Roborock - Saros 10

Check out the youtube channel Vacuum Wars, he does a ton of comparisons and yearly roundups. I have one of the more recent Roborock ones where the roller on the bottom is split in the middle, and hair rolls inward (they call it DuoDivide). I have found it to do a good job of not tangling due to the way it's designed and it has worked great for me, though the thing definitely wasn't cheap. That being said, I wouldn't call almost any electronic device BIFL, especially ones with a lot of moving parts.

Hard floors or carpet? I have the Saros 10 with duo divide and it does an excellent job of not getting tangled, but it also doesn't actually pick up the hair off of carpet and rugs. So it's great for hard floors, but for my carpeted upstairs I use a Roomba because untangling once a week or so is worth actually getting the floor clean.

Thank you very much. Great detailed response. I think I may get the 10 instead of the 10R based off your experience. I was also looking to get one for my parents, and so far at least people have said the Saros app is better/ easier to use.

Bald dogs 😂 You asked this at just the right time when anti-tangling tech has essentially matured in robot vacuums. Dreame (DuoStream or TriCut brush), Narwal (conical brush), and roborock (DuoDivide) offer great antitangling solutions for their main and side brush. It’s become cheaper too as this feature has matured.

How tall is the piece of transition? For a single one up to 30mm, the roborock models with the AdaptiLift chassis (the most expensive QRevo Curv/Edge and the Saros line). Anything higher up to 4.2cm, if a threshold is less than 9cm long (5.2cm if it is at least 9cm long), will need the Dreame X50 Ultra or any equivalent MOVA model (V50 Ultra). I am aware that Dreame's L/X50 Ultra and any model (such as MOVA's V50 Ultra or the rare UK-only Dreame L40s Pro Ultra) that uses dual conical brushes has a *live fur compression* feature (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOOU0uJsVdU), which helps mitigate the issue of pet fur clogging the dustbin, even though the space isn't fully utilized. I saw it in action, and I think it lives up to its claim. It also cleans its filter when auto-emptying. This should be helpful for homes with heavy shedders such as yours\~ For paw prints, I think a robot that can identify messes like this and act accordingly would be important too. Dreame and Narwal do well with this if you turn on certain functions, such as their smart cleaning mode and intelligent mess detection.

Many robots cannot mop with warm or hot water. This is currently a new feature on upright vacuum mop combos. Currently there is only hot water mop washing on most models. The roborock Saros 10 claims to mop with hot water up to 70° and the Saros 10R claims to mop with warm water. I am skeptical of this claim as it doesn’t use a roller mop where it feasibly could live up to this claim. There is the upcoming MOVA Z50 Ultra that can mop with constant 36° water as it has a track type roller mop which makes this claim achievable. Generally, most robot vacuums also do fail when it comes to living up to the hot water mop washing claim. Dreame made models do reach the advertised temperature but it is mainly only for a moment and it’ll usually be washing the mops with lukewarm to warm water In the EU market, I’d recommend Xiaomi as the most cost effective robot vacuum mop combo brand unless you’d like the extra bells and whistles such as hot water mop washing + mop extension where it’ll be better to consider brands like dreame. Most of its combo models are compatible with the anti-tangling dreame TriCut brush. It works well in my home with a long haired corgi and people with long hair. The Xiaomi x20 pro looks rather nice. For obstacle avoidance, please tidy up your cables. Most LDS-only robots are rather stupid when it comes to reflective or transparent walls. I recommend models with good obstacle avoidance if your cat makes messes robots cannot clean and must avoid at all costs. This usually requires RGB cameras. If the best obstacle avoidance is what you’re looking for: Narwal Freo Z ultra or any of their RGB camera enabled robots. It currently seems to have the best (not perfect!) smart cleaning mode. Its strength lies in its good mopping and anti-tangling but sadly not vacuuming. Dreame RGB camera enabled models starting from the X30 Ultra and onwards. MOVA is a subbrand of dreame so RGB camera enabled robots from the P10 Pro Ultra and newer will perform similarly as it will use the same obstacle avoidance software. Dreame is a rather good all rounder combo robot with the best edge cleaning. Antitangling performance is also rather good. Eufy S1 Pro and other models that will use the “3D Matrix” binocular infrared 3D dToF sensor array. Roborock is also a good all rounder with the easiest app to use but it will not be as good avoiding obstacles such as cables and pet messes compared to other brands, especially on carpets. For self cleaning: Dreame/MOVA models with the AceClean dryboard where water jets are used to clean the mops. The x50 ultra will be best at self cleaning including cleaning its own filter when autoemptying but it is currently outside your budget. > dreame models that use the self driven wipers on the mop washboard ≈ roborock models using a mop washboard with motorized wipers ≈ NarWal’s mop washboard where they flush the washboard with water before and after washing the mops.

