Roborock - Saros 10

I just tested and reviewed this one and gave it 3 out of 5 Stars. I was very unimpressed. Although I'm not done with my testing of the z70, it is not ready for prime time. The x50 was good, And I think that would be a fine purchase. I also highly recommend the saros 10r and 10. But... I was alone out of the water with the 3i S10 and no one talks about it.

I'm surprised how much I actually enjoy these threads. So I'm going to kill two of yours and reintroduce one. I don't think those are the right q revos to look at... If anything I'd say the max V. But I can make it easy because if you can afford the robots that you're talking about I think it comes down to four models. The s8 maxv ultra which shakes out to be the best of the S8 line. The curv, which is also excellent, but slightly different from the s8. Saros 10 Saros 10r Do you have thresholds? If so, get the 10. Do you have a lot of obstacles on your floor? Like a fan and lamps and furniture and other crap small spaces that the robot needs to go into? If so, get a 10r, even if you have thresholds. You don't have thresholds or small spaces, I would consider the S8 or curv, because they're excellent, and dramatically cheaper. And excepting the issue with thresholds, I'm not highly sold that the Saros are $700 better. And the best part is, there is no wrong answer. The main differentiator is the shape of the tower and that the curv has twin spinning mops and the s8 has a vibrating mop pad. Because you have ceramic tile, and I do too, that means you have grime. For that reason I recommend the s8. I believe the vibrating pad does better on grind

Hi. I review robots for a living. That store link was super helpful. My advice is simple: get a roborock. I think the S8 Maxv Ultra is a fantastic model, around $1000. The Saros 10/10R are also there, and also great. Personally, i prefer a mop pad, so I'd say the 10, not the 10R. The prices are close enough that I'd say the Saros might be worth these few $$. I don't enjoy either model you named...the Mova has cheap hardware, and the X9 was incredibly Meh in performance.

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Infact, robots worth the investment under $700 are rare, as I explain in [this post.](https://www.whatrobotvacuumshouldiget.com/2025/06/20/are-budget-robot-vacuums-worth-buying/) So these robots should be viewed as tech toys you're playing around with, rather than cleaning tools that will make your life easier. Buy whatever strikes your fancy, it's unlikely to be useful as a robovac, but might be a worthy cat toy. # Best vacuum under $300 People just don't talk about the Switchbots enough in here, and I wish I knew why. Aside from having a kick ass brand identity (chonky robots that bridge a technology gap for people), they are affordable and work better than most tech products out there. I'm a huge fan of their smart home sensors and the SwitchBot button. When I got the [K10+](https://lifehacker.com/tech/switchbot-k10-plus-robot-vacuum-review) to test about 18 months ago, I was just tickled. First, it's tiny. It's like an M&M roaming your floor. At 8 inches, it cuts a tight radius around your chair legs, and can get into tiny spaces. There's no advanced tech on here, it just does a bangup job vacuuming, and then returning to its humbly small self emptying dock. Sure, there is a "mop", kinda sorta... but its just a swiffer situation, and it sucks. Ignore it (easy to do). This is a vacuum, and can more confidently manage carpet (under your bed, too!) better than most I've tried. Sure, you'll have to unclog it occasionally, but that's what you get at this price. The pro took the suction from 2500Pa to 3000Pa, which doesn't seem like much, but I can go on for hours on a nerdy rant about how much suction doesn't really matter. Whichever you get, this is the bot to beat at this price. Sale is effective 7/8. |SwitchBot Mini Robot Vacuum K10+ Pro|$459.99|299.99|35%|[https://amzn.to/4lkV06z](https://amzn.to/4lkV06z)| |:-|:-|:-|:-|:-| |SwitchBot Mini Robot Vacuum K10+|$499.99|175.99|65%|[https://amzn.to/4eCVAdy](https://amzn.to/4eCVAdy)| # Best vacuum under $500 Embargo'd til 7/7 # Best vacuum under $700 Embargo'd til 7/7 # Best vacuum under $1000 Embargo'd til 7/7 # Best vacuum under $1200 People try to send me vacuums all the time, and because there are a giant wall of boxes in my house of robots to be tested, giving me anxiety, I need a reason to say yes. The only interesting nugget about the 3i when I agreed to test it was that it promised to never need a water refill. i'd just finished testing the narwal Freo Z, which has to be topped up a few times a day and an autonomous robot sounded fantastic. You shouldn't like the 3i. It looks like an exhibit in a kids science museum. It weighs like 50lbs, and there is nothing notable about the robot itself. it looks like a generic robovac. I was so blown away by the performance, I haven't shut up about it since. In the history of my testing, i have kept 3 robovacs, and this is one of them. I just place new robots I'm testing in front of it, because I'm not moving that Gdamn tower for anything, it lives there now. Theres the design: these 2 forward sweeps rotate inward, and have constant downward pressure on the floor. They're huge, and very effective. The roller doesn't get clogged. Let me repeat. I let it vacuum up dog toy floof. Mulch. Receipts. NOTHING deterred this robot. And the mop was very effective, too. Was it the best mop I've tested? No. But it ranks up there. And the water cleaning actually works, I know because for a week, we had it mop up anything we could think of. Vinegar. Black dye water. Maple syrup. Tomato juice. And not only was the resulting clean water tank crystal clear, I used PH strips to test it, and it remained stable. It just metabolized anything we ran it over. It's been a few months and I've never had to refill the water, not once. It's finally an autonomous robot, and for that, it'd be worth it at $1899. But for $1139, I don't need to think about whether its better to spend less on a high end Roborock, the 3i is cheaper. |3i S10 Ultra|$1899.99|$1139.99 w code: S10USAVE5|40%|[https://amzn.to/3GsRZlm](https://amzn.to/3GsRZlm)| |:-|:-|:-|:-|:-| # Best vacuum if you have no budget Embargo'd til 7/7 # Best vacuum if you have thresholds The good news, since many of you are trying to decide between the Saros 10/10r and the Dreame X50 Ultra, is that I can make it easy. Get the Dreame X50. You won't like the reason I recommend it, though. It's simple: the Roborock Saros 10 is not, for reasons I don't get, on Prime Day special, only the 10R is. While the 10 and 10r are [supposed](https://lifehacker.com/tech/roborock-saros-10-vs-saros-10r-robot-vacuum-comparison) to have very similar builds with a lifting chassis, they don't act like it. The 10 is a better robot than the X50, so if you can afford it, buy it. If not, the X50 is a fine robot. Genuinely. And I never got tired of watching it yeet itself over thresholds and steps. The AI onboard helped the robot get better over time at navigation, and if anything, my only complaint is that it had to return to dock all the time to top up or recharge, so cleaning a whole house took a long time to get done. 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But, if you absolutely, totally insist, (and the Switchbot K10+ tower isn't small enough for you, because that sucker will fit anywhere), I very reluctantly offer the Roborock Q10 S5. I hated the Dyson 360Visnav, and the iRobot Roomba 205 was a total flop. Roborock's budget line may not have the greatest quality build but atleast they work most of the time. |Roborock Q10 S5+|$549.99|351.99|36%|[https://amzn.to/44cLbS9](https://amzn.to/44cLbS9)| |:-|:-|:-|:-|:-| # Best vacuum if you have small kids Embargo'd til 7/7 # Best all around vacuum Embargo'd til 7/7

The 10 isn't going to go on sale, tho.... only the 10R. Now, I still think the 10 is a great vacuum, so don't be deterred. Honestly, I didn't think one was dramatically better than the other on carpet. Where I saw a difference was mopping and navigation. I prefer the vibrating mop on the 10, for sure. Don't get the deebot. If you do get the 10, here's an affiliate link to amazon, if you feel inclined. [https://www.eufy.com/products/t2353111?variant=44777910075578](https://www.eufy.com/products/t2353111?variant=44777910075578)

I can make it easy. Get the Roborock. The 10 works better.

