Therm-a-Rest - NeoAir XLite NXT Sleeping Pad

I used Thermarest Neoair Xlite NXT in February and was warm enough (R4.5 - 2deg C in Sussex). So you probably don't need to worry about R factor.

+1 for lengthwise baffles and therefore Exped. I tried the Neo Air, I toss and turn a lot...I could only ever sleep comfortably on lengthwise baffles

Thermarest xlite nxt another vote. I’m usually around 18st/ 115kg depending on what’s going on.

Fellow 5’6 cold sleeping woman here chiming in! I have a Feathered Friends UL 20-degree bag and it’s the best bag I’ve ever owned. Still pretty light (I’m 47 and my knees feel every ounce after a few miles!) but is a legit comfort at 30 degrees with only a light base layer for PJs (and maybe lower but I haven’t been out sub-30 yet). I paired with a thermarest xlite nxt.

I have the neo NeoAir XTherm max. It's by far the best pad I've used in the past 20 years as a side-sleeper. Both the mummy and max are the same thickness, it just depends if you want the extra space to spread out. I also have a NeoAir XLite NXT RW, which could be suitable for colder temperatures if you layer it with a foam pad.

Yeah, the Neoair Xlite NXT is just fine for side sleepers. The key is to deflate to the point where your hip is basically just touching the ground when you're on your side. Dozens of nights on my Xlite now and zero problems sleeping.

I think #3 has been debunked, but I still love my inflate-sack (even though it's obv not UL). I don't know if your model has this problem, but my old one was very noisy/crinkly every time I moved on it, and the new ones have that issue much less. 200g is not easy to shave off. I'd go for it for that reason alone. The high or low R value is a tradeoff: I have the low R value XLite one and just carry an extra eggshell in the winter - but having one-for-all-seasons isn't a bad choice either.

Thermarest neoair xlite nxt user here and i think it's great. Coming from a non-insulated pad it makes a noticeable difference to warmth. 370g, r4.5, small pack size and comfy 👍

I have the same sleeping pad as you. Have you tried adjusting the air using the valve? Lie down on it and, at head level, gently turn the flutter valve until the pad gently hugs your body.

I have a regular xlite, I got cold and uncomfotable so I bought the largest xtherm. I never use the xlite anymore. Money well spent.

I have both pads, notice no difference in comfort, and sleep equally well on either one. Guess I’m just an easy sleeper - certainly after a long hike!

The (discontinued) Thermarest X-Lite torso length (125cm) is only slightly heavier at 250gr, but is more durable (30D) and warmer (R3.2).

My valve failed on the first trip I used it on. It's an easy fix to replace the valve, but still... Mind you, my Exped mat has never been the same since I camped in a prickle patch.

Thermarest Neoair Xlite Nxt weighs 13oz (370g) with a decent R-value of 4.5. Won't be as durable as heavier options, however. An Outdoor Research Helium Bivy (17oz, 480g) is less of a coffin than most bivvies due to the single pole it uses. You will have more condensation in some conditions, but it will be lighter than any tent. Total volume of these two together will be <1/4 the volume of your current setup.

I have both and the NXTs are considerably quieter, though I don’t think the old version is as bad as people made it out to be.

I've only had excellent experiences with their customer support. Shipped me a replacement valve in South Africa, and then a whole new pad in Idaho. A friend has had them replace the same purchase three times.

Take aquasure glue and tenacious tape for repairs. I've used mine almost every night since July. That solves most issues.

It's kinda weird. I had a women's xlite that was decently quiet, my wife had the same model. Then it got a baffle that broke and they sent a new one that was extremely loud. It sounded like sleeping on a bag of chips. Far louder than the one my wife has. Then that one got a whole and they replaced it with an xlite NXT and it's far quieter. Even less than hers that was already pretty good. So they've gotten better by a lot. But at some point they had a terrible batch in between good and great.

Helinox ultra lite cot paired with a Neoair lite NXT mat, thankfully if I get an issue I can fall back on one of them...both together and I get a perfect nights sleep, just one of them and it an okay night's sleep...I've experimented!

I would get the thermarest. I have one and I've never been cold on it and slept under 30° multiple times. The big Agnes pad I had as well. I found that the side baffles elevated my arms a little that it made it uncomfortable.

Will do. But all this stuff is pretty idiosyncratic and my experience may not be super helpful for you. I sleep pretty fine on my xlite (4.5 r-value) into the 20s. So I wanted something to take me to more extreme temps.

Xlite doesn’t have durability issues. The now-discontinued “uberlight” had durability issues. The xlite is the industry standard for durability/warmth/weight.

Fwiw my family just got back from 3 nights camping in the Smokies with my wife and I sharing a tent. My Neoair NXT is significantly quieter than her older neoair xlite. That fact alone wouldn’t be the deciding factor for me, though. Hers is like 0.3oz lighter but mine apparently has a higher R-value and the valve inflates/deflates significantly faster.

Had one and was excited in the beginning. It is so light to carry around and was very comfy too. Unfortunately after the third night in the wilderness I had a failure. The chambers started to open up. I couldn't do anything so I had to abort my trip. It might have been bad luck or wrong handling. I also got the impression that if you blow it up very firmly and then lie on it, the pressure of your body or also the air that you warm up during the night, increase the inside pressure of the sleeping pad. Do not know what was wrong with the Xlite NXT. Had an Exped pad for about 10 years before the Thermarest and no failure... but who knows... maybe my luck just turned ;-)

+1 for draft/air. An option I haven't seen mentioned yet that reduces convection (i think the correct word...) heat loss from air movement is a [tyvek bag wrapper](https://www.aliexpress.us/item/2251832777524224.html). I current use this one from aliexpress. It adds a ton of warmth in my experience. WAY more than a bag liner. And pretty light. Fairly bulky though. I also have to sleep with my down puffy + expedition weight long undies (both montbell, highly recommend) even in summer, even when the night low is 15f higher than my quilt 'comfy' rating lol another montbell shoutout: down pants. SO WARM. And have to switch to a full on heavy ass winter mummy bag when it is freezing or below. starting tonight sadly... Personally I dont find I get cold from my pad. Even in snow camping. I just use a standard xlite nxt. in summer use the uberlite

I've been using both the Helix and the Xlite NXT--the former is much heavier, but so much more comfortable in my opinion. I just returned the Xlite. If you value comfort over the weight, Helix is the way to go.

