The best one can hope for is that it will avoid obstacles most of the time. Otherwise, both have very good obstacle avoidance, but the Saros 10R is better in this area. The Saros 10R is better in every single way except for vacuuming ability on rugs and carpets. But I cannot recommend the mopping system on the S8 - it takes too much maintenance. All I can say to clarify this is that I use a pair of $350, charging dock only, base model S8s for all of our vacuuming. When that is done, our Saros 10R does all the mopping. I was so impressed with our first S8 that I bought the Saros 10R. It is really impressive, but it is a terrible vacuum cleaner on rugs and carpets. So I bought another S8 to share the load with our first one. Currently, you cannot find a robovac from any manufacturer with better or even comparable vacuuming ability to an S8 on rugs and carpets. Hard floors are easy and almost all robovacs do a decent job. For everything else, the Saros 10R is the champion. The only thing I do not like about the S8 is the mechanism required to clean the mops in the dock. It is too complicated and requires too much maintenance. It does mop well. Otherwise, you will be extremely pleased with an S8. It is an excellent, reliable, workhorse of a machine! The dock maintenance is not too terrible to do and one doesn't have to do it often, but about once per month, it must be done! There are just better, easier systems available like spinning mops. I can easily live without our Saros 10R. Loosing an S8 would be tragic! But I no longer use ours to mop. I hope this helps!

Is there anything that scores as well as an S8 on your carpet pickup vacuuming test? I would like to replace my high milage S8s but never do so because I am always disappointed with the vacuuming ability on carpets. Many of the other features I can live without as long as they vacuum clean rugs and carpets really well. Along side the vacuuming ability, threshold ckimbing ability at least similar to what an S8 can do is also very impirtant. I currently run a pair of $350, charging dock only, base model S8s and love them. I would love to get something fancy, like our Saros 10R, but I need the vacuuming ability of these two little beasts! This, the Saros 10R can certainly not deliver. Thank you!

I repair robovacs as a side job and see lots of different models. Unfortunately, these are mostly higher end models over a year old after their warranties expire, mainly because cheaper robovacs are not worth bringing to a guy like me to repair. It is unusual for me to see the lastest robovac models until at least a year after they come out. Since almost all robovacs do at least a decent job on hard floors, I don't bother testing this. And my tests are very primitive compared to your very extensive ones. Since our house gets very dirty very quickly, my standard post repair test is to send a test robovac through our three carpeted bedrooms on its highest suction setting. Once the test robovac is done, I send in one of our own S8s on its highest suction setting immediately afterwards, when the carpets should already be clean. Then I compare the results of the contents of the two dustbins. These results are always the same, but interesting nevertheless. The S8 that went second almost always has four to five times as much hair and debris in it's dustbin than the test robovac. I have never tested a robovac that came back with more debris than my S8s. Just to ensure that the S8s don't have some kind of weird, unexpected advantage by going second, I have also tried sending in one S8 followed by our second S8. In this situation, the first one has a nice, full dustbin and the second one is almost empty. The only robovacs that come anywhere near the performance of our S8s are the S7s and robovacs that are essentially similar in design with solid, single, rubber rollers. I have checked my notes, and it seems I have never repaired a Q5 or Q5+. I have repaired several Roomba S9s, but this was before I started performing this particular post surgery test. Both of our S8s are baseline, charging dock only models. We have a Saros 10R, but it is a terrible vacuum cleaner on rugs and carpets. It does mop well. I have never seen any robovac with auto detangling rollers and pascal vacuum pressure higher than about 10,000Pa vacuum well on rugs and carpets. The ones that seem to do the best usually create 6,000Pa of vacuum pressure or less, and have solid rubber rollers. My dream robovac is a Saros 10R with an S8 vacuuming module that vacuums at least as well as one of our $350 S8s. I do not mind roller maintenance at all as long as the machine vacuums very well. I don't think anyone is ever going to build the robovac I want, and this has me considering buying another $350 S8 as a spare for when I can no longer repair the ones I have. It currently seems pointless to me to replace our two aging, high milage S8s with anything, but I would certainly like to do so. Thank you for the information! I really appreciate it! I will dive back into it again now. I had one afterthought. Your test results with the 10R really surprise me! I have had two 10Rs because the dock on the first one failed after six weeks and was replaced under warranty. Both performed the same. Both 10Rs vacuumed very poorly on any surface compared to my two S8s. They do ok on hard floors, but they are just terrible on any rug or carpet and leave a lot of clearly visible debris behind, even after several passes on their highest suction setting. I wonder if this is because our floors constantly get trampled on by lots of people in heavy boots and the debris gets ground into the flooring. Your tests seem to indicate that a 10R would make a decent choice for me. I do not know what to make of this.

There is no best robovac. There are no miracle machines. They all have strengths and significant weaknesses. How well we learn to use their strengths to our advantage and overcome their weaknesses plays an important part in our success with any robovac. But, we all still want and love them! All robovacs, no matter how fancy and expensive, are made with cheap plastic parts. They are not built to be durable at all. They have just enough computing power and memory to get the job done. This applies to all manufacturers. A $1500 robovac only has $150 worth of cheap parts in it, just like our cell phones. They can only do 90-95% of the floor cleaning job. The rest is always up to us. All robovacs with auto detangling rollers and over about 10KPa of suction power vacuum poorly, especially on rugs and carpets, compared to the previous two generations of robovacs. But they do navigate, avoid obstacles, auto detangle hair, and mop very well. What this means is that the more convenient and maintenance free a robovac is, the poorer it vacuums. This is the current reality of the industry. We have collectively selected convenience and laziness over performance, and the market has responded accordingly. It would be very helpful if you describe your needs a bit more. Do you have hard floors, rugs, carpets, tall thresholds, multiple floors, pets and people with long hair, etc. This would be very helpful in making a recommendation that may address your specific needs. Since you specifically mention mopping ability as important to you I will mention that good mopping depends almost entirely on good vacuuming ability. If your floors have been thoroughly vacuumed first, all current mopping systems work well if floors are vacuumed first and then mopped very often. Most current mopping systems do not pick anything up from the floor. They just wipe the surface with a damp pad. Mopping with any robovac is more like adding a shine and finish rather than a deep cleaning. No robovac is good at big messes yet, and they are usually best cleaned up ourselves. One thing of note is that since all mopping sustems perform well and are dependant on good vacuuming, how the mops are cleaned becomes the biggest factor. Spinning mops require a very simple, easy to maintain and low maintenance mechanism that is very effective to clean the mops. Both vibrating pads and roller mop systems require more complicated mechanisms. I don't like the ones for vibrating pads. They require the most maintenance. Roller mops are the way of the future. In a year or two, all robovacs will use roller mops or something similar in my opinion. But current roller mop systems have not convinced me yet. For the time being, I prefer spinning mops. Just keep in mind, that if your priority is vacuuming ability, like mine is, you need to look back at older, simpler robovacs that require a bit more weekly maintenance. It is not all that time consuming or difficult, but it does have to get done. This is the cost of good vacuuming performance, and ultimately leads to good mopping performance. I use a pair of $350, base model, charging dock only Roborock S8s for all of my vacuuming. Each one does half of our house. I do this because they vacuum very, very well, especially on rugs and carpets. I also have a Roborock Saros 10R. It is very impressive in so many ways, and it mops very well. But it is a terrible vacuum cleaner compared to my S8s. I only use it to vacuum our garage floor because I don't care about it as much as the rest of the house. Otherwise, it is a very fancy, very expensive mop. The reasons it vacuums so poorly are described above. I hope this helps!