This is definitely not exclusive on the ecovacs X9 pro omni. Ecovacs is late to this feature. Models that can do this well: Dreame’s L/X40 Ultra and newer (assuming there’s an RGB camera), Narwal Freo Z Ultra; Roborock Saros series and CurvX, MOVA P10 Pro Ultra, P50 Pro Ultra, Z50 Ultra, V50 Ultra

Most high end robot vacuums have learned to avoid this area with some models marking it as “furniture likely to get stuck on”. If the chairs’ horizontal legs are shorter than 3cm, both the roborock models with Adaptlift and the Dreame X50 Ultra/MOVA V50 Ultra will lift themselves to get over it. If higher than 3cm, only the dreame X50 Ultra and the MOVA V50 Ultra can cross it.

What's your home like? Is it mostly hardfloors, carpet, or a mix of both? As for obstacle avoidance, the best options are the Dreame X/L40 Ultra and newer models, the Eufy S1 Pro, and the Narwal Freo Z Ultra. Roborock won't do as well for cables. If this isn't an issue, it'll be fine too. I don't recommend the roborock Z70, the Roborock Saros 10 and the QRevo Curv would be much better choices as accommodating the arm meant the cleaning performance had to be sacrificed. For corner cleaning, Dreame is the most aggressive in terms of its algorithm. Roborock is rather shy when it comes to cleaning corners with the extending side brush. I'm not sure about Eufy's E25/E28's extending side brush, but the square shape can make it harder for it to fit into corners if the algorithm isn't optimized. The Eufy S1 Pro and the Narwal Freo Z do not have as good corner cleaning capabilties.

Duo divide is incredible, more than a month of use without a single hair on the brushes. 2 cats and a long hair woman in the house.

Duo Divide roller is the best out there for long haired dogs I believe. (what the Saros 10 and 10r have)

"It knows and doesn't scratch itself". If you browse a bit this reddit, you will have bad surprised about the Saros 10, I've seen more than one that got scratched on top :( This said, interesting infos about the Z70 and the use of starsight vs lidar. Thanks for all the insights and sharing your knowledge :) I doubted A LOT like many of us between Saros 10 and Saros 10R and went with the Saros 10R for the starsight + easier dock to clean + no risk of having lidar error/turret that breaks and needs to be replaced. Personally, coming from the S7 MaxV, I'm amazed. What is really weird though, is that I received a defective unit first, with a main brush that broke in 3 days. The robot was fine the first 2 days but I was VERY underwhelmed in terms of performance, navigation etc (compared to my s7) What's interesting is that my new Saros 10R that has now been working for 7 days is like 10 times better than my old defective Saros unit, way faster, way smarter in the way it moves etc...and I tried both with the same firmware before updating to the latest one. I have no explanation, but the difference between the 2 Saros 10R was huge. As for the whole "duel" between Saros 10 and 10R, I guess it's just a question of preferences. I haven't seen a single test saying one is largely better than the other. Firmware update plays a big role as well in performance.

This can be quite tricky and im not entirely sure it can be done with only one robot, because the bots have a limit on how far from the dock they can go, and they dont tend to really love huge open spaces like this. But in any case i\`d probably recommend one of the Saros bots, either the 10 or 10R as they are the flagships and you would probably want that here.

I\`d go for the Saros 10! I have the previous model and im very happy with it!