So I have to explain my perspective on suction. Suction is good, more suction is certainly better, but people make suction the determining factor of whether they buy a vacuum when I have seen vacuums with 22, 000pa That don't do a great job. I'm more determining factor is how three parts of the robot interact. You have the sweeps which have to effectively get the debris towards the rollers. Then you have the rollers which have to sweep the debris that's in its path up but not allow the debris to get stuck, clogging the rollers. If they do their job right then the debris is perfectly positioned for the suction to pull it through into the debris canister inside. I could get really nerdy and talk about the size of the opening on the debris canister, And also how straight the tube is in the tower that evacuates the debris from the robot, but everyone would die of boredom. So, back to your question. Yes, the saros 10 has plenty of suction. But more importantly, those three parts play really well together. I love that split roller on the saros... It ensures that not a lot of debris gets clogged in the rollers. I think the new roborock sweep which just has those two arms is fine, I definitely preferred the 3i sweeps (there are two of them, they're so large that they are cartoonish looking, and they always have contact with the floor). But every single model of vacuum is different, because they're just too many factors at play. For instance, the eufy e25 and e28 should be fantastic. They've got the double sweeps that make contact with the floor. They have a split roller design. They have high suction. And yet the robot blows because the software sucks and it errors out all the time. It's why it's hard to judge a vacuum based on the stats alone.

There are two models that do this well. The Saros 10 and the X50. There are distinct differences between the two that will help you decide, since in terms of climbing, they're about the same. 1. The x50 has to return to base often to recharge/empty, more so than the Saros. It would take a whole day to get a 2000sqft home (these are champagne problems, but...) 2. You've got a real difference of cleaning techniques. The X50 has two spinning mop pads, the Saros has a vibrating mop pad. Now, I prefer a mop pad, gets more grime out. But... it can't extend beyond the robot, so the twin pads get close to walls, get under toe kicks, etc. 3. While they share the same features for the most part, the app experience on Roborock is preferable, IMO. Less adverts, etc. 4. Navigation wise, VERY comparable. In either case, wait for Prime Day.

Hey. I have textured white tile. It makes me INSANE, because grime settled into the pitted areas of the tile. Here's my advice, after testing 50 or so robots. It makes sense that the best results would be from the spinning mop pads, but they're the least effective. For reasons I am unable to explain, the vibrating mod pad seems to be the most effective, far better than roller mops. The vibrating does the best job, and some newer models like Saros 10/10R have the lifting chassis that seems to be a good job of putting downward pressure on the mop. That all said... its unrealistic to expect that the robot, any robot, will get grime off your tiles. The best you should hope for is that manual scrubbing will do that, and a robot can maintain it (more or less).

no. I'd go w the Saros. [Here](https://www.reddit.com/r/RobotVacuums/comments/1lr2zgt/comment/n1vhrkz/?context=3) are my recommendations on what to buy.

These models are SO discounted for PD, I wouldn't wait. Get the 10.

There is no perfect robovac.... but... I like the robots with split rollers, like the Roborock Saros line. These also have a removable tray, and I think the hardware is solid. But in reality, almost all premium robovacs and even the midtiers have these features (removable trays, etc).

CONGRATULATIONS. your life will immediately get better. The X50 and the Saros 10 are the best choices of what you mentioned. Here's why: [https://www.reddit.com/r/RobotVacuums/comments/1lu7dbu/every\_prime\_day\_robovac\_and\_recommendations/](https://www.reddit.com/r/RobotVacuums/comments/1lu7dbu/every_prime_day_robovac_and_recommendations/)

I have a Saros 10 downstairs and a P50 upstairs. The Saros 10 is double the price and I can't see any difference after they clean. Both are very good.

It's a no Brainer Buy it And saros 10 is better than r because it has vibrating mop pad which are better I use s8 max v ultra Just buy saros 10 asap at this cost

I think it looks nice - I’ve had problems with every roomba I’ve owned and most people I know generally don’t like their roombas. I’ve been super pleased with the S10.

Hard floors or carpet? I have the Saros 10 with duo divide and it does an excellent job of not getting tangled, but it also doesn't actually pick up the hair off of carpet and rugs. So it's great for hard floors, but for my carpeted upstairs I use a Roomba because untangling once a week or so is worth actually getting the floor clean.

I have used the flagships from all the main Chinese brands, but I wouldn't say that any one is, on whole, better than the Roomba J9 or C10. My main gripes with the Roomba are hair tangles on the roller spindles, lack of edge mopping, and a fast side brush that flings crumbs out of the path. Most recently I got a Roborock Saros 10 that does indeed address those issues, but it falls short in others. The Roomba scrubs dried stains more effectively and it vacuums more debris out of thick carpet. Even though hair can get tangled around the roller spindles, it actually picks up the hair off the carpet. No other brand has been able to effectively pick up hair/fur/fuzz off my carpet (I'm sure Dyson would be an exception, but it doesn't mop). The Roborock won't get close enough to my table pedestal to get the crumbs that have fallen there, which is a daily annoyance. Roomba has no trouble with this. Roomba has great integration with Google Assistant, so I can have it clean shortcuts/routines without having to take my phone out of my pocket. I haven't seen any other brand be able to do this. Roomba and Shark are the only brands that can effectively avoid dragging a wet pad across medium pile carpet. Other brands don't lift the pad high enough, and the idea of dropping off the pads is useless when you have to traverse across carpet to get to/from the place to mop. There are a lot of complaints that Roombas can't navigate in the dark. While LiDAR bots can navigate in the dark, good object avoidance still relies on cameras, which doesn't work as well in the dark anyway. So better to clean in the light anyway. So I think the Roomba c10 and the Shark Nevertouch Pro are both excellent choices that you shouldn't feel bad about. They will have annoyances, but so will anything else.

Coming from an S7 MaxV Ultra after 2 years and now an owner of an S10, I can say, the S10 is the better choice. Done a lot of research on it over the last 6 months, thought the R was the better one but... nope. Sadly the R has a lot more issues wich have to be sorted out. But anyways, got rugs almost in the entire house, a lot of them high, a long hair collie and We're 3 People. So far after 2 weeks of having one, I am amazed. Only got stuck once so far, and it was on a fan, else wise, haven't had to put up even single No Go Zone, the S7 needed about ... 8. Was 8 the Max? Idk. But it was getting stuck way to often. Also, if You got a place for the fresh and dirt water and You know how to hook it up or someone to do it for You, I'd recommend the one with the auto empty fixed water hook up. I've got My S10 with the waterhookup for 1400 bucks while it was on sale, maybe wait a bit longer and get one with even less work to do.