Coming from an S7, which vacuums very well, you will be disappointed with the vacuuming performance of any newer robovac from any manufacturer with auto detangling rollers. This includes that Saros 10R. Auto detangling rollers are great at auto detangeling hair, but they are terrible for vacuuming on rugs and carpets. They do better on hard floors. I bought a charging dock only, $350 S8 and was so amazed at its performance that I bought a Saros10R. I was so unimpressed with the Saros 10R's vacuuming ability after our S8 that I bought a second $350 S8. Now our S8s each vacuum half of our house. I only use the Saros 10R to vacuum our garage floor and under a pair of dressers that the S8s do not fit under. It has become increasingly dirty under these dressers, because they are on rugs, even though they get vacuumed three times per week. Otherwise, the Saror 10R is a very fancy, very expensive mop that follows up after the S8s get done. The Saros 10R is very impressive in all areas except for vacuuming. For me it was a very expensive mistake. I am not singling out Roborock here. This applies equally to all manufacturers. With the current state of the robovac industry, you have a choice between convenience and low maintenance with poor vacuuming ability, or you can select good vacuuming ability with more maintenance. There are no other options. If there were, I would have bought one by now. Personally, although I am a Roborock fan, I am going to see how the new Mova V50 plays out over the coming months. If it proves to vacuum well and is reliable, it may very well be my next robovac. Right now it is far too new to trust. In October, I am going to revisit it and make a decision. I hope this helps!

I feel the same way about my S8s. That is why I bought our Saros 10R. That was a $1500 mistake for me! Low maintenance - yes, clean house - not by a long shot! I hope you find something that works well for you!

When I got my first robovac, I was amazed. We still use it every other day, but now we have three of them. The first one was an excellent tool to help me learn what a robovac can and cannot do. This was very helpful! Our first robovacs also made me a better housekeeper. I was so impressed with the robovac and what it was capable of achieving, and I wanted it to succeed in its mission. So I started picking things up and putting them away. Our first robovac succeeded so well that it directly led to what we call the Great Purge of 2024. Our house was filled with so much stuff that we had not used in years, even decades. It seriously irked my wife, but over two months, we got rid of over 60%, maybe even 70%, of all of the stuff we owned. It was all donated, given away to taken to the dump. It was a huge effort! We, including my wife, are so glad we did it! Our house now has room to breathe, and it is super easy for me to maintain! Woohoo! With five dogs, any robovac you get is going to struggle. It will struggle a lot! I think you need a new strategy. This is just a suggestion for you to do with what you will. Rather than a single fancy robovac with automated everything and little maintenance, I think the only way for you to be successful with so much hair is to aim for two robovacs that you can run together to tackle this issue. You need something that can vacuum very, very well and that leaves you with very limited options in the current market. I am not even considering mopping or any other function. You also need something with a very large dustbin or your robovac and dock will constantly clog. With all that hair, it seems like auto detangling rollers would be ideal. The problem is that robovacs with auto detangling rollers can't vacuum nearly as well as the previous two generations of robovacs. With all that hair, a robovac that can't vacuum very, very well is not useful no matter how much hair it can automatically detangle. So, I suggest you spend $350 on a basic, charging dock only Roborock S8 and handle the maintenance yourself. This means emptying the dustbin after every vacuuming task. This is quick and easy to do. With the amount of hair you are facing, you will have to remove the rollers, pull off their ends and remove the wound up hair that collects around them every single time you vacuum. This is also an easy, two minute job. You are going to need multiple air filters to use in rotation. Especially at the beginning, when you robovac has to chew through a huge backlog of hair, dust, dirt and debris, you are going to need to rotate these air filter often! Maybe every or every other time your robovac runs. This involves removing the dirty air filter, rinsing it under hot tap water, using a small nylon brush to very gently dig out the gunk and fuzz from your air filter and setting it aside for at least 48 hours until it is thoroughly dry. All together, this is less than ten minutes of effort. Compared to the time it takes to vacuum, this will still save you a lot of time. You will need to vacuum often. Very often! At a minimum three or four times a week. Maybe daily! At the beginning, it will be twice daily until you get through the backlog of old hair, dirt, dust and debris. This will take several weeks! But your home will end up much cleaner than it has ever been. So, I suggest you get a $350 S8, not anything fancier because all that hair will just clog any automated dock. The S8 has excellent navigation and obstacle avoidance. I cannot come up with any other model that is currently available that stands a chance. But I think a basic S8 can eventually succeed. If it does, get a second one to share the load. Don't even worry about mopping until you have overcome the vacuuming part of this equation. Set the S8 to its maximum suction power and turn it loose. Empty the dustbin after every room. Empty it twice per room if necessary. When the battery dies and the robovac goes back to the dock to recharge, let it recharge and fire it up again. The hair backlog is going to be a challenge that takes several weeks to overcome. After that, things will go much more smoothly and life will become much easierr for you in many ways, including robovac maintenance. This is all just a suggestion. It is the only thing I think will work for your situation. You will have to pick up the stuff on your floors. But, after a couple of weeks, when you see the results, you are going to be so very glad you want through all of it!!! It will seem like you are living in an entirely different home! Then, if you want, you will be ready to take on robomopping. I hope this helps! I wish you lots of luck!

Long or high pile carpets are a problem. We all end up having to adapt our homes to a robovac rather than the other way around. The only alternative is cleaning our floors ourselves. Sorry! The only thing I can recommend is to try a $350 charging dock only, basic Roborock S8 or S8+. It is the last remaining rug and carpet king. All of the newer models with auto detangling rollers perform much, much worse on carpets. All of the others that did do well have been discontinued in favor of laziness, convenience and automation. If an S8 can't do the job well, it is likely nothing else can. I will not recommend a fancier S8 because of the mechanism required by the docks to clean the mop. It is too complicated and requires too much maintenance. I still use a pair of these $350 S8s to vacuum our entire house with medium pile carpets and several large rugs. They do an excellent job and they have very good navigation and obstacle avoidance. Our $1500 Roborock Saros 10R does a terrible job. So, it does all the mopping instead. Since I keep getting reminded about this, I will mention that the Dyson robovac also does an excellent job vacuuming rugs and carpets. But otherwise it is terrible. I cannot recommend it at all. Good luck! I hope this helps!

