Roborock - Q8 Max Series

I have a Q8 Max+ (newer model) but do not rate is mopping capabilities at all

I just got a roborock q8 and it's awesome. I'm in Canada. Pretty simple to set up too.

I love my roborock. Its a q8 max, had it 6 months with a golden retriever and 2 cats and has been working really good. I've never had less hair in my house. Its my first robot vacuum tho so not much to compare it to. I chose roborock both because it was on sale and people online said the mapping is really easy (which it seems to be).

Thirding roborock. Love mine. I splurged on the self emptying model….totally worth it.

Got the q8max+ on black Friday for around 600$ taxes included (cad$). It's great ! The app really is very simple and it does great on multiple surfaces and rugs!

I’d argue there’s no such thing as buy it for life vacuum robot because it’s tech. However, we did recently get a Roborock Q8 Max to replace our Neato Botvac D3 and have been very happy so far. It’s well within your budget and has been great for our 1 dog 1 cat household.

Dreame L10s ultra certified refurb on eBay w/ 2 year warranty is the best value at $400 USD. Higher end features like hot water mop and dry, auto empty, dual spin mop and a camera for obstacle navigation. Dreame app is not as good as Roborock but it’s not bad either. Roborock Q8+ for around $400 is not bad either with some obstacle avoidance and electric fed mopping versus gravity fed (Q7). It’s just an older model at this point

Roborok Q8Max. In my budget this was perfect - same criteria as you.

I have the Roborock 8 and it's vacuuming since two years two times a day and it still works like a charm

I replace regularly the filter and once the brush, but these are maintenance parts

I changed it two times right now

I just replaced them, because I got them for free buying the vacuum ^^ Now I just wash it with water. I don't notice any performance loss. I just do it to take care of it.

About once a month

That's the really, really old ones. They're not great. The new ones map the environment, and do a proper pass of all areas. Like the Roborock Q8 or Q5 are great.

My roborock does a good job with long human hair.

I have the q8 max plus, which has dual silicon rollers. In my experience the rollers with hard brushes have an issue with hair that needs manual removal/cutting.

I find my roborock is pretty good with hair tangles, they work their way to the ends of the rollers and are easy to remove. I have a q8max+.

If you want the best performance for your four dogs, the Roborock Q8 Max+ is the way to go. It'll save you time and keep your floors looking great between your regular vacuuming session.

The dual roller roborock vacuum does great with pet hair.

i kinda like how my q8 max+ looks https://preview.redd.it/2x3fo6dphgjf1.jpeg?width=516&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ce8ff7bf7d5ef5862926ab0c2f6c09f5b5771a14

i thought it looked nice and it's compact too

it detects walls and unmovable things pretty well, the obstacle avoidance is for stuff like cables i have one of the cheaper models (q8 max+) and ir avoids most objects unless they are transparent or very small

mine doesnt do an outstanding job with obstacles as it still sucks up cords and stuff but the more expensive ones have all sorts of crossing lasers, headlights and cameras to detect them

I have a Roborock self emptying one now and mostly got that because it could vacuum and mop. Before I had a neato bot vac and dir just vacuuming the neato is far superior. That did a way better job of throughly heavy duty vacuuming, when I had that vacuum I had 3 German shepherds and a black lab so I definitely needed a ton of suction and power that didn’t clog, get tangled etc. but now I live in the north and with snow and ice and mud I needed mopping too. I also now only have one German shepherd, my other dogs don’t shed as much. But I also have a pot belly pig that always brings in mud. So the Roborock works great for that but for straight vacuum and suction power the neato is better.

Thanks everyone, I went ahead and got a Roborock Q8 Max brand new from FB marketplace for $220.

Don't spend $1000 on one, go for one around $350-$400 with an auto emptying dock. Roborock is my favorite. You'll get 99% the same features and function as the $1k one, and if you like it then you can get a second one and still be under $1k!

I was in the same position as you: I wanted a robot that just vacuums. In the end I bought a Roborock Q8 Max and just use it for vacuuming. It works great and the Roborock app is really easy to use. FYI my house is mostly oiled hardwood floors with 10% being some sort of hard carpet (sorry don’t know the English word for it).

q8 Max +! Great for vacuum only

We have it. It’s an amazing vacuum but somewhat bad robot. It has little obstacle avoidance. The navigation and cleaning pattern has definitely improved over the last 6 months.

I just purchased a Roborock vacuum a cpl months ago, and it is an amazing piece of equipment. Not only does it vacuum, but it also has a water tank attachment and mop pad to mop floors. Haven't used the mop yet though, but the vacuum works very very well.

Q8 MAX

I picked up a Roborock Q8 Max for under $300 on sale, and I’ve been impressed with it as an upgrade from my Roomba 980. As others have mentioned, they have their place in the right circumstances

Just bought my 3rd one in 6 years—I retired the oldest one, as efficiently was going down. The newest Roborock model Q8 is $179 right now on Amazon. It’s the best model yet; much better than 2 years ago and 1/3 the price.

I’m hesitant to compare to the S7, because I don’t know what that has. In terms of cutting edge technology, Roborock has some crazy new things coming—like one with a robot arm that will pick up and move objects in the way. And it will raise itself up over transitions, like to a carpet. The Saros10 model came out in the past year and is supposed to be fantastic—at $1200 to $1600. I’m just saying that for $179, the Q8 is better than what I have. There are 2 rubber rollers on the bottom (rather than one), and it’s great for dust & pet hair. The phone app is easier to use and edit. I’ve had no problems with docking or finding the dock. And the small-area-clean button works great, which my Q5 didn’t have.

I'd like to get your take on my situation. I need a robot for upstairs which is all carpet with two big, shedding dogs and lots of toddler and dog toys spread about. So no mop needed, but maximum vacuum power and top notch object detection ON CARPET are my two main priorities. I bought a Roborock Q8 Max+ and an S8 MaxV Ultra to test because they both have double rollers and ranked highly for on-carpet pet hair pickup on Rtings. I believe vacuuming performance will be approximately the same between these two robots, but it's the improved object detection of the S8 Max Ultra that I'm thinking might make the extra spend worth it. Is there anything else I should be considering with these specific requirements? The only other one I had on my radar is the Dreame X50 Ultra. Price is not an important factor to me, and I'm located in the US.

The S7 is abysmal with pet hair pickup on carpet. It's so bad, I don't even bother letting it try as it's just noisy and doesn't do much! Going to the Q8 with dual rollers has been a night and day difference (in the one day I've tried it haha). For now, the S7 will stay downstairs where it's mostly hard floors while the new robot will handle the all-carpet upstairs. We'll eventually upgrade the downstairs S7 as well, but then the choice will be much more straightforward as the newer models are so well rounded (at the sacrifice of good carpet pickup performance it seems). One thing that's certain is that the Dyson vis nav is not the right answer. It couldn't even find its dock after completing the upstairs mapping routine 🤦 😅

Love my Q8 Max. Works great with HA. Only complaint is that I have to sporadically (read: every few months) reload the integration to reauth.

