Therm-a-Rest - NeoAir Topo Luxe

thermarest neoair topo luxe. 30 inches wide! You just need a tent wide enough for it.

If the Prolite works great for you, why not keep it and cut weight elsewhere? Pads are quite subjective, like recommending shoes. I agree it's a grail hunt, I've went through a bunch too! The Neoair is my go-to, the Exped Ultra is my favorite, and I can get by on a z-lite in warmer weather.

I’ve been car camping once in the LC. I bought a 4 in thick sleep pad from Thermarest. With that thickness, I could not feel the step up to the seats, though I could feel the incline from feet to head. I might fold up a blanket for two to place under the lower half to level it some.

Anything from Thermarest would be my recommendation. I've got the Neo Air Luxe and it's fantastic. But whatever brand/mat you go with, I'd 100% recommend you get the wide version, such a better sleep.

I’m your size. Thermarest Topo Lux XL.

You can use a combo of an inflatable pad and closed cell foam (CCF) pad. In theory, pad R-values are additive when layered, although IME there can be some heat loss out of the side of an inflatable pad, thus, if in doubt, place the CCF on top in cold weather. My current winter/snow/frozen ground pad system is a NeoAir Topo Luxe (3.7R) and a Z Lite Sol (2.0R) = total 5.7R. Which Washington? I'm in WA state and have a new-in-box Exped Synmat HL Winter LW (5.0R) that I'd sell for cheap. It was a warranty replacement for a first gen Winterlite (baffle failure). Exped claims that the baffle seam issue has been fixed, and the lack of reports of failures on forums tend to support this. I apologize if I've broken any rules re selling. I'm not that eager to sell, but I'm willing to help out a fellow mountaineer with limited funds. I once lived that life.

Dang I just bought their large NeoAir Topo luxe pad (also huge and heavy) but this looks like it's got much better side rails to keep you centered.

If you need something plush, Thermarest Topo Luxe Large or XL. The XL is 80”x30x4” weighs 2lbs. I use it when not hiking. I’m 6’4” as well. Super comfortable with extra width to sprawl out. I’ve been thinking about reducing my base weight to the bare minimum to use this instead of an X-lite.

If you need something plush, Thermarest Topo Luxe Large or XL. The XL is 80”x30x4” weighs 2lbs. I use it when not hiking. I’m 6’4” as well. Super comfortable with extra width to sprawl out. I’ve been thinking about reducing my base weight to the bare minimum to use this instead of an X-lite.

Gonflé bien ferme, présente t-il un problème ?! Je suis de fort gabarit ! J'ai un Néoair Topo Luxe  que j'adore ! J'ai aussi un Xtherm 😉 !

Je suis en amour avec mon  TOPO  !  Est-ce que tu la essayer ?!

I just got a thermarest top deluxe on sale, and absolutely love it. Pair it with one of those cheap rechargeable pumps on amazon and you have a very comfy, lightweight, and convenient pad.

Lots of options if you're okay losing the self-inflating aspect. Thermarest Neoloft or Topo Luxe are two that immediately come to mind. Big Agnes Rapide SL is 3.75"

I've bought the Haven XL with the new True Level pad this fall and really like it so far. I also bought the Thermarest Topo Luxe XL at the same time (which has roughly the same size) but admittedly like the new Haven pad a bit more. The new design works really great and given the low price when being bought as a set with the hammock I think it's always worth a shot even when you already own the Thermarest. Haven has recently released a True Level style pad for the Safari too

Thermarest Topo Luxe XL is the best compromise I've found soo far. Heavier than the average sleeping pad but given it's thickness and size it packs down really small.