Any Roborock with spinning mops and an automated dock will provide a wonderful mopping upgrade. An S8 would be great for vacuuming your rugs and carpets, but the mechanism used in the dock to clean the mops requires maintenance or it will clog with debris and gunk. The vibrating pads do mop well. However, due to the maintenance required, I cannot recommend anything with this mopping system since the spinning mops came out. I also cannot recommend anything with auto detangling rollers because your S5 is no vacuuming slouch. Anything with auto detangling rollers will not vacuum rugs and carpets as nearly as well as your S5. You will be disappointed with the results. This doesn't leave me with much to recommend. Since I am in the same boat and have been looking around myself, I put high hopes in the new Mova V50. Everything about it seems great, just like the Saros 10R I bought earlier this year. It was a complete disappointment in the vacuum department. Everything else is great! I just don't need another terrible vacuum cleaner. It now serves only to mop. I have read many accounts of poor vacuuming ability from the Mova V50, so now I don't know where to turn. Personally I am disappointed in the entire industry in the vacuuming department right now. I hope in six months manufacturers will remember that we care about vacuuming ability just as much as convenience and they will start to produce robovacs that can vacuum rugs and carpets properly again. Sorry! I wish I could help you more! Good luck!

Well, that would probably do the trick for me. For $350, my two S8s are very hard to beat! But, improving on the lack of performance from our Saros 10R on rugs and carpets would certainly be great! If a Mova V50 can do 80% as well as our cheap S8s I would be pleased! After all, everyone needs two S8s, a Saros 10R and a nice, new pair of Mova V50s, right? I wonder when manufacturers will realize that vacuuming ability is the one thing they have to get really, really right or the whole thing is pointless? I guess it will happen when people stop buying convenience over performance, and that isn't likely!

Please excuse me for copying and pasting from another comment I typed out earlier today. I cannot type this all out again today. I hope you find it useful! Robomopping is fairly easy, so I will get back to that later. Excellent vacuuming ability is the biggest challenge. Everyone wants auto detangling rollers nowadays. Auto detangling rollers work great for auto detangling hair. And they require almost no maintenance. But if one wants excellent vacuuming ability,  one should avoid them. Dual counter rotating solid rubber rollers kick up debris much, much better than the auto detangling rollers do. These are usually found on the previous generation of robovacs rather than the newest models. The market demands auto detangling rollers and the manufacturers deliver what people want. Everyone is looking for astronomical pascal suction numbers thinking this will make their robovac vacuum better. Vacuum pressure is measured in pascals, and this is what these numbers refer to. A vacuum chamber can have super high vacuum pressure, but it will never move any debris anywhere. Vacuum pressure helps a little bit, but it is actually airflow that moves debris kicked up by the rollers into the dustbin. In order to vacuum well, a vacuum cleaner needs excellent airflow.  No manufacturer gives any information about airflow at all because all of their latest models and flagships would look terrible to buyers. This is because the easiest way to deliver the super high pascal suction numbers the market currently demands is to restrict airflow. Here, the link between high pascal numbers and low airflow suddenly becomes very clear.  Robovacs all use either the same or very similar internal parts. These parts are all very cheap, off-the-shelf parts made by third party manufacturers. You can see this yourself by searching for parts for your favorite robovac on AliExpress. Robovac manufacturers buy these parts and install them in their products. It is surprising how cheap the parts are in very expensive robovacs! If they are all using the same or similar parts, there is only one remaining way to increase vacuum pressure - decrease airflow. The result is decreased vacuuming ability. Robovacs with dual counter rotating rollers and good airflow vacuum much much better than any newer model currently available. This comes at a cost.  Better vacuuming ability requires two minutes of weekly maintenance that the newer models with poor vacuuming ability will spare you. You have to remove the rollers, pull off their ends, and remove the wound up hair that collects around them. If you want excellent vacuuming ability,  these two minutes of maintenace are required. All of the above applies to all robovac manufacturers equally. My favorite robovacs for vacuuming ability are any of the models in the Roborock S8 line. Every one of these vacuums very, very well. I have a pair of $350 base model, charging dock only S8s with 6000Pa of suction power. They both so significantly outperform our $1500 Saros 10R with 18500Pa of suction power in vacuuming ability, that I now only use our Saros 10R as a mop while the two S8s each vacuum half of our house. Any model of Roborock S8 has good dual counter rotating rollers and good airflow.  However, I do not like the mopping system on the S8s although they do mop very well. And this brings me to the topic of mopping. Rollers, vibrating pads and spinning mops all mop very well. While rollers probably do clean better, If one mops often, the difference is negligible as long as the floors have been thoroughly vacuumed first. Rollers need maintenance at least weekly or they will clog with hair, debris and gunk. This is not always easy depending on the model. Vibrating pads require complicated mechanisms in the dock for cleaning. These can get filled with hair and gunk and also require significant maintenance. For a robovac without a dock, they are great because the pads can just be thrown into the washer for easy cleaning. My favorite option is spinning mops, because the dock mechanism is simple and effective. About once per month, the mopping tray needs to be removed and separated into its three parts. These parts need to be rinsed in the sink and reinstalled. This process is quick and easy. This brings me to my best option for a recommendation. This is the Roborock Qrevo Master. It is the only model that combines the S8 vacuuming module with rear spinning mops. It has dual counter rotating rollers that do require about two minutes of easy maintenance once per week. It uses the rear spinning mops that its dock can clean and dry well without much maintenance, and it has a nicely automated dock. However, the dock is not as extensively automated as many newer, fancier models. But it has everything one needs. It is a very nice dock! The Qrevo Master has everything necessary for a thoroughly cleaned home. It skips all the gimics which will impress your friends and cost a lot, but will not get your home any cleaner. A robovac's primary function is vacuum cleaning. If it cannot vacuum clean very well, it is not useful to me. For this reason, I only ever recommend any model of S8 and the Qrevo Master. My personal choice is the Qrevo Master. Our Saros 10R was a very fancy, very expensive mistake. A Qrevo Master, which costs almost half as much as the Saros 10R would have served my needs much better! I hope this is helpful!

The key to good mopping is always good vacuuming first. Our cheap S8s do a really great job vacuuming stuff out of the cracks between our laminate floor panels. We get a lot of cat litter stuck in our floor cracks all the time. The simple rubber rollers do a great job getting the cat litter out. Only very rarely do they leave anything behind. Fortunately, once the floors have been thoroughly vacuumed, any mopping system including vibrating pads, spinning mops and roller mops do an excellent job. Appempting to mop any floor with a robovac that has not been thoroughly vacuumed first is pointless and may even lead to scratches in the flooring. Roller mops probably do the best job over all, but if the floors get regularly vacuumed and mopped, and especially if the floors get thoroughly vacuumed before mopping, the practical difference in the results between mopping systems is almost meaningless. Good vacuuming first is far more important than the mopping system itself. I hope this helps!