I'm 5'6" and sleep cold! Here's my set-up: - Thermarest Neoair Nxt (4.5 r value) - Rei Magma 15 in the regular size (not a lot of extra space) - Sea to Summit sleeping bag liner (reactor extreme) - Thrifted cashmere sleep shirt - Dedicated sleep pants - Dedicated sleep socks - Beanie and buff to cover my face - Occasionally I'll throw on my puffy and fleece if I get cold or add them to my sleeping bag for added warmth - 1-2 hot hands added to my bag as needed. My whole set-up probably weighs 6ish lbs, but I always bring it. I can comfortably drop down to the low 20s with this and I can easily turn layers into a pillow/treat my sleeping bag as a quilt if it's warmer outside. I'd rather be warm and carry more weight than drop weight and suffer. I highly, highly recommend a liner and dry clothes.

I've been trying different sleeping pads the last few years and still haven't found one that works. I've tried the Nemo tensor, thermarest neoair xlite nxt, and REI helix. I always end up switching between side sleeping and back sleeping multiple times during the night. I've noticed the nxt (my current pad) has been giving me lower back sores. I can reduce it a little by deflating the bag. But I've deflated it to the point my shoulder touches the ground during side sleep. Anybody else have this issue with another pad recommendation? I would like to keep it around 20 oz or less for a wide version. Thanks!

Nemo, S2S, Thermarest are all good choices. I have the neoair xlite nxt. However it's not the cheapest so depending on your budget I wouldn't necessarily recommend. You can get good deals on r/geartrade, check the used section of your rei as well if you have one nearby.

I just tested my system in 7f (-13 C) weather the other night, I layered a Thermarest Xlite NXT with a Nemo Switchback. Put the Ccf pad on top as that's what I've seen recommended due to potential heat loss through the sides of the Inflatable mat. I had a 10f and 20f quilt doubled up and I slept incredibly warm, bordering on sweating and had to take off layers multiple times throughout the night. Woke up still toasty. So that's an R Value of estimated 6-6.5 combined and I was also using quilts so nothing other then the pads under me. Theoretically this system could go down to -10f (-23 C) but haven't tried that yet. Based how warm I slept in just base layers I could certainly imagine that being true.

I don't have experience with the Xtherm but understand it's considered a solid winter solution. Owning a high R value pad is nice because it won't be "too hot" in the summer, so it covers all the seasons. I just added the Ccf pad because I already had bought the Xlite before I knew I wanted to do some winter camping. I also see people arguing that having a foam pad makes as a failsafe backup. The inflatable pad can fail but the foam one is failproof, it cannot pop. The Xtherm could get a hole and then you'd be in worse situation. Plus you can use it as a sitting pad, and also put it behind your back under your pack for more comfort. So it's a bit more multipurpose. Having it under your air pad can give it extra protection from punctures too, but seems that having it above the air pad will insulate better.

Thermarest Xlite is compact but still fairly durable as long as you are careful with it. Also these pads can generally be patched fairly easily. Nothing is going to beat a foam pad in the durability department tho.

I wonder if you didn’t overinflated the Xlite, I find it pretty comfortable… unless it’s overinflated

I have had good experiences with customer support and have had no issues with this pad so far-----not the most comfortable but light and rolls up very small

Which Xlite do you have? I replaced the previous Xlite that had the older cylinder-type valve with the newer, thicker current NXT that has the Winglock valve. I find it much more comfortable (it's thicker) and easier to use. Some people really like pads like the BA Rapide SL and the Expeds because the vertical orientation of baffles allow them to make the pad thicker at the edges to hold you on the pad. I'm just not a fan of the type of valves used on those pads.

Therm-a-Rest doesn’t make many truly comfortable sleeping pads, and the NeoAir XLite NXT is no exception. Most people buy it for its extremely low weight and impressive warmth-to-weight ratio—not for comfort. While it receives generally positive reviews, that praise is usually based on specs rather than real-world sleep quality. If you plan to use it, be prepared to get used to sleeping uncomfortably. If you're after a sleeping pad that's actually comfortable but still relatively lightweight (unlike heavier options like the NeoLoft), consider the Sea to Summit Ether Light XR—the updated version of the XT. It’s arguably one of the most comfortable lightweight pads available and packs down smaller than its predecessor. For summer use, the Big Agnes Zoom UL is worth considering. If the Ether Light XR scores a 10 for comfort, the Zoom UL might rank around a 7. It’s significantly lighter, but its real-world R-value is closer to 2–3, making it less suitable for cooler nights. A step up in comfort and warmth would be the Big Agnes Rapide SL, which rates about an 8/10 for comfort and provides better insulation—though it still falls short of its advertised specs. Another solid option is the Nemo Tensor (All-Season or Trail versions). These pads offer a realistic R-value, are slightly lighter than the Ether Light XR, and nearly as comfortable—comfort rating around 8/10. They're a great middle ground for those who prioritize both comfort and weight.

NeoAir XLite before the NXT update? God no, it wasn't just uncomfortable, it was also as noisy as a bag of chips. How and why do you like this one? There are so many more comfortable pads :D

Do you have a regular width or wide? I found a big difference in comfort between wide and regular. The regular felt like a balloon I couldn't balance on while the wide is quite comfy. I agree with other commenters that the Exped Ultra is even more comfortable, but I personally find the Xlite a better balance of weight, comfort, and warmth.

Yes I’ve stuck with the Xlite NXT

I think the Thermarest XLite NXT is a fantastic pad, very light, comfy and warm, new model is much much less crinkly too. Been using Thermarest for years and they’ve been excellent.

I have been using Thermarest pads for a long time now and their latest XLite NXT is an absolute gem. So warm, so light and so comfy. I’ve had about 30 nights on it so far and had hundreds of nights of my old Xlite. They’ve been perfectly durable for me.

I think R of 3-4 is right for 3 season. Because it can get frosty in the autumn and the spring. Most of the time 2.5-3 will be plenty, but not all the time. I have been using Thermarest for years. I used to have an XTherm, an Xlite and an Uberlite. I upgraded my Xlite to the new NXT version and that has proven so good I sold my XTherm. I can use the Xlite nxt down to -5C and I’m plenty warm, if I was going any colder than that, I would take an additional CCF mat, not just for the extra warmth but also just in case I have a problem with my pad as a back up. On a budget I would recommend getting a 2nd hand Xlite of the previous generation. It’s a great pad and it’s very light for the warmth you get. They are a little crinkly but that never bothered me. I think the best pad for the job is the new Xlite NXT. It’s the same weight as the last one, but it’s quieter, even thicker and even warmer. But it isn’t cheap.

