Roborock - S8 Max Ultra

I have two GSDs. All my floors are stained and sealed concrete. I currently have a Roborock S8 Max Ultra. I am happy with it. I can see the hair accumulation in a day when I was manually vacuuming. I have the bot on a schedule so it does different sections of the house during the day. The only time it’s down is when I need to do maintenance. Most of those tasks take about 5 min so I can get it back on its way ASAP. Previously, I had a lower model Roborock. However, the auto wash and refill on the Max Ultra is a game changer for my house. My favorite part of Roborock is the main brushes are rubber fins instead bristles. Cutting tangled hair out of a vacuum sucks. I don’t do that anymore. Before all this I had an Ecovac model. Great cleaning power but it regularly got lost, reset the map, couldn’t find the base, and then stopped charging correctly. I got fed up with it and returned it. Costco came in clutch for that because that vac was just not worth the money.

Roborock S8 Max Ultra with auto-refill and drain dock. Hook that sucker up to your plumbing and you'll never have to bother with refilling and draining the mopping bins. Just occasional cleaning maintenance.

It's fantastic.

It's a very light mopping. Not a deep clean, but running every day makes up for that.

This is the answer. They're great.

Really wish i have went ahead and got the refilling station too.

I have both Qrevo and S8. They have completely different self cleaning mechanisms. Qrevo is way easier to clean than S8 ultra max. Less parts to clean and possibly getting stuck . However Qrevo is much taller. That’s something to consider.

I don't have pets so I couldn't tell but my gf has long hair and I only clean hair out once a month. The hair doesn't get stuck anyway, it just starts wrapping around the "mounting pins" on the side that hold the brushes. You can remove the rollers, pull those pins out and the hair will fall off. Takes 2mins.

Of these, the worst mopping will be the Q5 and Q8 robots, which just have stationary pads attached to the back. The S8 also has a pad attached to the back, but includes a scrubbing motion via a plate that vibrates at a high speed. It's better than the Q5 and Q8. The best mopping will be on the Qrevo and Eufy X10. They have spinning mop pads, a dock which refills the water tank on the robot from its own water tank, and also cleans the pads automatically and stores the dirty water in another tank on the dock. Of the last two, each has its strengths and weaknesses. The X10 will be better at obstacle avoidance. The Qrevo is a Roborock, which has a better reputation for quality and reliability than the Eufy, and is also rated a little better than the Eufy at a lot of things: vacuuming performance, mopping performance, etc. It also can swing out one of its mop pads for better edge and corner cleaning, something the Eufy can't do. In some cases, obstacle avoidance is really critical, in which case I'd recommend the Eufy. Otherwise, the Qrevo is likely your best bet.

The S8 Max Ultra is the same as the S8 MaxV Ultra, except that they removed the front-facing camera. It was intended for privacy-minded folks. This takes away the remote camera features, and makes obstacle avoidance worse. $400 is a really good price for it. I wouldn't recommend it at its regular price (over $1000), as there are better and newer systems for cheaper. The S8 was Roborock's flagship line before this year, so the quality is good. My main concern with Mova is the issue they've had with broken swivel wheels. In some cases, people have reported that the wheel was broken from the factory. Replacing the wheel involves taking the robot apart, and that's assuming you can get a decent replacement. Mova support seems to be in line with the support from the other Chinese vendors, which is to say it isn't great; this isn't much different from Roborock, but you're much less likely to need it with the S8. Feedback is also mixed about its navigation. I'd watch a few review videos to see for yourself before pulling the trigger, if you do decide to return the S8.