There is no best robovac. Every single one of them involves compromises. A fancy, expensive model will not clean your house better than a midrange model. I suggest you look for something near the top of the midrange that has spinning rear mops, an extending side brush and an extending rear mop. None of these models will be perfect no matter how much you spend. You are looking for what all of us want and it does not exist. All robovacs struggle with things in your home. Homes have to be adapted for the use of a robovac, not the other way around. We all have to go through this. Cords have to be cleaned up. Rugs have to be taped down or exchanged for robovac friendly ones. Floppy, machine washable bathroom rugs and other similar rugs will be a problem. Chairs with legs that have sections that are parallel to the ground will probably be a problem. If we don't deal with these issues, we will have to create no-go zones that we will have to clean ourselves and this negates the purpose of a robovac. Any robovac can only do 90-95% of the floor cleaning job. The rest we have to do ourselves. All of this might sound like a bunch of negatives, and maybe it is. But, once we work through the issues, having and using a robovac is awesome! Our home has never been this clean! We use three robovacs - two for vacuuming and one for mopping. We have two cheap, $350, charging dock only models that each vacuum half of our house. They simply vacuum better than any currently available $1000+ model, and I have tried many in an attempt to recreate the vacuuming ability of my cheap models. Nothing else comes close. I have very high standards. We use a $1500 fancy, new model for all of our mopping. It does a great job mopping, but it is a terrible vacuum cleaner on rugs and carpets. No amount of automation and fancy features can cure this. The only thing I use it for to vacuum is under a pair of dressers our other models do not fit under and our garage floor. I waited too long to return this robovac. A midrange model for $500-600 would have served us just as well. Compromise! Everyone has to do it and find creative solutions. This is the sad truth of the current state of the industry. But I do not ever want to have to go back to the old way of cleaning our house. Our robovacs are wonderful! I will add one recommendation that I recently tried and returned. I got a Mova V50. It is a fantastic machine in every way. It almost vacuums as well as our two cheap models. Out of the eight different $1000+ robovacs that I tried over the last six months, it was clearly the best of the lot. If I could not have my two cheap models, I would get two Mova V50s to clean our house. As it is, my two cheap models still do a noticably better job, so I will stick with them until they die. I have always been a Roborock guy, so recommending a Mova V50 is unusual for me. One last thought when it comes to robovacs: finding a good mopping machine is easy. Finding one the vacuums rugs and carpets really well is very difficult! I hope this helps!

I use a pair of $350, charging dock only Roborock S8s to do all of my vacuuming. They are fantastic when set to Max on rugs and carpets. They were last year's flagships, so they also navigate well and have good obstacle avoidance. They are also surprisingly good an smaller thresholds up to about one inch tall. I use a Roborock Saros 10R for all of our mopping. When I got it, I was hoping it could replace one of our S8s. Unfortunately, it has the combo of unrealistic pascal suction numbers and auto detangling rollers. If does not vacuum rugs and carpets nearly as well as the cheap S8s. The difference is obvious! That's why it only mops. In my opinion, the ultimate combination for the cleanest home at the lowest price is a Roborock S8+ with auto emptying dock (same robovac, fancier dock) and any mid range model with extending side brushes and spinning, extending rear mops. One ought to be able to get this combo for $800-900 total. It will out clean any single $1500 model sold right now. One can still get S8+ models brand new. The S8 base model like mine is only available as used or refurbished. These will all be gone very soon - in the next couple of weeks. The second best solution I have found so far is a Mova V50 Ultra Complete. Please keep in mind that this is only one fool's opinion. Opinions vary significantly. I have very high cleaniness standards! Most people are quite content with their auto detangling robovac results. I hope this helps!

I currently use my S8s only to vacuum. But they do mop well also. If you get multiple pads, this is not a bad way to go, because you can just remove the dirty pads and wash them with any load of laundry and put on a clean one and you are ready to go again. For mopping, they do not offer any automated functions. But they are easy to use manually anyway. I used mine to mop for about six months. They really did a great job. But I prefer an automated dock for mopping. I would not recommend a fancy S8 for mopping. The mechanism required by the dock to clean the mops is too complicated and requires too much maintenance. You cannot beat an S8 for vacuuming only! I am unfamiliar with the Mova P10 and cannot say anything about this model. The Mova V50 is the second best vacuum cleaner I have tried behind a $350 Roborock S8 with only a charging dock. An S8 for vacuuming only with any mid range model with spinning mops, extending side brush and extending rear mop with an automated dock for all the mopping would provide the cleanest home out of any solution I have found. I have tried eight different fancy models in an effort to find a more automated solution that vacuums as well as an S8. I do not believe one exists. I use a pair of S8 for all of my vacuuming, and another model with the features I described above for all of my mopping. An S8 for vacuuming and a midrange model for all the mopping can beat any currently available single model made by any manufacturerl. A basic S8 with a good midrange model should cost around $850 together. The Mova V50 came the closest to replicating this in a single model. I hope this helps!

The most powerful home floor cleaning solution I have found is a good cordless stick vac like our Dyson V8, any cheap steam mop and a good robovac. A good robovac can do 90-95% of floor cleaning job an average home requires. The stick vac and steam mop are easy to carry around, lightweight and simple to maintain. One does not need the stick vac or steam mop often, but they easily makeup the shortcomings of the robovac. I use our steam mop once per month around the edges of our rooms along the walls and around the edges of rugs. Every two weeks or so, I have to use the stick vac in a similar fashion. My parents are 88 and 85. I got them set up with the exact same solution a year ago. They love it!!! Just like me, my dad, 88, spends about a half hour per month maintaining the robovac, and he spends about an hour per month making up for the shortcomings of the robovac with the stick vac and steam mop. Our floors are always clean now! This is much easier for them than any traditional floor cleaning approach! It is easier for me too! This is a much reduced and much easier effort than any other solution I have found. Robovacs are maintenance machines, not deep cleaners. The once-per-week cleaning approach has to be abandoned. My parents and I both run our robovacs through our whole houses three times per week or more. Robovacs have to be run often in order to be effective. If there are pets and other big sources of hair in a home, running a robovac too infrequently can lead to hair clogging problems in both the robovac and dock. Frequent cleaning is key! All robovacs are made with cheap parts, and they are not built to be durable at all. One can expect a few years of life out of them no matter how fancy and how expensive they are. Once you see how well one of them works, and you can embrace these truths, you will be thrilled with it nevertheless. They usually work fantastically well even though no robovac is perfect! It will not be long before you buy one for yourself also!!! I avoid the high-end models. These usually have unnecessary gimics and they do not clean any better than a good midrange model. My choices are usually the higher end of the midrange models. They typically work well, they are usually reasonably reliable and they don't have unnecessary and expensive nonsense built into them. So, no $1500 models. The $700-1000 models usually bring the best return on investment in my experience. The models that cost $500 and above usually work well too. But, there are some exceptions. I use a pair of Roborock S8s for all of my vacuuming. These are the cheapest, charging dock only, nothing fancy all all, $350 models. I do not use them for mopping even though they have this capability. However, these may not be the best option for you. These cheap S8s are the best performing robovacs for vacuuming that I have found, especially on rugs and carpets. I have tried many different, fancier, more automated models, in an attempt to add convenience. Nothing else currently on the market can vacuum better and live up to my standards. The S8s do require more maintenance than the fully automated models. Once per week, I have to remove the rollers, pull of their ends, and remove the hair that gets wound around them. This is a quick, easy task that takes two minutes. Mopping is better done by more automatic models. Any $500 model with spinning rear mops will do this job well. Find one with extending side brushes and an extending rear mop. This allows them to do a better job along the edges of rooms and around furniture. For me, an S8 with an additional $500 model like I described above is the best automated floor cleaning solution I have found. Two robovacs may not be the right solution for you, but it does offer the best vacuuming capability available from any robovac along with good mopping. Otherwise, stick to the higher end of the midrange models and accept that you will have to do a bit more supplemental vacuuming. It probably will not require supplemental vacuuming all that often. But all of the other models I have tried do occasionally leave stuff behind that does not get properly picked up on rugs and carpets when vacuuming. These models will do everything else a robovac can do very well with very little maintenance. My parents have mostly hard floors with only a few, machine washable rugs. A single robovac works well for them bacause anything can vacuum hard floors well. Their model was made before extending side brushes and mops were released. This is really too bad. But theirs still does most of the job. They wash their few rugs in the washing machine instead of vacuuming them. My dad loves that he can have the robovac vacuum and mop his kitchen and dining area every day after he makes dinner and cleans up afterwards. The robovac has made a significant quality of life improvement for them and has made it possible for them the stay in their home without additional help beyond what I can do for them when they otherwise would have had to downsize and get outside help. Buying these robovacs was not cheap! But they sure made an enormous difference for all of us!!! None of us can imaging going back to how things were before!!! I hope this helps! Please feel free to come back to me if you have any questions. Good luck!