Saros 10 will lift its chassis and make easy work of this

Spinning mods are better from reviews I have seen and the Edge and Curv are same robot just different dock. Saros 10 i would rate 10/10 obstacle avoidance where the Curv/ Edge I would rate 6/10. Not a fan of the vibrarise mop but on Saros 10 it's noisy and can't do good edge cleaning. Both have same performance and same brush design. Suction power means nothing on roborocks these days they all rate the same on flow tests. Hard choice.

It's not an evolution. It's a compromise due to limited available body space. The Duo Divide is definitely one or two classes above. Saros Z70 is a toy. Saros 10 and 10R are hardcore cleaners.

If you need it to climb high thresholds, X50. Best climber in class. If you need your robot to go under cupboards or other furniture with less than 11cm clearance, Saros 10 might be the right one. But for me I don't really need all those expensive extras. I'd be happy with a Curv (or Edge if available).

Curv, Edge and Saros, all models with AdaptiLift can stretch their legs to go over long pile without getting stuck. But don't expect them do do any good vacuuming while being raised.

That’s not true at all. Vibrating mop is better at getting really dried on stains better than spinning mops. So I guess if you’re the kind of person to see a spill, let it sit for 24 hours or decide you want to use a blow dryer on it for some fun reason, then yeah it might do better, but other than that, It does not clean the floor as well as it holds less dirt and smears more dirt around. The saros 10 does a good job for a vibrating mop but it still has to clean its mop way more regularly than a spinning mop if you want to get close to the same cleanliness. cleanliness of floor. They’re better than they were, but still not great.

Olá amigo, sou do brasil também. Um amigo trouxe um Saros 10R dos EUA terça-feira. Robô fantástico, eu sai de um Roborock S7. Eu pegaria o topo de linha mesmo, o Saros 10 no seu caso.

you just hit all the spots in my head regarding the choices. a lot of ppl claimed roller is the best, while other ppl also said twin spinning pads ( Saro 10R) also worked/performed better than 10. However, based on your test/recommendation, you mentioned 10 was better than 10R. There are so many brands in the USA, and I was told by my friends that I should go for Roborock ( as the gold standard). Even when I checked Chinese social media, they roborock was also recommended. I was checking chinese social media, a lot of ppl said DJI Robo Vacuum is coming out in China, but not sure when it would hit USA market. I just need a Robo Vacuum could clean my hardwood floor in Living room as well as tile in the dining room and Kitchen. my dad clean them everyweek like Vacuum and mop with swiffer, so I just want something could minimize his tasks. right now i am jumping between Saros 10R and 10. as you suggested in another thread, 10 is great, but ppl said 10R base station is better because we could detach and clean it. regarding Saros 10R, how much downward force is applied when the spining pads are mopping?

I have had a S8 MaxV Ultra for a year. I love it. I’ve had MANY other robots come through my house and none have compared to it. Not even the new Saros 10r. I had 2 of those and they were both awful. I would not recommend it at all. If you didn’t get the S8 the only other one I would say would be the Saros 10 (not the R though). I like the mopping on them far better than the spinning mops. I think the sonic mopping just cleans better. And I have 5 dogs, a cat and live in a dusty, desert area so I put them through the test.

This can be quite tricky and im not entirely sure it can be done with only one robot, because the bots have a limit on how far from the dock they can go, and they dont tend to really love huge open spaces like this. But in any case i\`d probably recommend one of the Saros bots, either the 10 or 10R as they are the flagships and you would probably want that here.

I\`d go for the Saros 10! I have the previous model and im very happy with it!

Im very happy with it to be honest! It tackles all but the most stubborn spots. Just to set your expectations: A robovac will do 90% of the vacuuming maintenance in the house and will generally keep the floors clean enough but it\`s not yet a 1:1 replacement for say the monthly floor cleaning with a proper mop. It will ensure that you can put that off for longer, and it will make it considerably less dirty but it wont be spotless.

Saros 10 or 10R, the 10 uses a LIDAR based system while the 10R uses a TOF based system and has spinning mops!

Basically, if you want the best vacuum and obstacle avoidance, you will want one of the top bots! Currently the top dogs are the Saros 10 / Saros 10R and last years models the S8 MaxV Ultra and the Qrevo Egde / Curve. We mop A L O T and like, besides emptying the dirty water tank daily / every second day and refilling daily / every second day, i only have to do "deep maintenance" which involves washing the water filter (its hard plastic so no drying time) and washing underneat it and the smaller mop with a damp cloth, and thats for someone who does the deep+ program once a week. If you just do regular vac & mop, depending on how big of a house you have, and the program you use, you wont need to refill the water tank more than like every 3 days realistically, and it only takes like 30 seconds to do so! Feel free to DM me if you have more questions or just ask them here :)

So much this. I genuinely didn't realize how loud my J7 was till I got my Saros 10 yesterday lol

I have the Saros 10 with the Duo Divide roller. Literally, no hair gets stuck in it. It's something I've never experienced from a Robot vacuum before (from any company tbh)

FWIW X40(not even latest/greatest) spinning mop got 3.76 mopping on vacuumwars, where saros 10 got 3.38 for mopping, so even the 'latest greatest' vibrating doesn't beat last gen spinning. Not sure what 'proved' what you are saying.

It's a massive difference - day and night. We have two long-haired persian cats, and with my previous S7 MaxV I could either use the supplied silicon roller, which would tend to skim the film of fur off carpets into cloudy mats of fur that were still embedded in the carpet pile, or use the brush roller which would do a good job, but literally every room I'd need to completely detangle it at least once. Had the S10 with the DuoDivide for a couple of months now and the difference is incredible - it pulls all the cat hair out of the carpet and picks practically all of it up - what doesn't get picked up tends to be an occasional clump that's easily picked up by hand. I still expected to have to do some untangling from the brushes, but in two months of cleaning, I've not needed to clean the brushes once and they remain totally hair-free. I'd definitely spend the extra on a DuoDivide model in your situation.

I got the Saros 10 and love it

For reals finally gave up on the 10R in Canada and bought the 10 on sale , it’s amazing!

have the saros 10 with plumbing and connected to HA, automatically cleans when im not home

I posted a mini review of the Saros 10 on this subreddit and also in r/Roborock, check it out! Maybe it’ll help your decision a bit :)

I’ve been extremely happy with my Saros 10. Highly recommend.

Saros 10 I was underwhelmed by. As for the X9 Omni Pro I have been very impressed with it in real world usage. The mopping is exceptional and I have had no concerns regarding vacuuming. Where did it fall short in your testing?

I don't have much advice. But I was in the same boat. Settled on the Saros 10 Utility. And it's been fantastic.

I would strongly stay away from Z70 You can look at Dreame, but Saros 10, 10R and Q Revo Curv should be good

other than what u/UnderstandingNo5785 said, its very bad at cleaning when it comes to vacuuming. for 2000 dollar price tag you would expect better cleaning performance, but in tests it has performed really badly in vacuuming. saros 10 and 10r preform way better than it.

I have the same (or very similar) IKEA rug but in blue. My Saros 10 got stranded on it twice in the first week so I made it a no go zone. Fortunately it didn't stop it accessing anything else in our house.