I think R of 3-4 is right for 3 season. Because it can get frosty in the autumn and the spring. Most of the time 2.5-3 will be plenty, but not all the time. I have been using Thermarest for years. I used to have an XTherm, an Xlite and an Uberlite. I upgraded my Xlite to the new NXT version and that has proven so good I sold my XTherm. I can use the Xlite nxt down to -5C and I’m plenty warm, if I was going any colder than that, I would take an additional CCF mat, not just for the extra warmth but also just in case I have a problem with my pad as a back up. On a budget I would recommend getting a 2nd hand Xlite of the previous generation. It’s a great pad and it’s very light for the warmth you get. They are a little crinkly but that never bothered me. I think the best pad for the job is the new Xlite NXT. It’s the same weight as the last one, but it’s quieter, even thicker and even warmer. But it isn’t cheap.

I bought mine from Amazon for peace of mind in case there was a problem. First one I bought leaked straight out of the box. Sent it back and got a replacement with no hassle. Have been using the replacement now for a couple of years with no issues.

Hey! I found that not blowing my pad all the way makes it more comfortable for me! Maybe you could give it a try? + I got the RW version which really changes the game in width

Do you sleep on your stomach? As a stomach sleeper I find the baffle construction of the Therm A Rest Neo Air Xlite very uncomfortable. I have to use it at a very low pressure for it to be somewhat bearable. It also feels too much like an air mattress and it’s noisy (which is especially bad as a stomach sleeper because your ear will be right on top of the mat).

This. I have to use it at very low pressure for it to be somewhat comfortable. Low enough pressure that at first it looks like it has a leak and is only half inflated.

I gotta say having owned the rapide, REI Helix, and now the Xlite... I really think people claiming the baffles are significantly more comfortable are really exaggerating. I use the Xlite now and notice 0 discernable difference in sleeping between that and the others with a very noticeable reduction in weight. The new Xlites are now in line with all the others in terms of noise as well.

Any inflatable can fail during a trip that long, but I haven't had any issue with mine. Also be warned that some people don't like the comfort of the Neoair, but I think it's fine.

About the same height and weight I think Used to use a Big Agnes Rapide SL, mega comfy Switched to a Thermarest xlite nxt as it's lighter, it's about 90% as comfy but a fair bit lighter to carry Side sleeper also, if you're not worried about the weight the Big Agnes is the one to go for imo

6'0", 235lbs, side sleeper. Use a Therm-a-rest NeoAir XLite NXT. Works great for me by filling it up firm, then laying on it and slowly releasing air to reach comfort level. Two downsides. First, was my fault. Got the Regular. Should have gone with the Reg-Wide. Pad is a little noiser than my older BA Q-Core.

6'0", 235lbs, side sleeper. Use a Therm-a-rest NeoAir XLite NXT. Works great for me by filling it up firm, then laying on it and slowly releasing air to reach comfort level. Two downsides. First, was my fault. Got the Regular. Should have gone with the Reg-Wide. Pad is a little noiser than my older BA Q-Core.

Ya prob should have just bought an x-therm for flexiblity though I'll say I've been warm enough with my xlite nxt down to the 20s.

Everyone prioritizes things differently. Some people want the perfect piece of gear for every situation. Some people prioritize money, weight, comfort etc. For me, I didn’t want to buy multiple pads for multiple situations. So I bought the thermarest xlite with R value of 4.5 and a Nemo foldable switchback. Now I am covered all season comfortably with will not need to buy anything else. Have you slept on a foldable pad before? As a side sleeper I could not get comfortable. Where I backpack, it can get cold at night even in the summer and I didn’t want to be caught unprepared, so I always use my inflatable pad. You will eventually get a puncture in your inflatable sleeping pad, which is why you bring a small repair kit.

I’ve only slept on the neoair and the exped from that list. I find the exped a little more comfortable to sleep on, but still always take the neoair because of the lighter weight, which is more comfortable in my pack. I am more of a rotisserie sleeper, but 1/3 of the time I’m on my back. I always opt for the 25” width because, well, I was born with arms and elbows! I cut my neoair down to 50” and use my backpack and sit pad under my feet. I don’t experience any discomfort from that setup and save 3-4 ounces thereby. I’m not sure I could cut my exped because of the baffle orientation. I keep it only to loan to friends.

My thermarest xlite is a pound, 25” wide, and I can take it down to like 25-30F very comfortably. Finding that for anywhere near $100 new would be incredible

Find anything remotely comparable to an xlite on alibaba and it’ll be a hit.

I sleep fantastically on a Therm-a-Rest neo air xlite, but plenty of people prefer vertical baffles like exped pads have.

I have no complaints about the XLite. I do recommend getting a wide pad if you're even a semi-wide person, because your arms falling off the pad all night sucks. Check REI's used gear section for pretty awesome deals. That's where a lot of my pads have come from over the years. I got a wide XLite NXT that seemed brand new for $160 a few weeks ago.

I really liked my xlite nxt. I’m tall so got the long version. At first I was upset that I had to get the wider version which weighed more, but it was very comfortable to sleep on and I’d generally recommend a 25” wide pad. I’ve used it down to about 25 degrees and it was fine. I’m also a side sleeper and enjoy it, but I’ve heard different from others. It might be that I’ve only had experiences with that and a cheap pad from cabelas that had massive gaps that let the gold ground through, so take that for what it’s worth.

I’ve heard lots of complaints about its comfort, but I’ve loved my neoair xlite nxt. I got the large size, so I can comfortably fit on it. The width wise baffles aren’t that bad for me. It’s not that loud at all since it’s the newer version, and it’s stupid light for a 4.5 r-value. I’ve taken it to about ~25ish (F) and been fine.

Personally not comfy on NeoAir style pads. Had various models from Thermarest, Nemo, Exped. The low-tech Gossamer Air Beam almost passed the test. So went back to self-inflating. For summer I use a torso sized Prolite Plus with lower legs on pack; for winter a full length of the same on ½" CCF. I find the 3.2 Prolite subjectively warmer than a 4.5 Xlite. YMMV

For another option... I had a sea to summit etherlite xt for 5 years and loved it. Eventually died. Tried saving weight and got a neoair xlite nxt. Hated it and it broke within a month. Crinkly and uncomfortable. Went back to the sea to summit and it's good.