S8 Max Ultra hands down. They have an addition coupon on Amazon too “Buy any 1 for $899.99 Promo code TGDSS9JQ is saved to your account.” https://amzn.to/46LeFbq

Sorry for the delayed response, I was at work. This one is a Roborock S8 Max Ultra. It is pricey and this model requires plumbing (even pricier -- LOL!). It works very well for both vacuum and mop and it isn't too noisy; I was within 6 feet of it in the video so you can hear the sound. We have a two-level home. Well just two steps, but it is enough that a robot can't traverse. For a long time I would move both a iRobot Brava Jet M6 (mop) and Shark RV2520AZUS (vacuum) between the floors. The Shark vacuum did great on the dog fur and still does on the lower level where I leave it now. The iRobot mop would be good for about 10 feet and then would just smear mud on the rest of the floor because the mop head was dirty. Not the iRobot's fault. Our dogs have a dog door and spend a lot of time outside, then track in mud. Anyway, when I saw an ad for this model Roborock, and that it returns to wash the mop head anytime it senses the mop is dirty and every time it docks (thus the need for the water line and waste line plumbing), I thought this would solve my problem -- and it has!! I think there is also a Roborock model with two containers -- one you fill with water and the other it uses for waste water, so you can get the mop washing benefit without the plumbing. Whatever kind you get, as someone else pointed out, MAKE SURE the vacuum auto-empties or else every ten minutes you'll get a notice that the dust bin is full and it will stop running until you empty it.

Nope. It's a Roborock S8 Max Ultra with RDS https://a.co/d/fjKgBB7

I used to think the same - can I really spend $2k on vacuum?? A few years later I can tell you I have zero regrets and am actually about to upgrade from the S8 MaxUltra to the saros 10r!

S8 I had to take tangles out weekly. Very little to no tangling with the 10R

I bought the S8 Max Ultra and love it. It’s keeping my floors basically spotless with 2 kids and 3 dogs

Ditto. It is impressive and effective 

Roborock. I have a q5 and an S8 Max v ultra. Both awesome machines.

IME, with three rabbits running around, both Roborock and iRobot's offerings do a great job of getting hair (and rabbit poops) up. iRobot does a better job emptying the bin (it has internal sensors to tell it when the bin is full and better vacuuming out of the bins because it will return when full rather than at a set interval). Roborock does a better job at mapping and obstacle avoidance. The iRobot I had had scars from slamming into the edge of the couch, could take a couple days to map out, and would lose the map every couple of weeks. The Braava mop was great at mopping - couldn't manage the map for shit though. My Roborock is set on high sensitivity and hasn't hit anything, and manages to avoid cords and socks. Having run both a iRobot S7 and a Roborock S8 Max ultrawhatevertthefuckthey'redoingwiththeirSKUnaming - the S8 is, overall, much less hassle. Its easy to break the vacuuming up into jobs and just manually empty the bin after each compared to hoping the map doesn't self-delete every week.

Within 4 months of getting this vacuum I have had these issues and was wondering if they are systemic: Key Faults: 1. Filter System Failure: Does not empty automatically, requiring manual intervention after every use. This is intermittent but recently has been for days at a time. 2. Cleaning/Drying Failure: Frequently fails to wash or dry the mopping pads, leaving floors dirty/wet. 3. Navigation Defect: Regularly gets stuck against walls/objects with no actual blockage, halting operation. My last roborok I had for 4 years before it conked out. This one is a dud less than 12 months in. I am trying to get my money back (currently arguing with JBHIFI the device has exhibited multiple faults that constitute a major failure under Australian Consumer Law (ACL).) but I am worried if we get another one we will also only get 12 months out of it. Meanwhile my Miele vacuum has been going for 13 years with no issues. Not one. And we are on our 4th robovacuum.

3 cats and a dog. Have a Roborock s8 max which does a great job

I have the roborock s8 max v ultra but I wish I had waited and gotten the new curve one. It’s ok but the specs on the curve are so much better. I’ll probs wait for the new models next year that should come out Q2 2025. I have 2 British shorthair cats that have a lottttt of shedding.

I have two robos. The s8 max v ultra has been phenomenal. Self empty vac, but you need to fill the water tank yourself which takes 30 seconds. Check it out.

It’s because everyone’s situation is so different. One person prioritises mopping, another vacuuming. Different families, different floor plans…. You really have to know what matters to you and then I found the Just a Dad and vacuum wars videos could help me refine what was going to be the best choice for me. (It was a Roborock S8 Max V Ultra - owned for over a year, still absolutely love it).