Sorry it goes round it. Before I made the no-go zone It would sometimes climb onto it on flatter edges, but then it could get stuck and give up. I even bought it a little ramp but it knocked it out of position and trapped itself. A shame, but not a massive deal for me as it does the rest of downstairs without issue.

Good. Now just compare Saros10R with Saros10 and you’re done…

The distinction really does seem to come down to how deep your carpets are. If you have traditional-carpeted areas of your home that are very plush, it seems likely you will not be satisfied with the vacuuming performance of the newer models. I’m very glad I don’t have carpets like this in my home but am very sympathetic to those that do - this would be very frustrating. For those of us who have low-to-mid-pile area rugs or other non-traditional carpeted areas interspersed with mostly hard-surface flooring, we’re thrilled with our 10’s and 10R’s. I hope deeper-carpet folk find the vacuums they crave.

The 10 does a stupid good job vacuuming. It has literally brought an old rug back to life and fluffed it up with vacuum lines in it.

To be clear I'm talking about the 10, not the 10R

I bought the Saros 10 and the vibrating mop seems to work a lot better than I expected it would. I originally wanted the 10R but thought it would look ugly in my home so I bought the 10 that came in white with frosted glass. I think the S8 MaxV Ultra looks ugly too, so I wouldn't buy it personally, but if you're already spending $1200 I would just spend $1500 to get the nicest one with all of the features and presumably more time remaining for software updates. I also am not hurting for money so maybe that $300 means less to me than it does to you, but if that's the case then maybe consider one of the $800ish robots that do pretty much the same job. If you care enough to post about it on Reddit and have your sister import it from Europe instead of just buying whatever is local then you should probably just get the Saros 10 in my opinion.

They both have trade offs vs the other but they’re both great robots. The 10 is a little more reliable because it uses an advanced version of last gen navigation tech, whereas the 10R uses the first generation of new navigation tech so it avoids objects better in certain scenarios but will sometimes be a buggier and less polished navigation experience. Personally I bought the 10 because I thought the white/silver dock looks nicer in my home. I was expecting to be a little disappointed in the vibrating mop pad which was my biggest concern but it’s actually great.

I have the white Saros 10 and my experience with the mop has been similar. I was expecting to be a little disappointed but it’s actually really good.

The Saros 10 has the same duo divide brush as the 10R. The mop pads are different. I don't think you will see better vacuum performance. I came from an S8 to a 10r and vacuum performance declined. It seems the machines with the original dual brushes get better suction than the duo divide. I think there is a compromise with either. Duo divide - no tangles, less suction Dual brushes- better suction, tangles

Hey everyone, I'm in the middle of researching the Roborock lineup — specifically the Saros 10, 10R, and Z70. I’ve ended up going with the Saros 10, but I’m still super confused about all the conflicting reviews and tests, so I thought I’d share what I’ve found and maybe get your thoughts. For some context: (I feel like we can't test these robots as soon as they come out maybe wait abit get firmware done and a lot of other stuff because vacuum wars's testing was completely out of what other reviewers say) but we should come together as a community to see how we can minimise these inconsistencies. • I watched The French Glow, who loved the Saros 10. • Just a Dad Reviews also preferred the 10 over the 10R. • A few European robot vacuum websites had test results showing the 10 outperforming the 10R too. • Jamie Andrews also had the 10 doing better in cleaning tests, but at the end he said he’d personally go for the 10R, purely because he believes Roborock is moving forward with **Starsight Navigation**, since it’s in the Z70 (**this is incorrect**). • Meanwhile, Vacuum Wars had the Saros 10 performing terribly, which really threw me off. Honestly, based on the majority of the reviews I’ve seen, I think that test might need a redo. Now here’s where it gets interesting. I actually work in retail, and we recently had a couple of Roborock reps come in to train us, put stickers on the models, and give us the inside scoop. I straight-up asked him: “How would you rank the Z70, 10, and 10R right now?” His answer was: **Z70 > 10 > 10R** I then asked, “Why did you guys fit the Z70 with spinning mops and **Starsight** if it’s meant to be the best? Why not vibration and retractable LiDAR?” He explained: • LiDAR and mop arms were messing with navigation when the arm was up, as it’s a spinning light sensor, and it caused issues in their internal testing. They had to save space, so they stuck with **Starsight** on the Z70. • They didn’t go with vibration mopping due to weight and space constraints. • What I found interesting is that the Z70 doesn’t use Duo Divide, and they even said that Duo Divide was the better roller — so there are definitely trade-offs. • Overall, he said it was due to weight and space. • But in terms of all-round performance, he said the Saros 10 is currently the best cleaner overall. I even asked him why the 10 is better than the 10R. The 10 is technically the newer one as they have been out in China and there is a reason why they reverted back to lidar which he didn’t tell me but he said it has more suction power, a slightly better dock, and better mopping because it can put about 1kg of pressure on the floor when there are tough stains. It even has a little bumper on the top so when it’s under furniture and bumps into things, it knows and doesn’t scratch itself. I also told him, “Doesn’t the 10R detect more stuff?” and he just said no — same amount. Both use the same artificial intelligence trained on the same things to detect stuff. Also straight up told me the only thing the 10r does better then the 10 is that its dock is a lot easier to clean. But he also said you couldn’t go wrong with any of the Roborocks in their lineup — anything over 7000 Pascals will get the job done. He even told me that Pascals are pretty much just marketing. Also, something I didn’t know before: the “R” in 10R stands for the QRevo mop system, not “Roborock” or anything like that. As for me, I’m not too worried about “future-proofing” with **Starsight**. I usually upgrade my robot vac every 3 years, as I get product insurance on everything. So after the manufacturer’s warranty, I just put water in my robot and get the newest version out at that moment. I care more about current cleaning performance than long-term tech shifts. **TL;DR:** • Multiple reviewers (French Glow, Just a Dad, Jamie Andrews, etc.) rate the Saros 10 as better than the 10R. • Vacuum Wars says otherwise, but they seem like the outlier. • Roborock rep ranks Z70 > 10 > 10R, but admits there were trade-offs in the Z70 design. • I chose the Saros 10 — best cleaning performance today, and I upgrade every few years anyway. I hoped this helped pick your robot. 😀

The saros 10 is the best robot on the market

Trust me I had the same issue as u the 10 fixed it

Get the saros 10 3000 more pascals of suction and a different shape dust bin really makes the difference and btw people are gonna ahh well vacuum wars tests say otherwise no idk what vacuum wars did in there tests but u look at another reviewer they say the 10 is a better vacuuming robot.

Agree - my saros 10 is great at picking up hair, but terrible at picking up small bits of cat litter

the vacuum performance for saros10 is great for fur, hair and anti tangling, but not so great for fine objects (eg sand, grains , cat litter)

My Saros10 doesn’t seem to be very effective in picking up fine cat litter - but good for hair

10R does not clean better than the 10 since the latter can put more down pressure hence better with though stains. 10R dock much more uncomplicated to clean as any other rotating system. The S8 maxv is quite expensive tbf at that price, I wouldn’t buy it for more than 900-1k probably. And 10 at that price also not worth it. Are you able to get the Curv or edge or even the QRevo master ? If it has to be absolutely those two then I would go for the 10 because it has the duo divide roller, lifts the side brush which is also tangle free, new robot and dock design, but I reckon prob most people would/should get the maxv

It isn’t. Saros 10 proved that wrong, unless you have really uneven floors

Spinning is not better than vibrating. Saros 10 proved that. Only if you have really uneven floor then spinning is better

Smarthomeassistant, poderak, justadad you can see there Saros removes stains in less passes

No it doesn’t better mopper. Actually the 10 has more down force than the 10R, that’s why the CurvX is a 10 with spinning mops, they improved the down force. I don’t know how it takes you hours to clean the S8, my S8 takes me 2 min. Granted spinning pads are much easier. The 10r should take you less than a minute.