We have a self-emptying Roborock that vacuums soft surfaces and mops hard surfaces. We love it sooooo much. I can’t imagine the state our floors would be in without it 🫣

Definitely the roborock Q8 Max+ for mainly carpets. I found that bristle brushes tend to bald my carpet TvT.

For just vacuuming, the Q8 Max will be better. For a combo robot, I’d choose the Xiaomi x20+. Please run your x20+ on the vacuuming first before mopping mode to protect the vacuum fan motor~

A lot of robots have really good anti-tangle solutions now. If you want a vacuum only robot, the Dyson VisNav will be the best vacuum but a bad robot. The Roborock Q5 Max+ or the Q8 Max+ is recommended as it strikes a good spot between fur pickup and good navigation. For combo robots, the cheapest one that deals with fur, pet poop, rugs, and mops well is the dreame L40 Ultra at 399 USD.

Maybe a refurbished roomba for carpets but navigation is an option. A roborock would be better at navigation. The Q5 Pro with no autoempty station would be better at not disturbing people if it will autoempty during working hours but the Q8 Max+ or the Q5 Max+ can be considered if you’d like one with an autoempty station.

If you want a vacuum only model: RoborockQ5 Max+ If you want live obstacle avoidance so it won’t bump into your pet roaming around (no camera): Roborock Q8 Max+

The roborock q8 will be a better choice for hair and navigation.

You don’t need a hair cutter to remove hair from the roller brush. The roborock q5 max+ or the Q8 max+ are popular vacuum only options. All rubber dual brushes help with fur pickup and are okay at resisting tangles but will have tangled fur and hair on the sides which are easily removable. For combo robots: It seems like you’re in the US so I’d recommend the Dreame L40 Ultra at 399 with the antitangle TriCut brush if purchased from Dreame’s physical store which ships for free nationwide https://www.reddit.com/r/RobotVacuums/s/AgXP4k48pP

The cheapest option would be buying something like the roborock Q5 Max+, Q8 Max+ as dual rubber brushes resist tangles rather well. There’s also the option of buying robots that can use dreame’s anti-tangle brush which also works well. Much more expensive options will be using conical antitangling brushes where airflow will untangle the brush like Dreame’s dual conical brushes, Narwal’s conical antitangle brush, Roborock’s DuoDivide, and Matic’s main brush. And there’s also robots like Dyson’s VisNav 360 and the UBPET robot which use a much bigger brush roller, about as big as a regular cordless vacuum’s, and will compress fur in the dustbin with cyclonic filtration. As for dustbin clogging, running the robot more often like twice a day works for smaller homes or setting the robot to autoempty more frequently are viable solutions that aren’t really robot dependent. Some robots also boast fur compression that works when it vacuums like Dyson’s robots with cyclonic filtration, Dreame’s fur compressing dustbin that uses airflow to compress fur by bringing the vacuum to the maximum power, and narwal’s fur compression on their bagged robots. These work to varying degrees of success.

Bigger dustbin + good use of dustbin when it comes to fur (no empty space should be in the dustbin when fur clogs it) + frequent autoemptying = better for dealing with hair and fur. For a vacuum only model, the roborock Q5 Max+ and the Q8 Max+ have a sizeable dustbin and uses the dustbin space well and has an autoempty station. The dual rollers help with fur pickup. In the US Dreame’s L/X50 Ultra fulfills these requirements as a combo model. So does the MOVA V50 Ultra for Canadian customers. The QRevo series has the same issue with some dreame models where the dustbin will be clogged with fur but there’ll be a lot of empty space on the sides. It’ll be good for picking up fur on carpets with its dual brushes but I think the eufy X8 should be better for dealing with finer dust.

For vacuum only: you could consider the Eufy L60 SES or the Roborock Q5 Max+ or Q8 Max+. Combo: For a model that is good at vacuuming and mopping overall: the MOVA P10 Pro Ultra (659 USD) which is a dreame L40 ultra without the mop removal feature (MOVA is a dreame subbrand). https://youtu.be/QjUASR3DdIE?si=69TwSdx3XKBtYF6S

For vacuuming only: Roborock Q8 Max+ or the Q5 Max+ For combos: Tricut brush (works great with a long-haired corgi and long-haired people in my home) compatible: most dreame models in the 10 series and newer Roborock's QRevo Curv and Edge can also be considered if dog "gifts" aren't a concern since they do well with dog fur. The upcoming Roborock Saros 10R can be considered if you'd like it to remove its mops when vacuuming the carpet. If dog "gifts" are a concern: MOVA's P10 Pro Ultra is currently the best bang-for-buck combo model at 659 USD. If you want a mop removal feature (I've seen many complaints about the feature not working as intended on the L40 Ultra), there are Dreame L40 Ultra, X40 Ultra, and X50 Ultra.

If I were you, I’d spend a bit more for a combo and look for a reliable and good vacuum only model for the top carpet only floor which is generally cheaper than a combo model. I’d also consider the dreame L40S Pro Ultra (£799) is going to be better for heavy fur shedders since it has the onboard fur compression feature which works when it’s vacuuming to best utilize the dustbin’s space that has a volume of 395mL. The dual brushes mean it’s better for fur pickup on carpets but won’t be as good for just vacuuming carpets compared to vacuum only models . The E25 will be better for raw mopping performance which is better suited for homes with more hard floors than carpet. The E25 will also be a good option for the bottom floor. I’d get something like a cheap second hand roomba or a roborock Q5 or Q8 with or without an autoempty station for the upper floor.

Depends on your purchasing region. I’d recommend one with autoemptying and for it to have an all in one base station if you want it to mop so it can clean twice a day for you. My robot runs twice a day and at 20,000sqm cleaned, it still works great. Vacuum only ones: Roborock Q5 Max+ or the Q8 Max+ (I don’t know much about the other new roborock models so I’ll wait for other users to report their experience to consider recommending them) Combo ones Xiaomi is a popular cost effective brand. I’d recommend the X10+, X20 Pro and the X20 Max. This is if you want it to vacuum and then mop (which I use since my corgi drools a lot). The TriCut brush compatibility also means it’ll deal with corgi fur well. Xiaomi is not available in the NA market. Dreame’s L40 Ultra and MOVA’s P10 Pro Ultra have been sold in the US for 499-599 (the price fluctuates) and are essentially the same robot. It is also compatible with the TriCut brush. Narwal Freo Z10 will be recommended as it is the cheaper autoemptying model.

I’d get the q8 max+.

The roborock q8 max+ would be a good choice then.