I use a Robotock S8 but these have been discontinued. They are still available as refubished, but you may get a good one and you may not. Now, on to the puddles. I never vacuum my garage floor when there are puddles. It is just too risky. The floors need to be totally dry. Getting water sucked into a robovac is just not good!!! I use a big squeegee to push all the water out of our garage and then wait for the floors to dry. A lot of robovacs avoid water on the floor, including mine. But, no obstacle avoidance system is perfect. They will only avoid puddles most of the time, but not always. Also, even when winter ice and slush drips off of a car and mostly dries, it will leave damp, muddy stuff behind. This is not a good idea to suck up into any robovac. It will make a mess of i too. So, if you can solve the puddle problem, most robovacs will do a decent job in your garage. But they cannot handle shop debris. They cannot clean up after sawing through a 2x4 and other similar messes. Robovacs are very small machines with small, cheap, plastic parts. They cannot handle what a conventional vacuum cleaner could handle without problems. One has to be cautious. I hope this helps!

My 10R can be set for a square feet without any problem. It has been since I got it. If you ever have a hard time vacuuming stuff from your rugs that your other robovacs can't handle, try the S8. It vacuums like a champ, especially on its higher suction settings. It should easily outperform your 10R. I hope you enjoy your robovacs!

I have base model Roborock S8s and a Saros 10R. The flex arm helps a little bit, but the S8 without flex arms do almost as well. The only area that the flex arm can hit that the S8s cannot are in the corners. This means we are taking about two square inches. I suggest you add up the number of corners you have to deal with, multiply by two to get the total square inches. Then divide the cost of the robovac by this calculated square inch number. This will give you the cost per square inch for the improvement a flex arm will offer you. Just keep in mind that you only need to add up the 90 degree corners, not the 270 degree corners. Your existing model will get these just fine already. I think you will find that it will cost you a lot of money for a few square inches of improvement over your current model. Robovac improvements are usually incremental, not substantial. Miniscule improvements are often very expensive. A mid range model will clean just as well as a flagship model. I hope this helps!

For vacuuming on any surface, especially rugs and carpets, get the S8. For anything else try one of the others. There is no single robovac best solution. If you have unlimited money and want the best of everything, get an S8 for vacuuming and another model for mopping. While the S8 does mop very well, the mechanism used in the docks is too complicated and requires too much maintenance. If this maintenance is not done often enough or well enough, the mechanism will clog with gunk and hair. Any robovac with spinning mops will mop just as well and requires only super easy maintenance. I use a pair of cheap S8 base models for all of my vacuuming and a Saros 10R for all of my mopping. Any S8, even the charging dock only S8s, will out vacuum any of the other models you are looking at and any model with auto detangling rollers made by any manufacturer right now. But, hurry! They are being discontinued and then there will be none left that can vacuum really well. I hope this helps!

Pascal suction power numbers are pure marketing hype. There are several factors that are important to good vacuuming: rollers, vacuum pressure, airflow and others. Unfortunately, high vacuum pressure, measured in pascals, means poor airflow in a robovac. Airflow is what carries debris kicked up by the rollers into the dustbin, not vacuum pressure. The only way to create these super high pascal numbers is to restrict airflow. Otherwise, the vacuum pressure will be unsustainable. Vacuum pressure is important, but without good airflow, it doesn't help. 5000-8000Pa of vacuum pressure is more than plenty for good vacuuming if the other factors are in place. The 6000Pa with great rollers in the base model S8s significantly out vacuums the 18,500Pa of our Saros 10R with auto detangling rollers.

I use three of them on the same floor. None of them know where the other is, but if you creatively create and use your routines in such a way that they are not in the same area or in high traffic areas at the same time, it works very well! Our entire home gets vacuumed by a pair of base model, charging dock only Roborock S8s because no one makes a better robotic vacuum cleaner at this time. They are amazing, especially on rugs and carpets, and they also do a great job on hard floors. While the S8s are doing their thing, our Roborock Saros 10R vacuums under a pair of dressers the S8s do not fit under and then vacuums our garage floor. I do not use the 10R for any other vacuuming because it is by far the weakest vacuum cleaner. It is mediocre at best. When they are done, our Roborock Saros 10R does all the mopping. It is an excellent mopping machine. When I use only the Roborock app, our entire house and garage gets vacuumed and then mopped in about one hour and twenty minutes. I have everything integrated into Home Assistant as well. When using Home Assistant, the entire job gets done with a single, "Alexa, clean the house," command that triggers Home Assistant automations that run the robovacs. This route cleans the entire house in the same way in a bit more than 50 minutes. The S8s have been discontinued. But refurbished and used-like-new models are super cheap right now. I have ordered two spares today because everyone wants auto detangling rollers that do a poor job vacuuming. I think the S8s are the last models that are going to be able to vacuum very, very well for the foreseeable future. I hope this helps!