I have the Roborock S8max and it does all of that except 2 inch climbing. Very few can do that without a robot ramp. However you can pick mine up and set her loose on another floor so if you’re willing to pick her up to go into that room you’d be good. Mine does a self empty and does a great job with corners and baseboards and cleans up even pretty fine dust (I have three dogs who bring a lot of dirt in) and hair. Mine was $420 or so, it said it was a sale but I suspect it’s on sale almost constantly.

The Roborock S8 Max V Ultra (the one with the dock) is truly outstanding! It pairs wonderfully with Home Assistant, making my life so much easier. I've created convenient buttons on my tablet throughout different rooms - just a quick tap and this helpful robot gets right to work! Couldn't be happier with this setup.

I have three roborocks (Saros 10R, S8 Max V ultra, S8 Pro Ultra) with the oldest being two years old now. All three have built in auto dispensers. Besides using roborocks floor solution I've used any european floor cleaning solution brand you can think off and everything has been fine so far. Only drawback from from some of the non roborock solutions is that they do sometimes make the mops smell bed. Only thing I stay clear off is using cleaning products which have alcohol in them as that can eat up the rubbery bits inside the dock and robot.

I have had 3 roborocks over the years and they have worked great! My S7 max V ultra travel 180miles before I upgraded to the S8 Max V ultra. Had my S4 since it came out over 8 years ago and still use it for our basement. Also have the Dyad. Roborock makes the best robot vacuums by far.

You really can’t go wrong if you are willing to spend $1000+ and pick a flagship model. My personal experience is Narwal Freo Z Ultra has the best AI avoidance for things like cords or strings. The brush is also tangle free, allegedly. So that would be great for your cats. Get it at Costco so you can return it if it breaks two years from now or you just don’t like it. Currently on sale too for about $400 off. My second choice would Eufy S1 Pro if mopping is the most important to you. Wait for it to go sale at Amazon for $999. Its AI avoidance is very good, but carpet performance suffers. I’d recommend Roborock but I haven’t owned one yet that doesn’t run right over cords. I have the S8 Max V Ultra. No experience with Dreame or Ecovacs/Yedi. Stay away from iRobot.

Another vote for the Q Revo with full self emptying and self mop washing/drying. The price hurts, but got it for black friday a year ago so it wasn't quite so nuts. And for whatever reason it does all the same stuff as the S8 max or whatever they call it, just with spinny mops instead of vibrating, for much cheaper. Also have the LG self-emptying stick vacuum. At least for our household, we've learned that lowering the barrier to quick cleanup was by far the best way to get us to actually clean. With our old stick and robot vacs, having to empty the dustbin and for basically every use meant it was enough of a hassle that we would just not clean as often. The self-cleaning are certainly not maintenance free, but make it more of a monthly deal. And the roborock app is pretty great, sometimes a little finnicky but better than others I've tried, and HA integration is straightforward enough to get the basics working. I have a dashboard with buttons that just send it to individual rooms which is good enough. Eventually will make some toggles to select multiple rooms at once.

Auto refill Drain is a must. Currently have the roborock S8 Max V ultra with auto refill/Drain. Is there an offering with better mopping capability. Considering moving that one up to the second level bedrooms (all hardwood/tile). We have a dog non shedding small but that brings in paw prints and 3 kids. our first floor is 1000sq/ft open floor plan all hardwoods except one wool carpet that I created no go zone and vacuum with a canister vacuum. Small Object detection isn’t as important as I put all the dining chairs up, ottomans etc and pick up all the stuff off the floors before running the vacuum. It’s essentially a wide open space. The most important in priority is great mopping, creating zones, edge vacuuming, aesthetics (smaller charging base like the roborock). . it looks like my options are the Dreame X40, Eufy Pro, Narwhal Freo z (bonus sold at Costco) are there any other options? Will the Saros series with the refill/drain come to the US? I can wait if there is something better coming up from another brand down the pipeline.

Yes but try and go for the s8max or s8maxv, when on sale they are pretty cheap these days

Obstacle avoidance sucks on ALL roborocks coming from the i7 here as well. I must say everything else is spectacular. Plus, the parts last a lot longer without having to change them. How about my dust bag? I need to replace more often, but that only tells me that this robot is picking up debris my Roomba missed. I had an i7 and the M6 mop. Now I own the S8 Max V ultra and it’s a game changer. I can get the house cleaned in half the time.

