Saros 10

I would go for the [Saros 10](https://amzn.to/3F4P8P1) or 10r Reasons: - Eufy is great but lesser capacity batter, tank etc wise than Roborocks, so if you are a heavy user like me you ll have to empty things relatively early and also auto drain after full will take more energy if the number of times it needs to auto empty increase due to lower tank etc capacity. - Roborock has a better app - Roborock spare parts are a lot more easily available than Eufy which makes maintenance a breeze.. I just replace them than clean or detangle to save time As you would have felt I am a power user due to 2 very sheddy dogs that also get dirt from the garden, there are some things to consider - Saros especially there have been few cases where they had to replace to get a new one early on due to some malfunction.. bigger and more things the machine can do the chances of this happening increases.. I did not face this and have been using for around 6 months now. Basically make sure you have a way to return it get replacement incase a part is faulty etc and I power used it on first few days just to be sure

So I have 2 dogs, both shed a lot and get a lot of mud from our yard and generally where I live is quite rainy so all after the rain the dogs do get the floor dirty Because of this I absolutely needed a mop and of course vaccum for hair and carpet as well. I agree; roborock Qrevo series is pretty good; https://amzn.to/4dDP1a1 By the time I clean them after their mud fiasco the roborock is able to mop off mud and wet dirt off the floor. I can also just clean a small area that has dirt and get the robovac to the dock again and all this with the app which is super helpful. I also block some high wire areas in the app so I am guessing you can do so for your carpet if needed. I prefer it's self cleaning as it helps me use the mop or vacuum twice a day if needed too and then I just empty it out when full. Generally I am a heavy user and with that I empty the dock station every 3 days. Another reason why I choose Roborock for my main area is because with dogs, sometimes you need to replace parts ( is m too lazy to untangle if need be) so I just replace the parts and many companies make Roborock parts and are cheap so thats a plus. Again I bought this 1.5 years back, and they have Qrevo Curv[curv](https://amzn.to/43aaORB) and [Saro](https://amzn.to/3F4P8P1)s launched too which might be a good upgrade I have also used EUFY l60: https://amzn.to/4kfWGgN for my top floors but the dogs don't come there often but there is enough hair in the house to be picked up and the L60 works fine there which is vaccum only.

I have my eye on Saros 10[Saros 10](https://amzn.to/4kk3UQX) as an upgrade for my existing Roborock. Great app, good cleaning and easy maintenance as the parts are quite easily available. Have been using Roborock for over 5 years so either Qrevo Curv[Qrevo Curv](https://amzn.to/4jBzdGh) or [Saros 10](https://amzn.to/4kk3UQX) is what I will be eyeing

Roborock Saros XR cleans up the scatter around my two LR3s. This is good living! Robots taking care of robots.

We've had an extremely good experience with the Roborock Saros since last November. In our 740 sqft house so far we've only had it working on the ground floor, and the cleaning has been a blessing ever since. I highly recommend it. What's your current budget?

My wife and I bought ours [here](https://www.amazon.com/roborock-Saros-10-Aspiradora-Inteligente/dp/B0DLH247PS?crid=TQAP47GLY82J&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.6U8nbj3nTRqgaUYMyn_bMQwLm54z_HlQeUPLPQ3GlwD5cDDkgDsbkb5EFby6FkDfr8CL_FwKMUY8UO71CMtdK8h2H3qRM-MBvlPGdBgnHOilddQfU_i5RtzY4Q6vZvM1ih_peXMcw6r74yr5y6M1mhkBCDBDMYZCXwZfnQQWWqSI4IyKRVYTB2znfjDoUOSmpmQGCz2gC0mEaebzdSY9fbY0YNzveI_49Mw1eB5LkNE.HWcdCjPlaCnL9ZaIsRsFSCsD0aN6EmO0uYRIR8YB1GQ&dib_tag=se&keywords=roborock%2Bsaros%2B10r&qid=1770508797&sprefix=saros%2Caps%2C259&sr=8-2-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGY&th=1&linkCode=ll2&tag=topekapro27-20&linkId=e4d1c1aaec40f981276134fa1596758c&language=es_US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl) after about two months of research. We decided on this model, and something that helped us make our decision were the reviews and opinions of people who already owned it. You can see these opinions there and find out if this robovac is right for you. Good luck, I think it's currently on sale or something.