Let's start with the most important detail. Both the S7 and S8 have been discontinued. For the S8s, we are down to used-like-new from Amazon returns and refurbished ones from Roborock. There is a lot about the S7s and S8s that is very similar or almost identical. The main difference is the vacuuming system. The S7s use a single solid rubber roller, and the S8s use dual counter rotating solid rubber rollers. Otherwise, they are basically the same although the S8s do have some slight improvements. Generally, these are a bit meaningless. The dual counter rotating rollers are nice because they push stuff between them from both directions so it can get sucked up. Two rollers agitate carpet twice as mych. But the single rollers really do just as well. I think preference makes a bigger impact than cleaning ability. The S8s are the king of carpet vacuuming. Someone really ought to study the difference in vacuuming ability more closely between the two models. I cannot really tell a significant difference. Mopping performance for both models should be nearly identical. The S7s are excellent vacuum cleaners!!! I would be proud to own one! It is really hard to say if an S8 vacuums better than an S7. Possibly. Maybe not. I think the both do an excellent job, especially on rugs and carpets. I think one can more or less say the same thing about the vacuuming abilities of the S5s and S6s too. But the slightly higher vacuum pressure of the S7s and S8s does help! Sure, try an S8. Come back and report what you find! I would love to learn from your experience!!!

What model of S7 do you have? If it is a basic model, it has a very simple obstacle avoidance system. If you have a fancy model like the S7 MaxV or S7 MaxV Ultra, these use a more sophisticated system that is essentially the same as in the S8s. The systems in the Saros models are even better. Essentially, camera based obstacle avoidance systems, like those used in the S8s, Qrevo and Saros models, perform much better than non camera based systems. Both of our base model S8s and our Saros 10R do a great job with obstacle avoidance! No obstacle avoidance system is anywhere near perfect. The best one can hope for is that it will avoid obstacles most of the time. No obstacle avoidance system will avoid obstacles every single time. I had the same problems with our cats and their toys. Now I just spend two minutes picking up the stuff on our floors before sending out the robovacs. This works flawlessly for me. It is much more effective and reliable than any obstacle avoidance system from any manufacturer. It is much cheaper too! If you do decide for a newer robovac in order to overcome this issue, it will come with many improvements over your S7. However, vacuuming ability will not be among them as anything from any manufacturer with auto detangling rollers and super high pascal vacuum pressure will not perform nearly as well as your S7 when it comes to vacuuming rugs and carpets. You will get much more convenience, but you will get less vacuuming ability. This is why I still use two cheap S8s for all of our vacuuming. Our Saros 10R is just a very fancy, very expensive mop. I hope this helps!

If you have rugs or carpets, you will be in the same situation I am in. I also would like something better and more convenient. But I cannot find anything that will vacuum as well or better than our S8s from any manufacturer. I have been looking for months and have tried many different models that reviewers recommended. They are all junk in my opinion. As for the obstacle avoidance issues, we all have to adapt our homes to the robovac rather than the other way around. We all have to go through this. Once a home has been made robovac friendly, there are far fewer problems and obstacle avoidance issues become very rare. We no longer have any furniture that is problematic and all of the cords have been cleaned up. Everything else that caused problems has also been remedied. Once I clean up the cat toys, there simply are no more obstacle avoidance issues in our home.

Nothing currently on the market vacuums better than an S8, especially on rugs and carpets. If this is of primary importance, I would pick the S8. Everything that could vacuum very well has been discontinued in favor of convenience over cleaning ability. The S8s are the last ones left. However, the mechanism required by the S8's dock to wash the mop pad is too complicated and requires more maintenance than other models with spinning mops. I would call this not ideal. But, it does mop very well. If you can live with mediocre vacuuming ability, try anything with auto detangling rollers like the other model you are comparing. The spinning mops are much easier to maintain and do a great job. Good mopping is entirely dependant on good vacuuming first. Almost any model with spinning mops will do an excellent job. Unless floors have been thoroughly vacuumed first, mopping with any robovac is pointless. High pascal suction numbers are complete nonsense. Our $350, base model, charging dock only S8s with only 6000Pa significantly out vacuum our Saros 10R with 18,500Pa because the S8s do not use auto detangling rollers. The difference between the two on our floors is obvious. Most people are quite pleased with their auto detanglers. Because of this, I continue to use our high milage S8s for all of our vacuuming. The Saros 10R only mops. The maintenance on the dock for the fancy S8s isn't terrible. But it is more than I am willing to do. Thus, the multi robovac solution in our home. If this maintenance is not done, the mop washing system will fill with gunk and clog. You will have to spend about 30 minutes every three to four weeks cleaning it out. With spinning mops, the maintenance takes two minutes every four to six weeks. This has to be compared with the many, many hours of cleaning effort a robovac will save you in the same timeframe. I hope this helps!

As a Roborock Saros 10R owner, I can say that ours is truly amazing in every respect but one - vacuuming rugs and carpets. Our 10R is actually our second one since the dock failed and it was replaced under warranty. Both behaved identically. They vacuum rugs and carpets so poorly compared to our $350, charging dock only Roborock S8s, that I only use the 10R for mopping. Everything else about it is fantastic except for its primary function. I just bought a Mova V50 to replace our 10R. So far I am very pleased with the improvements! It even mops better. Our 10R will be retired soon and it is only months old. For me, it was a very expensive mistake! The Mova V50 is what I was hoping the 10R would be. I find this sad as I have always been a Roborock fan. Using any robovac on thick carpeting or rugs can be a challenge. It will probably work, but it might also choke the robovac. Unfortunately, you will not know until you try it. Wool carpets have to be robovaced with caution. A robovac is a machine that will move in exactly the same pattern every single time. You cannot significantly alter this pattern. It can cause damage due to repition. Some wool carpets also need to be vacuuming in a specific direction. The robovac will go back and forth in two different directions no matter what. Make sure your wool rugs can handle this. You will have to test this cautiously. I hope this helps!