My partner and I have the Therm-a-Rest NeoAir Xlife NXT pads and have really liked them. That said, we started taking our baby on backpacking trips and got the Sea to Summit UL self inflating pad ([link](https://seatosummit.com/products/ultralight-self-inflating-sleeping-pad?variant=7896103780380&g_acctid=341-924-5076&g_adgroupid=&g_adid=&g_adtype=none&g_campaign=2+-+QRY+-+Consideration+-+Performance+Max+-+Sleeping+Bags%2FPads%2FLiners+-+BOF&g_campaignid=21175617820&g_keyword=&g_keywordid=&g_network=x&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=2-QRY-Consideration-PerformanceMax-AllProducts-BOFOnly&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwiOy1BhDCARIsADGvQnAWkYeBCj1AYWlQ7oqjIEveOGtsxQhr8JGM7zaaaH_GRsDsP01EMzYaAvojEALw_wcB)) and loved it so much we picked up a couple of those for ourselves as well.

what others said already - I would look into Nemo Xtreme or Therm-a-rest Neo-Air/NXT, and look only at 25" (wide) options for comfort and better sleep at only a nominal weight increase. Uberlite (now discontinued) is the only lighter option really and otherwise Nemo and Thermarest are pretty comparable in their lineups, it comes down to shape of the pad (I prefer square, some like mummy) and shape of baffles. CCF is just not thick enough for warmth/comfort, and self-inflatable are heavier and not as warm. I am also surprised nobody really makes a R value =3-4 but much lighter than 1lb wide pad, I think it must meant that the thermal reflective foil inside doesn't weigh much and most of the weight is related to durability of the outer shell, once the company can figure out the reflective foil matrix, they can sell that product at a better margin for similar weight/durability as the same model without the thermal foil inside. Hence the death of Uberlight (?) Here's a recently updated article from Backpacking Light: [https://backpackinglight.com/inflatable-sleeping-pads-backpacking-ultralight-lightweight/](https://backpackinglight.com/inflatable-sleeping-pads-backpacking-ultralight-lightweight/)

Have not had to use the warranty knock on wood, but have been really happy with my tensor as well. I too side sleep part of the night, and it's great not waking up with a sore shoulder from being direct on the ground in the past with my therma rest lite.

Interesting. My lightweight thermarest has been solid for 15+ years. I think you just have bad luck!

I think any of the inflation pads will be pretty similar (as opposed to self inflating that are typically thinner). So Thermarest NeoAir NXT, Nemo Tensor, plus those already listed. Circa 3 inches thick to allow the hip to stay off the ground, and a square shape rather than mummy.

Personally (I’m in my 40s and a side sleeper) an Xtherm or Xlite is one of my favorite purchases. But everyone has different needs. I’m a fan of not buying new things until you actually need them. Or you are sure that your goals will outgrow your gear. A cheap inflatable is definitely not worth it.

I bought an old version Thermarest Xlite and it felt like I was sleeping on a bag of chips... for the first two trips... now it doesn't make much noise at all when I move around. I think pad noise in general is overblown.

More comfortable, and much much quieter, but not anywhere near as warm.

I’ve tried both. Took the Rapide back to REI. I did not find it all that comfortable and not very warm. I tried and kept the Exped Ultra 5R mummy style. Comfy and warm. I also have a Neoair Xlite. The Exped is more comfortable, but the Xlite is a bit warmer. That said the Exped is my go to.

Switching to Wide, was a huge step up for me. So much better with my elbows resting on the pad and having enough room to turn at night. Something to consider is that the Nemo has 20D bottom fabric vs Xlite - 30D vs Xtherm - 70D. I have had all kinds of leaks with Nemo pads. Few punctures with Xlite pads and no punctures/leaks with my Xtherm.

https://www.outdoorgearlab.com/topics/camping-and-hiking/best-sleeping-pad https://www.outdoorgearlab.com/topics/camping-and-hiking/best-camping-mattress Outdoor Gearlab is a great resource for things like this, they break it all down. Personally I used the NeoAir Xlite, and while I was a bit jealous of my peer’s comfort with their huge air mattresses, the ease of setting up and packing up without the need for an outlet or a pump, and it packing down to about the size of a pineapple, and weighing under a pound, made it worth it to me. And I slept fine. There’s other options on there that lean toward comfort over weight and size though.

Tried pretty much everything, settled on the xlite, for me personally offers the best combination of attributes. For any pad I would only consider a long and wide now.

Keep in mind, too, that a CCF pad can be a huge hassle to attach to your pack. Some people care more than others about stuff flopping around, dealing with attaching it every morning, etc, but you might want to figure out which type you are. I keep saying I'm going to try my CCF for summer backpacking, but always give up and throw my XLite into my pack. Even after I spent two nights with it deflated due to punctures (yes, more than one :( on one trip, I patched it when I got home and still used it for my next trip. It's just too easy. But it's still good to have a CCF to use on really cold nights in a campground, as a second pad underneath an inflatable. Or of course if you do winter backpacking or the like.

Also, it's not super UL (but shoulder season/winter hiking often isn't), but on cold trips I layer a z-fold under my normal pad (NeoAir X-Lite). Especially if OP has a pad already and just wants something for sub-freezing temps, definitely a durable and cheap option to consider.

Rapide for comfort, Tensor All-Season for overall value and light comfort, xlite for UL and durability. IMO

I own an xlite large and an uberlite

You have to think about temperature gradients when discussing insulation. If in summer the ground temp is near body temp, then even if you have an R=100 pad it won’t make any difference since you would not be loosing heat to the ground, even with no pad. So an xtherm in warm conditions performs pretty much the same as a xlite.

I use a Nemo Tensor insulated regular wide (from around 2021? When it was R4.2). Very stable and quiet, much better than the NeoAir Xlite I once tried and quickly returned. I also sleep in every position. If I didn’t already own two of these I would buy the current Nemo Tensor All-Season Insulated which is R5.4 for the same weight.

Hmmm, i’m a side sleeper as well, and i’ve used the XLite for years without any pain. As long as it isn’t leaking I don’t see how a different pad would help with your problem.

That's so funny, I had the opposite experience. Used an XLite for a good long while and just accepted that my arms and shoulders always felt sore in the morning and/or went numb overnight. Switched to a Ether Light XT Insulated (regular mummy, not wide), took a tiny weight penalty, slept like a baby ever since. Sleeping pads are as personal as underwear. I will seriously never understand why one person thinks their preferred pad will work for someone else. You just gotta try a few till you find the one that works for your (unique, individual) body.