Last November I bought a Roborock Saros and it's been a dream come true at home, hands down and 100% recommended

The Saros 10 R, this one: [saros ](https://amzn.to/49IU0o5) it'll be two months with us soon. We don't have that much experience, but this model has been a blessing for the house

I'd wait for the saros 20, at home we already have the saros r10 doing wonders around the floors and, don't get me wrong we're more than happy with its performance, but at this point I'm looking for another robovac for the second floor and, like you, I'm doing some research. Then I found out about this roborock model, and I talked to my wife, and I think we're going to wait until we could see revs and opinions about it..

We don't know much about it; we only bought our first robotvac last November, it was the roborock Saros, and we're doing this new search to complement it and have a good cleaning in the second floor of our house, so we're looking for something that's super functional but not too fancy or high-end. Thank you for your information and for sharing your knowledge with me.

For this case the Roborock Saros is the perfect solution. We got one last year due to a similar problema with our golden retriever who sheds tones of hair on daily based, since we bought this model we hardly see any hair on the corners at all. I highly recommend it.

Looking for a privacy-focused robo-vac in Singapore – why I ended up with the Roborock Qrevo 798 (QR 798) Posting this in case it helps anyone else in SG who cares about both cleaning performance and not having a roaming surveillance camera at home. **Disclaimer: Wrote this with AI cos lazy to consolidate and manually write but fact checked it and essence is there** # What I was optimising for Hard considerations: * Has no RGB / AI camera hardware at all (no pet snaps, live video, or “home patrol”). * Avoids a built-in mic / voice assistant as much as possible * Decent performance - (sorry Matic and Eufy) * Not too outdated - lots of older models have less sensors but then lack performance or need to be imported as refurbished Good to have: * Handles long hair without turning the brush into a bird’s nest (for the girlies out there) * Has official SG support and at least some evidence that the vendor takes security seriously. # Why I didn’t want a camera robot Recent security work on camera-equipped vacuums has been pretty ugly: * At DEF CON 32, Dennis Giese and Braelynn Luedtke showed that multiple Ecovacs Deebot and related robots can be taken over via Bluetooth from \~130 m away; once in, an attacker can turn on the camera and microphone and use the robot as a surveillance device. [Cyber Security News+3dontvacuum.me+3TechCrunch+3](https://dontvacuum.me/talks/DEFCON32/DEFCON32_reveng_hacking_ecovacs_robots.pdf?utm_source=chatgpt.com) * Reports and follow-ups (TechCrunch, Kaspersky, etc.) highlight that a lot of Ecovacs models with cameras/mics are affected, and that the same Bluetooth/PIN flaws can be abused across a big chunk of their lineup. [TechCrunch+2Kaspersky+2](https://techcrunch.com/2024/08/09/ecovacs-home-robots-can-be-hacked-to-spy-on-their-owners-researchers-say/?utm_source=chatgpt.com) * Earlier talks by the same researcher showed how camera-equipped robots from Roborock and Dreame expose /dev/video\* devices and vendor camera tools; in some cases, the “camera in use” voice alert can be suppressed just by replacing the audio prompt file, so you can have silent live view. [dontvacuum.me](https://dontvacuum.me/talks/DEFCON31/DEFCON31-vacuum-robots-final.pdf) On top of that, regulators in Korea recently found that some Chinese camera bots (Dreame, Narwal, Ecovacs) can leak stored images or allow forced camera activation via weak or missing authentication in their apps and cloud services. [Meta