Im very happy with it to be honest! It tackles all but the most stubborn spots. Just to set your expectations: A robovac will do 90% of the vacuuming maintenance in the house and will generally keep the floors clean enough but it\`s not yet a 1:1 replacement for say the monthly floor cleaning with a proper mop. It will ensure that you can put that off for longer, and it will make it considerably less dirty but it wont be spotless.

Saros 10 or 10R, the 10 uses a LIDAR based system while the 10R uses a TOF based system and has spinning mops!

Basically, if you want the best vacuum and obstacle avoidance, you will want one of the top bots! Currently the top dogs are the Saros 10 / Saros 10R and last years models the S8 MaxV Ultra and the Qrevo Egde / Curve. We mop A L O T and like, besides emptying the dirty water tank daily / every second day and refilling daily / every second day, i only have to do "deep maintenance" which involves washing the water filter (its hard plastic so no drying time) and washing underneat it and the smaller mop with a damp cloth, and thats for someone who does the deep+ program once a week. If you just do regular vac & mop, depending on how big of a house you have, and the program you use, you wont need to refill the water tank more than like every 3 days realistically, and it only takes like 30 seconds to do so! Feel free to DM me if you have more questions or just ask them here :)

So much this. I genuinely didn't realize how loud my J7 was till I got my Saros 10 yesterday lol

I have the Saros 10 with the Duo Divide roller. Literally, no hair gets stuck in it. It's something I've never experienced from a Robot vacuum before (from any company tbh)

We recently got the Roborock Saros 10 and it's so good. Super happy.

We’ve had the Roborock Saros 10 for just over a month now. We have one dog that sheds & a toddler that is in and out of the house all the time so our floors cop it with dirt, sand, grass etc. The Roborock holds up really well! I let it go once a day mostly, sometimes twice in select areas and it definitely looks and feels clean. The Saros 10 also gets under low lying furniture, which I absolutely LOVE!! Because then all the pet hair and dust that sits under furniture is no longer an issue

I posted a mini review of the Saros 10 on this subreddit and also in r/Roborock, check it out! Maybe it’ll help your decision a bit :)

I’ve been extremely happy with my Saros 10. Highly recommend.

Well, Roborock with Adaptilift would do the job (Qrevo Edge/Curve and Saros 10/10r) or Dreame X50 Ultra and Mova V50 Ultra. Most robot vacuums can climb up to 2cm, but that's the maximum limit, so you better choose the above models. Btw, I love your room layout. It looks very pleasant to my eyes.

Good. Now just compare Saros10R with Saros10 and you’re done…

There is only one answer to your first question: Duo Divide.

I bought the Saros 10 and the vibrating mop seems to work a lot better than I expected it would. I originally wanted the 10R but thought it would look ugly in my home so I bought the 10 that came in white with frosted glass. I think the S8 MaxV Ultra looks ugly too, so I wouldn't buy it personally, but if you're already spending $1200 I would just spend $1500 to get the nicest one with all of the features and presumably more time remaining for software updates. I also am not hurting for money so maybe that $300 means less to me than it does to you, but if that's the case then maybe consider one of the $800ish robots that do pretty much the same job. If you care enough to post about it on Reddit and have your sister import it from Europe instead of just buying whatever is local then you should probably just get the Saros 10 in my opinion.

I have the white Saros 10 and my experience with the mop has been similar. I was expecting to be a little disappointed but it’s actually really good.

I have the Saros 10 and a Golden Retriever. The previous S7 would tangle up but the Saros 10 does not. I really like the cleaning result and it makes relatively little noise.