XLite isn't comfortable for a lot of people

yeah sometimes you end up in a bind where the pad that is the most comfortable for you is one that is prone to having some manufacturing defect that reveals itself slowly. i wish i was more comfortable on thermarest neoair but i just can't sleep good on horizontal baffles. i know they're more reliable over the long term. but what are you gonna do. what kills me is people on this sub who act like because pads develop weld defects that means you're WaStEfUl or bad at caring for your gear. it's asinine

Not only will they have the blown up ones, check around REI's returned goods. I found two NeoAir XLite pads for less than $90 each, "used". Honestly looked brand new and held air. Which ever par you decide on, check the returns before you buy new.

I tried Klymit and had the same problem. Get a Thermarest Neoair Xtherm or Xlite. I’ve used an Xlite for 4 years with no leaks.

Spending $200 on one of the lightest pads on the market just to add weight in the form of a thinlight and seam grip is honestly a meme. You may as well just carry an XLite at that point, which is both warmer and more durable. This is why super light inflatables do not make sense to me. They require extra gear to protect them, while not even being that much warmer than just carrying an indestructible foam pad 

I thought I needed a thick wide pad as a side sleeper. I got an S2S Etherlight. About half way thru a thru in ‘21 I had to try an XLite, because supply chain. Dropped about 9ozs and kicked myself the rest of the way down the trail for being so gullible. The XLite was much more comfortable for me sleeping and I could really feel those 9ozs off my back. Get that and bring a few ozs of Blue Chew and your gal will carry the rest of the gear! Ha!

Katabatics run narrow. I was freezing in mine when I shouldn't have been - I returned it for a wide width. Also, since you're a cold sleeper like me, I think you should try the Xtherm. I've used the xlite and can tell you the Xtherm is noticeably warmer.

I also highly recommend the xlite, have had mine for 3 years with no issues. It is compact, warm, and seemingly durable enough that I don’t need to baby it. Just finished a 4 week roadtrip from Alaska to NC and car camped 90% of it using the xlite in the back of the car, worked great.

Just today I found myself wishing the Xlite came in a Short Wide. (Seriously, why only offer wide for tall people?!)  I'm only 5'6", so I don't need or want a 72" long pad, but my shoulders are 19" wide and I sleep like a dang corkscrew over the course of a night. A 20" wide pad just does not cut it for me. Current pad is 25", and while I don't think I'd want as narrow as 22", 24" would probably still be enough for comfort.

Yea def get a pad Those xlite pads are noisy to sleep on just as an fyi. Didn’t bother me but some people complain about it. Idk if they changed the material but I have an old one and it’s crunchy is the best way I can describe it

No insulating value so not appropriate for cold weather; otherwise, if you like it great! I like closed cell foam for bottom dollar functionality but lots of folks can't/won't sleep on it, which is where you get the expensive inflatable pads you're talking about that are light and warm and compact (but cost a lot). In that category I like the thermarest neoair series.

My neoair xlites are going strong after 5years plus; my old thermorest prolite 3 shorty (older and heavier) is out of the regular rotation but is 20+yrs old and still works great no patches. Closed cell foam doesn't pop!

This seems perfect for me. I switched from a Tensor to an XLite for the weight savings, but just cannot get comfortably with the baffle design. I'm concerned about its durability, but otherwise this seems like the pad for me.

Supposedly the new gen of XLites (the NXTs) is much quieter. I've seen video of the old ones, and they sound like a plastic bag. I have an Uberlite and XLite, and I would not describe either as loud. Maybe go to a shop and try some there?

I've been comfortable on 1/4" foam for 500 miles on the CDT through New Mexico (mostly under pine trees) but not on 1/8" foam which I used on my first PCT hike as a backup for my XLITE which leaked out the valve all through Washington, leaving me on the ground multiple times per night, waking me up every hour or so. Personally I like 6 panels of 3/4" zlite (~5 oz) for a bit of a safety margin. One way for you to test both would be to bring a full-length 1/8" pad that you can fold in half into a torso-length 1/4" on a training hike and see what you like. Site selection is obviously important, and for a 1/8" you may want to find/dig a dip for your hip. What is your level of experience and where are you planning to hike?

I use an Xlite and am a side sleeper. I found that switching pillows helped any shoulder/neck discomfort. I now use a pillowcase (Thermarest Trekker) that I stuff with my clothes/sacks/jackets etc and it has helped immensely. I can actually sleep comfortably on my nemo switchback now. Another trick I've learned is to not inflate the pad completely. I will blow it up all the way then let a little bit of air out at a time until it's slightly more squishy than normal.

They're all good pads. I find them all comfortable in their own ways. Exped has the nicest fabric, but it's also the thickest which I don't really like. The Nemo tensor is the overall most comfortable, no nonsense, best of all worlds. The Xlite is my favorite however. I like the horizontal baffles. The new NXT version isn't as loud as its predecessors. The mummy shape is tapered in the perfect places unlike Expeds mummy pads, I prefer it over rectangular ones.

I'm thinking about picking this up for my PCT thru next year. I tried the XLite, instantly got 5+ holes on the first night of a 3-night trip and it really soured my perception of the pad. I ended up using it for 60 nights after I patched every hole, but I was using a groundsheet a lot of the time after that. Picked up the Exped Ultra 3R next and man that thing is durable, quiet, and comfortable. If you look at the Ultra 5R Mummy, it's only like 3oz heavier than the XLite and the durability and comfort of those vertical baffles seem to win out for me.

I have the Xped 5R... It's _very_ comfortable and warm (much much warmer than I would ever need if I didn't plan on going down below 5°c!). But it's a _little_ bit chunkier and heavier than I might like if I wasn't in need of the warmth. XLite is lighter and more compact, but significantly less comfortable IMHO, also very warm. Can't speak to the Nemo personally. My summer pad is the [Kilos Gear Aerocloud UL](https://kilosgear.com/products/aerocloud-sleeping-pad-ul) and I really rate it; comfortable, lightweight, compact, and honestly surprisingly warm still, never really even felt the cold until it got down below 0°c - & obvs _much_ cheaper than the other options you've listed. Comfort is a little bit of a personal preference based on your physique and sleep preferences; but I would certainly recommend the kilos gear pad. Sorry to give you even more options 😂

It is not worth it as long as you can sleep and truly rest on a closed cell foam pad. that is definitely a more reliable pad, but that is not something many of us could never do. just because of how uncomfortable it is and for the condition it might leave our body in after laying that way without support so long. I will say this, though my thermos Neo air has never had a reliability issue and I’ve probably used it 60 - 70 nights so far.

You know any of those is fine. So, just choose the cheapest. But, for what it’s worth, I’m a pro guide and me and my colleagues all use xlite. I like thermarest because I’ve used their air mattresses for 30 years and I think that Cascade Designs is more advanced with their R and D due to their longevity.