Vacuum only: roborock q5 or q8 max+ or the switchbot k10+ with a tangle resistant all rubber brush. Vacuum and mop combo: MOVA P10 Pro ultra at 399 (I think on Amazon US). This is a de facto last gen flagship and the antitangle TriCut brush (may ship in a bundle or needs to be bought separately from MOVA/dreame but AliExpress resellers can be cheaper) worked great with my long fur corgi’s fur and tumbleweeds. This one is least likely to get stuck compared to the previous options. Compared to other vacuum and mop combos under 400 which are solid budget robots, the p10 pro ultra blows them out of the water. As for the curved legs, I think the MOVA may at first try to ride up them then eventually learn how to properly avoid them. I have the MOVA V50 ultra and after it humped tripod legs on the first day, it was able to “learn” how to smoothly follow the tripod legs and avoid riding up on them on the third day (second day produced mixed results).

If you want a vacuum only robot, I’d look at the AEG RX9-2-4ANM https://www.robocleaners.com/en/aeg-rx9-2-4anm.html (Not an affiliate link). This robot won't ao very well tor dealing with hair and fur on the brush roller but this is the best robot vacuum if you're only considering vacuuming performance (along with the Dyson VisNav which is considerably more expensive but the thicker roller means it’s less prone to tangles). If you want an autoempty station, I’d look at the roborock S8+, Roborock Q5/Q8 Max+, or the eufy E20. If you want a combo, I'd recommend the Dreame L10S Ultra Gen 2 (599), Xiaomi X20 Max (539), the Xiaomi X20 Pro (439), the Xiaomi X10+ (399) as these robots are better suited for larger homes (<60-100sqm) as it has an internal water tank so it won't need to constantly go back to the base station to clean the mops. The Xiaomi X20+ lacks an onboard water tank and must rewet the mops and can become dry when mopping before it resets it. This is generally less water efficient which is why I recommend the previous models. I’d recommend the Xiaomi X20+ for homes smaller than 50-60sqm. All of these robots are compatible with the dreame anti-tangle TriCut brush which works great with my long haired corgi’s fur and long hair in my home.

I generally recommend autoemptying for homes with pets that shed a lot. My old robot didn’t have one and it’s 500mL dustbin would clog up with fur after one run Q5 max+ and the q8 max+ are good choices because of the duorollers. The passive mop is easily removable and isn’t the main focus of this robot anyway. If you were in the eu I’d check out the dreame d20 pro plus for its antitangle dual rollers and fur compression feature.

That’s fair! My home simply is fur mayhem so I love the autoemptying. Check out the roborock q5 or q8 without an autoempty dock.

Roborock q5 max+ or the q8 max+? The dual all rubber brushes are pretty tangle resistant but they’ll occasionally need to remove the hair wound at the sides (the brush ends are easily removable).

My Q8+ is pretty good (fully carpeted apartment with tiled bathroom/kitchen). Mind you, and it's probably for all robot vacuums, it likes to eat cables and frilly rug-edges. I've found after a few weeks that the wheels leave a pattern around the room perimeter as they're always the same distance from the wall. Probably just needs a real vacuum to fluff the carpet up to fix it. I leave the mop part off unless mopping. It becomes velcro on carpet when the robot tries to back out of an obstruction.

My Q8+ is pretty good (fully carpeted apartment with tiled bathroom/kitchen). Mind you, and it's probably for all robot vacuums, it likes to eat cables and frilly rug-edges. I've found after a few weeks that the wheels leave a pattern around the room perimeter as they're always the same distance from the wall. Probably just needs a real vacuum to fluff the carpet up to fix it. I leave the mop part off unless mopping. It becomes velcro on carpet when the robot tries to back out of an obstruction.

My Q8+ is pretty good (fully carpeted apartment with tiled bathroom/kitchen). Mind you, and it's probably for all robot vacuums, it likes to eat cables and frilly rug-edges. I've found after a few weeks that the wheels leave a pattern around the room perimeter as they're always the same distance from the wall. Probably just needs a real vacuum to fluff the carpet up to fix it. I leave the mop part off unless mopping. It becomes velcro on carpet when the robot tries to back out of an obstruction.

My new Q8 max is good for my mostly carpet apartment. The mop attachment stays off though because it stops being able to reverse on carpet.

Roborock seems to be the biggest right now, kind of the DJI of robovacs.  We’re happy with our Q8 max+ from prime day.   We tried a few other brands that I’m not remembering the name of, but they were lower priced and did ok but not great.  The only thing our Q8 struggles with are our ruggable rigs with the liner, they are thin but the rubber wheels under the vac seem to suck them up and get caught. 

Yeah, they really do. I’m not sure exactly why but what I did was get 4 different ones on Amazon and try them out, send back what I didn’t need. I know it’s not ideal but for something like robovac it’s kind of the only way to try a bunch and see what works.  I really needed mop function as well as we have 2 puppies that have outside access through a dog door so wet/muddy feet are constantly in and out. The Roborock has been pretty great at keeping that a lot nicer.  I do wish it had a larger water container though. 

My understanding is they are the exact same for carpets and dog hair. The Q5 is a bit cheaper with a bigger dustbin and no mopping. Q8 has the mopping. Where do you see the sale on Wayfair at?

I love my Roborock Q8, especially watching it move right up to furniture but not quite touch it after years of watching iRobots bang into things and calling navigation. My biggest complaint is that for the past two months the HA integration drops and I have to delete and re-add it. Sometimes multiple times a week. But that doesn’t stop it from cleaning like a champ.

Q8 Max+ is the same but with obstacle avoidance.

Q7 is outdated. Q5 is the better and even cheaper successor. Don't be fooled by the "5" vs. "7". Q8 is the same as Q5 but with obstacle avoidance. Q7 and Q5 have none. Still don't trust the Q8 avoiding pet waste. It works most of the time but never risk an accident. With the idea of running 2x a day the "+" dock is surely a must-have.

Q8 Max wasn't really made for mopping. Since it cannot lift the passive mop, you have to detach the mop everytime you want vacuuming. Make the no mop zones a little wider, even when risking a small strip remaining not mopped. Serious multi-mode cleaning with active mop and lift for combined hard floor / carpet rooms starts with S8 or Q10 S5.

Then also consider Q8 Max. This is mechanically almost the same as Q5 Pro/Max, but has additional obstacle avoidance sensor. There's also a very new model "Q7 M5", which has the strongest suction of all baseline vacuum-only robots.

Q5 / Q7 / Q8 aren't real combos. They have a mop add-on for occasional use. That's cheap, has no motors and consists of a plastic plate with a cloth. Worth $20 maybe, added manufacturing cost somewhat <$5. So almost all models have these add-ons so they can be sold as "combo". Real mopping starts with scrubbing robots like S8, Q10 S5 or Qrevo.

And the Q8 models have obstacle avoidance which the Q5's don't.