We have a roborock s8 ultra maxv something. Has a camera, AI and Lidar. Pretty damn good at obstacle avoidance and has a blade inside for hair.

Ours (X1 Omni) is about to be passed on to the next unlucky sod who’ll have to cope with its demented behaviours that can only be solved temporarily with off-and-on-again. We’ll have a Roborock S8 Ultra instead.

S7 / S8 Ultra docks have an extra complex mop washer which is not needed in a Qrevo. It tends to get messy in the dock tray and the thing is hard to clean because it's not removable. Furthermore it makes the docks expensive and thus less economical. If you can't stand your appliance being covered with residue, don't buy. The revo tech needs less maintenance.

The fact that I can't action routines from Alexa is annoying me right now. Performance wise, its been great and a signifcant improvement from my old Neato

So I can currently say Alexa clean the kitchen, for example - this will make the my S8 Ultra do one pass (cycle) and mop the kitchen, which is fine. However if I go into the Roborock app I have routines saved for clean kitchen, with 3 cycles instead of 1. I need/want a way of being able to trigger the saved routines I have within the Roborock app via alexa [https://forum.roborock.com/discussion/6241/how-do-i-ask-alexa-to-start-a-roborock-routine](https://forum.roborock.com/discussion/6241/how-do-i-ask-alexa-to-start-a-roborock-routine)

Roborock S8 ultra. We love it. Runs every other day, vacuum and mop. Have had it about a year and a half

We just got an S8 Ultra and it's great. The mop does a decent job but stuck on or big messes need manual intervention. With things that are stuck we have success in just pretreating with cleaner and letting it sit and then telling the robot to mop the area.

While robot vacuums do not replace hand vacuuming or mopping from a "deep clean" perspective, the Roborock S8 Ultra has turned those into an 'every other month' activity for my pet-owning household. YMMV depending on what it would need to tackle for your home, but the in-depth customisation and time saved has made it the best appliance I've spent money on in the last few years. YouTube channels 'The Hook Up' and 'Vacuum Wars' do good comparison videos and might help you get an idea of what you can expect.

Lmao these numbers i bought an s8 refurbished with 20 hrs usage for 200 and it changed my life

ThW s8 line from roborock is great.

Also have an s8 with vibrarise. I’ve read that the super “in” dual rotating mops aren’t proven to be better than vibrarise. What I will say is that I think mops on robot vacuums are still a “maintainer/extender” feature than a true mop up stains type of feature. If you manually mop, the s8 will make it so you have to do it less often. It’s not a replacement for that first initial manual mop. Besides that, I’ve enjoyed the s8 as it was an upgrade from my original s4. Obstacle avoidance is pretty good, although, I’m just used to tidying up before running it now a days.

I have 4 cats and we use a RoboRock 8 or 9. My bedroom is the only one it's not allowed in because the sound of it gets on my nerves, but it's noticeable when I do my weekly bedroom vacuums compared to the rest of the house. The only place there is still har around the house is when the furniture sits and blocks the robovac. Otherwise it's doing a fantastic job

Trust me you don’t need to drop $1800 on a robot vacuum. Any decent flagship Roborock will do, S8s or one of the higher end Q Revos. Saros is great but again you don’t really need them. Would avoid the other ones.