Connects+4Digital Policy Alert+4MK News+4](https://digitalpolicyalert.org/event/33215-internet-and-security-agency-and-consumer-agency-released-security-assessment-findings-from-investigation-into-cybersecurity-vulnerabilities-of-robot-vacuum-cleaners?utm_source=chatgpt.com) So my baseline was: no RGB camera at all if I can avoid it. # Why Roborock felt “less bad” than some others Every vendor has issues, including Roborock. I’m not pretending they’re perfect, just that they looked relatively better: * Giese’s DEF CON 31 slides show Roborock reacting to earlier research by locking down U-Boot, enabling Secure Boot, SELinux, dm-verity, and using LUKS encryption for user/application partitions with keys in TrustZone; plus ELF signature checks for binaries. [dontvacuum.me](https://dontvacuum.me/talks/DEFCON31/DEFCON31-vacuum-robots-final.pdf) * The same deck shows an email from the Roborock CEO saying their engineers watched the talk and were fixing the vulnerabilities, and newer flagships like the S8 Pro Ultra ship with Secure Boot, dm-verity, LUKS, SELinux, etc. [dontvacuum.me](https://dontvacuum.me/talks/DEFCON31/DEFCON31-vacuum-robots-final.pdf) * Korea Consumer Agency + KISA tested six camera robots (Samsung, LG, Narwal, Dreame, Roborock S9 MaxV Ultra, Ecovacs X8 Pro Omni). Samsung and LG scored best overall; Narwal/Dreame/Ecovacs had the worst camera- and image-related issues; Roborock’s main hit was weak password policy, not remote camera abuse. [MK News+4Digital Policy Alert+4MK News+4](https://digitalpolicyalert.org/event/33215-internet-and-security-agency-and-consumer-agency-released-security-assessment-findings-from-investigation-into-cybersecurity-vulnerabilities-of-robot-vacuum-cleaners?utm_source=chatgpt.com) So Roborock is still hackable if you really try, but they’ve clearly been pushed by researchers and regulators, and they’re not in the “we’ll happily leak your house photos” bucket that some Ecovacs / Dreame / Narwal models fell into. # Models I skipped Roborock S8 Pro Ultra / Saros 10 / Saros 10R * The S8 Pro Ultra has two cameras plus LiDAR and line lasers, and supports remote live view. [dontvacuum.me+2Roborock Singapore+2](https://dontvacuum.me/talks/DEFCON31/DEFCON31-vacuum-robots-final.pdf) * The Saros series (Z70 / 10 / 10R) heavily markets “home monitoring” with remote viewing from the Roborock app. [BIKMAN TECH+1](https://bikmantech.com/blogs/blogs/roborock-s8-maxv-ultra-top-10-q-a?srsltid=AfmBOopQ7MpPl8HkAHPYP_q7xIzKcW_S8p84wcwHxIQfSvontLE1sNDF&utm_source=chatgpt.com) * Great cleaners, but fundamentally still network-connected IP cameras on wheels, which is exactly what I’m trying to avoid. Roborock Qrevo Curv 2 (Flow / Pro / 5A1) * Roborock explicitly says the Curv 2 Flow uses structured light + an RGB camera for “Reactive AI Obstacle Recognition” and that it recognises 200+ object types. [Roborock Singapore Official Site](https://sg.roborock.com/pages/roborock-qrevo-curv-2-flow) * They do have TÜV ETSI EN 303 645 certification and say the camera is off by default, but it’s still a cloud-connected camera with AI processing. [Roborock Singapore Official Site](https://sg.roborock.com/pages/roborock-qrevo-curv-2-flow) * Again, not what I want in a vacuum. Ecovacs / Dreame / “AI Vision / MaxV” type bots * Many of these are sold around their forward cameras + AI obstacle recognition + pet snapshots + remote viewing. * Between DEF CON 32 (Ecovacs camera/mic takeover) and the Korean regulator findings (forced camera activation, cloud-stored images accessible without strong auth), I’m not comfortable putting another one of these on my network right now. [MK News+4TechCrunch+4nextpit+4](https://techcrunch.com/2024/08/09/ecovacs-home-robots-can-be-hacked-to-spy-on-their-owners-researchers-say/?utm_source=chatgpt.com) Random