From what I know, Sea to Summit, Nemo Equipment, and Big Agnes sleeping pads are all made in China. As far as I’m aware, Therm-a-Rest is the only major brand still manufacturing in the USA and the EU. Honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised if many of the others come from the same factory. Over the years, I’ve tried a lot of sleeping pads, and most of them have had some kind of issue. The only one I can truly vouch for is the Therm-a-Rest Topo Luxe — it’s been rock solid. Given the price point of the Kilos Gear pad and the lack of widespread reviews (aside from a few smaller YouTube channels that speak highly of it), I think I’ll give it a shot. Worst case scenario I'll lose 100 euros :D

I’ve gone back and forth…recently I had 2 neoairs (a regular and a wide) both with leaks in my gear storage. I patched the wide and took it on a 5 day trip in the Grand Canyon, in which it failed on night 1. I’ve also had trouble with customer support and warranties. I 100% sleep better on them when they work, and I like the smaller volume since I use a 20 liter pack often. That said, If reliability matters (a thru) and money matters, ccf all the way

The thermarest Neo air mats are lightweight and good quality, if a little pricey. MEC alternatives aren’t bad either. I prefer a foam/air mix pad and have been really happy with the one I have form Sea to Summit. If you want to be on the inexpensive side, look at Woods or Decathalon, but expect more weight.

I have found and fixed a leak in my NeoAir, but I can't imagine finding the hole while on the trail.

I've 200+ nights on my NeoAir. I've patched a couple holes over that time, but it was easy to identify and fix them in the field. Cascade Designs, the parent company of thermarest, will replace your pad if there's a defect in it (I've warrantied an MSR tent with them). Thru hikers use inflatable pads and do just fine. Are you having this problem with multiple brands and models? Are you super heavy? Are you sleeping wearing anything that is metal? Maybe get a gossamer gear 1/8" foam pad and put it underneath your inflatable.

Then it’s a CCF pad for you. I’ve had no issues with reliability. I’ve owned an Uberlite and two Neoairs (NXT and non). But if something can break, it will eventually. I’d recommend babying it, in every way (site selection and clearing, handling, etc.).

6’4”, 220, although with a back that does not require repair. Most comfortable backpacking pad I tried is S2S Comfort Insulated Plus. Weight is awful - 2.5 lb - but the double chamber system is excellent at balancing protection from the ground and support vs having a softer top to rest on. Large rectangular size provides enough space, especially if you are a back sleeper. Outside of double chamber systems like that one, basically Thermarest NeoAir are the best of the bunch. Pricy but thick and performant. The popular S2S Etherlight is thicker, but also requires being inflated firmer which makes it overall meh unless you specifically want ultra-firm.

It has taken a few weeks on sleeping on my thermarest neoair to figure it out for consistent sleep: deflating so I’m only just off the ground, and ear plugs. That combo works for me for backpacking. Canoe camping I still prefer my self inflating tractor with a blue foam mat underneath for that little extra cushion!

Not a duo, but after trying a series of pads my partner (who is usually cold at night) loves her vectair, when comparing it to my Neo and her old self-inflating.

For solo? Assuming you don’t need a free standing tent, take a look at Mier Lanshan 1P on Amazon. It uses a trekking pole. I have like a 16 year old NeoAir pad which rolls up slightly smaller than a Nalgene. It’s kinda pricey but they still make them.

Exactly this! I also just switched from NeoAir to Exped for this reason after trying my partner's Exped. So much more comfortable although ever so slightly bigger/heavier.

This is subjective. For me, yes, an inflatable pad is worth it for better sleep quality. Foam pads just don't work for me. In your case, you report that you already sleep fine on a foam pad so why not just stick with it? Regarding durability of an inflatable, yes it's likely lower but you may be able to patch it and still worth it for sleep quality. I did get a leak in my NeoAir but I set up camp in a reasonable spot and was able to put my pack under it and it was ok. Patched it when I got home. The hot ticket item for me is actually the short Prolite. Very similar weight to my old NeoAir, bit more durable, adequate ground insulation, and still has a bit of foam. Takes up more space but still fits in my packs with usual loadouts.

I'm doubtful the exped is more durable than the neoair. Exped uses a 20D fabric vs a 30D for the neoair. Denier isn't everything but we can suppose both brands use good quality fabric. The neoair is one of the highest rated inflatable pad on the pct survey, it wouldn't be the case if they were constantly popping. I don't think you should ever use it on bare ground though.