If you don't want to use mopping, save some money. Consider Q5, Q7 or Q8 instead of the S8. Q7 economy price but louder (because older model) Q5 silent Q8 is similiar as Q5 but with obstacle avoidance sensors

Yes. Navigation and mapping is excellent on all currently available models. There are no noticeable differences. That's what Roborock is famous for. The laser scanner turret on top of the robot is doing an awesome job.

Q8 Max+ is better with additional obstacle avoidance.

Any Q can mop passively. You cannot exclude that. And what has mopping capability to do with "amazing computer vision"? I can well benefit from Q8 obstacle avoidance while just vacuuming.

It's not really all that complex. The mop on a Q5Pro+/Q8Max+ you'd probably never use is just a plastic holder and a piece of cloth on it. If you'd buy an S8+ and never use the mop, well that's a waste of money because it has the active VibraRise module. But if no obstacle avoidance is needed, the Q5Max+ without mop is a really capable and economic solution and I'd look no further.

Yes. Although you might have seen the price difference is quite significant. But if you don't have socks, dog toys and other small parts laying around where the robot could run over, it isn't really that necessary. The bumper is gentle and will do very well on the more solid objects.

Q8 Max+ in Roborock store is sold for USD 515.99 [https://us.roborock.com/pages/roborock-store#Q5/Q7/Q8-Series](https://us.roborock.com/pages/roborock-store#Q5/Q7/Q8-Series)

I just got it a few days ago and am running it head to head with a RoboRock Q8 Max+. See my comparison here: [https://www.reddit.com/r/Roborock/comments/1h2ip9d/switched\_from\_22\_roomba\_j7\_to\_roborock\_q8\_max/?sort=new](https://www.reddit.com/r/Roborock/comments/1h2ip9d/switched_from_22_roomba_j7_to_roborock_q8_max/?sort=new) So far, the C10 is leading over the Q8 for me. I have 2 dogs and hard floors with some low pile area rugs. Still running more tests with both, but I plan on returning one of them in another week during the 30 day trial period.

I have a Roborock q8max, maybe it’s got a plus in there. It does pretty well. I only have one wool rug, and I will say I have to vacuum the rug once or twice a week or the vacuum fills with rug tufts and dog hair.

I have 3 dogs, Roborock Q8 plus works well. The only issue is that even though it has no issue getting stuck on rollers, it quickly clogs the vaccum.

Please dont buy an roomba maybe an refurbished roborock they also haf great quality and longeity. Maybe an s7 ore the q8 q7 q5

Although I highly recommend having a self emptying base, this one fits all your points. Duo-rollers are amazing with hair and carpets. https://a.co/d/iLLMjOS

I had originally bought the Q8 Max+ for $399, but a day later they released the Q10 S5+ for $379 and The Roborock website offered an additional 6% discount ($356 total), so it seemed like a no-brainer to return the Q8. I think maybe that low price was just for a few days initially, it’s now around $419. The Q10 has more suction power and the vibrating mop pad were a nice upgrade. The only thing I don’t love is how difficult it is to get into the tank and to swap out the mop pad. The Q8 with the docking station had the mop pad and the water tank facing the user and it was easy to access both without having to remove the robot from the docking station. With the Q10 and the dock, you have to pull the robot out of the docking station to access the mop pad because it is on the dock side, and to remove the water tank, it doesn’t easily pop out of the robot from the user side. You need to left up the top lid, and then lift out the water tank.

I have the Roborock Q8 max and it does an excellent job getting up the dust and hair that my three dogs (one long haired German shepherd) bring it. It maps very well BUT it does get stuck on phone cords. It doesn’t eat the cords for my air purifier or lamps though. It has a mop attachment but it’s not a roller or spin and I feel like it’s just wiping dirt all over the floor after the first room. The software is top tier though, it maps and doesn’t fall down stairs and didn’t need help finding all of the rooms. It auto empties at the tower and the only time I had to fuss with it was when I left a sock under the bed. She ate the sock and kept trucking but it got clogged trying to empty into the bag in the tower. I was able to just pull the sock out and wash it though. I know that dreame has one that cuts the long hair as it goes and has a really good mop as well.

Of these, the worst mopping will be the Q5 and Q8 robots, which just have stationary pads attached to the back. The S8 also has a pad attached to the back, but includes a scrubbing motion via a plate that vibrates at a high speed. It's better than the Q5 and Q8. The best mopping will be on the Qrevo and Eufy X10. They have spinning mop pads, a dock which refills the water tank on the robot from its own water tank, and also cleans the pads automatically and stores the dirty water in another tank on the dock. Of the last two, each has its strengths and weaknesses. The X10 will be better at obstacle avoidance. The Qrevo is a Roborock, which has a better reputation for quality and reliability than the Eufy, and is also rated a little better than the Eufy at a lot of things: vacuuming performance, mopping performance, etc. It also can swing out one of its mop pads for better edge and corner cleaning, something the Eufy can't do. In some cases, obstacle avoidance is really critical, in which case I'd recommend the Eufy. Otherwise, the Qrevo is likely your best bet.

Both Ecovacs and iRobot are having issues these days with quality control with both hardware and software. In iRobot's case, this is part of a systemic issue with the company that could result in its failure. For Ecovacs, I don't know of any reason for its downward slide. Reputation-wise, Roborock is the leader right now for "just does what it says on the box with minimum hassle". They seem to have fewer quality issues (from my non-scientific observations of user reports), and their app and navigation are always rated at or near the top. For what you've described, I'd take a close look at the Qrevo series or the QV series. Prices range these days between about $600 and $1500 USD. There's a good buyer's guide [here](https://vacuumwars.com/ultimate-roborock-breakdown-2025-buyer-guide/) for Roborock products. I didn't see anything in your post that told me you need much more than the cheapest option, which would be the Qrevo S according to current Amazon prices. But definitely check the deals you can get. If you're a Costco member, Roborock sells some special-brand versions of their regular robots which might be worth considering as well. I'll also mention Mova, the budget/experimental brand of Dreame. They've been doing well in the budget category, delivering a lot of value for money. I will warn you, though, that they're a new brand, and don't seem to be quite on par with Roborock in terms of "just works" capability. But if you can't find a Roborock that looks good to you, that would be a potential alternative. Good luck!

So an unknown brand just came out with a fairly pedestrian robot with stationary-pad mopping, and it has a higher rating than some of the highest-regarded robots on the market? Nope. If you really need mopping on a budget, take a look at the Dreame D10+, Eufy L60 Hybrid, or one of the Roborock Q series robots. For a big improvement in mopping for not much more money, look at the Eufy C20 or Dreame L10s Ultra series. Mova can be good, if they've solved their problem with fragile front wheels. If you don't care about mopping, look at the Eufy L60 SES or SwitchBot K10+.