I have had my new Saros 10R for a bit over a month now and I am so obsessed with it I keep recommending it to all of my friends. I have two floors, with an S8 upstairs that I really liked. Until now, I used to carry it downstairs whenever I needed it. The 10R caught my attention, especially for its rotating mop system. Even though it is almost 4 times the current price of the S8, I’m really happy with it. In the end, it’s the price of an iPhone, but it’s truly an excellent robot that I use every day ✅ **The advantages**: • **The battery!!** Lasts MUCH better than the S8. It cleans 100m² in one go without any problem, even on high vacuuming modes. • Very effective even on carpets. I groom and sometimes trim my dog’s hair on the carpet and it vacuums everything quite well! It lifts its mops before going over them and can even leave them at the base. • Avoids obstacles (cables, clothes on the floor, etc.) *way* better than the S8. I would always have to make sure there’s no socks on the floor with the S8 otherwise it’d get stuck in it most of the times. • The rotating mops clean my floors really well! S8 was pretty bad at mopping ( still better than what I used to do myself). They’re automatically washed with hot water and dried after use. I checked several times, and they really do come out clean and dry. • Not too noisy. It’s a bit loud when rinsing the mops, but it doesn’t last long. The cleaning is less loud than the S8. It also has a silent mode, which is good enough to watch TV but not to have an online meeting in the same room IMO. • Much more precise and careful around walls! It doesn’t bump into them. • Lots of customization options, especially for water usage in each room, perfect for wooden floors. • Somehow manages to fit underneath my super low bed, which I struggled to clean myself with a regular vacuum cleaner. ❌ **What I don’t like: ** • The base is huge (but looks nice, luckily!). Note that I haven’t had any other bases before so I can’t compare with what size they normally are. • Sometimes it still gets stuck between chairs or in spots where, at this price range, I had hoped it wouldn’t. But this is really occasional. • Once in a while it’s overly cautious: if my dog is in the way or if there’s a tight passage, it can hesitate too much, waste time, and sometimes even decide to just return to the base instead of doing its job Nothing else to complain about: honestly, I don’t see how they can make the next one better! If you’re hesitant about getting it, I I really recommend it. I wasn’t unhappy with my S8, but this is just on another level. Best purchase of the year for me!

If all you care about is the vacuuming performance, the dyson robot vacuum is the best performer (especially against fine dust and deep carpets), If you want other commodities/features, then the roborock S7 is good. The s8 and newer units have more features but decreased vacuuming performance. I wouldn't get a roomba unless you value support/warranty the most, irobot vacuums aren't the best anymore but they do support their machines for a long time and support is better than what you will get with roborock/dreame/dyson. Regardless of what you choose, modern robot vacuums will do a good job.

No it's not bad advice, vacuumwars tests are often not representative of real world scenarios and fail to mention some of the degradation modern releases have had over older robot vacuums. To be fair, on his review of the S8, he did mention the reduction in performance over the S7, however, he didn't showcase how bad it is compared to the old S7 (particularly against deep carpets and tiled floors). You can see what I mean on this channel: [https://youtu.be/VVnX3uhBiTQ](https://youtu.be/VVnX3uhBiTQ) , the owner uses multiple carpets of different density and materials, uses certified test dust along with other challenges that you'd expect robot vacuums to be able to deal with (tiled floors, hard floors, etc). You can find similar reviews on asian blog posts (chinese & japanese in particular), where roborock gets way more critiques for overhyping their products and reducing the quality of new releases while having zero after-sales support.

Looks Like an S8 , Amazon had them on sale last week for $350 (white only) I picked one up too. Seems like this is the last standalone model they offer. All the new series are only offered with a dock that will do self emptying and other fancy stuff.

I have had excellent results with Roborock S8s and Saros 10R with Home Assistant. All of my Roborock app routines were fully integrated into Home Assistant as entities. Now I can run every aspect right from Home Assistant, and by extension, through Alexa using voice routines. This is fantastic! I have used other robovacs with home assistant, but I have never had them integrate so well! Since Roborock robovacs are the only thing I am qualified to talk about, I will make some suggestions. I, personally, would avoid automatically detangling roller brushes. They do detangle very well. But they do not clean as well, especially with lots of pet hair and on rugs and carpets. The dual roller systems take a few minutes to maintain, but they clean much, much better than the single split roller systems that auto detangle. Personally, I would seriously consider something along the lines of a Roborock Qrevo Master. It is a great compromise between dock automation and good vacuuming ability. It has the dual rollers systems for excellent vacuuming, a mostly automated dock, but it does make some compromises. It is a bit more than you want to spend. But it is an excellent system that offers a lot at a much lower price than other models.