I had a neoair and never had a good night sleep. I loved the packed size and weight, but I always felt like I was perched on it and would be thrown off if I wriggled. I also had one of the older, noisier ones so it sounded like a crisp packet. I now use a short prolite which is a combination of foam and air. I’m much closer to the floor and it all feels a lot more stable. This results in me managing to sleep for 8 hours on the trail which is priceless. It’s heavier and no pad under my feet so I put my bag under my feet on cold nights. But having a good night sleep after a long day on your feet is worth the extra weight.

I’m taking a neoair AND a RIDGEREST!!!!! Luxury baby! Base weight is still 11 pounds cuz of a few other luxuries but DO IT!

You've tested *all* of them? You find the Nemo more comfortable than an Etherlite XT? An REI Helix? An Exped? A Rapide SL? That doesn't compute for me. The Nemo is more comfy than a Neoair but well below all of those.

2 things here, time of year is key, the other is age. even late spring, in the uplands in the UK you can get hyperthermia pretty easily without decent ground insulation. You mention student, so i'm guessing circa 17-22. You should be able to sleep on a roll mat just fine at thatt age with, esp after a day's hard PT in the outdoors. For this if you want to save money, forget amazon entirely and look at an army foam matt, or a thermarest one if want to buy from a regular shop. Both will keep you alive and insulated in all weathers. As for airpads, they are a liability. I know i've had most brands over the years and the reality is there is no cutting corners. Sure can get a cheap one from amazon, say trekology one of the better one's but know it will fail, and its not a question of if, but when. Note a non insulated airpad, you will have a very very uncomforable night, as in freezing. I've been all over, all different terrains and super remote, a hard foam matt will never fail and you should always carry one, even if you have a top of the range airmat, because without one, if the airpad fails your screwed. As for air pads themselves. My advice is having tried all leading brands, save up and get a thermorest neoair (avoid uber) and go for a xtherm if wanting winter, and the normal(yellow) one if 3 season. yes they are expensive but if they fail (which out of all the matt's ive had over the years are the most reliable) the customer service is second to none, you will get a replacement. So you can buy x number of cheap pads without any ability to get a replacement a year down the road, but over the seasons it adds up. So best advice, is save up a little, make home brew to save money lol, and buy once, but buy quality. The other thing is sleeping bags, and again that becomes very costly. If your young and thus should be fit and thus your not worrying about every gram, look no further than uk ex military surplus stock for sleeping systems/bags. They will last, are well proven and just work.

Slept on a ZLite on the AT and PCT, bought a NeoAir for the CDT and slept great on all of them. 10+ years later and I can’t even come close to a good nights sleep on a 25 inch wide pad with a decent pillow. Probably just need to hike more miles.

I had one of the first neo airs and I used on extended trips and for work. I also let my dogs walk all over it. I used it on rocks and twigs. It took like 10 years to get a hole.

I've been using the thermarest neos air ones since they were introduced.

Buy once cry once. Get a nemo Tensor all season or a Thermarest Neoair - you can find both used on ebay for less than rrp.

I’m a side sleeper and went from the Tensor to the Thermarest neo air. The tensor is crazy noisy and if you flip from side to side like I do it’ll wake you and anyone you sleep near up. It’s really loud to me. The Thermarest is way quieter, has a higher r value and I’ve been pretty comfortable side sleeping on it in a zenbivy quilt and sheet. Seems a bit counter intuitive, but sometimes I find that I’ve made it too firm after a few hours and I just reach up and let a bit of air out if I’m feeling any discomfort and go right back to sleep.

yeah sometimes you end up in a bind where the pad that is the most comfortable for you is one that is prone to having some manufacturing defect that reveals itself slowly. i wish i was more comfortable on thermarest neoair but i just can't sleep good on horizontal baffles. i know they're more reliable over the long term. but what are you gonna do. what kills me is people on this sub who act like because pads develop weld defects that means you're WaStEfUl or bad at caring for your gear. it's asinine

I know they are light but the neoair durability isn’t great. Also Cascade (thermarest) just moved from Seattle to Reno and I bet things are super disorganized still I opted for the Exped Ultra series. There’s a weight penalty but I find them much more comfortable, and Exped repairs pads for the cost of shipping to Tacoma.