For Home Assistant, there are three options. Native integrations exist for some brands. SwitchBot will have the best native support; several of their devices are Works With Home Assistant certified, and they officially support Bluetooth, cloud, and Matter integration (see [here](https://us.switch-bot.com/pages/home-assistant) for more info). Some of those integrations will require the Matter Hub, but the Bluetooth integration specifically is local and doesn't require the Hub. Other native integrations: a Roborock integration ships with Home Assistant, and is well-maintained, but beware of very recent Roborock models, as they've changed the protocol to be more reliant on the cloud, and it hasn't been fully reverse-engineered yet. There's also a Dreame integration on HACS that seems to work well. Other integrations exist, but with varying quality, and it's common for newer devices to remain unsupported for long periods of time. As you mentioned, Valetudo is an option. The integration side should be solid, so it's mainly about how well your robot is supported. Don't stray from the official hardware compatibility list! The third option is to use Matter integration. If the model claims Matter support, you should be able to add it to Home Assistant. If you can, get a robot with Matter 1.4 support or better; Matter 1.4 is where they introduced the ability to clean specific rooms. Functionality will be fairly standardized, but likely will not be as full-featured as a good native integration. As for which would be best: given your strong preference for local control, I'd take a good look at the SwitchBot S10. Pay close attention to reviews, which have not all been positive. The S10 is unique in that it comes with two bases, with one dedicated to dustbin emptying and one to water management. The water base hooks up to plumbing by default, but you can buy add-on water tanks if you prefer. There's also an available humidifier and dehumidifier, which can be filled and emptied by the robot. The Roborock Q8 Max+ should also be a good option. It's a better vacuum, but the mopping will be better with the SwitchBot. You're still relying on cloud support, but Home Assistant should work with it. Edited to add a note about SwitchBot Bluetooth.

I bought two. Our home has one very fluffy cat and a guinea pig. -roborock Q8 Max+. This one I intend for our main level. It’s hardwood with area rugs. One tiled bathroom (that is large) and one carpeted bedroom. I don’t know how often I will use the mop function. Hardwood makes me nervous for a robot mop, and I don’t mind doing it myself if the floors are vacuumed. -roborock Q7 M5. Then I wanted something very inexpensive for the 2nd level. Separately I ordered just about the cheapest roborock available. This level is all carpet, some tile. Mop function is sort of unneeded but we’ll try it out. (Biggest bathroom has some tile issues so I prefer to mop myself. 3 other tile areas are very small, very awkward shape) This is to replace our Eufy G30 Verge that we loved and used well for 4y, but only runs 5 minutes at a time. Do I pay for battery replacement? Either way, I plan to put this in the basement which is laminate or lvp (I don’t know the difference. Easygoing fake wood :) and some unfinished concrete.

We‘ve bought a Roborock Q8 max without the expensive station for 220€. We dont need the mopping so i just never mounted it. Navigation and vacuuming is great, would i take a little more Pascal suction powe, sure. But for the price we paid its so great. We empty the dust container abput all 2 weeks which is more than enough at our house. Also we run it everyday and coming home to a clean flat is sooo satisfying 🥳 highly recommend roborock q8 if you can get a good deal or maybe wait for q9 series i think it cant be that far away. This may have better suction and a brush that has less struggles with long hair.

So you know it does? Suction power may be irrelevant to decide between 5000 and 7000 but id the new ones have 20k or 22k compared to the 5k its just a huge difference one wil notice. also the test results show a clear difference espesially on carpet

We were asking ourself the same 2 months ago and decided for a budget one but from (in my oppinion) the best brand, roborock. We‘be bought the Roborock Q8 max without the station since its no issue for us to self empty the dustbin every 2 weeks. We are more than happy with it, the OA works fine except with very small items like below 1-2cm then it doesnt work. But i would go for an established Manufacturer with a nice app since its so addictive watching it changing settings etc. I fully recommend this robot!

I think they have a Roborock. My picture isn't clear enough to try and read brand name but it looks just like mine. The higher end models of virtually every robot vacuum brand can handle GSD shedding. You should take the leap, it will either free up hours of your time, transform your house, or both depending on how hard you personally wage the war on fluff in your house atm. I personally use the Roborock Q8 Max and it's just stellar. No notes, wouldn't change a thing about it. I used iRobot for years and it did an excellent job cleaning but it's navigation and mapping left a lot to be desired.

For reference, we have a Newfoundland, so our pet hair situation is pretty extreme. We have a Roborock Q8 Max+ and it does a pretty good job. Roborock has the best navigation software of any robot vacuum in my experience (we've also had Eufy and a Roomba). It's got several other features I consider helpful for dealing with a lot of pet hair. - Dual counter-rotating rollers instead of a single brush. They pick up more and you don't have to clean them out as often because hair doesn't wind around them as easily. We probably have to clean the rollers off once a week or so. - Self-emptying. This takes us from having to empty the bin daily to changing the bag weekly. - High level of suction.

I had a Eufy L60 SES and the problem with it was that it only has a 2600 mah battery compared to the Roborocks standard 5200 mah battery. I did return it and got a Roborock Q8 Max + and like it much better. Another problem with the L60 is it seemed to hop along carpets rather than run smooth across the carpet. The Q8 Max has 5the electronic pump water for mopping which is just drag behind mopping. If you don't care about mopping I think your best bet would be the Roborock Q5 Pro +. It has a water tank on it for mopping but it really is useless because it is just gravity fed water and many times doesn't even wet the floor. [https://www.amazon.com/roborock-Q5-Pro-Self-Emptying-Hands-Free/dp/B0C7VN9NWK?ref\_=ast\_sto\_dp&th=1](https://www.amazon.com/roborock-Q5-Pro-Self-Emptying-Hands-Free/dp/B0C7VN9NWK?ref_=ast_sto_dp&th=1) If you can get closer to your $500.00 budget the Qrevo S is a steal at $460.00. That will do a good job of mopping and vacuuming. [https://www.amazon.com/roborock-Qrevo-Self-Drying-Self-Emptying-Refilling/dp/B0CTZXJTGJ?ref\_=ast\_sto\_dp&th=1](https://www.amazon.com/roborock-Qrevo-Self-Drying-Self-Emptying-Refilling/dp/B0CTZXJTGJ?ref_=ast_sto_dp&th=1)

I'm on my 4th Roborock The S4 Max. Q5 Pro, Q8 Max and Qrevo Pro which all have lidar navigation and none has ever failed. I watch these forums closely and have notg seen anybody complaining about lidar failure. The top cover of the lidar navigation is actually a button that gets pressed down if a vacuum tries going under someplace where it won't fit such as a couch. Narwal is fairly new to the scene and I have not used their vacuums. I know one thing that I don't like about them is the vacuums don't have on board water tank so if you want to take it to a different floor to mop all you have is the moisture that is on the mop, no tank to replenish the water.