Hey everyone, I'm in the middle of researching the Roborock lineup — specifically the Saros 10, 10R, and Z70. I’ve ended up going with the Saros 10, but I’m still super confused about all the conflicting reviews and tests, so I thought I’d share what I’ve found and maybe get your thoughts. For some context: (I feel like we can't test these robots as soon as they come out maybe wait abit get firmware done and a lot of other stuff because vacuum wars's testing was completely out of what other reviewers say) but we should come together as a community to see how we can minimise these inconsistencies. • I watched The French Glow, who loved the Saros 10. • Just a Dad Reviews also preferred the 10 over the 10R. • A few European robot vacuum websites had test results showing the 10 outperforming the 10R too. • Jamie Andrews also had the 10 doing better in cleaning tests, but at the end he said he’d personally go for the 10R, purely because he believes Roborock is moving forward with **Starsight Navigation**, since it’s in the Z70 (**this is incorrect**). • Meanwhile, Vacuum Wars had the Saros 10 performing terribly, which really threw me off. Honestly, based on the majority of the reviews I’ve seen, I think that test might need a redo. Now here’s where it gets interesting. I actually work in retail, and we recently had a couple of Roborock reps come in to train us, put stickers on the models, and give us the inside scoop. I straight-up asked him: “How would you rank the Z70, 10, and 10R right now?” His answer was: **Z70 > 10 > 10R** I then asked, “Why did you guys fit the Z70 with spinning mops and **Starsight** if it’s meant to be the best? Why not vibration and retractable LiDAR?” He explained: • LiDAR and mop arms were messing with navigation when the arm was up, as it’s a spinning light sensor, and it caused issues in their internal testing. They had to save space, so they stuck with **Starsight** on the Z70. • They didn’t go with vibration mopping due to weight and space constraints. • What I found interesting is that the Z70 doesn’t use Duo Divide, and they even said that Duo Divide was the better roller — so there are definitely trade-offs. • Overall, he said it was due to weight and space. • But in terms of all-round performance, he said the Saros 10 is currently the best cleaner overall. I even asked him why the 10 is better than the 10R. The 10 is technically the newer one as they have been out in China and there is a reason why they reverted back to lidar which he didn’t tell me but he said it has more suction power, a slightly better dock, and better mopping because it can put about 1kg of pressure on the floor when there are tough stains. It even has a little bumper on the top so when it’s under furniture and bumps into things, it knows and doesn’t scratch itself. I also told him, “Doesn’t the 10R detect more stuff?” and he just said no — same amount. Both use the same artificial intelligence trained on the same things to detect stuff. Also straight up told me the only thing the 10r does better then the 10 is that its dock is a lot easier to clean. But he also said you couldn’t go wrong with any of the Roborocks in their lineup — anything over 7000 Pascals will get the job done. He even told me that Pascals are pretty much just marketing. Also, something I didn’t know before: the “R” in 10R stands for the QRevo mop system, not “Roborock” or anything like that. As for me, I’m not too worried about “future-proofing” with **Starsight**. I usually upgrade my robot vac every 3 years, as I get product insurance on everything. So after the manufacturer’s warranty, I just put water in my robot and get the newest version out at that moment. I care more about current cleaning performance than long-term tech shifts. **TL;DR:** • Multiple reviewers (French Glow, Just a Dad, Jamie Andrews, etc.) rate the Saros 10 as better than the 10R. • Vacuum Wars says otherwise, but they seem like the outlier. • Roborock rep ranks Z70 > 10 > 10R, but admits there were trade-offs in the Z70 design. • I chose the Saros 10 — best cleaning performance today, and I upgrade every few years anyway. I hoped this helped pick your robot. 😀

The "duo divide" or something like that. Some of the 2024 models had that brush design too. Other ones that are good with hair are the narwal and the new eufys (e25/e28) have the same brush design.watch vacuum wars or the hookup they test handling of hair. That said I have an older roborock s6max and 2 golden retrievers. It picks up the hair pretty well I just have to clean hair off fairly regularly. And if it's been more than a day, I have to empty the bin multiple times per cleaning. I want to upgrade to a eufy e25 depending on the reviews.

I would go with duo divide. We have seen that going dual roller didn’t make any meaningful improvements for Roborock. This was My experience and many reviewers as well. The duo divide roller actually does greatly improve the capturing of hair without tangling. And the models that have this roller also have an improved side brush that tangles less. It’s a win win. Though the side brush doesn’t have the option to turn in for carpet. (Ahem - Roborock)

It's definitely an upgrade to the standard dragging a wet cloth. Flagship Saros 10 is using vibrarise too but its a bit more updated and has more vibration and downward pressure. Not sure how big of a difference in terms of performance it is compared to the S8. If you can find S8 for a good price then I think you wont be disappointed I also think when choosing between rotating and Vibration mops its about preference and what type of floor you have. The rotating mops are using more water I believe and could have a tendency to leave wet streaks on floors

I have a Saros 10 downstairs and a P50 upstairs. The Saros 10 is double the price and I can't see any difference after they clean. Both are very good.