That depends entirely on what kind of obstacles and thresholds you need to overcome. Keep in mind that these are primitive cleaning machines, even the fancy, expensive ones. Expecting much more from them is a bit ridiculous. The only reason to get the new, fancy navigation system with better obstacle avoidance is if one's home is a mess and/or there is a risk of pet waste on the floor. The new navigation system is only a bit better, not much better than lidar. And it is far from perfect. I pick all the stuff on our floors up (mostly cat toys) before vacuuming anyway. The fancy obstacle avoidance features are wasted on me. I have a Saros 10R. I much prefer my old lidar S8s for their significantly better vacuuming ability and because they are much faster at getting the job done. Shiny floors with reflections, mirrors, strange carpet patterns and more all mess with the navigation system in the Saros 10R. It may be better, but to me it feels like the machine is insecure, hesitant and spends too much time futzing around with anything it doesn't like. I want it to move along and get the job done. The Saros 10R also wanders around the house once in a while before picking back up and getting back on task. The new navigation system is very cool, but I find it annoying to use in practice. How big are your thresholds? I have a big one beneath the door from our house into the garage. The Saros 10R can climb over this one and our S8s cannot. Otherwise, we have several other thresholds in our house that are over an inch tall and are all right angles (nothing that looks like a ramp at all). Our S8s may not be graceful at it, but they always get over them. I have one threshold which is closer to an inch and a half. I made a little ramp for it that works very well and looks like it belongs where it is. It looks nice in our home. Our S8s climb this ramp just fine. In case this is useful, if one removes the mops or leaves them in the dock when vacuuming only, a robovac can climb thresholds better than with its mops attached. All the cool stuff in the marketing videos are all done under ideal conditions. Please do not expect anything like what you see in the videos to work that well in the real world. Lastly, a robot vacuum cleaner is simply a vacuum cleaner with some cool features. If it can't vacuum clean very well, it isn't useful to me. For me, the Saros 10R was a very fancy, impressive, expensive mistake. A Qrevo Master for $700 less would have served me much better and left me with a cleaner house. Here is an idea! Get a Qrevo Master and I will trade you my Saros 10R for it! 😁 I hope this helps!

We have pets, people with long hair, and lots of hair in our house. Our charging dock only, base model $350 Roborock S8s with 6000Pa of suction power vacuum cleans much, much, much better than our $1500 Roborock Saros 10R with 18500Pa of suction power.

Lots and lots of hair can be a problem for any robovac. They are very small machines with very small dustbins. Anything with decent vacuuming ability will require more frequent maintenance. A Qrevo Master should do a great job, but there is the possibility it may not. For anything you choose in the end, I suggest you thoroughly vacuum your home with a good upright first, before you start using the robovac. From there, use your robovac often!!! I suggest at least every other day. Check you dustbin often before it gets emptied by the dock. If it is about 2/3rds or more full before the dock empties it, increase the emptying frequency so that the robovac returns to the dock more often for emptying. Also, make sure the suction in the dock is set to maximum when it empties the robovac dustbin. Any robovac with a self emptying dock has an extra tiny dustbin. Sometimes vacuuming huge amounts of hair can be achieved more successfully with something like a $350 base model, charging dock only S8. It's dustbin is much larger. This means you will have to empty it yourself. But the robovac will go much further before this is necessary. I use two basic S8s. Each vacuums half of my house. When they are done, I take them to my garbage can and empty the dustbin. Then I remove the rollers, pull of the ends and remove the wound up hair. I also use two air filters in rotation. The dirty one gets rinsed well under hot tap water and is set aside to dry for at least 48 hours. A clean, thoroughly dry one is put back into the dustbin and you are ready to roll. This should be done with any robovac weekly. It sounds like a lot, but it really isn't. It takes me a few minutes and it is very easy to do. For this effort, I get excellent vacuuming ability and I do not have to spend 90 minutes vacuuming our house. The most important thing for me is that I do not have to revacuum my house with an upright after the robovac is done. I hope this helps!