For just vacuuming you should look at the Q5 Max+, Q5 Pro+ or the Q8 Max+. For the Q8 Max Plus you are paying extra for the electronic water pump for mopping that the Q5 products don't. You can compare up to three Roborock products at the following link Good Luck [https://us.roborock.com/pages/robot-vacuum-cleaner-compare](https://us.roborock.com/pages/robot-vacuum-cleaner-compare)

It is not true obstical avoidance on the Q8 Max, at best it may help with getting around table and chair legs but is not even close to a true obstacle avoidance.

The Q7 only has 4200 pascals of suction and I believe is on close out. The Q5 and Q8 both have 5500 pascals of suction.

For the price (£250) I am very impressed with mine. Its got LiDAR, a mop, empties itself, etc. Its really neat to watch on the app as it goes about your house and maps it out. Its only gotten stuck twice, and both times were on the same chair that has horizontal bars at floor level that it can get over if it runs at it head on, but can high side itself if approaching from an angle. Definitely does not replace vacuuming as a whole though as it just cant physically get into the corners, and the vacuum itself isnt enough to really suck stuff out of the carpet, more just pick up things on top. I treat it more like a broom than anything else, but having a pet it helps me keep on top of things.

I would go with duo divide. We have seen that going dual roller didn’t make any meaningful improvements for Roborock. This was My experience and many reviewers as well. The duo divide roller actually does greatly improve the capturing of hair without tangling. And the models that have this roller also have an improved side brush that tangles less. It’s a win win. Though the side brush doesn’t have the option to turn in for carpet. (Ahem - Roborock)

I've got a Roborock Q8MAX and it's been pretty great in my carpet. Only exception I'd say is fluff, loose fluffy bits from socks/ugg boots seen to stay on the carpet but things like dust and crumbs are easily done

The price is really nice, but its also a very basic robot, basically a 2019 S5 Max with a few tweaks. I wouldnt bother with a autoempty station for it as my experience with S5/S6/S7/Q7 is that these are pretty dumb robots and very often get stuck somewhere or devour something and not make it back. From cheaper Roborocks the Q8 is pretty nice, it has obstacle avoidance and I was susprised how good it is even compared to much more expensive S8. It just does what it should and its pretty smart. They are 275USD here dont know how it is where you live.

From my experience. Roborock Q8 very good for the price, S7 Maxv little better than S8, both great, Dreame L10S Pro as great. The newer more expensive stuff is even little better like X40 Ultra, but it has the docks.. Electrolux i9.2 had suprisingly good obstacle avoidance, could even avoid small cables, but god did that robot suck in anything else.

I have the q7 tf, in Thailand and spent about £125 on it and it's been on sale cheaper for like £90. 10,000 suction LiDAR, crazy price.

I've been a long time adopter of robot vacuums and have had my fair share of furry dogs, including a woolly malamute + shiba pair. Currently I only have a single dog (shiba). Right now, I use dual Roborock (Q8 Max+ and S7 MaxV Ultra - upstairs/downstairs) - they are outside of your price window, but there are similar models out there for cheaper. The thing you have to understand about robot vacs is that they are light duty usage. You will still need to maintain a regular deep cleaning routine - whatever you deem necessary to keep your house in a state which you think is acceptable. The robot basically allows you to extend that maintenance window a little bit. Instead of a deep vacuum every week, maybe it's every week and a half. Something like that. They help keep the furballs down, but they won't knock them out. Also, they are much better on hard flooring versus carpet - although if you deep clean carpets, they pick up surface fur/hair well enough. Also keep in mind that you will have to do regular maintenance and replace parts on all of these. They are not zero maintenance machines. The regularity with which you do your maintenance will have a pretty big impact on the overall life of the vacuum. These are also not BIFL. Honestly, these will probably run at their peak performance for around 2-3yrs (depending on how often you schedule their jobs) before they start degrading. Batteries will probably the be the first thing that goes, but these are generally replaceable. I have Roombas that are limping along that are seven+ years old, but you can tell there's just something wrong with them (I swear they're depressed). If I had to slap a lifespan on them, I'd guess five good years. If you're ok with that, Roborock, Dreame, and Ecovacs are the brands that consistently pop up as having decent all around ratings. Roborock is by far the best all-around and most consistent. HOWEVER, this is a very rapidly changing market and what's top dog one year can be completely ousted the next thanks to shitty app updates or... well... tariffs. iRobot and their Roomba still... exists... and I guess they'd be ok as a potential "I just need a robot and this was the only one I could find in the store" option. But everything about them is pretty subpar now - the robots are inconsistent and considered pretty stupid, their app is mediocre, and their pricing is just non-competitive compared to the other brands. At minimum, I would suggest a robot which includes a self-emptying dock. It does drive up the price a bit, and the docks often aren't compatible with other models, even from the same brand - but it's almost a requirement if you have pets, unless you want to empty the robot out halfway though a job. Vacuum Wars has a website with a top 20 list as well as a YouTube channel - very worth checking out. Go through his list, find a robot that has all the functions you're looking for at the price point that's acceptable.

I love my Roborock Q8 max. Only thing I’d trade it for would be a higher end Roborock. Compared to my old iRobot, which bumped into a lot of stuff, it’s nice watching the Roborock delicately approach a piece of furniture and stop 1/2” away.

Q8 Max+ is solid. Obviously navigation ain't as good as in the flagship models

No idea, haven't used S8+. Q8 Max seems to be way cheaper than S8+. Personally I am really happy with Q8's ability to handle carpets. Vacuumwars had really solid comment: https://www.reddit.com/r/Roborock/s/ATsAtMkyT9

Second the OP.  I'd recommend getting a Roborock or similar with self emptying vacuum. It works best on hardwood floors. Carpet not so much. Look into robots with high suction power. Like the other OP, you will still need to dyson up nooks and crannies manually, but the ability to schedule frequent self vacuum in high traffic areas cuts down on your workload significantly.  The self mopping feature imo is not worth it, but maybe the newest models have improved.  From experience, you will want robots that can detect animals (I've seen videos where the robot runs over the dogs tails, gets stuck, and terrifies the dogs). Also look for ones that can detect objects like poop, so you don't come home to a Jackson pollock painting. Look into the clearance height of the robot as well, and compare to your furniture if you are looking to have the robot go under couches and stuff. For example, our roborock barely fits under the couch, and even with 1 cm clearance, will avoid going under the couch if it detects the under-couch fabric is hanging too low (we fixed this by reholstering the bottom of the couch). Worth mentioning if you work from home that the self emptying vacuum feature can get loud, but it is usually very brief and you should be able to schedule emptying times. The robot vacuum companies get you on the replacement parts, which are not cheap. You do get what you pay for though, and routine maintenance (cleaning sensors, replacing brushes, untangling hair from rollers) goes a long way in longevity. I haven't found a robot vacuum that does not pick up hairs in the dog roller yet, so expect to periodically open up the robot to remove hair (usually very easy). For replacement parts, you can go third party for cheaper. Especially so when buying replacements for big brand/popular models. For example, you can get an unofficial 5 pack of vacuum bags for the self emptying vacuum for the same cost as 1 official one (or something like that). For carpets, I'd just go with those manual carpet brushes. Picks up way more hair more efficiently than any vacuum. Just my 2 cents. 