Highly recommend a thermarest Neoair. I have the X-therm which is the highest R rating they do and is fantastic in winter but if your doing more fair weather they do lower R value ones and lighter weighted models. Expensive but completely worth the price. (Comfortable too) I'd recommend an R value between 2-4 for 2-3 season camping in the UK.

You obviously have not tried a NeoAir

I won’t say most but I would say a good majority use the thermo rest neo air. It varies in size but it’s a quality pad and I use it personally

Same. Bought NeoAir in 2016. Full AT thru, full PCT thru, a dozen other short trips. Still going strong!

No insulating value so not appropriate for cold weather; otherwise, if you like it great! I like closed cell foam for bottom dollar functionality but lots of folks can't/won't sleep on it, which is where you get the expensive inflatable pads you're talking about that are light and warm and compact (but cost a lot). In that category I like the thermarest neoair series.

I slept on a neoair it was uncomfortable and noisy I switched to a Nemo tensor not even in the same realm of comfort. I also have a sea to summit ether light xt and it's heavy but best pad comfort I have slept on.

Most of the negative reviews I’ve seen for the Rapide have been for the model that came out for 2024. I bought a used model for that reason, and so far so good, I’m sleeping much better than I did on my Thermarest Neoair. Taking it out next week for the first time with lows in the 30° range, fingers crossed. Also a side sleeper here.

Same here. When I did my life's biggest hike thus far, I was in my early 20's, very close to being underweight, and had zero injuries. Sleeping on a Z-Lite was a no-brainer, and I was comfortable on it. Now, I'm tickling the upper limit of the normal weight range, I have to arrange my legs in a certain way to avoid knee pain, have one shoulder prone for a nerve getting pinched, and one elbow that won't go straight. My Thermarest NeoAir enables me to get a decent night of sleep out there.

I was happy with a foam pad in my 20's, when I was almost underweight and had zero sports injuries. Nowadays, hovering at the top end of the normal weight BMI range, and with a couple of joints that need to be placed in a very delicate way to achieve a comfy position, I've got a Thermarest Neoair, a version warm enough for winter use but also perfectly comfortable during summer. I've pathced it once, and the patch has been sitting there for at least four years without a problem. I'm a side sleeper. I think if I could sleep on my back, I might still be using foam.

Another vote for the Thermarest NeoAir

I read quite a few reviews if the nemo Tensor that it fails/leaks, and that it's potato-chip bag loud! The pad noise is something I really hate, so I would have to touch this in store to check personally. I bought the NeoAir years ago based on the hype, but found that it's so ridiculously loud I can't use it!

It is not worth it as long as you can sleep and truly rest on a closed cell foam pad. that is definitely a more reliable pad, but that is not something many of us could never do. just because of how uncomfortable it is and for the condition it might leave our body in after laying that way without support so long. I will say this, though my thermos Neo air has never had a reliability issue and I’ve probably used it 60 - 70 nights so far.

Take them both 100%. The thinlight stops the neoair from moving/ sliding around, or sharp sticks puncturing it. Thinlight is great back up if neo air pops. It’s so light, it does double duty for stretching, fast breaks, extra backing in frameless pack. Take it!( I’ve many with it on the PCT)

For me it really depends what I'm doing and where I'll be sleeping. If I'm sleeping on relatively flat, manicured ground or snow I bring my inflatable Neoair, it's smaller, lighter and warmer. If however I might end up on rocky ground or am climbing something where a bivy isn't intended, but is a possibility I bring my z-lite as I can use it anywhere. So ultimately I'd recommend buying both if you intend to be sleeping on both rocky ground and snow.

It’s like a gamble. For me I’ve been using a NeoAir for a 2000 mile thru hike plus another 500 miles since than with no . Maybe mine was made on a Wednesday. Never buy a pad made on a Monday or Friday.