Maximum power you mean maximum vibration and water ? It’s quite strange, did you make sure it’s was putting water in the ground, did you check if the pad was making good contact with the floor? Even a dragging non vibrating pad should have cleaned that in 4 passes, I use mine with 3 passes but the third one is just a touch up. On video reviews with messy stains it cleans more in one pass than the 10R because of the downforce pressure as I mentioned so I have the feeling some was odd with yours.

Check out the youtube channel Vacuum Wars, he does a ton of comparisons and yearly roundups. I have one of the more recent Roborock ones where the roller on the bottom is split in the middle, and hair rolls inward (they call it DuoDivide). I have found it to do a good job of not tangling due to the way it's designed and it has worked great for me, though the thing definitely wasn't cheap. That being said, I wouldn't call almost any electronic device BIFL, especially ones with a lot of moving parts.

Duo divide is incredible, more than a month of use without a single hair on the brushes. 2 cats and a long hair woman in the house.

While I’m little shocked about the price (looks like that would’ve totally been enough for me vs. my Qrevo Curv) it looks to me like it’s “at least” missing the flexiarm side brush which does make quiet a difference (I needed to manually sweep around all edges with my S7 while this extending side arm really helps to clean the corners). I doubt that’s worth the ~400€ I payed extra for the Curv though.. DuoDivide is really as great as everyone already stated here so I’d definitely get one that has that, maybe wait a few days for this model if you can live without the extending arm (the mop still does extend).

There is only one answer to your first question: Duo Divide.

This. Most sites prefer the 10R. Any other vaccum roboter company switched their topmodels to spinning mops as well. OP just taking some reviewers he thinks tell the story his way and supports their tests. All of these are test scenarios anyhow. To my youtube reviewer search, also only including those not sponsored, 10R was slightly superior in mopping while no difference in sucking BUT with the already mentioned drawback of 10 increased complexity when it comes to cleaning the dock. There is no difference in navigation after both have had the chance to learn the environment after a few cleans. Both navigation systems are just equal. OP just loves the 10 and wants it to be the suprior model so hard. So be it. For you. But dont tell people that is a fact, because it isnt, you were highly biased right from the beginning and seemed immune vs facts even telling people for a long time the water tank would be so much bigger in the 10. Yeah. 1mL. **It's easy: 10R > 10.** But both are the best you can buy right now. There is simply no significant difference apart from docking cleanability and yeah, as already mentioned, corner mopping. This micro-mop on the 10 really is a joke, can't concinve me of anything else and this fact none of the youtubers took into considerations as well. So easy pick. You can try to convince yourself that the 10 is superior, but in fact, it isn't. :) Enough on this stupid comparison now, cheers! Happy easter everyone!

Sure you got a list of "ignore this review" from youtubers who put the 10R over the 10. But here is just one to get you started, who - oh no - states as well that the 10R has slightly better mopping performance. Looking at your history of comments you are on a mission right from the beginning to spread the message that 10 is superior to 10R and I can only guess because only the 10 was about to released to your country? I don't know. Here are two big testers international, I sticked to german reviewers since I am from germany but the conclusion is the same overall: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-ZU6wM5w88](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-ZU6wM5w88) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkHBbDCOsNE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkHBbDCOsNE) Stick to the facts: \- Manual cleaning the dock is required and much more complex with the 10 \- The mini side cleaning cloth of the 10 is a joke and was not tested properly by ANY of the youtubers out there, this mini surface is simply a joke and there is no test needed to conclude that this will not get the job as good as the big pad with much bigger surface to adsorb the dirt \- Navigation: No difference \- Suction power: 10R slightly above 10 but in that range its anyhow, as you confirm yourself, marketing \- 10 has a 1mL bigger internal water tank \- Cleaning performance 10R>10 according to my youtube research I've done since both were on my radar, but only SLIGHTLY so nothing I would call the 10R suprior to the 10, however when it comes to cleaning edges there is a CLEAR lead from the 10R due to the huge pad vs. minipad that, again, none of the testers took into considerations Now that's enough for me for this thread. Have a great one Warm, bye :-)

You just don't get what I and others try to get to your brain with the size of the minimop. Its not backed because it was not considered or tested. Look how all these tests are made. Is there any dried up stains on corners tested? Any old dust already attached in a slightly sticky way to the floor like it does in real life? Not that I am aware of. And now take this super tiny piece of cloth and try to manually clean the corners of your house. You will find out that it is fully absorbed with dirt after a few meters. And there is a SIGNIFICANT difference to the size of the 10R. But hey. You asked proof. I delivered. You were, as expected, not satisfied even though I provided requested "evidence" whatever you can call some youtubers "evidence". Yeah. I could get you much more videos of said conclusion on mopping performance but even if I present to you 50 more videos you won't be satisfied. I know this wont concinve you either as you will find other things. We get it, you are biased. From the beginning. You are fine with your choice. Got it. But stop spreading misinformation as self proclaimed facts while citing your three favorite youtubers that reflect your message. For everyone else who is interested in buying: make your own research but dont listen to biased OP who wants the 10 to be superior more than anything else. Consider this mini mop area of the 10 and ask yourself how much dirt would that be able to absorb before simply smearing it around. I repeat again - you cannot choose wrong with either of both, they are nearly equal but 10R has a slight edge in mopping performance and does not come with the complex manual cleaning of the docking station. Case closed.

That duo divide is just awesome and worth the upgrade!

Not having experienced another roller, my experience with the DuoDivide, a shedding NFC, and a long-haired partner, is just problem free.

Bald dogs 😂 You asked this at just the right time when anti-tangling tech has essentially matured in robot vacuums. Dreame (DuoStream or TriCut brush), Narwal (conical brush), and roborock (DuoDivide) offer great antitangling solutions for their main and side brush. It’s become cheaper too as this feature has matured.

How tall is the piece of transition? For a single one up to 30mm, the roborock models with the AdaptiLift chassis (the most expensive QRevo Curv/Edge and the Saros line). Anything higher up to 4.2cm, if a threshold is less than 9cm long (5.2cm if it is at least 9cm long), will need the Dreame X50 Ultra or any equivalent MOVA model (V50 Ultra). I am aware that Dreame's L/X50 Ultra and any model (such as MOVA's V50 Ultra or the rare UK-only Dreame L40s Pro Ultra) that uses dual conical brushes has a *live fur compression* feature (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOOU0uJsVdU), which helps mitigate the issue of pet fur clogging the dustbin, even though the space isn't fully utilized. I saw it in action, and I think it lives up to its claim. It also cleans its filter when auto-emptying. This should be helpful for homes with heavy shedders such as yours\~ For paw prints, I think a robot that can identify messes like this and act accordingly would be important too. Dreame and Narwal do well with this if you turn on certain functions, such as their smart cleaning mode and intelligent mess detection.