It's a no Brainer Buy it And saros 10 is better than r because it has vibrating mop pad which are better I use s8 max v ultra Just buy saros 10 asap at this cost

Saros 10 will lift its chassis and make easy work of this

It's not an evolution. It's a compromise due to limited available body space. The Duo Divide is definitely one or two classes above. Saros Z70 is a toy. Saros 10 and 10R are hardcore cleaners.

If you need it to climb high thresholds, X50. Best climber in class. If you need your robot to go under cupboards or other furniture with less than 11cm clearance, Saros 10 might be the right one. But for me I don't really need all those expensive extras. I'd be happy with a Curv (or Edge if available).

That’s not true at all. Vibrating mop is better at getting really dried on stains better than spinning mops. So I guess if you’re the kind of person to see a spill, let it sit for 24 hours or decide you want to use a blow dryer on it for some fun reason, then yeah it might do better, but other than that, It does not clean the floor as well as it holds less dirt and smears more dirt around. The saros 10 does a good job for a vibrating mop but it still has to clean its mop way more regularly than a spinning mop if you want to get close to the same cleanliness. cleanliness of floor. They’re better than they were, but still not great.

Olá amigo, sou do brasil também. Um amigo trouxe um Saros 10R dos EUA terça-feira. Robô fantástico, eu sai de um Roborock S7. Eu pegaria o topo de linha mesmo, o Saros 10 no seu caso.

I have had a S8 MaxV Ultra for a year. I love it. I’ve had MANY other robots come through my house and none have compared to it. Not even the new Saros 10r. I had 2 of those and they were both awful. I would not recommend it at all. If you didn’t get the S8 the only other one I would say would be the Saros 10 (not the R though). I like the mopping on them far better than the spinning mops. I think the sonic mopping just cleans better. And I have 5 dogs, a cat and live in a dusty, desert area so I put them through the test.

I got one last year and love it!

FWIW X40(not even latest/greatest) spinning mop got 3.76 mopping on vacuumwars, where saros 10 got 3.38 for mopping, so even the 'latest greatest' vibrating doesn't beat last gen spinning. Not sure what 'proved' what you are saying.

I got the Saros 10 and love it

The 10 does a stupid good job vacuuming. It has literally brought an old rug back to life and fluffed it up with vacuum lines in it.

To be clear I'm talking about the 10, not the 10R

10R does not clean better than the 10 since the latter can put more down pressure hence better with though stains. 10R dock much more uncomplicated to clean as any other rotating system. The S8 maxv is quite expensive tbf at that price, I wouldn’t buy it for more than 900-1k probably. And 10 at that price also not worth it. Are you able to get the Curv or edge or even the QRevo master ? If it has to be absolutely those two then I would go for the 10 because it has the duo divide roller, lifts the side brush which is also tangle free, new robot and dock design, but I reckon prob most people would/should get the maxv

It isn’t. Saros 10 proved that wrong, unless you have really uneven floors

Spinning is not better than vibrating. Saros 10 proved that. Only if you have really uneven floor then spinning is better

Smarthomeassistant, poderak, justadad you can see there Saros removes stains in less passes

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Trust me you don’t need to drop $1800 on a robot vacuum. Any decent flagship Roborock will do, S8s or one of the higher end Q Revos. Saros is great but again you don’t really need them. Would avoid the other ones.

Mopping performance compared to the Q Revo‘s. Rotating mops are just superior and I think Roborock finally admitted this by moving away from vibrating mop pads on the Saros which will most probably become the S9. Otherwise it’s really great. 👍

You might not be happy with the build quality of the lower end series like the Q. Stick with Premium. I would get the S series or Saros. The Q series feels very cheap compared to the S plus it can handle the hair NP. It’s a more attractive unit too unless you like a shiny egg that looks like it came out of an 80s movie. lol