I recently picked up a Roborock Q8 Max+ and I love it so far. Just me, my partner, and a Corgi who sheds like crazy. Multi-level mapping is great, it has the main floor, upstairs, and the basement mapped so I can just plop the vacuum on any level and it'll vacuum and the return to the starting position if the dock isn't on that floor. Takes care of all the fur laying around and cooking debris and stuff like that no problem. No tangles in the rollers so far even with toy stuffing and string the dog destroys and long pet fur and my fiancee's long hair. The mopping isn't fantastic but it's decent for maintenance mopping - and you can specify carpets in the app and it won't go there with the mop attachment connected. Overall I've been really happy with it and I have it scheduled to run overnight every night on the main floor (where the dock is) and it's nice not having fur everywhere. It also auto-empties which is really nice.

Get the Roborock QR 798 or Q10 PF/VF or its + variant if you want an automatic empty station included. I'm in Southeast Asia, too! I have had a Q7 TF (similar to Q10 without a vibrating mop and obstacle avoidance) for three weeks, and I love it. I mainly use it to clean hard floors and low-pile rugs. - Q10 has two versions PF (lifting mop) and VF (vibrating mop similar to S8 Max and Saros 10). The + variants included the auto-empty station. - QR 798 is similar to QRevo S but slightly cheaper at least in my country 🇮🇩 - Xiaomi X20+ quite similar to Dreame L10 series and cheaper than QR 798 and L10 (in 🇮🇩). It already has obstacle avoidance features, but unlike Roborock Q7TF and Q10 PF/VF, it doesn't have an anti-hair tangle feature. - Xiaomi X 20 Max - Dreame L10s Ultra gen 2 All these robots use structured light sensors for obstacle avoidance. Unlike the AI camera sensor, it performs less than the latter. Structured light performs worse in detecting very small objects or objects on a high pile and carpet with complex patterns.

For crevices, you need a robot with a bristle main brush. Dreame L series and Mova usually use rubber brushes, which, according to reviewers on YT, don't pick up dust in crevices well unlike bristle ones. Some Roborock model like Q5 Pro, Q8 Max, Qrevo S, and QV35A/S also uses a similar brush. I think if you don't mind with prices, E28 or E25 is a good candidate because its roller mop is superior. Roborock also has a new lineup called S5A which is the cheaper version of Qrevo Edge. Now it's $899 on Amazon. S5A uses a similar Duo Divide split brush as in Qrevo Edge and Eufy E28, a self-empty station, and obstacle avoidance but only using structured light without a live camera.

Maybe try the Q10V+ because you could save some money. I have a cheaper Q7 TF, which is basically Q10 PF/VF without a vibrating mop pad and obstacle avoidance sensor. It did a good job as a hard floor sweeper even in quiet settings, and it already has anti-hair tangling features, which, in my case, I never had a single human hair strand stuck for three weeks.

I think if your main objective is just vacuuming, buying X20 is kind of overkill. The budget Xiaomi S20+ is decent and it has a spinning mop and a structured light obstacle avoidance, but it lacks a self-empty dock. Therefore, Q8 Max+ is a better choice in this regard. It is also equipped with a structured light obstacle avoidance and a dual contra-rotating roller that should give better carpet cleaning than a single brush.

Oh, that's the Australian version of Q7 TF (Asia), Q7 L5 (Canada), and Q7 M5 (US). I have Q7 TF for 4 months and it works great for me. Mine has larger suction power (10000 Pa) vs Q7b (8000 Pa). The anti-tangle brush works great for human hair (but idk for pet hair since my cat is always outside). The mopping is ancient like a Swiffer, but the electronically controlled water pump valve is better than the passive/gravity one in the older Q5. I would like to have the plus version, but at that time it was out of stock, so I took one without the self-empty dock.

Thanks for the extra details — that helps a ton. You're right to focus on mopping performance, especially if you don’t have carpets. In that case, *rotating mops* (like on the L10s Pro) usually outperform the VibraRise vibration pads on the S8/S8 Pro when it comes to actual scrubbing power on hard floors. The Dreame setup is more aggressive and consistent for stuck-on grime. Quick breakdown now that I know: ✅ **Dreame L10s Pro** * Rotating mop pads = better for homes with mostly hard floors * Suction is excellent (basically tied with S8) * Great overall hardware for the price * Main limitation: no auto-empty base, but you already accepted that tradeoff ✅ **Roborock S8 / S8 Pro** * Strong suction and dual brush system * Vibration mop is solid, but less effective than Dreame’s rotation in most daily use * Cleaner UI, smarter map features * S8 Pro adds auto mop lifting, which is helpful *only* if you had carpets (you don’t) ✅ **Q8 Max+** * A little newer than S8, cheaper, and adds some S8-level features (like dual brushes) * No rotating or vibrating mop * You’d downgrade mopping if you switched 🎯 **Bottom Line:** You made a solid pick with the L10s Pro *for your use case* — no carpets, hard floors, care about mop quality, and don’t need the base. Suction is more or less tied across these models, but Dreame gives you better scrubbing where it counts. If you’re still tempted by the S8 Pro, ask yourself: Would you pay extra *just* for map interface, firmware polish, and base compatibility? If not, stick with the L10s Pro and don’t look back. You got the right tool for the job.

I have the Q8 and if you are going to put the mop on it, it is not your option because it does not raise it when it goes over carpets and it will wet and dirty the carpet, for that there are other more expensive models that do, otherwise, The roborock Q8MAX + works very well if you don't give importance to scrubbing, because it doesn't work. I can't tell you about the rest of the models because I haven't had them.

I have no pets, so i dont mind emptying myself. Just ordered roborock Q8 max without docking station, after an intensive search. I'm not gonna use the mop. It it said to have good obstacle avoidance, I will have to find out. But for me it was Important that I can put the vac somewhere under. And that I can empty the dustbin without having to turn vac while it is not in use. I paid 300 euro's at amazon.de

Roborock q8, and dont use the mop. I had the same requirements, but almost every good robovac has some kind of mop. I surrendered and bought the q8. The Q8 has great vac specs and mediocre mop specs. Just don't install the removable mop.

So if the S5V is the Curv/Edge, but without warm mop washing, camera, lifting roller brush, lifting chassis and 2/3 max suction, it's probably a great deal at that price! (Currently using a Q8 Max+ and Qrevo Edge)

It's funny as my Q8 Max+ does more than enough to avoid problems and I just received an Edge that I'll setup tomorrow, but got it for the extra stuff while I'm away and local voice + Matter, but I'll be surprised if it operates any differently. More news in 48h 😅

I feel like this is too much of a dichotomy, I run a Q8 Max+ and Edge white I'm away, in 2 different places with a toddler, and though I tiddy the toys a bit, I'm not touching anything else and any LiDAR Roborock these days will do an amazing job navigating a normal house. Just watch him run the first time or two and adjust the one thing that may be problematic, but don't go spending hundreds more for basically no gain for most people. Yes for the sofa if you can afford it... I didn't feel it was worth it in my case.