The Thermarest NeoAir is indeed lighter. At just 12 ounces the semi-mummy arguably the best quality sleeping pad in this range and weight. But it's also not cheap. The NeoAir Xtherm is the cold weather version, R 7.4, and 16 oz. The Nemo Tensor Extreme is rectangle, R 8.1, and 18 oz. Both the Thermarest and Nemos are quieter than they were in the past. Also, the more you use them, the more quiet they get. Agree the Thermarest pump sack is the worst of the bunch, no question, but I've gotten mine to work enough. The Rapide is usually warm enough for most people 3 seasons, and the reason to buy it is indeed it's thickness, and the sides being raised. Agree the Exped 5R is good for most people. It's a simple, comfortable, rectangle. R 4.8, and 1lb 4 oz. That's certainly heavier than the Thermarest but $50 cheaper.

I'm a side sleeper with hip pain at times and I prefer a CCF Nemo Switchback for sleep. I am planning on selling my barely used NeoAir Thermarest inflatable bc it always makes back and hip issues worse. Then again I'm someone who prefers to sleep on the floor over a bed bc it feels way better on my back. Good luck in your search!

I weigh around 170 and have had my current pad (a Therm-a-rest NeoAir) for over 10 years and it's still going strong. I use it roughly 30 nights per year. I roll it up, no stuff sack, and carry it in my pack. I sleep in a tent so my pad doesn't have direct ground contact when I'm sleeping, but I frequently take it out of the tent and put it on the ground so I can relax outside.

I have a neo air - cost a bomb when I got it about ten years ago. Definitely worth it - warm and comfy! Before that I "borrowed" my auntie's thermarest back in 2003 - that was a few years old then. I think I only made one repair.

I have a light weight thermarest neoair. Super small packed up. But thinking is there a just slightly wider version. I've used i a lot for a long time doing races but.... maybe more comfort is due. My arms fall off when on my back.

I've had a neo air and it's light but noisy when turning. Just got a big Agnes (can't remember the model but the widest single insulated) and it's comfy and quieter when turning. Certainly heavier than the neoair though

My Thermarest neoair doesn’t state in the instructions that you can’t inflate by mouth and I always have with no negative effects. There is a video online that provides empirical evidence debunking the belief that mouth inflation adversely affects sleeping pads

I used self inflating Thermarest pads for years, granted they were older models, but the NeoAir is much more comfortable for me as a side sleeper. Have you tried inflating it less? Sounds like you may have too much air in it

If you’re camped on a slope, layering the neo-air over the foam pad keeps it from slipping downhill. Plus it makes a great ass pad during the day.

Both times I’ve hiked the PCT my thermarests have popped in the desert . The first time it was an older thermarest that had already seen a bit of action . The second time it was early on in my hike and it was the one I’d replaced the previous one with! After that I went CCF pad and was absolutely fine with it. In many ways, I prefer it.

For a rainy bikepacking trip, definitely go for a lightweight, waterproof tent like MSR or Big Agnes. A synthetic sleeping bag and an inflatable sleeping pad like Therm-a-Rest will keep you dry and comfortable. You’ll be good to go with that setup!

The suggestion of a rental is a good idea if you currently aren’t interested in making this a hobby! If you are looking to buy, however, the foam Therm-o-Rest pads are the classic camping pad that everyone owns one of. They z-fold up into a rectangular stack and are relatively light and cheap. I’m 40 and need a little extra cushion on the trail these days, so I use an air mattress. Therm-o-rest has some decent priced air mattresses, but they are a little spartan compared to some of the more expensive air mattresses.

For me the thermarest warranty has been worth its weight in gold, it’s an inflatable product that’s exposed to the elements, they’ll all get damaged eventually but every interaction I’ve had with them has been amazing, no questions asked replacement or repair

Yeah my first was thermarest. Didn’t like. I do enjoy my Nemo tensor and I just ordered a switchback closed foam from Nemo now! Are you a side sleeper??