6’4’ 240 lb big boy here. I’m a pro guide and generally go out for a week at a time to Appalachian Trail, Grand Canyon, eastern Sierra. I have used a neoair xlite for the past 3 years and it has been really reliable. I guess I’ve had the opposite experience as you. I did order an Uber lite once but with my size I didn’t feel good about its durability although it was insanely compact and lightweight.

Once again it goes to backpacking style in large part. I hike often 20+ hrs before stopping although 10 min breaks are ok every 2 -3 hrs. I cowboy camp alone most times in privacy. I don't fk with a device before sleep although I may journal. I review what happened that day and evaluate the next in my mind or looking at a map. I stop, eat, and am asleep in 30 mins or less. I've no blaring health issues. I can sleep on a slab, bivy on a ledge, sleep on an old forest road, or find a spot in the desert or beach sand. I'm fking tired when I stop. Put on repeat. I do that for wks even months on a thru. I've learned to sleep on a 20" wide polycro ground sheet, 3/8" CCF or TR Xlite.

The Xtherm Max is probably what you actually want. As a fellow tall guy, this big square high r-value design is comfortable enough to warrant the weight penalty. You could do a long Xlite as well—it’s only one pound—and still have a massive improvement over the Klymit, which is not a great pad imo.

The weight savings looks nice compared to my Xlite with 3 pin holes in it, but I don't think I want to go from 30d to 10d..

> I'm close to getting a Thermarest Xtherm, which I probably will as it seems ideal to me, unless convinced otherwise. Good call. I vaguely prefer a torso-length CCF paired with a ThermaRest XLite to build in a bit of redundancy, but the XTherm has fantastic warmth for weight, and we don't hear about many issues. This is a sound choice for sure. Consider a wide. I don't mind "regular" width pads, even as a big guy, but people often find them shockingly small. Think seriously about the dimensions. For -10C, I'd strongly recommend a mummy bag, with a hood. Quilts are a great weight savings, but even a lot of experienced people prefer mummy bags as the temperature dips meaningfully below freezing. Where are you ordering to and what's the budget for the bag? (Tariffs and shipping will probably guide the selection process.)

XLite was extremely uncomfortable for me to the point where I just sleep on a CCF pad instead.

1) Patch your Xlite 2) If not working, buy a Nemo Switchback. Start with the full one and cut it down until you don't want to take anymore off. Enjoy a never popping pad. If too hard, double up for your torso

Foam pad is cheap and works well on snow, they insulate well. Only downside is bulk but it's doable. I've found a foam pad and a lightweight inflatable (I have the neoair xlite from therapist but there are many other options) to be a great combo - if it's really warm or I'm not on snow I ditch the foam to save space. But the foam adds warmth on snow, and it's a failsafe in case the inflatable pops or leaks. If you're on a really tight budget, you can just use a foam pad and nothing else. That's what I did my first season mountaineering in Washington. Got me through Mt Adams and the Ptarmigan Traverse just fine.

You should be good with the Neoair xlite. For your temps, it should be more than enough. If you plan on camping even colder, get the xtherm. The Xtherm is so warm it literally feels like im on a heated floor unless im directly on snow, even then it feels warm, its literally unusable in the summer.

These days, even the xlite is too comfortable to be considered ultralight. If your not using a torso length 1/8in, you should be kicked out of the sub.

My setup is a GG 1/8th (5 panels, cut off 2 and carry a sit pad) along with a thermarest Neo air xl - all in, right around $250. I’m an AT thru hiker and setting out with this gear on the pct in 2 weeks

2 things here, time of year is key, the other is age. even late spring, in the uplands in the UK you can get hyperthermia pretty easily without decent ground insulation. You mention student, so i'm guessing circa 17-22. You should be able to sleep on a roll mat just fine at thatt age with, esp after a day's hard PT in the outdoors. For this if you want to save money, forget amazon entirely and look at an army foam matt, or a thermarest one if want to buy from a regular shop. Both will keep you alive and insulated in all weathers. As for airpads, they are a liability. I know i've had most brands over the years and the reality is there is no cutting corners. Sure can get a cheap one from amazon, say trekology one of the better one's but know it will fail, and its not a question of if, but when. Note a non insulated airpad, you will have a very very uncomforable night, as in freezing. I've been all over, all different terrains and super remote, a hard foam matt will never fail and you should always carry one, even if you have a top of the range airmat, because without one, if the airpad fails your screwed. As for air pads themselves. My advice is having tried all leading brands, save up and get a thermorest neoair (avoid uber) and go for a xtherm if wanting winter, and the normal(yellow) one if 3 season. yes they are expensive but if they fail (which out of all the matt's ive had over the years are the most reliable) the customer service is second to none, you will get a replacement. So you can buy x number of cheap pads without any ability to get a replacement a year down the road, but over the seasons it adds up. So best advice, is save up a little, make home brew to save money lol, and buy once, but buy quality. The other thing is sleeping bags, and again that becomes very costly. If your young and thus should be fit and thus your not worrying about every gram, look no further than uk ex military surplus stock for sleeping systems/bags. They will last, are well proven and just work.

2 things here, time of year is key, the other is age. even late spring, in the uplands in the UK you can get hyperthermia pretty easily without decent ground insulation. You mention student, so i'm guessing circa 17-22. You should be able to sleep on a roll mat just fine at thatt age with, esp after a day's hard PT in the outdoors. For this if you want to save money, forget amazon entirely and look at an army foam matt, or a thermarest one if want to buy from a regular shop. Both will keep you alive and insulated in all weathers. As for airpads, they are a liability. I know i've had most brands over the years and the reality is there is no cutting corners. Sure can get a cheap one from amazon, say trekology one of the better one's but know it will fail, and its not a question of if, but when. Note a non insulated airpad, you will have a very very uncomforable night, as in freezing. I've been all over, all different terrains and super remote, a hard foam matt will never fail and you should always carry one, even if you have a top of the range airmat, because without one, if the airpad fails your screwed. As for air pads themselves. My advice is having tried all leading brands, save up and get a thermorest neoair (avoid uber) and go for a xtherm if wanting winter, and the normal(yellow) one if 3 season. yes they are expensive but if they fail (which out of all the matt's ive had over the years are the most reliable) the customer service is second to none, you will get a replacement. So you can buy x number of cheap pads without any ability to get a replacement a year down the road, but over the seasons it adds up. So best advice, is save up a little, make home brew to save money lol, and buy once, but buy quality. The other thing is sleeping bags, and again that becomes very costly. If your young and thus should be fit and thus your not worrying about every gram, look no further than uk ex military surplus stock for sleeping systems/bags. They will last, are well proven and just work.