I have a Qrevo (not the master, just one of the OGs I think) and I haven’t really had a problem. I’ve had it a year, I run it daily, and I can count on one hand the number of times it’s eaten cat toys. The only consistent issue I have with it is that I have a blanket with fringe and if the fringe hangs too far off the couch onto the floor the Qrevo will get tangled in that. But that’s genuinely the only issue I’ve had with obstacles.  I also have a Q8 Max upstairs on carpet and that sumbitch craves toy mice. Nothing can sate its bottomless appetite for cat toys. Idk if it’s the carpet or the model but it’s a consistent issue. (Still better the roomba I had up there before tho.) The path finding on the Q8 is great, but it refuses to avoid the cat toys. 

My house is 50 years old and has lots of levels as was the custom when it was built. I use a Roborock Q8 and it works ok for me. I tidy up one of the levels and then move the robot there to clean. I empty the dust compartment and carry it back to the charger (or next level) when it finishes. The Q8 has LiDAR scanning which is nice in theory. It gets stuck in some places such as carpeted stairs down or rugs with fringe. I like that I can create a no-go zone for these areas. Unfortunately, it only supports four different levels and even then sometimes it doesn’t recognize where it is.

agreed. I spent a long time looking for the best vacuum only option and always ended up on this one. It’s sometimes harder to find, at least where I leave (is Roborock stopping selling them?). Finally got the Q8 Max and didn’t put the mop on the vacuum…

Yes! Don’t get the Curv plus it’s cheaply built and ugly. The S8 MaxV has premium materials. They are all plastic but the Curv and Q series feel flimsy.

You might not be happy with the build quality of the lower end series like the Q. Stick with Premium. I would get the S series or Saros. The Q series feels very cheap compared to the S plus it can handle the hair NP. It’s a more attractive unit too unless you like a shiny egg that looks like it came out of an 80s movie. lol

I second this. Have our Q8 and it's great, just next time I'd get the ones with the vibrating mops.

Roomba's have pretty subpar mapping & navigation compared to most other brands. We have one (older) Roomba that relies on VSLAM for navigation and one Roborock that uses LiDAR; the difference is night and day. I would avoid iRobot on that alone until they change their tech.

Depends on your flooring and needs If carpets - Roborock - best vacuuming particularly if you pair it with an auto empty dock (most newer models) If hardwood and no pets (Read not an inordinate amount of vacuuming) - Eufy S1 Pro - Best mopping hands down along with pretty good vacuuming

I've had the Q5 and Q8 maxand I will say the Q8 is markedly better. The "mop" on it is not really mopping, it's more like a light wipe-down with a damp rag, which is good enough for me. I don't want to deal with the added complexity and potential leakage with a true mopping setup. The app is the best I've seen so far. The Roborocks in my experience don't get stuck as much either. The navigation is more intelligent.

Just get the q5pro or q8pro and remove the mop and reservoir. That's what i did. The q5pro have a larger dustbin of 770ml. Basically the same as the S8 but cheaper.

We have two shedding dogs and we love our Roborocks. The first one, while it was fantastic filled kinda quickly (not their fault, our dogs shed A LOT) so it was a minor inconvenience to empty it halfway through it's cleaning 2700sqft. My brother became disabled so I gave him that one for his apartment. He loves it and his helper can empty it and help him with harder care items so it saves him money (he was initially being charged an hour every day for vacuuming, now he's not). The second one I got was self emptying so it can continue all by itself and I really appreciate it. I only have to empty the main basin once a week and that's it. Super convenient and does a fantastic job cleaning. I used to vacuum at least twice a day to stay on top of the hair. Now I do a "deep" vacuum once a week- baseboards, under carpets, etc. Roborock gave me hours of my life back and that's not an exaggeration.

The comment about robot vacuums only being for small places is probably based on the old random pattern robots. Most robots now map and do well in large houses. It sounds like most mapping robots would work for you, since you don't want mopping, have hardfloors, and no pets. So anything with lidar (prefered) or vslam navigation. Obstacle avoidance might be a useful feature for cords, shoes, toys etc. left on the ground. It might be worth looking into a Eufy L60, iRobot Roomba j series, Roborock Q series, or shark. I'm biased because I have three robot vacs (Roborock S6, Ecovacs x1 omni, and iRobot Roomba j5+ combo) and my roomba j5+ is the only one that is reliable and working at the moment

Get a self emptying Roborock one. Roombas are crap that are basically all about their name now. You will have to clean the fur out of some spots on it at times, but if you run it every day it will keep most of it out of the way.

If its data [you want use this tool.](https://vacuumwars.com/compare/robot-vacuums/)Vacuum wars tests this with their "Flattened hair pick up" test. They press hair into the carpet for this test. If you go to their comparison tool you can filter by the best. Id look for anything with score of 20 or higher. There is another test called the "Carpet Deep Clean" test where they pour sand in the carpet deeply embedded in 2.5" carpet and see how much sand it gets out. Anything 80 or higher is probably good. The problem is that these kind of tests favor cheap end tier vacuums for some reason, so most expensive and highest suction power doesn't translate to real world performance of deep cleaning carpets Roborock Q8 Max+ seems to be the sweet spot here between good features and good performance on these tests. The dyson is really good at picking up hair out of carpets but the trade off is it is god awful at everything else

I have q8 max and it is great. But if you want good mopping 100% go for the Q Revo S, the mopping on the q8 is very basic, its definitely worth the extra money.

The Roborock Q8 Max+ is great and not expensive. I have a dog that sheds. Mostly hardwood floors/area rugs and love it. I live in a 100 year old house with original wood floors and don't trust the mop feature.

I have 2 cats and a Roborock Q8 Max+ and it has no issues getting all the hair. The hair also dont get tangled in the special rubber brushes on the bottom of it.

My Roborock has zero issues getting all the pet hair and they don't get tangled up in it either? I have two cats that shed a LOT.

The Q8 already has a bit more "mop" stuff, as the water tank is internal and with the dust bin. And you can control the amount of water dispensed. The Q5 is the least "moppy" one, as the water tank gets attached to the bottom, along with the mop and there's no active water strength control.

The mops lift but chassis doesn't İ have a max (no adaptive lifting) and it does fine with high pile carpets

Or they could get a Roborock with dual rollers. I’m waiting on a q8 Max+ to be delivered which is going to replace my Roomba i6. I wanted the dual rubber rollers I was used to but more advanced mapping and app experience. I’m excited about this vacuum!