Vacuum cleaning ability on rugs and carpets is the most important aspect of a robovac for me. I have a Saros 10R. It is a very mediocre vacuum clean no matter what settings are selected. I have other much cheaper robovacs that vacuum clean much better than the Saros 10R. If you need either fancy features, a fully automated dock and run the risk of having animal waste on the floor, I would consider a Saros 10 or 10R. They also excell at fitting under things because they are so thin. If vacuum cleaning rugs and carpets is of prime importance, I would stick with a Qrevo or S8. More specifically, I would stick with any model that has dual rubber rollers. One has to spend two minutes maintaining them after a large cleaning, but they do an excellent job. No amount of fancy, automated features, or a roller that automatically detangles hair, can make up for a mediocre vacuuming job on rugs and carpets. Avoid the split single rollers! Go for the dual rollers! If you only have hard floors without any rugs or carpets, almost and robovac will do a decent job and you have far more options! I hope this helps! I would much rather live without my Saros 10R (US$1500) than one of my S8s (US$350)!!!!!

Yes, laminate is not real wood, and I can mop as often as I want. It is very different than hardwood floors. The ability to follow floor directions came within the last two generations of robovacs. Both my Roborock S8s and my Saros 10R have this setting. Other robovacs from other manufacturers also have this setting. Not all do, but it is no longer uncommon.

There is no best robovac. There are no miracle machines. They all have strengths and significant weaknesses. How well we learn to use their strengths to our advantage and overcome their weaknesses plays an important part in our success with any robovac. But, we all still want and love them! All robovacs, no matter how fancy and expensive, are made with cheap plastic parts. They are not built to be durable at all. They have just enough computing power and memory to get the job done. This applies to all manufacturers. A $1500 robovac only has $150 worth of cheap parts in it, just like our cell phones. They can only do 90-95% of the floor cleaning job. The rest is always up to us. All robovacs with auto detangling rollers and over about 10KPa of suction power vacuum poorly, especially on rugs and carpets, compared to the previous two generations of robovacs. But they do navigate, avoid obstacles, auto detangle hair, and mop very well. What this means is that the more convenient and maintenance free a robovac is, the poorer it vacuums. This is the current reality of the industry. We have collectively selected convenience and laziness over performance, and the market has responded accordingly. It would be very helpful if you describe your needs a bit more. Do you have hard floors, rugs, carpets, tall thresholds, multiple floors, pets and people with long hair, etc. This would be very helpful in making a recommendation that may address your specific needs. Since you specifically mention mopping ability as important to you I will mention that good mopping depends almost entirely on good vacuuming ability. If your floors have been thoroughly vacuumed first, all current mopping systems work well if floors are vacuumed first and then mopped very often. Most current mopping systems do not pick anything up from the floor. They just wipe the surface with a damp pad. Mopping with any robovac is more like adding a shine and finish rather than a deep cleaning. No robovac is good at big messes yet, and they are usually best cleaned up ourselves. One thing of note is that since all mopping sustems perform well and are dependant on good vacuuming, how the mops are cleaned becomes the biggest factor. Spinning mops require a very simple, easy to maintain and low maintenance mechanism that is very effective to clean the mops. Both vibrating pads and roller mop systems require more complicated mechanisms. I don't like the ones for vibrating pads. They require the most maintenance. Roller mops are the way of the future. In a year or two, all robovacs will use roller mops or something similar in my opinion. But current roller mop systems have not convinced me yet. For the time being, I prefer spinning mops. Just keep in mind, that if your priority is vacuuming ability, like mine is, you need to look back at older, simpler robovacs that require a bit more weekly maintenance. It is not all that time consuming or difficult, but it does have to get done. This is the cost of good vacuuming performance, and ultimately leads to good mopping performance. I use a pair of $350, base model, charging dock only Roborock S8s for all of my vacuuming. Each one does half of our house. I do this because they vacuum very, very well, especially on rugs and carpets. I also have a Roborock Saros 10R. It is very impressive in so many ways, and it mops very well. But it is a terrible vacuum cleaner compared to my S8s. I only use it to vacuum our garage floor because I don't care about it as much as the rest of the house. Otherwise, it is a very fancy, very expensive mop. The reasons it vacuums so poorly are described above. I hope this helps!

