NeoAir UberLite

I would get an uberlite and take the old ccf for redundancy and guaranteed comfort. Are you still serving?

How is the uberlite?

There was a recent discussion about this type of pad and it’s R values here: https://www.reddit.com/r/CampingGear/s/AcsRlx09DN I use those olive green military surplus Thermarest ultralite pads for car camping with achesp closed cell foam pad underneath for my kids. I usually use something beefier for me. The pads can be found online and budget prices (~$15 new old stock), but shipping $$ will get you. It’s a good budget combo For backpacking, I prefer the lighter weight closed cell foam pads in conjunction with a newer version of inflatable pad like the Xtherm or in summer the Neo air Uber light.

For a while, being broad-shouldered, I thought I needed a wide pad but eventually learned how to sleep with a 20” wide pad. But before that, I cut the bottom 21” off my regular wide Thermarest and found that easy to adapt to. It reduced the weight of a 16 oz mattress to only 12 oz, as well as reducing bulk. Cutting a thermarest mattress is surprisingly easy. The key is to cut such that your knees are supported by the pad. The feet can rest on your backpack, spare clothes, and/or sit pad. More comfortable than you would think.

Sometimes reports of bad durability are reports of people’s *fears* about bad durability, which are largely based on others expressed fears. I’ve been using the same Uberlite (156g) for the last two years without incident. I don’t expect it to have the durability of an Xlite, but I’ve been pleasantly surprised so far.

Plenty of brands use 20D, the few times they've ventured lower has massively impacted durability; see the thermarest uberlite and the current Nemo tensor elite, which Nemo even admitted developed pin holes during testing. You will be fine with 20D with or without CCF underneath. I use an X-lite which is 30D I believe but previous mats I've used were 20D all fine and I'm don't exactly baby my gear lol.

The Uberlite was designed to be as light as possible and they pushed the coating thickness to the limit. That's why they don't make it anymore. It was too hard and too expensive to get reliable seams with that thin of coating. Probably 1/3 of the pads made were scrapped.

Two cents. I’ve had multiple Nemo tensors and they all leaked and tore beyond repair. Same with Uber lite which is quite low R value. Now I use Neoair Xlite NXT. It seems to strike balance between durability, r value, and weight savings. https://www.rei.com/product/241034/therm-a-rest-neoair-xlite-nxt-sleeping-pad

I get that. I use a Thermarest Uberlite when i hike solo. I'm 6'2, and my dog is 150 lb Great Dane. I haven't used it quite yet with my dog, but I used a Drop Xmid 1p on the Colorado Trail without the inner a couple times and I feel like it will be plenty large enough for the two of us.