Z Lite Original

We have the original Z-Rest and ultralight Z-Rest that we still keep for car camping. They work great and are very lightweight, just bulky. The price is right. I hear of people putting these under the tent but above the footprint. Keeps sticks, thorns and rocks from poking through your tent.

We have the original Z-Rest and ultralight Z-Rest that we still keep for car camping. They work great and are very lightweight, just bulky. The price is right. I hear of people putting these under the tent but above the footprint. Keeps sticks, thorns and rocks from poking through your tent.

Id give them a try for that price they look like they would be decent. But idk if that would keep u warm enough on a cold upstate ny trip, i have a thicker insulated thermorest that was made for cold i always pair with my foam pad never tried just the foam pad alone in cold but my foam pad is the brown thermarest without the silver side i got for hot summer nights and for under my other inflatable one. It also would depend on what u call cold. Fall u would probably be fine, snow/winter u may need and insulated inflatable too. But idk, i'd grab a couple for that price and test them out on a cold night before going and see.

the Walmart one is fine unless you're trying to stay away from bright colored/reflective gear in which case the original(non SOL) Z-lite is your only real option

it's still bright blue/yellow

yeah, I'm talking about the opposite side

thermarest makes the zlite (non-sol) that comes in coyote and grey, also the usmc issues a flat(non-egg crate style) thermarest pad that can be had for very cheap if you live somewhere that has us milsurp. wrt sleeping bags, plenty of mto manufacturers have more subdued colors, coyote is pretty common, some places have camos, others will probably work with you if you message them and are prepared to pay, i dont know much about ir safety in this context though. nunatakusa, warbonnet outdoors, and timmermade are a few examples of this, though if yr really going to be roughing it timmermade prolly isnt the best choice lol

Hear, hear! Sleeping on ccf had me almost quit hiking in my twenties. Than there was the first thermarest. It made the nights just doable, with extra cloth (still had them in those days) stuffed under the waist and knee area. It has got so much better since with a big choice of insulated air matrasses that hardly weight more than foam. Definitely give ccf a try, its great if it works for you, but it is not for everyone.

I got the most basic pad working trail crew in 2008 o 09 and still have it today. Its rips & holes from cactus, ice axes, ski edges, and been slammed in a trunk a few times. Still works like a champ. It was $15.