Yes and no. I have only had it for a few days. So far, I think it vacuums significantly better than the 10R. The mopping is actually better than the 10R too, and I thought the 10R was very good. This could be due to the floor cleaning solution. Our freshly mopped floors always looked very good after the 10R got done, but they really shine after the V50 is done! I think the V50 also has better water handling than the 10R and this is very important for mopping. The two really behave very similarly. People with OCD will prefer the 10R because it makes really straight lines when it goes back and forth. The V50 does too, but they aren't quite as pretty as the ones from the 10R. But this really isn't important as long as the job gets done. The V50 does vacuum rugs and carpets much better than the 10R. But, it still does not vacuum them as well as our $350 S8s. An S8 is more or less impossible to beat with any robovac that has auto detangling rollers. But, an S8 does require two minutes of easy maintenance once per week because it does not have these new rollers. The S8 appears to be the last robovac left that can vacuum very, very well. They entire industry switched from providing vacuuming performance to providing low maintenance, fully automated convenience at the cost of good vacuuming performance. This is what people want. One last thought on the S8 before I get back on topic. They cannot be beat by anything newer in terms of vacuuming ability, but I would not want to use one for mopping anymore. The mechanism in the dock required to clean the mops is too complicated and requires too much maintenance. That is part of the reason I got the cheap ones with only a charging dock. An S8 and a fancier, newer robovac with spinning disc mops makes a formidable cleaning combination when one vacuums with the S8 and mops with the new one. This is what I do. So, as a new robovac, I really can't fault the V50. I think it is better than the 10R in over all cleaning ability. But, it still does not quite live up to my standards. I can tolerate its vacuuming ability. I really does well. But, I am not thrilled with it. Unfortunately, there are no better robovac alternatives with all of the modern features we all want, so I think it is my best option. The V50 has one glaring deficiency that has really made me hesitate with keeping it. It has no ability to create routines. All Roborocks allow you to create routines that can be triggered by a single button press. This allows you to set up customized cleaning for a single room or a set of rooms. I only use routines on my Roborocks. I have routines for everything. From there, I can create a schedule that runs the routine at a specific time any day of the week. The V50 does have schedules that function like routines. But, one cannot trigger them with the press of a single button. They can only be triggered at the specified time of the day. This is a significant issue for me. I think the Roborock Sarod 10R is perfect for anyone with mostly or entirely hard floors. It performs very well under these circumstances. If you have significant rugs and carpets, the Mova V50 is probably a better choice mostly because there are no better alternatives that I have found yet. The only reason I bought our new Mova V50 is because one of our Roborock S8s failed. While I am satisfied with the V50's vacuuming ability and love it's mopping ability, the lack of a routines function is really making me second guess my purchase today. This is as honest of an assessment as I can currently give you. I hope it is helpful! The robovac industry really needs to fucus on basic cleaning ability, especially vacuuming ability, instead of ever more fancy gimics!!!

It does a fantastic, yet still slightly imperfect job mopping. It mops much better than our Saros 10R even though, in principle, they should mop about the same since they use the same mopping system. I believe this is due to the Mova floor cleaning solution but I do not know this as a fact. Otherwise, my same criticism of the latest generation of robovacs remains. None of the latest generation of robovacs vacuum rugs and carpets as well as the previous two generations. My two $350 Roborock S8s vacuum much better, but I would not want to use them for mopping. I think the best and most ideal solution for auromated clean floors is either a $350, charging dock only S8, or an S8+ with auto emptying dock for less than $50 more when on sale, and almost any other mid range robovac for mopping that has both extending side brushes and an extending rear mop. This combination will produce the cleanest floors one can get with any automated solution. I think this combo should be attainable for around $800-850. There is a very minor drawback to this solution. Once per week, one has to remove the rollers from the S8, pull off their ends and remove the wound up hair that collects around them. This is a super easy, quick two minute job. The much better vacuuming ability is worth this tiny effort in my opinion!!! If you have significant rugs and/or carpets, this is the best option currently available. Otherwise, if you don't like my slightly complicated solution, and you are willing to spend an additional $300, I think the Mova V50 is the second best option currently available. Like I said, it mops fantastically well. It comes the closest to anything else I have tried to vacuuming rugs and carpets like an S8. The S8 does a noticably better job, but the V50 does well too. If you want a single, automated solution that does very well, I think the Mova V50 is the one to beat at this time. Please keep in mind that I have high standards. I think most people will be very pleased with either a Saros 10R or a Mova V50. Out of the two, I would personally choose the V50 because it is cheaper and better. But the two are extremely similar. The V50 does vacuum rugs and carpets much better than the 10R. The Mova V50 app and firmware are not as perfected and smooth as the Roborock app and firmware for the 10R. The Mova software has some problems. This biggest of these problems is ghost rooms. These are areas between rooms that do not exist in the physical world, but the robovac thinks they exist and tries to clean them. So far, this has not caused any significant issues for me, and I am confident that future firmware and app updates will solve this problem. The Mova app is not bad at all. The Roborock app is just a bit better and has had the kinks worked out of it already. I am not going to let this hold me back from using the V50. As for me personally, I am going to stick with my two $350 S8s for all of my major vacuuming needs. The V50 is going to do all of the mopping and handle quick cleanup situations like vacuuming our kitchen and dining area after I get dinner cleaned up. The Saros 10R is going to live in our garage and keep my garage floors clean. It will also serve as a backup robovac when one of the others has a problem. My original plan of using a pair of Mova V50s for all of my floor cleaning is not going to pan out. But I still really like the V50 as the current second best vacuum cleaner. I will put it to good use! Lastly, the S8s perform so well as the last models made by any manufacturer right now that can really vacuum well that I am considering buying a spare, because I doubt they will be manufactured for much longer. Consumers have clearly selected convenience over cleaning ability. I find it amazing that manufacturers are willinging to allow a $350 robovac to so thoroughly beat their $1000-1500 robovacs so easily when it comes to vacuuming rugs and carpets! This is everything I can tell you. I hope it is helpful!

That's terrible! You have my simpathy! Because of problems like yours I went with redundancy. I use a pair of Roborock S8s. They are the cheapest version available with only a charging dock. They navigate very well, they have excellent obstacle avoidance, and most importantly, for $350, they vacuum like beasts. One cannot currently find a model that vacuums better. If one of our S8s failed, it would be tragic! They have been super reliable and now have very high milage. But they still run well every single time. This is the gift that comes with simplicity. I can't trust anything with split single auto detangling rollers. They are probably fine for your hard floors, but I have been disappointed over and over again with their poor vacuuming performance on rugs and carpets. I am just going to wait and see how things play out with the Mova V50. It has auto detangling rollers, but it uses a different system that keeps the solid dual counter rotating rollers from the previous generation of robovacs. I have high hopes for this! I do not want to be disappointed yet again! Good luck! I hope you find something you like!