Many robots cannot mop with warm or hot water. This is currently a new feature on upright vacuum mop combos. Currently there is only hot water mop washing on most models. The roborock Saros 10 claims to mop with hot water up to 70° and the Saros 10R claims to mop with warm water. I am skeptical of this claim as it doesn’t use a roller mop where it feasibly could live up to this claim. There is the upcoming MOVA Z50 Ultra that can mop with constant 36° water as it has a track type roller mop which makes this claim achievable. Generally, most robot vacuums also do fail when it comes to living up to the hot water mop washing claim. Dreame made models do reach the advertised temperature but it is mainly only for a moment and it’ll usually be washing the mops with lukewarm to warm water In the EU market, I’d recommend Xiaomi as the most cost effective robot vacuum mop combo brand unless you’d like the extra bells and whistles such as hot water mop washing + mop extension where it’ll be better to consider brands like dreame. Most of its combo models are compatible with the anti-tangling dreame TriCut brush. It works well in my home with a long haired corgi and people with long hair. The Xiaomi x20 pro looks rather nice. For obstacle avoidance, please tidy up your cables. Most LDS-only robots are rather stupid when it comes to reflective or transparent walls. I recommend models with good obstacle avoidance if your cat makes messes robots cannot clean and must avoid at all costs. This usually requires RGB cameras. If the best obstacle avoidance is what you’re looking for: Narwal Freo Z ultra or any of their RGB camera enabled robots. It currently seems to have the best (not perfect!) smart cleaning mode. Its strength lies in its good mopping and anti-tangling but sadly not vacuuming. Dreame RGB camera enabled models starting from the X30 Ultra and onwards. MOVA is a subbrand of dreame so RGB camera enabled robots from the P10 Pro Ultra and newer will perform similarly as it will use the same obstacle avoidance software. Dreame is a rather good all rounder combo robot with the best edge cleaning. Antitangling performance is also rather good. Eufy S1 Pro and other models that will use the “3D Matrix” binocular infrared 3D dToF sensor array. Roborock is also a good all rounder with the easiest app to use but it will not be as good avoiding obstacles such as cables and pet messes compared to other brands, especially on carpets. For self cleaning: Dreame/MOVA models with the AceClean dryboard where water jets are used to clean the mops. The x50 ultra will be best at self cleaning including cleaning its own filter when autoemptying but it is currently outside your budget. > dreame models that use the self driven wipers on the mop washboard ≈ roborock models using a mop washboard with motorized wipers ≈ NarWal’s mop washboard where they flush the washboard with water before and after washing the mops.

This is definitely not exclusive on the ecovacs X9 pro omni. Ecovacs is late to this feature. Models that can do this well: Dreame’s L/X40 Ultra and newer (assuming there’s an RGB camera), Narwal Freo Z Ultra; Roborock Saros series and CurvX, MOVA P10 Pro Ultra, P50 Pro Ultra, Z50 Ultra, V50 Ultra

What's your home like? Is it mostly hardfloors, carpet, or a mix of both? As for obstacle avoidance, the best options are the Dreame X/L40 Ultra and newer models, the Eufy S1 Pro, and the Narwal Freo Z Ultra. Roborock won't do as well for cables. If this isn't an issue, it'll be fine too. I don't recommend the roborock Z70, the Roborock Saros 10 and the QRevo Curv would be much better choices as accommodating the arm meant the cleaning performance had to be sacrificed. For corner cleaning, Dreame is the most aggressive in terms of its algorithm. Roborock is rather shy when it comes to cleaning corners with the extending side brush. I'm not sure about Eufy's E25/E28's extending side brush, but the square shape can make it harder for it to fit into corners if the algorithm isn't optimized. The Eufy S1 Pro and the Narwal Freo Z do not have as good corner cleaning capabilties.

I’d recommend the roborock Saros 10 over the ecovacs X8. It won’t drag its mops across carpet which means carpet won’t be cleaned as well.

I’d look at robots that can stop vacuuming, lift the main and side brush and just mop when they detect a liquid spill. The Dreame Aqua 10 Pro Track and the MOVA Z50 Ultra will be the closest robot to a steam mop as they use roller mops. There’s also the Narwal flow but no word on its release yet. Alternatively, there are robots with spinning mops that can do this after recognizing a liquid mess like Dreame’s L/X40 ultra and newer; roborock Saros models and the Curv X; the MOVA P10 Ultra/Pro Ultra, the P50 Ultra/Pro Ultra, and the V50 Ultra; and Narwal’s freo Z Ultra. Out of all of them, I’d recommend the MOVA V50 Ultra as it can mop with detergent and choose if it uses a pet odor neutralizing detergent when cleaning up after your dog or a regular one for general maintenance. Other roller mop models like the eufy S1 Pro, the eufy E25/E28, and the ecovacs X8 and X9 cannot mop up liquid spills without the vacuuming brushes smearing it.

The Saros 10 is a good choice but the mop pad cleaning tray is harder to clean compared to the Saros 10R and the qrevo models because it’s not fully removable.

It's definitely an upgrade to the standard dragging a wet cloth. Flagship Saros 10 is using vibrarise too but its a bit more updated and has more vibration and downward pressure. Not sure how big of a difference in terms of performance it is compared to the S8. If you can find S8 for a good price then I think you wont be disappointed I also think when choosing between rotating and Vibration mops its about preference and what type of floor you have. The rotating mops are using more water I believe and could have a tendency to leave wet streaks on floors

I had the S7 Maxv Ultra for two years. Cleaning was really good. But there were some issues. My main complaint was the dock, it was difficult to clean and maintain, and it would require a heavy cleaning once in a while or it would start to smell. It was especially hard to get the gunk out, around the little cleaning brush and wiper in the dock. I did it, but swore I would get a different model next time. When it died a week ago, I wanted to get the new Saros 10r. But regionally here, its a lot more expensive. So got the Saros 10. I had it for 24 hours, then returned it. It was smarter looking then my S7, it moved about more intelligently, and it crossed the high barriers in my house. But the mopping was surprisingly bad, worse even then my S7. I did 4x full deep cleans on maximum power in my kitchen/living room and in none of these cleans, did not manage to get any dry stains off on our laminate floors. Mind you, these stains were not week old, nor difficult to remove. It ran over these stains several times to no effect. I could moist my finger and remove the stain without any force. But it didn't manage to remove any of them. It vacuumed pretty good, on par with my old S7. But it did not reach out to clean the floors under my radiators, as my old S7 did. Don't know if it was an obstacle avoidance setting, but it didn't. It did manage to get under one particular annoying serving table I have in a hallway, where the s7 and older models usually got stuck, so that part was good. The dock was a clear upgrade in pure functions, with the detergent dispenser, and the heating system. But it still got nasty like the old S7. After a full day of cleaning, gunk started building up in all the same places. So, it went back. I really REALLY, wanted it to be good. As I have a ton of spare mopping pads for it, and I thought it looked cool. But it wasn't good enough. I am now contemplating the Qrevo Curv, as a replacement. Due to the easy to clean dock, and the different mopping system. I wanted to try the Saros 10r, but it's just too expensive here.