budget LiDAR-only bots * There are cheaper LiDAR bots without cameras, but digging around it’s much harder to find any serious security analysis, and long-term parts/firmware support is a big shrug. That’s a different kind of risk I didn’t want. # Why I landed on the Roborock Qrevo 798 (QR 798 / “Qrevo L”) The QR 798 sold in SG is essentially the Qrevo L platform under a local model code. From Roborock’s SG and global pages plus retailer listings: [Roborock Malaysia Official Site+4Roborock Official Australia+4Roborock Store ANZ+4](https://au.roborock.com/pages/roborock-qrevo-l?srsltid=AfmBOopchF29zQLu0Ed4oimS2orzeh8zQT7Ha_1RDm8Y4vI0_9eWjFNt&utm_source=chatgpt.com) * No RGB camera * Navigation is PreciSense LiDAR + structured-light obstacle sensing, not an RGB camera module. There’s no live-view / home-monitoring feature exposed in the app, unlike Saros or Curv 2. [Roborock Official Australia+2Roborock Store ANZ+2](https://au.roborock.com/pages/roborock-qrevo-l?srsltid=AfmBOopchF29zQLu0Ed4oimS2orzeh8zQT7Ha_1RDm8Y4vI0_9eWjFNt&utm_source=chatgpt.com) * No obvious “smart speaker” behaviour * It plays voice prompts, but there’s no built-in always-listening voice assistant or advertised two-way talk / video call on this model. Voice control is via external assistants (Alexa/Google), so any mic that exists isn’t being sold as a home-monitoring feature in the way the MaxV/Saros lines are. (I still treat it as untrusted IoT and segment it on my network.) * Spec-wise it’s solid * Rated 10,000 Pa suction with HyperForce motor. [Roborock Official Australia+2Roborock Store ANZ+2](https://au.roborock.com/pages/roborock-qrevo-l?srsltid=AfmBOopchF29zQLu0Ed4oimS2orzeh8zQT7Ha_1RDm8Y4vI0_9eWjFNt&utm_source=chatgpt.com) * All-rubber main brush and anti-tangle side brush; Roborock markets this range specifically on handling hair with certified low tangling in their internal tests. [Roborock Official Australia+1](https://au.roborock.com/pages/roborock-qrevo-l?srsltid=AfmBOopchF29zQLu0Ed4oimS2orzeh8zQT7Ha_1RDm8Y4vI0_9eWjFNt&utm_source=chatgpt.com) * Dual spinning mops with lift so it can handle hard floors and low-pile carpets without soaking everything. [Roborock Official Australia+1](https://au.roborock.com/pages/roborock-qrevo-l?srsltid=AfmBOopchF29zQLu0Ed4oimS2orzeh8zQT7Ha_1RDm8Y4vI0_9eWjFNt&utm_source=chatgpt.com) * Dock & convenience * The dock does auto dust emptying, mop washing, warm-air drying, and clean-water refills using removable tanks – no fixed inlet/outlet plumbing. [Roborock Official Australia+2Roborock Store ANZ+2](https://au.roborock.com/pages/roborock-qrevo-l?srsltid=AfmBOopchF29zQLu0Ed4oimS2orzeh8zQT7Ha_1RDm8Y4vI0_9eWjFNt&utm_source=chatgpt.com) * Local support * It’s an official Roborock Singapore model with local warranty and service channels listed on their SG site and Shopee/Lazada flagship stores. [Roborock Singapore Official Site+2Roborock Singapore Official Site+2](https://sg.roborock.com/pages/roborock-qrevo-curv-2-flow) Put together: it’s LiDAR + structured light, no RGB camera, no remote viewing mode, decent security posture for a mass-market bot, and still a high-end cleaner. # TL;DR If you’re in Singapore and you: * want no RGB camera on your robot, * still care a lot about cleaning performance and full auto dock, * and don’t want to mess with rooting / Valetudo right now, then the Roborock Qrevo 798 (QR 798 / Qrevo L) was the least-bad compromise I could find. If anyone has found other camera-free, LiDAR-only bots with third-party security scrutiny and decent long-term support, let me know below

I went with the Saros Qrevo 117 Max xyz and it leaves huge piles of crap everywhere, after it goes in circles for 7 hours, so might need to rethink my next one. Asssuming I can get a 3rd mortgage. Or a swiffer for 17 bucks.