The key to good mopping is always good vacuuming first. Our cheap S8s do a really great job vacuuming stuff out of the cracks between our laminate floor panels. We get a lot of cat litter stuck in our floor cracks all the time. The simple rubber rollers do a great job getting the cat litter out. Only very rarely do they leave anything behind. Fortunately, once the floors have been thoroughly vacuumed, any mopping system including vibrating pads, spinning mops and roller mops do an excellent job. Appempting to mop any floor with a robovac that has not been thoroughly vacuumed first is pointless and may even lead to scratches in the flooring. Roller mops probably do the best job over all, but if the floors get regularly vacuumed and mopped, and especially if the floors get thoroughly vacuumed before mopping, the practical difference in the results between mopping systems is almost meaningless. Good vacuuming first is far more important than the mopping system itself. I hope this helps!

If you don’t need the best of the best obstacles avoidance then, Have you checked QRevo Curv and edge ? They should be in the 1K ballpark too and they have anti tangling roller and side brush plus the dock is easier to maintain, smth I don’t mind in my S8 but you having 3 kids might be smth you consider. As others mentioned discard the Z70 it has a lot of compromises for the arm.

Depends on your flooring and needs If carpets - Roborock - best vacuuming particularly if you pair it with an auto empty dock (most newer models) If hardwood and no pets (Read not an inordinate amount of vacuuming) - Eufy S1 Pro - Best mopping hands down along with pretty good vacuuming

I have Roborock S7/S8, it's very reliable and worth the price. I've had it for 4 years now. Just need to keep the sensors clean and filters monthly.

Second the OP.  I'd recommend getting a Roborock or similar with self emptying vacuum. It works best on hardwood floors. Carpet not so much. Look into robots with high suction power. Like the other OP, you will still need to dyson up nooks and crannies manually, but the ability to schedule frequent self vacuum in high traffic areas cuts down on your workload significantly.  The self mopping feature imo is not worth it, but maybe the newest models have improved.  From experience, you will want robots that can detect animals (I've seen videos where the robot runs over the dogs tails, gets stuck, and terrifies the dogs). Also look for ones that can detect objects like poop, so you don't come home to a Jackson pollock painting. Look into the clearance height of the robot as well, and compare to your furniture if you are looking to have the robot go under couches and stuff. For example, our roborock barely fits under the couch, and even with 1 cm clearance, will avoid going under the couch if it detects the under-couch fabric is hanging too low (we fixed this by reholstering the bottom of the couch). Worth mentioning if you work from home that the self emptying vacuum feature can get loud, but it is usually very brief and you should be able to schedule emptying times. The robot vacuum companies get you on the replacement parts, which are not cheap. You do get what you pay for though, and routine maintenance (cleaning sensors, replacing brushes, untangling hair from rollers) goes a long way in longevity. I haven't found a robot vacuum that does not pick up hairs in the dog roller yet, so expect to periodically open up the robot to remove hair (usually very easy). For replacement parts, you can go third party for cheaper. Especially so when buying replacements for big brand/popular models. For example, you can get an unofficial 5 pack of vacuum bags for the self emptying vacuum for the same cost as 1 official one (or something like that). For carpets, I'd just go with those manual carpet brushes. Picks up way more hair more efficiently than any vacuum. Just my 2 cents. 

Roomba's have pretty subpar mapping & navigation compared to most other brands. We have one (older) Roomba that relies on VSLAM for navigation and one Roborock that uses LiDAR; the difference is night and day. I would avoid iRobot on that alone until they change their tech.

For the price (£250) I am very impressed with mine. Its got LiDAR, a mop, empties itself, etc. Its really neat to watch on the app as it goes about your house and maps it out. Its only gotten stuck twice, and both times were on the same chair that has horizontal bars at floor level that it can get over if it runs at it head on, but can high side itself if approaching from an angle. Definitely does not replace vacuuming as a whole though as it just cant physically get into the corners, and the vacuum itself isnt enough to really suck stuff out of the carpet, more just pick up things on top. I treat it more like a broom than anything else, but having a pet it helps me keep on top of things.