The thermarest Neo air mats are lightweight and good quality, if a little pricey. MEC alternatives aren’t bad either. I prefer a foam/air mix pad and have been really happy with the one I have form Sea to Summit. If you want to be on the inexpensive side, look at Woods or Decathalon, but expect more weight.

If the Prolite works great for you, why not keep it and cut weight elsewhere? Pads are quite subjective, like recommending shoes. I agree it's a grail hunt, I've went through a bunch too! The Neoair is my go-to, the Exped Ultra is my favorite, and I can get by on a z-lite in warmer weather.

I have found and fixed a leak in my NeoAir, but I can't imagine finding the hole while on the trail.

I've 200+ nights on my NeoAir. I've patched a couple holes over that time, but it was easy to identify and fix them in the field. Cascade Designs, the parent company of thermarest, will replace your pad if there's a defect in it (I've warrantied an MSR tent with them). Thru hikers use inflatable pads and do just fine. Are you having this problem with multiple brands and models? Are you super heavy? Are you sleeping wearing anything that is metal? Maybe get a gossamer gear 1/8" foam pad and put it underneath your inflatable.

Then it’s a CCF pad for you. I’ve had no issues with reliability. I’ve owned an Uberlite and two Neoairs (NXT and non). But if something can break, it will eventually. I’d recommend babying it, in every way (site selection and clearing, handling, etc.).

6’4”, 220, although with a back that does not require repair. Most comfortable backpacking pad I tried is S2S Comfort Insulated Plus. Weight is awful - 2.5 lb - but the double chamber system is excellent at balancing protection from the ground and support vs having a softer top to rest on. Large rectangular size provides enough space, especially if you are a back sleeper. Outside of double chamber systems like that one, basically Thermarest NeoAir are the best of the bunch. Pricy but thick and performant. The popular S2S Etherlight is thicker, but also requires being inflated firmer which makes it overall meh unless you specifically want ultra-firm.

It has taken a few weeks on sleeping on my thermarest neoair to figure it out for consistent sleep: deflating so I’m only just off the ground, and ear plugs. That combo works for me for backpacking. Canoe camping I still prefer my self inflating tractor with a blue foam mat underneath for that little extra cushion!

Not a duo, but after trying a series of pads my partner (who is usually cold at night) loves her vectair, when comparing it to my Neo and her old self-inflating.

For solo? Assuming you don’t need a free standing tent, take a look at Mier Lanshan 1P on Amazon. It uses a trekking pole. I have like a 16 year old NeoAir pad which rolls up slightly smaller than a Nalgene. It’s kinda pricey but they still make them.

Exactly this! I also just switched from NeoAir to Exped for this reason after trying my partner's Exped. So much more comfortable although ever so slightly bigger/heavier.

This is subjective. For me, yes, an inflatable pad is worth it for better sleep quality. Foam pads just don't work for me. In your case, you report that you already sleep fine on a foam pad so why not just stick with it? Regarding durability of an inflatable, yes it's likely lower but you may be able to patch it and still worth it for sleep quality. I did get a leak in my NeoAir but I set up camp in a reasonable spot and was able to put my pack under it and it was ok. Patched it when I got home. The hot ticket item for me is actually the short Prolite. Very similar weight to my old NeoAir, bit more durable, adequate ground insulation, and still has a bit of foam. Takes up more space but still fits in my packs with usual loadouts.

I'm doubtful the exped is more durable than the neoair. Exped uses a 20D fabric vs a 30D for the neoair. Denier isn't everything but we can suppose both brands use good quality fabric. The neoair is one of the highest rated inflatable pad on the pct survey, it wouldn't be the case if they were constantly popping. I don't think you should ever use it on bare ground though.

I had a neoair and never had a good night sleep. I loved the packed size and weight, but I always felt like I was perched on it and would be thrown off if I wriggled. I also had one of the older, noisier ones so it sounded like a crisp packet. I now use a short prolite which is a combination of foam and air. I’m much closer to the floor and it all feels a lot more stable. This results in me managing to sleep for 8 hours on the trail which is priceless. It’s heavier and no pad under my feet so I put my bag under my feet on cold nights. But having a good night sleep after a long day on your feet is worth the extra weight.

I’m taking a neoair AND a RIDGEREST!!!!! Luxury baby! Base weight is still 11 pounds cuz of a few other luxuries but DO IT!

You've tested *all* of them? You find the Nemo more comfortable than an Etherlite XT? An REI Helix? An Exped? A Rapide SL? That doesn't compute for me. The Nemo is more comfy than a Neoair but well below all of those.

Slept on a ZLite on the AT and PCT, bought a NeoAir for the CDT and slept great on all of them. 10+ years later and I can’t even come close to a good nights sleep on a 25 inch wide pad with a decent pillow. Probably just need to hike more miles.

I had one of the first neo airs and I used on extended trips and for work. I also let my dogs walk all over it. I used it on rocks and twigs. It took like 10 years to get a hole.

I've been using the thermarest neos air ones since they were introduced.

Buy once cry once. Get a nemo Tensor all season or a Thermarest Neoair - you can find both used on ebay for less than rrp.

I’m a side sleeper and went from the Tensor to the Thermarest neo air. The tensor is crazy noisy and if you flip from side to side like I do it’ll wake you and anyone you sleep near up. It’s really loud to me. The Thermarest is way quieter, has a higher r value and I’ve been pretty comfortable side sleeping on it in a zenbivy quilt and sheet. Seems a bit counter intuitive, but sometimes I find that I’ve made it too firm after a few hours and I just reach up and let a bit of air out if I’m feeling any discomfort and go right back to sleep.

I know they are light but the neoair durability isn’t great. Also Cascade (thermarest) just moved from Seattle to Reno and I bet things are super disorganized still I opted for the Exped Ultra series. There’s a weight penalty but I find them much more comfortable, and Exped repairs pads for the cost of shipping to Tacoma.

Highly recommend a thermarest Neoair. I have the X-therm which is the highest R rating they do and is fantastic in winter but if your doing more fair weather they do lower R value ones and lighter weighted models. Expensive but completely worth the price. (Comfortable too) I'd recommend an R value between 2-4 for 2-3 season camping in the UK.

You obviously have not tried a NeoAir

I won’t say most but I would say a good majority use the thermo rest neo air. It varies in size but it’s a quality pad and I use it personally

Same. Bought NeoAir in 2016. Full AT thru, full PCT thru, a dozen other short trips. Still going strong!