That depends entirely on what you want. I have four robovacs. I have two base model, charging dock only, $350 Roborock S8s. I have a $1500 Roborock Saros 10R, and I have an $1100 Mova V50. Out of the four, the $350 S8s have the best vacuuming ability by far, especially on rugs and carpets and in dirty conditions with lots of pet and people hair. I cannot stress this enough! The S8s are my go-to when the job has to be done right. I have never found anything yet that can beat them when it comes to vacuuming. In an effort to find a more automated replacement, I have tried six other $1000+ models in addition to the Mova V50 and Saros 10R I currently have. The $350 S8s vacuum much, much better. There are no two ways around this fact. The main reasons for this are no auto detangling rollers and no outrageous, unrealistic pascal suction numbers. Vacuum pressure, measure in pascals, is important. But, the only way a tiny fan and tiny motor can make 20,000Pa of vacuum pressure is to restrict the airflow. Airflow is what carries debris into the dustbin, not vacuum pressure. The bottom line is that solid rubber rollers and 6000Pa beat auto detangling rollers and 20,000+ Pa every single time when it comes to vacuuming ability. S8s also mop well, but I much prefer the Saros 10R and especially the Mova V50 for mopping. It does a better job mopping than the Saros 10R. Otherwise, the 10R and the V50 are almost identical except that the 10R is a terrible vacuum cleaner. The V50 is the second best vacuum cleaner I have tried so far, but the S8s still outshine it significantly. The are two reasons that S8s are not selling like crazy anymore. The first only applies to the fancy ones with automated docks, not the basic ones like I use. The mechanism required in the dock to clean the mops is too complicated and requires too much maintenance. The second reason is that solid rubber rollers require two entire minutes of easy maintenance once per week. One has to remove the rollers, pull off their ends and pull off the hair that gets wrapped around them. This is super quick and easy. People spend $1000+ to avoid this two minute task once per week. The S8s were last year's flagship models. Even the basic ones navigate well and have good obstacle avoidance. These inexpensive machines are no slouches at all! In my opinion, the best automated floor cleaning solution is a $350 S8 and a second robovac that mops well using spinning mops and an automated dock. A $500 model should easily do the trick. So, for $850, one ends up with two robovacs that clean much better together than any single $1000+ model currently available from any manufacturer. I am not sure I am keeping the Mova V50 yet. My Saros 10R does all my mopping. The two S8s each vacuum half of my house. If the Saros 10R or Mova V50 failed, it would not be a big deal. If one of my S8s failed, it would be tragic! So, yes, there are excellent options available under $1000. I am reasonably sure that my opinion is not popular. But, I repair robovacs as a small side job, so I get to try lots of them. Most of these are high end models who's warranties have expired and are, therefore, more than a year old. Anything newer, like the Saros 10R, Mova V50 and the six others, I have to buy like anyone else. I hope this helps!

I tried a Mova V50 for several weeks before returning it. Here is what I can tell you about it. It is one of the best vacuum cleaners on rugs and carpets currently available. It did struggle with cat litter on a linoleum floor, and I think a Roborock Saros 10R does better on hard floors but much worse on rugs and carpets. A Roborock S8, which is a previous generation robovac, still beat both of them noticably on all flooring surfaces. The Mova V50 did do an excellent job mopping. Otherwise, it is almost indistinguishable from a Roborock Saros 10R. The V50 does have large water tanks, but so does the Saros 10R. I think the dust bags in the docks are identical. I use cheap, base model, outdated and now discontinued, charging dock only Roborock S8s for all of my vacuuming. While I really liked the V50, I did not keep it because my cheap S8s vacuumed much, much better. For the same reason, I only use the Saros 10R to mop. The Mova app is not as refined as the Roborock app. Both get the job done well, but the V50 needs some firmware improvements and the app could use a little work too. I hope this helps!

Doesn't your model have the solid robber vacuum rollers? I think it does. Are you aware that the ends pull off of these rollers? We have several people with long hair on the house. I just pull off the roller ends on our S8s and the hair slides right off. It is a really quick and easy job for me. If your current model has solid rubber rollers, you will provably be disappointed in the vacuuming ability of any model by any manufacturer with auto detangling rollers. They just do not work as well, and their vacuuming ability is significantly worse than anything with solid rubber rollers. I hope this helps!

I just bought a Roborock mop and vacuum from Costco and love it. Huge upgrade from my old Roomba. It self empties and washes the mops. All you do is refill water and empty dirty water. With your budget you can even afford the upgraded model that cleans with hot water and is better in the corners . Go for it!

I thought the same until I tried a mopping robo. Having your floors mopped twice a week while you’re at work is priceless. You can still do some extra mopping once a month if you feel the need.

Have mine since release date since 2 years ago. And still have it, that might give you a hint. Before this one I had the S7 plus and before that one the S5.

Pfff nah, granted the design is better that the one on S7 line up but since they released the duo divide roller I cannot wait to change my S8, there’s literally no hair with that roller

Best vacuum in terms of what? Without camera, obstacles avoidance is garbage, except the S8 line, excluding the maxv. If you don’t care about avoidance then the pro is quite basic, you can get the Edge S5A or Curv S5X

If you don’t need the best of the best obstacles avoidance then, Have you checked QRevo Curv and edge ? They should be in the 1K ballpark too and they have anti tangling roller and side brush plus the dock is easier to maintain, smth I don’t mind in my S8 but you having 3 kids might be smth you consider. As others mentioned discard the Z70 it has a lot of compromises for the arm.

No it isn’t. The navigation is way better in the S8 since it used 3D structured light instead of single beam like Q8. Also build quality is better

Thanks for the extra details — that helps a ton. You're right to focus on mopping performance, especially if you don’t have carpets. In that case, *rotating mops* (like on the L10s Pro) usually outperform the VibraRise vibration pads on the S8/S8 Pro when it comes to actual scrubbing power on hard floors. The Dreame setup is more aggressive and consistent for stuck-on grime. Quick breakdown now that I know: ✅ **Dreame L10s Pro** * Rotating mop pads = better for homes with mostly hard floors * Suction is excellent (basically tied with S8) * Great overall hardware for the price * Main limitation: no auto-empty base, but you already accepted that tradeoff ✅ **Roborock S8 / S8 Pro** * Strong suction and dual brush system * Vibration mop is solid, but less effective than Dreame’s rotation in most daily use * Cleaner UI, smarter map features * S8 Pro adds auto mop lifting, which is helpful *only* if you had carpets (you don’t) ✅ **Q8 Max+** * A little newer than S8, cheaper, and adds some S8-level features (like dual brushes) * No rotating or vibrating mop * You’d downgrade mopping if you switched 🎯 **Bottom Line:** You made a solid pick with the L10s Pro *for your use case* — no carpets, hard floors, care about mop quality, and don’t need the base. Suction is more or less tied across these models, but Dreame gives you better scrubbing where it counts. If you’re still tempted by the S8 Pro, ask yourself: Would you pay extra *just* for map interface, firmware polish, and base compatibility? If not, stick with the L10s Pro and don’t look back. You got the right tool for the job.

Keskipitkäkarvaisen koiran ja Dreamen Z10 robotti-imurin omistaneena, karvat takertuivat pääharjakseen ja sen kanssa piti olla aika tarkkana, laite meinaan sorvaa pääharjasta ajavan "square driven" "circle driveksi" jos karvaa on liikaa ja harjas ei pääse pyörimään, kysy miten tiedän. Nykyinen kalliimpi Roborockin tuplaharjas imuri ei tätä tee, en ole varma johtuuko tuosta tuplaharjas ominaisuudesta vai silikoniharjaksista, Z10ssä oli sellainen vanhemman mallinen harja-harja.

The dual roller roborock vacuum does great with pet hair.

Roborock with dual rollers is amazing at pulling hair out of carpet. Worth every penny if you have a dog that sheds a lot. I didn't get one that mops because my previous robovac (not a roborock) seemed useless at mopping.

I would go with duo divide. We have seen that going dual roller didn’t make any meaningful improvements for Roborock. This was My experience and many reviewers as well. The duo divide roller actually does greatly improve the capturing of hair without tangling. And the models that have this roller also have an improved side brush that tangles less. It’s a win win. Though the side brush doesn’t have the option to turn in for carpet. (Ahem - Roborock)