DRAGON

Dragon is awesome with the 12s. If the is so not in your budget, new shockwave wireless! The Sony is supposed to have superior atmos capabilities, but Sony subwoofers don’t hold up to the competition.

Dragon 11.4.6 with 12s>shockwave wireless 11.2.6>everything else

Yeah, probably not! This system is lacking surrounds and subwoofers. 5.1.2? You know my dragon has 4 subs? Two of them weigh 90lbs each! It provides a real gut punch that none of the others can ever come close to! Thanks for playing! Edit: dragon gets louder with an output of 115db vs 105 for the contender!!

I guess until you get surrounds, it’s not even close! If you want comparisons, the unit isn’t there yet. The thing is, the subwoofers that are offered by nak are in a different class than cheaper alternatives! It is what it is…as it is…my dragon crushes!!! Me thinks you would agree if you attended a movie night at my house. When dragon goes on sale, the kef isn’t a thought at all! For $2499, you could have the full dragons with 8s. Not a comparison until you can actually do 11.2.6 with the kef. Seems like that isn’t happening till later, not a competitor.

The others don’t compare to Dragon running 12s. The guy that said the soundstage was weakest is full of shit. I don’t know how you call 115db from a sound system weak… lol Since dragon has received the firmware update with the ultra atmos calibration, there really isn’t much that competes with dragon until you get separates which kinda defeats the home theater in a box quest.

Dragon received a firmware update that fixes these issues. Add the 12” subs and nothing compares in that price point. Nothing but chest rattling bass with supreme atmos effects.

lol…. That doesn’t even close the gap! The soundbar and surrounds are 1/2 as loud. You might make up for the lows with the Svs, but you’re still not getting close to dragon with this setup. What else you have in mind?

Nice, I’m assuming you haven’t heard Dragon with the latest firmware and the 2 12” sub combo? Until you hear it yourself, you really don’t know, do you? Do yourself a favor and listen to it. You’ll find with some simple setup, you don’t need the calibrating software. It makes it easier, but are you saying it’s too hard to pull out a 25’ tape measure? Every time someone says Dragon is brash, that tells me that that reviewer wasn’t smart enough to turn the DSP off. lol You say loud doesn’t matter, well I say a solid, clear 115db of volume isn’t something that anything you’ve recommended can produce. There is simply nothing like this level of sound and nothing compares. If you have half a brain cell, you can tune Dragon to your liking. To think you can’t kinda makes your hatred for the system rather obvious. Cheers

Yeah, Dragon destroys all of these competitors!

Dragon is the answer at 58”. It’ll easily fill your room with volume and SPLs!

There are better soundbars out there, just depends on what you want to spend. I have Nakamichi Dragon with two 8” subs and two 12” subs. The house shakes, your chest rumbles, lo and behold, this ain’t the soundbar you thought it was!!!

You’d be surprised at the music modes. There is a studio mode that makes the whole bar into two channels and there is an all channel stereo mode. Works great! There are some with the money for Nak that don’t want all the wiring hassle as well. This is what the soundbar was made for and it rocks! 115 db of crystal clear sound!

I just bought the 8inch dragon set from best buy and one single 12 inch add on sub on ebay from the source grade A I think this should be great and it was all still cheaper than the normal price of just the system

If money really is no object, the Nakamichi Dragon Quad costs $7K and is the best on the market. For less money, the less expensive Nakamichis are still the best on the market. I have a Shockwafe 9.2earc on one TV and a Shockwafe 7.2 earc on another TV. I've been through more soundbars than I can remember and the Nakamichis are the only ones that I've kept. Better than Vizio, Samsung, and a million others I tried.

Are those the only options? And what do you plan to use it for? Movies? Music? Regular TV? Gaming? If you have the money, the Nakamichi Dragon with four subs is probably the best soundbar you can get. It's expensive as hell though. The Nakamichi Shockwafe Wireless is a great more affordable option. If you like Klipsch, for full surround if you're going to be watching movies, the Flexus Core 300 plus a couple of the matching subs would be awesome. The Sony you mentioned is just OK.

Not true. Their newer soundbars are excellent. I have two different Shockwafe eARC models and they are a lot better than pretty much all comparable systems from Samsung, LG, Vizio, TCL, and a bunch of others I've been through. I bought and returned probably 7 or 8 soundbars including the highly rated Samsung 990. The only ones I didn't return are the Vizio M512a-h6 which I kept because they were the best out of that bunch. All the rest of them were pieces of crap. Eventually I upgraded from the Vizios to the Nakamichis and never looked back. I still have the Vizios stored in a closet just in case. The most recent ones like the Dragon and the Shockwafe Wireless are incredible. That said, sure, a well matched system of AVR and separate speakers can sound better but they are also more expensive and not always physically possible to place in some rooms.

I saw your first post about the DRAGON with 12s. I love mine and can't believe Nak managed to make the system sound even better? Will upgrade and try this on my system over the weekend

I have the DRAGON at home, and compared it to the Q990D in stores a year back. The DRAGON is a literal beast when it comes to movies. The Q990D is a good product but lacks the fidelity and power especially at louder volumes. With DRAGON, the voices of every actor is so clear. Can thank the AMT tweeters for that. The 990F only improves on the bass response of the Q990D, but its still a 4 sub vs 2 subwoofer situation. Pretty sure the DRAGON will still beat it.

Nakamichi Dragon is the best right now but I dont have 4000 dollars for that. But yes I had the Q990D and currently have the Q990F and is great.

I’m guessing you maybe bought it by now or decided not to. I have the dragon with 2-12” subs. I haven’t heard the dual opposing 8” subs. IMO, it’s amazing. I’m about to update the firmware to get the ULTRA AHD which supposedly makes a big difference. But anyway, I’m no sound engineer but for me, i dig it. Most the audiophiles out there will steer you away and tell you to build a home theater system with separate components and also say it’s Way over priced. The dragon is plug and play. No wires to run, and to me, it sounds incredible. The center bar sounds so crisp, the 2-12’s get you that bass you want and the rears for sure immerse you more than most rears that come with sound bars. Get what you want man, I’m happy with the dragon I just hope it lasts

Nakamichi Dragon. Best soundbar by far if you want big sound in a small footprint.