Thank you very much. Great detailed response. I think I may get the 10 instead of the 10R based off your experience. I was also looking to get one for my parents, and so far at least people have said the Saros app is better/ easier to use.

Robotic vacuums. I have had 3 different brands and the Roborock Saros 10 is the only one that doesn’t get clogged with the hair.

I have roborock saros 10. In the app, there’s an option to add to Apple Home. You don’t get fine options such as zone cleaning, routines, but you have option between vaccum/mop and choose one of the rooms or all rooms. I got the saros when it was discounted, recommend it 👍

With an increase in the number of parts to fail, it really worries me once my Saros 10 is out of warranty. These are not high quality parts built to last too.

Had my Saros 10 for a couple of days, seems to work well on my low pile carpet. Obviously never had a S8 before. I see people mention S10 is not great on carpet due to the hair detangling brush design, but personally I am loving this brush. My wife’s hair is quite fine and long but it’s doing a fantastic job reducing the amount of maintenance I need to do for the rollers. My S7 MaxV and Eufy L60 required me removing hair from the roller at least every few days. One thing I must mention is Roborock is not putting enough resource in providing updates for Saros 10. Their focus seems to be on the 10R.

Roborock has two mopping systems for their higher-end robots: spinning-pad (see their Qrevo line and the Saros 10R) and vibrating-pad, which looks like the stationary-pad system but with a vibrating plate underneath the pad. Roborock's implementation of this has received high marks, with some people rating it as better than spinning pads. The current example of this would be the Saros 10, with the S8 MaxV continuing to do well even as an older model. To my knowledge, Roborock does not have a roller/track mop model. I'll also put in a vote for the Eufy S1 family. They're older than the models you mentioned, but have been reliable for a number of people (including me). The Pro was considered the top roller mop of 2024 (with some considering it the top mopping robot of 2024). They're not worth their retail prices today, but I see the S1 on Amazon US for $700 and the S1 Pro for $1050. Probably the main concern you should have would be vacuum performance, but my S1 Pro has never had a problem with pickup on hard floors.

Duo Divide roller is the best out there for long haired dogs I believe. (what the Saros 10 and 10r have)

"It knows and doesn't scratch itself". If you browse a bit this reddit, you will have bad surprised about the Saros 10, I've seen more than one that got scratched on top :( This said, interesting infos about the Z70 and the use of starsight vs lidar. Thanks for all the insights and sharing your knowledge :) I doubted A LOT like many of us between Saros 10 and Saros 10R and went with the Saros 10R for the starsight + easier dock to clean + no risk of having lidar error/turret that breaks and needs to be replaced. Personally, coming from the S7 MaxV, I'm amazed. What is really weird though, is that I received a defective unit first, with a main brush that broke in 3 days. The robot was fine the first 2 days but I was VERY underwhelmed in terms of performance, navigation etc (compared to my s7) What's interesting is that my new Saros 10R that has now been working for 7 days is like 10 times better than my old defective Saros unit, way faster, way smarter in the way it moves etc...and I tried both with the same firmware before updating to the latest one. I have no explanation, but the difference between the 2 Saros 10R was huge. As for the whole "duel" between Saros 10 and 10R, I guess it's just a question of preferences. I haven't seen a single test saying one is largely better than the other. Firmware update plays a big role as well in performance.

So, my first robot vacuum/mop was the Roborock S7 MaxV Ultra The dock has a clean water tank and a dirty water tank, as well as a bag to collect the dry stuff the vacuum picks up. I had to empty the dirty water and refill the clean water about every two to three weeks, depending on how often I ran it (typically once per week). The dock also cleans the mop pad after it's done. Some of the newer Roborock models like the Saros 10 actually use heat to dry the mop. I recently got the Saros 10 to replace the S7, and my only complaint is that it has a slightly smaller water tank. But, on the plus side, it has a detergent dispenser that automatically mixes some cleaner in with the water when it refills the robot for mopping. It also has substantially higher suction so it's more effective as a vacuum. The biggest downside to the good, self-cleaning robots is cost. I got the Saros 10 on sale but it was still $1200. They make some cheaper models that are still very good, so it's kind of up to your budget and preferences. I hope that helps.

I got one last year and love it!

We recently got the Roborock Saros 10 and it's so good. Super happy.

imo roborock is the most reliable brand, dreame has too many software issues and bad quality control. The arm of the z70 isn‘t advanced enough yet it‘s their first try, I wouldn‘t get that one. I‘d get the 10r over the 10.

10 has more mopping functions than the 10R. Also, cleaning the dock's washboard on the 10 is also a lot easier. I have both and they are both great though. The dock's are quite beautiful

We’ve had the Roborock Saros 10 for just over a month now. We have one dog that sheds & a toddler that is in and out of the house all the time so our floors cop it with dirt, sand, grass etc. The Roborock holds up really well! I let it go once a day mostly, sometimes twice in select areas and it definitely looks and feels clean. The Saros 10 also gets under low lying furniture, which I absolutely LOVE!! Because then all the pet hair and dust that sits under furniture is no longer an issue

Well, Roborock with Adaptilift would do the job (Qrevo Edge/Curve and Saros 10/10r) or Dreame X50 Ultra and Mova V50 Ultra. Most robot vacuums can climb up to 2cm, but that's the maximum limit, so you better choose the above models. Btw, I love your room layout. It looks very pleasant to my eyes.

For Roborock, choose their model with a DuoDivide brush for the anti-tangle feature. It comprises several models: - Qrevo S5A/S5V (cheaper) - Qrevo Edge - Qrevo Curv - Saros 10 - Saros 10R (expensive flagship) S5A/S5V only have structured light-based obstacle avoidance sensors. The rest uses a combination of structured light and an AI RGB camera, which should perform better in detecting pet surprises. Only Saros 10 uses a vibrating mop pad while the rest uses a spinning-style mop. The mopping result differs between a vibrating mop and a spinning mop, but it depends on your house environment. People here reported different results between them.

Roborock S10 (Saros 10r) – more mature ecosystem, great app, strong vac. Doesn’t have hot mop washing like Dreame/Mova. Service/support tends to be better established. Dreame X50 Ultra – full flagship. ProLeap legs (6 cm), dual roller, hot mop wash, strong suction. Best for mixed floors and heavier mess. Parts are easy enough to find now but price is higher. Some users love it, some get quirks and support can be hit or miss depending on region. Mova V50 Ultra – basically Dreame tech under a different name. Same hardware family, sometimes priced lower. Software updates come slower, but performance is close to X50. Ecovacs X9 Pro – strong mopping, but suction and obstacle avoidance are behind Dreame/X50. Their newer X2/X1 lines are better, so X9 Pro feels a bit dated now. If you were happy with your S7 and just want “next level,” the X50 Ultra gives you the most upgrade in features (threshold climbing, mop care, suction). The S10 is a safer bet if you want stability and support.

I’m pretty happy with 10 after latest update.I prefer flat mop and more conventional radar system.