I slept on a neoair it was uncomfortable and noisy I switched to a Nemo tensor not even in the same realm of comfort. I also have a sea to summit ether light xt and it's heavy but best pad comfort I have slept on.

Most of the negative reviews I’ve seen for the Rapide have been for the model that came out for 2024. I bought a used model for that reason, and so far so good, I’m sleeping much better than I did on my Thermarest Neoair. Taking it out next week for the first time with lows in the 30° range, fingers crossed. Also a side sleeper here.

Same here. When I did my life's biggest hike thus far, I was in my early 20's, very close to being underweight, and had zero injuries. Sleeping on a Z-Lite was a no-brainer, and I was comfortable on it. Now, I'm tickling the upper limit of the normal weight range, I have to arrange my legs in a certain way to avoid knee pain, have one shoulder prone for a nerve getting pinched, and one elbow that won't go straight. My Thermarest NeoAir enables me to get a decent night of sleep out there.

I was happy with a foam pad in my 20's, when I was almost underweight and had zero sports injuries. Nowadays, hovering at the top end of the normal weight BMI range, and with a couple of joints that need to be placed in a very delicate way to achieve a comfy position, I've got a Thermarest Neoair, a version warm enough for winter use but also perfectly comfortable during summer. I've pathced it once, and the patch has been sitting there for at least four years without a problem. I'm a side sleeper. I think if I could sleep on my back, I might still be using foam.

Another vote for the Thermarest NeoAir

I read quite a few reviews if the nemo Tensor that it fails/leaks, and that it's potato-chip bag loud! The pad noise is something I really hate, so I would have to touch this in store to check personally. I bought the NeoAir years ago based on the hype, but found that it's so ridiculously loud I can't use it!

Take them both 100%. The thinlight stops the neoair from moving/ sliding around, or sharp sticks puncturing it. Thinlight is great back up if neo air pops. It’s so light, it does double duty for stretching, fast breaks, extra backing in frameless pack. Take it!( I’ve many with it on the PCT)

For me it really depends what I'm doing and where I'll be sleeping. If I'm sleeping on relatively flat, manicured ground or snow I bring my inflatable Neoair, it's smaller, lighter and warmer. If however I might end up on rocky ground or am climbing something where a bivy isn't intended, but is a possibility I bring my z-lite as I can use it anywhere. So ultimately I'd recommend buying both if you intend to be sleeping on both rocky ground and snow.

It’s like a gamble. For me I’ve been using a NeoAir for a 2000 mile thru hike plus another 500 miles since than with no . Maybe mine was made on a Wednesday. Never buy a pad made on a Monday or Friday.

The Thermarest NeoAir is indeed lighter. At just 12 ounces the semi-mummy arguably the best quality sleeping pad in this range and weight. But it's also not cheap. The NeoAir Xtherm is the cold weather version, R 7.4, and 16 oz. The Nemo Tensor Extreme is rectangle, R 8.1, and 18 oz. Both the Thermarest and Nemos are quieter than they were in the past. Also, the more you use them, the more quiet they get. Agree the Thermarest pump sack is the worst of the bunch, no question, but I've gotten mine to work enough. The Rapide is usually warm enough for most people 3 seasons, and the reason to buy it is indeed it's thickness, and the sides being raised. Agree the Exped 5R is good for most people. It's a simple, comfortable, rectangle. R 4.8, and 1lb 4 oz. That's certainly heavier than the Thermarest but $50 cheaper.

I'm a side sleeper with hip pain at times and I prefer a CCF Nemo Switchback for sleep. I am planning on selling my barely used NeoAir Thermarest inflatable bc it always makes back and hip issues worse. Then again I'm someone who prefers to sleep on the floor over a bed bc it feels way better on my back. Good luck in your search!

I weigh around 170 and have had my current pad (a Therm-a-rest NeoAir) for over 10 years and it's still going strong. I use it roughly 30 nights per year. I roll it up, no stuff sack, and carry it in my pack. I sleep in a tent so my pad doesn't have direct ground contact when I'm sleeping, but I frequently take it out of the tent and put it on the ground so I can relax outside.

I have a neo air - cost a bomb when I got it about ten years ago. Definitely worth it - warm and comfy! Before that I "borrowed" my auntie's thermarest back in 2003 - that was a few years old then. I think I only made one repair.

I have a light weight thermarest neoair. Super small packed up. But thinking is there a just slightly wider version. I've used i a lot for a long time doing races but.... maybe more comfort is due. My arms fall off when on my back.

I've had a neo air and it's light but noisy when turning. Just got a big Agnes (can't remember the model but the widest single insulated) and it's comfy and quieter when turning. Certainly heavier than the neoair though

My Thermarest neoair doesn’t state in the instructions that you can’t inflate by mouth and I always have with no negative effects. There is a video online that provides empirical evidence debunking the belief that mouth inflation adversely affects sleeping pads

I used self inflating Thermarest pads for years, granted they were older models, but the NeoAir is much more comfortable for me as a side sleeper. Have you tried inflating it less? Sounds like you may have too much air in it

If you’re camped on a slope, layering the neo-air over the foam pad keeps it from slipping downhill. Plus it makes a great ass pad during the day.

Both times I’ve hiked the PCT my thermarests have popped in the desert . The first time it was an older thermarest that had already seen a bit of action . The second time it was early on in my hike and it was the one I’d replaced the previous one with! After that I went CCF pad and was absolutely fine with it. In many ways, I prefer it.

For a rainy bikepacking trip, definitely go for a lightweight, waterproof tent like MSR or Big Agnes. A synthetic sleeping bag and an inflatable sleeping pad like Therm-a-Rest will keep you dry and comfortable. You’ll be good to go with that setup!

The suggestion of a rental is a good idea if you currently aren’t interested in making this a hobby! If you are looking to buy, however, the foam Therm-o-Rest pads are the classic camping pad that everyone owns one of. They z-fold up into a rectangular stack and are relatively light and cheap. I’m 40 and need a little extra cushion on the trail these days, so I use an air mattress. Therm-o-rest has some decent priced air mattresses, but they are a little spartan compared to some of the more expensive air mattresses.

For me the thermarest warranty has been worth its weight in gold, it’s an inflatable product that’s exposed to the elements, they’ll all get damaged eventually but every interaction I’ve had with them has been amazing, no questions asked replacement or repair

Yeah my first was thermarest. Didn’t like. I do enjoy my Nemo tensor and I just ordered a switchback closed foam from Nemo now! Are you a side sleeper??