I have both the 10 and 10R and a Z70 I haven't opened yet. It's a tricky one – both are excellent cleaners but I prefer the 10R's mops to the 10's mopping pad, though I rarely mop. I also like the sleek looks of the 10R robot unit but much prefer the look of the 10 dock with its hidden water containers and push-to-open bin door. Both have good obstacle avoidance but only when the 'pet' option in settings is applied (it's off by default). However, my biggest deciding factor with robot vacs of all kinds is how well they empty their bins as I have four shedding animals at home. In this regard I've had issues of the dock blocking with the 10R, incomplete emptying and dust collection around the bag interface area. The 10 has been fine to date. So, given this and a few other things, I'd say the 10 just swings it.

The saros 10 is better dobqiellonchebhai in terms of self-cleaning, but still it is very annoying. Saros 10R borders on perfection

I bought the Roborock Saros 10 two months ago and I'm extremely happy with it - our floors have never been this clean! **Our setup:** - PVC flooring (deliberately chose no carpets because of debris that gets stuck in them) - Mat at the front door + tiles in bathroom/toilet - everything gets cleaned excellently - Integrated with Home Assistant: automatically starts cleaning when my wife and I leave the house **Experience:** - We basically never see it working and come home to clean floors - It's never been this clean under our beds - Previously we often had stains in the living room from oil/food from our 2-year-old daughter - that's now a thing of the past **Maintenance:** I go through the docking station weekly with a wet cloth, and it looks like new. **Only downside:** Carrying the base station upstairs for deep cleaning sessions is a bit annoying, but then you do get multiple mop cleanings during one session. **Bottom line:** If you're hesitating about the hygiene upgrade, I can definitely recommend it. The difference compared to manual cleaning is huge, especially with small children in the house!

10r has better mopping performance than the 10 10r has upgraded dock that has a removable tray making cleaning significantly easier 10r for cleaning and maintenance needs alone. Coming from a s8max I hated cleaning that dock. Took hours to do. 10r dock takes less than 15 to clean

If you have any furniture or tight spaces under 10 cm in height then height is a big plus for the saros 10. Mopping performance is likely very similiar between the two. Some tests show advantages for the vibrarise and some for the rotating mops. Might be different depending on what type of floor you have as well. The vibrarise pad works very well on hardwood floors imo. Obstacle avoidance is supposed to be better on saros 10, but i dont know if thats true. I can say it works very well, though not perfect on saros 10. Mainentance of the dock for qrevo is simpler since you can take the whole mopwash module out of the dock.

I disagree with that saros 10 cant do good edge cleaning. The edge mop works fine and gets all the way to the edge.

We have the Saros 10 but it’s quite pricey since it also mops. It does a good job when it mops too but in my personal opinion, a regular roborock that just vacuums is the way to go just because that’s the feature you’d use most. We have it on a schedule for the vacuum to go off every day at 12pm and it’s been great!

Reviewers are rewarded to get videos out ASAP for views. First review out gets all the clicks. I was one of the last ones to release the video due to the units getting several firmware updates that changed their behavior. Vacuum Wars buys his units retail so his videos should reflect what a buyer would see. You mentioned that I chose the 10r over the 10. "but at the end he said he’d personally go for the 10R, purely because he believes Roborock is moving forward with **Starsight Navigation**, since it’s in the Z70 (**this is incorrect**)." First, thanks for watching my videos! Sadly that is a bit out of context from what I said. I did mention that I suspect Roborock might be transitioning to Starsight in the future, but only time will tell. I do not think one should choose the 10r just because of this system though. It does have it's advantages with object avoidance, but has some navigation bugs too. Here is what I said and I still feel this way today. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7DW-mx-TRs&t=752s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7DW-mx-TRs&t=752s) As it relates to which one should someone choose I would say get the one that works best for you. Both are good robots and each have their sets of pros and cons. I suspect the 10 was meant to be the flagship, but I am not positive. Jamie

Thank you for this comment, just got a 10 for $1700~ CAD. Looking forward to trying this, bought robovacs every 5 years since 2015. This is my third or fourth try, I hope I dont return this one. Even if it can keep my main floor clean, kitchen/living room. I would be so happy.

I have the Saros 10 and a Golden Retriever. The previous S7 would tangle up but the Saros 10 does not. I really like the cleaning result and it makes relatively little noise.

Any robovac with spinning mops, including the Saros 10R, uses a very simple mechanism in the dock to clean the mops. Usually, this mechanism comes out as a single tray that easily comes apart into three pieces. About every four to six weeks, depending on use, you have to remove this tray, take it apart and rinse these parts under hot tap water. A tiny bit of brushing helps, but is often not necessary. This is a quick and easy task. The robovac will tell you when this task is due. Because of the automatic mop drying, nothing in the base of the dock, including the mops, stays wet. Therefore, it would take very extreme conditions for bacteria and mold to grow. I have not seen any evidence of this yet. Maintaining the mops and dock has been very, very easy for me and no problems have arisen at all. The Saros 10 uses a vibrating pad which requires a much more complicated mechanism that presents different challenges. Other will have to tell you more about it because, while I have seen them, I have no long term experience with them. What I can tell you is that you will be very disappointed in the vacuuming performance of either model compared to that of your S7, especially on rugs and carpets. Any model of robovac with auto detangling rollers made by any manufacturer will not vacuum nearly as well as your S7. When it comes to vacuuming performance, the newest generation of robovacs vacuum much worse than the previous two or more generations of their predecessors. We consumers have selected convenience and laziness over vacuuming performance and the market has delivered exactly what we asked for. Sorry for the bad news! I hope this is helpful!

Had the S7 MaxV for 3 years and since monday the Saros 10. Have no issues and everything seems clean. It's also the first robot to vacum our high pile carpet so thats a huge win for me.

I love the Roborock Saros. Here is a link for a discount. RRSAPS10R-Get Extra 6% Off on Roborock Saros 10R

Trust me you don’t need to drop $1800 on a robot vacuum. Any decent flagship Roborock will do, S8s or one of the higher end Q Revos. Saros is great but again you don’t really need them. Would avoid the other ones.

Mopping performance compared to the Q Revo‘s. Rotating mops are just superior and I think Roborock finally admitted this by moving away from vibrating mop pads on the Saros which will most probably become the S9. Otherwise it’s really great. 👍

You might not be happy with the build quality of the lower end series like the Q. Stick with Premium. I would get the S series or Saros. The Q series feels very cheap compared to the S plus it can handle the hair NP. It’s a more attractive unit too unless you like a shiny egg that looks like it came out of an 80s movie. lol

Roomba's have pretty subpar mapping & navigation compared to most other brands. We have one (older) Roomba that relies on VSLAM for navigation and one Roborock that uses LiDAR; the difference is night and day. I would avoid iRobot on that alone until they change their tech.

For the price (£250) I am very impressed with mine. Its got LiDAR, a mop, empties itself, etc. Its really neat to watch on the app as it goes about your house and maps it out. Its only gotten stuck twice, and both times were on the same chair that has horizontal bars at floor level that it can get over if it runs at it head on, but can high side itself if approaching from an angle. Definitely does not replace vacuuming as a whole though as it just cant physically get into the corners, and the vacuum itself isnt enough to really suck stuff out of the carpet, more just pick up things on top. I treat it more like a broom than anything else, but having a pet it helps me keep on top of things.